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Post by lk13 on Sept 22, 2024 18:02:17 GMT
We're also not taking into account that we might be able to choose things in in-game dialogue so that the game doesn't tip its hand about its plot or (if any) returning characters. We just don't know yet. I'd love it if they did this, but BW in general has never been too keen on it. They've always preferred to show the entire worldstate before the game starts. The only exception, I think, is Mass Effect 2 (the classic version), where you choose your councilor and who died on Virmire during the shuttle ride with Miranda and Jacob (or in the Genesis comic before that). Maaybe something similar in ME3 Classic? I don't remember
They never tried to do this in DA, but I wish they did though! I think it'd help ease the import process if you could deal with smaller\less relevant decision through dialogue options that pop up in opportune moments rather than having them part of a "general list" to be loaded before the game starts.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Sept 22, 2024 18:03:34 GMT
That's what I was expecting. The blurb before hands said it was minor and you could skip it cos it will have little impact on the overall story. So Inky is just showing up to show up, solve whatever they say they would be doing at the end of Trespasser and poof bye. I still hope they will have a bigger role plot-wise. Not just a cameo. Perhaps what we can customize (appearance, romance, major decisions) is indeed minor influence narrative wise- it will just impact dialogues. But theinvovlement of Inq stays the same. IDK, it just seems to me a missed opportunity not to leverage Inq as part of main plot: they have connection to Solas and part of current veilguard; they fought a would-be-god before and win the biggest conflict in Thedas in last decade; they had the anchor (I personally theorise this will be neat to bring back. It's stated that anchor is part of them in DAI, while Solas removed (took for himself? destroyed?) it at the end of Trespasser, Inq still could have a connection to the veil/Fade that DAV antagonists could use to breach prison and free the rest of evanuris). Regardless if Inquisition remains as organisation or no, Inq is a powerful asset to have in fight against Ghil and Elgar'nan.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Sept 22, 2024 18:05:08 GMT
As for the number of choices that matter - I'm only surprised the Well of Sorrows isn't relevant. The rest doesn't really matter, considering part of Thedas we are located in DAV.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Sept 22, 2024 18:06:45 GMT
That's what I was expecting. The blurb before hands said it was minor and you could skip it cos it will have little impact on the overall story. So Inky is just showing up to show up, solve whatever they say they would be doing at the end of Trespasser and poof bye. Also i doubt that the Inquisitor will add Rook in combat like Hawke because there isn´t a mention of the class.
It's killing me noone has leaked Solas's description yet. Come on, just move down and right and lemme seee BTW, we definitely customize class. Default state mentioned Iqn as "hunter". I think one of the pages has a class edit too
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 18:07:26 GMT
There was people having anxiety attacks over this for days elsewhere and I find it weird. Trespasser ending slides unified most of the choices in DAI already and a lots of that stuff was never going to be relevant to the game since we don't go to Orlais/Ferelden and the games don't expose much outside the place we actually visit in-game. And then we have that choices/ending slides have been ignored since Awakening anyway... Also, why would Morrigan start to talk about her ~20 years old adult to a complete stranger? Yeah, I thought that people (at least here) had realized it before the game was even officially announced? Like, we knew which decisions would be reflected since we move to the northern part of Thedas (I also was doubtful the Keep would be reused again after such a long time and time proved me right, which is kinda both a good and bad thing imho). The only two decisions that I'd add to the list are: "Is the Warden alive?" and "Who's the current Divine?" in case there's some dialogue reference to them. Maybe "Did the Inquisitor or Morrigan drink from the Well of Sorrows?" even though I doubt they would seriously consider the "Inquisitor possessed by Mythal" possibility in game after the whole "A soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling" scene
Most people away from the politics of Orlais are probably not very knowleable about who is the Divine beside her being Divine Victoria and Tevinter doesn't acknowledge the Orlesian Divine anyway. The HoF is probably dead after 20 years. And it very much looks like the Well of Sorrows choice won't impact anything. Their could a be a lots of reasons for that and we might even get a hint as to why in-game.
