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Post by Reznore on Sept 22, 2024 16:52:26 GMT
Another day, another thing we don't know enough about to hyperventilate over. The post-content creator hands-on afterglow going as well as I expected. The writing was on the wall when the content creators said they were specifically forbidden from talking about this
If there's more to it then Bioware may want to correct the record very quickly
Yeah during promo DAI the devs avoided talking about tactics. People kept asking about it and they ignored it. You knew something was off, and yeah tactics got really basics in DAI.
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Post by jennica on Sept 22, 2024 16:55:38 GMT
I'm also disappointed that so little are getting imported, but it doesn't mean that Inquisitiors involvement will be almost non existent. I mean, i don't think it will be big, because they're not main character anymore, but i at least expect it to be like Hawke.
What i find interesting tho is that since we can specify our LI, it means that Inky will at the very least talk about them like Hawke did in DAI. However, Cassandra can be made a Divine and i can't imagine that inquisitor won't mention it.
From what I saw before you get to the Inquisition screen, during normal CC you got a button and little blurb about the "import", basically it says it's minor choices that will have a minor impact on DATV and it's entirely skippable. Inquisitor is in the game pretty much because of Solas. And i expect that their involvement will also relate to Solas and nothing else. In that sense it doesn't really matter what choices you made in DAI, aside from Inky's relationship with him. I actually have no idea. I never romanced her and made her Divine at the same time. But even if she does, you will still be able to pick her as your Li in DAVe, even if Inquisitor who romanced her also made her Divine, because there is no way to indicate in CC who Divine even is. Personally, i think that they will let us "play" as Inquisitor during some converstions and maybe we will specify a few other things.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:00:00 GMT
Are you really sure that is all and that this is not just a template so that we can see what it looks like? From what i recall they don't say one question in the q&a.
The game is basically long finished and this is to 99,99% the released version. Sure i have a very good idea why they won´t talk about this because compared to previous games this is very disappointing.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 17:04:10 GMT
Another day, another thing we don't know enough about to hyperventilate over. The post-content creator hands-on afterglow going as well as I expected. The writing was on the wall when the content creators said they were specifically forbidden from talking about this
If there's more to it then Bioware may want to correct the record very quickly
Sorry but you'll have to wait in line, QunariDifferentAgainGate, ForeheadGate, PronounsGate, TopSurgeryScarsGate, AssSizeGate, HeadSizeGate, and AVoiceActorDoesntKnowWhoZevranWasGate are first.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 22, 2024 17:04:15 GMT
Are you really sure that is all and that this is not just a template so that we can see what it looks like? From what i recall they don't say one question in the q&a.
The game is basically long finished and this is to 99,99% the released version. Sure i have a very good idea why they won´t talk about this because compared to previous games this is very disappointing.
The content created have sayed they don't have the permission to show everything and kala said as she show picture numbere 1 Bioware have allowed her to show only this picture. Why only show this picture, if the rest is only one question? I think they aren't allowed to show the rest because of spoiler. So this is all we get to see at the moment. So can you please show where they said this is all or stop saying something that isn't comfirmed.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 22, 2024 17:11:16 GMT
Inquisitor is in the game pretty much because of Solas. And i expect that their involvement will also relate to Solas and nothing else. In that sense it doesn't really matter what choices you made in DAI, aside from Inky's relationship with him. I actually have no idea. I never romanced her and made her Divine at the same time. But even if she does, you will still be able to pick her as your Li in DAVe, even if Inquisitor who romanced her also made her Divine, because there is no way to indicate in CC who Divine even is. Personally, i think that they will let us "play" as Inquisitor during some converstions and maybe we will specify a few other things.
I've just checked and you can romance a divine Cass. But honeslty the way I see it the only real thing the dev want to know if if Inky romanced Solas. Probably slipping a "my love was true vhenan/kissy face" before Rook skin Solas alive. Or whatever it is other folks wants to do with Solas. Then how Inky will react or try to influence Rook when it comes to Solas with the redeem/strangle angle. The disbanded Inquisition I have no idea. Scout Harding is still seen as part of the Inquisition faction in game...so ???
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 17:12:38 GMT
Seriously though, if BW comes out and says more about the new "Keep replacement" situation I would be very happy. It's just that this is a lot of jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst based on an incomplete picture (literally and figuratively). It's a lot of agita over a lack of evidence, and there could be a myriad of non-shitty reasons for why they wouldn't want to show what decisions will matter pre-release. We're also not taking into account that we might be able to choose things in in-game dialogue so that the game doesn't tip its hand about its plot or (if any) returning characters. We just don't know yet.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:13:59 GMT
The game is basically long finished and this is to 99,99% the released version. Sure i have a very good idea why they won´t talk about this because compared to previous games this is very disappointing.
The content created have sayed they don't have the permission to show everything and kala said as she show picture numbere 1 Bioware have allowed her to show only this picture. Why only show this picture, if the rest is only one question? I think they aren't allowed to show the rest because of spoiler. So this is all we get to see at the moment. So can you please show where they said this is all or stop saying something that isn't comfirmed.
Why on earth do you need an official confirmation? No i don´t have one nor do i know why those screenshots are a thing. But this doesn´t matter because this screen shows the final one plus the end summary of the DAI choices.
But believe what you will and wait for the offical confirmation this won´t change anything. Those on the right plus who Inky is are our DAI import choices.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 17:16:05 GMT
Bull and Blackwall are quantum (they may be dead) and BioWare avoids quantum characters.
I can't remember if Cullen is quantum, but there are other reasons.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 17:17:34 GMT
There was people having anxiety attacks over this for days elsewhere and I find it weird.
Trespasser ending slides unified most of the choices in DAI already and a lots of that stuff was never going to be relevant to the game since we don't go to Orlais/Ferelden and the games don't expose much outside the place we actually visit in-game. And then we have that choices/ending slides have been ignored since Awakening anyway...
Also, why would Morrigan start to talk about her ~20 years old adult to a complete stranger?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:18:53 GMT
It's just that this is a lot of jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst based on an incomplete picture (literally and figuratively). It's a lot of agita over a lack of evidence, and there could be a myriad of non-shitty reasons for why they wouldn't want to show what decisions will matter pre-release. We're also not taking into account that we might be able to choose things in in-game dialogue so that the game doesn't tip its hand about its plot or (if any) returning characters. We just don't know yet. Sure we don´t know what more do you possible need than those screenshots especially the one with final summary and listing of the choices?
That´s all we are getting for Inquisition. DAO and DA2 we don´t know but it would be shocking if those games are getting more choices than DAI.
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 22, 2024 17:21:18 GMT
I'm confused...are people really fretting over two images (one where the Inquisitor choices are not put yet, and the second page (over four/five) of the "tapestry"? What's with this jumping to conclusions over nothing? Is a new sport?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:22:45 GMT
Bull and Blackwall are quantum (they may be dead) and BioWare avoids quantum characters. I can't remember if Cullen is quantum, but there are other reasons. Cullen is also one if he takes the Lyrium. And come on sure i get that Bioware prefer to use non quantum characters but previous games (excluding Mass- Effect Andromeda) also had quantum characters. 3-5 quantum characters won´t hurt and would make each player world state more unique.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 17:23:15 GMT
What's with this jumping to conclusions over nothing? Is a new sport? Panicking over incomplete info before a game is released is a classic (old and new) BSN past time.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:27:50 GMT
I'm confused...are people really fretting over two images (one where the Inquisitor choices are not put yet, and the second page (over four/five) of the "tapestry"? What's with this jumping to conclusions over nothing? Is a new sport? Again what more do you could possible need? We have 5 pages for Inquisitor. The first one is who he / she is. The second is who the possible romance is and the fifth is final one with end summary on the right. And because of the fifth we do know what the third Fate of the Inquisition and what the fourth what Inky wants to do with Solas.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 22, 2024 17:32:44 GMT
There was people having anxiety attacks over this for days elsewhere and I find it weird. Trespasser ending slides unified most of the choices in DAI already and a lots of that stuff was never going to be relevant to the game since we don't go to Orlais/Ferelden and the games don't expose much outside the place we actually visit in-game. And then we have that choices/ending slides have been ignored since Awakening anyway... Also, why would Morrigan start to talk about her ~20 years old adult to a complete stranger? Because some player had a babie with her and wants to hear about their son. Rook thought doesn't give a damn. I'm not disappointed DAI was bloated with import choices/past comic/novel blablabla...dialogues. Varric talks about all Hawke and friends to an Inky who has little reason to give a crap. Beyond the explosion in Kirkwall. You hear about the hero of Ferelden finding a cure. Kieran is there to be made unspecial so you can get rid of him storywise. Cole talks at lengths about Rhys and her girlfriend, folks in a book you never meet in game. Hawke shows up because "Corypheus is mine! " but got to be rid like a hot potato dropped in the fade or fed exed to Weisshaupt where there was no Cory to be found. King Alistair shows up 5 scd to say how disappointed he is in his mom, he doesn't even know is his mom. Npcs at Haven will talk about Ferelden just to point out what the HOF did. I knew what they did because I picked those choices! Murdered Leliana sew her head back on to appear in DA2/DAI and got a weird epilogue about a "lyrium ghost"?!! Like it's fun on paper the whole import system, with DA being what it is, a new hero each time, it's just kind of wonky.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 17:34:09 GMT
I didn't see tabs 3 & 4. Are those known?