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Post by merane on Sept 22, 2024 18:13:04 GMT
I would have preferred to have more options because if the game takes place in the north of Thedas, events like a war between mages and templars, the death of the Divine, ... must have been noticed and commented. Especially since the game does not only concern Tevinter but also countries like Nevarra that are close to the south. I want to clarify that I am not asking for cameos or even dialogues, especially since Rook has no interest in asking in-depth questions about the details of the life of the HoF / Hawke or Morrigan talking about her child and her love life to a Rook. I understand that they cannot take into account all the choices of the players for the following games and I am fine with that. I am not asking for that. But we could just have codex to read. It seems to me to be a good reward for players and fans who have been assiduous for fifteen years and who have created all these stories about their heroes and their Thedas. Likewise if they were able to bring back Leliana who can die, in addition to not being recruited, they can bring back anyone. After that I'm not asking to bring back characters just to please, in mode " hello, it's me, I've been doing this for the last ten years, cool to see you, bye". But for example bringing back Zevran - who is the only LI from Origin not to have had a satisfied cameo - can be justified by the fact that we go to Antiva, meet the Crow, and be present in the quests. And like in Mass Effect, we can have a replacement character. I want to point out that television has also sometimes brought back old characters like in Doctor Who. The current series has brought back quite a few characters from the old series and yet many viewers have never watched the original series. Oh the voice actor stories, it's just a cheap excuse. If many TV series can change their actors for a character because they have problems with the current actor, we can do it for a video game. Iron Bull romance. Unromanced Inquisitor.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 22, 2024 18:17:07 GMT
They are in the options, though. No they aren´t. The option is if they are Inkys romances and not their actual fate. I feel like we're not actually talking about the same thing.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 22, 2024 18:23:30 GMT
Oh but Inky's replacement arm looks dope, wanna bet Dagna did that?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 18:33:47 GMT
As for the number of choices that matter - I'm only surprised the Well of Sorrows isn't relevant. The rest doesn't really matter, considering part of Thedas we are located in DAV. Ok what Inquisition choices are in my opinion missing?
1. Ok for the Inky which class and specialization he / she is? 2. Are Dorian & Inky friends or not? 3. Is Varric & Inky friends or not? 4. Fate of Blackwall (aka more if he is a grey warden or not?) 5. Fate of the Iron Bull?
6. Is Cassandra rebuilding the Seekers? 7. Is Cole are Spirit or Human? 8. Does Inky saw him / herself being chosen by Andraste? 9. Not sure if this is relevant for 9:54 Dragon but Mages or Templars been recruited? 10. Fate of the orlaisian Wardens?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 22, 2024 18:43:21 GMT
Yeah few choices seem conspicuous by their absence which is why I'd rather they go big or go home but ultimately no big deal.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 18:43:31 GMT
Likewise if they were able to bring back Leliana who can die, in addition to not being recruited, they can bring back anyone. After that I'm not asking to bring back characters just to please, in mode " hello, it's me, I've been doing this for the last ten years, cool to see you, bye". But for example bringing back Zevran - who is the only LI from Origin not to have had a satisfied cameo - can be justified by the fact that we go to Antiva, meet the Crow, and be present in the quests. And like in Mass Effect, we can have a replacement character. I won´t mind if they recton Sten and make him for all player world states the new Arishok because it would be easy to explain that someone else let him out of this cage and between Origins and Veilguard is possible that he find his sword by himself. Shale can we really kill a Golem? And Merrill yeah i could die but how many players have even killed her? If i remember correctly you need Anders on full rival plus not killing and go the Templar route. And maybe a few other things my point is not many people have killed Merrill so a retcon won´t be huge issue.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 18:51:44 GMT
Shale can we really kill a Golem? They don't actually have the power to heal themselves. So either it's stones laying on the ground with a soul bound to it or the soul gets free once you trash it enough.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 18:56:01 GMT
So either it's stones laying on the ground with a soul bound to it In this case there would be no good reason against a retcon. Some mage resurrected Shale or something like that if Bioware would ever consider to bring Shale back in any form which i to be fair doubt after David Gaider left Bioware.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 22, 2024 19:43:57 GMT
My main interest is the prosthetic arm/hand of the Inquisitor. What is it made from? Can they move their fingers? Is there a sense of touch? Hopefully we get more choices in the full game. Also RIP pajamas.
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Post by yarus on Sept 22, 2024 20:32:02 GMT
No Well, no Kieran, nothing about the Wardens decision even though we're going to Weisshaupt, not even a mention of who the Divine is. It really is just going to be "the Divine, the Orlesian crown, the Ferelden crown" They had 10 years. What are the excuses? These are wild levels of dropping the ball. I hope their attempts to pander to the Fortnite crowd was worth it. I was never expecting some cinematic, voice acted cameos - but the idea that they couldn't even bother to write slightly divergent codex entries to account for minor choices is insane. I hope Bioware/EA laying off all of their good employees *snip* was worth it. I hope the 10 years worth of Weekend at Bernie-ying this game while they go from self inflicted L to self inflected L (Anthem, Andromeda, etc) was worth it.
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Post by yarus on Sept 22, 2024 20:34:29 GMT
AVoiceActorDoesntKnowWhoZevranWasGate Wait what now?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 22, 2024 20:57:41 GMT
Sorry for the clickbaiting Threadtitle but in my opinion the Inquisition choices aka the Keep replacement is very disappointing. Is anyone else noticing something very, very wrong with this image? It says they romanced Cullen, but there's no vallaslin. That's....not possible, as far as I know.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 22, 2024 20:58:56 GMT
Is anyone else noticing something very, very wrong with this image? It says they romanced Cullen, but there's no vallaslin. That's....not possible, as far as I know. Nothing wrong. The male Dalish Inky also has no vallaslin. Nothing to do with Solas, sorry.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 21:05:24 GMT
Sorry for the clickbaiting Threadtitle but in my opinion the Inquisition choices aka the Keep replacement is very disappointing. Is anyone else noticing something very, very wrong with this image? It says they romanced Cullen, but there's no vallaslin. That's....not possible, as far as I know. You create the Inqy look before selecting the world state status and the CC doesn't force vallaslin on elves so...