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Post by lk13 on Sept 22, 2024 17:36:24 GMT
There was people having anxiety attacks over this for days elsewhere and I find it weird. Trespasser ending slides unified most of the choices in DAI already and a lots of that stuff was never going to be relevant to the game since we don't go to Orlais/Ferelden and the games don't expose much outside the place we actually visit in-game. And then we have that choices/ending slides have been ignored since Awakening anyway... Also, why would Morrigan start to talk about her ~20 years old adult to a complete stranger? Yeah, I thought that people (at least here) had realized it before the game was even officially announced? Like, we knew which decisions would be reflected since we move to the northern part of Thedas (I also was doubtful the Keep would be reused again after such a long time and time proved me right, which is kinda both a good and bad thing imho).
The only two decisions that I'd add to the list are: "Is the Warden alive?" and "Who's the current Divine?" in case there's some dialogue reference to them. Maybe "Did the Inquisitor or Morrigan drink from the Well of Sorrows?" even though I doubt they would seriously consider the "Inquisitor possessed by Mythal" possibility in game after the whole "A soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling" scene
Somewhat related: I don't know if people would like this, but I'd love if DA (or ME too) used "on the fly" dialogue options to reflect some aspect of the worldstate rather than have a general list at the start of it. Not all of course (you can't expect Rook to know whether the Inquisitor secretly wants to redeem\stop Solas at all cost) but some "generally known" stuff like who's the Divine or whether the Inquisition is disbanded or still technically "alive".
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:36:54 GMT
I didn't see tabs 3 & 4. Are those known? No but we don´t need them. Look pic 5 on the right which had in this order DAI romance (2), fate of the Inquisitor (therefore has to be 3) and what Inky does regarding Solas (aka 4)
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 22, 2024 17:43:07 GMT
Edit: By the way this confirmes that we won´t see Blackwall, Cullen and the Iron Bull in the games because there aren´t any options for those. To be fair Cullen and Bull won´t have returned because of the drama with their english voice actors.
They are in the options, though. I suspect they just had to draw the line somewhere in regards to what could be referenced in game. Ie. Some Origins and DAI characters could just be dead, like Iron Bull, Blackwall and Cullen respectively, but they are options for the imported Inquisitor to have romanced. Also, how old is Kieran around the time Veilguard takes place? If he's in his early twenties, there's very little reason for him to hang onto Morrigan's apron strings.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 17:49:24 GMT
Bull and Blackwall are quantum (they may be dead) and BioWare avoids quantum characters. The not quantum inner circles characters by the end of Trespasser are: - Varric, alway become Viscount of Kirkwall - Solas. - Dorian, he always shows up in Trespasser regardless of base game choice, always become Magister - Josephine, she always return to Antiva to take over the family business And then you have Cassandra, all her endings have a vague timeframe ("for a time/several years") and she shows up in her base outfit in Trespasser post-ending cutscene even if made Divine (which is seen as a bug, but might not be). She could be anywhere doing anything after 10 years.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:50:30 GMT
Like it's fun on paper the whole import system, with DA being what it is, a new hero each time, it's just kind of wonky. You don´t like it and that´s fair but i am pretty sure you are opinion about this topic is one most players and fandom would agree. I like the Bioware Import choice system because this would make my personal time with them more unique.
Do i want that most of the previous choices and their outcome should carry over? Of course not because the majority doesn´t make sense for the time and places Veilguard is. But Morrigan mentions her son without any personal details to a stranger like Rook or even Harding i don´t see any problem.
Same goes for the big antivan crow part of this game that Zevran and his rebellion should be mentioned in one or two dialogues if he survived DAO.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 22, 2024 17:53:39 GMT
I believe this is it. One dev was asked about the who is left behind in the fade, and they said it wasn't a choice available in the import function. So Hawke being alive or dead doesn't matter. Expect the same for the HOF.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 17:56:02 GMT
They are in the options, though. No they aren´t. The option is if they are Inkys romances and not their actual fate. Of course we won´t see him in Veilguard but that´s the point. Morrigan should acknowledge in 1 or 2 dialogues that she has a son if Kieran exists of course. Same goes for Zevran no i don´t think that we would see him because of the heavy focus of Lucanis and the inner circle of the crows but this shouldn´t rule out that he isn´t mentioned a few times. So Hawke being alive or dead doesn't matter. Expect the same for the HOF. Most people are fine that those aren´t coming back but they should be mentioned. For example what happened to the warden if he and Morrigan are a couple or Varric could mention that Hawke is the new Viscomte of Kirkwall or something like that.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 22, 2024 18:00:20 GMT
Are people not seeing the Past Adventures part of it? There's like a circle in the middle of it. To me, it suggests you can scroll through them.
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