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Post by colfoley on Sept 22, 2024 21:06:19 GMT
No Well, no Kieran, nothing about the Wardens decision even though we're going to Weisshaupt, not even a mention of who the Divine is. It really is just going to be "the Divine, the Orlesian crown, the Ferelden crown" They had 10 years. What are the excuses? These are wild levels of dropping the ball. I hope their attempts to pander to the Fortnite crowd was worth it. I was never expecting some cinematic, voice acted cameos - but the idea that they couldn't even bother to write slightly divergent codex entries to account for minor choices is insane. I hope Bioware/EA laying off all of their good employees while keeping that creep Epler was worth it. I hope the 10 years worth of Weekend at Bernie-ying this game while they go from self inflicted L to self inflected L (Anthem, Andromeda, etc) was worth it. why even include them if they were so minor? Like the assumption was these were going to be fairly major but now we know better. And really they have just done what the vast majority of RPGs do: collapse choice potential by first Tresspasser, second time, and third geography. A lot of these choices weren't going to matter.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 21:13:44 GMT
Personally insulting a Bioware dev for god-knows-what nonsense because you're unhappy with their as yet unreleased video game is just classic Jennifer Hepler-harassment-era og BSN stuff.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 22, 2024 21:31:14 GMT
With no choices available regarding Blackwall, Cassandra, Cole, Cullen, The Iron Bull plus Bulls Chargers mainly Krem, Leliana, Vivienne and minor but interestessing NPCs like Abelas, Donal Sutherland, Michel de Chevin, Briala and Ser Barris i think we can rule them out as returning characters.
From the main cast besides obviously Harding, Varric and Solas Dorian (shocking if he isn´t in it), Sera and Josephine have still a chance to appear. Plus maybe the minor NPCs Charter, Gatt, Dagna, Bianca Davri, Rylen and Valta plus one or two of the Multiplayer characters could show up.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 21:52:35 GMT
why even include them if they were so minor? Like the assumption was these were going to be fairly major but now we know better. And really they have just done what the vast majority of RPGs do: collapse choice potential by first Tresspasser, second time, and third geography. A lot of these choices weren't going to matter. I think people forgot how much Trespasser unified or even some of the ending slides from the base game. Wardens: all options leads to them returning to Weisshaupt and rumors of some internal issues. It's just written differently. Mages vs Templars: all organisations spawned by the various choices exist since Trespasser. Orlais ruler: almost all the options finish with some variation of " this won't last long and chaos will return soon". Devs ignored base game for Trespasser when it comes to Varric and Dorian. Trespasser base party (i.e. if you didn't recruit anyone in DAI) is Cassandra/Varric/Dorian. The Divine is just wild, there is seven general endings, more if you count the tiny variations, especially for Cassandra...but only 3 can be considered "good" and they all pretty much depends on the Inquisitor political power to remain in power, something that is waning by Trespasser. I expect to only see "Divine Victoria", but I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Divine was appointed too. Wouldn't be the first Divine to be fired in-setting. Edit: For the Divine, Trespasser also simplified things now that I think about (and checked the wiki), it's not as wild as the base DAI possibilities.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Sept 23, 2024 3:54:42 GMT
Iron Bull romance. Unromanced Inquisitor. Wow. I wonder if this invalidates anyone who chose to romance Qun-Loyal Bull. Also, I am starting to wonder if I should adjust my canon romance. My Inquisitor romanced Blackwall, but she was rather harsh in judgments and decisions (and she was consistent about it), so she left Blackwall to Orlesian justice. I wonder if I will be satisfied with the no-romance background. For consistency's sake, I don't know that I could have her release him. I suspect she would break up with Ranier during the judgment, so it would still be a no-romance "tile." Hmmm....
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 23, 2024 5:08:18 GMT
I'm disappointed the Well of sorrows decision isn't here, they could have done something cool with that since Morrigan and inqy are both present as npcs, but not necessarily surprised. I am surprised there's no Kieran choice as having a son seemed to have had such an effect on Morrigan in dai, that might bode ill for how much Mythal effects Morrigans personality if they are joined as theorised. It would have been neat to get variant codex entries or overheard idle convos based on whose Divine Victoria and who, if anyone, did the ultimate sacrifice. Oh well. Not too worried about the romances: if you broke up with or killed you romance then you just pick the no romance option, no reason to tell Rook about your ex from 10 years ago (edit: unless he's trying to take down the veil ), probably choose the same if Cassandra is divine as she initially seems to wanna break up but then post trespasser it seems like it's a secret relationship? They'll probably resolve things like Blackwalls name by having had him decide to reclaim Rainer years later when he hasn't in inquisition or switch back to Blackwall if he had - depending on which name they went with.
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