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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 24, 2024 16:15:39 GMT
4. Isabela
The only think i would miss will be the well quest. I am quite sad about it.
Isabela can´t be killed and she escaped the Qunari any way with the Book of Koslun if handed over so for Isabela what´s the point? But the old Arishok well this could interesting if he shows up in some other role with that choice.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 24, 2024 16:17:35 GMT
Also i don´t get your point you seem to enjoy those in general. I like them when they serve a purpose other than fanservices just there to tell me " look, look, you played the previous games".
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 24, 2024 16:30:26 GMT
4. Isabela
The only think i would miss will be the well quest. I am quite sad about it.
Isabela can´t be killed and she escaped the Qunari any way with the Book of Koslun if handed over so for Isabela what´s the point? But the old Arishok well this could interesting if he shows up in some other role with that choice. Isabela can be in the north and maybe meet the lord of fortune. So she could have a reason to be there instead of many other DA2 characters. As i said DA2 has not much to offer. So i wouldn't be sad if their wouldn't be a choice of that game.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 24, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
I like them when they serve a purpose other than fanservices just there to tell me " look, look, you played the previous games". That´s ok if you ask me because that was the appeal of the Bioware games since ME 1. Also we are talking about sequels so why not using some familiar faces and made it even more special that those are not in every playthrough?
I would never apologize for the fact that i find the Conrad Verner ME 3 scene awesome as hell. Is it forced sure but whatever. Conrad Verner in ME 3 has one of best moments in Trilogy.
But i guess today a loyal true Bioware believer find such scene of course stupid because the newest game has no flaws at all but so therefore the oldest games are sucking. Again why can´t be there no middleground anymore? A player can mostly enjoy a game but still find some stuff which like which are worthy of critism. But nowadays you be a pure hater or a pure lover. Nothing between. Jeez that´s such bullshit that nearly want to puke.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 24, 2024 16:43:27 GMT
As i said DA2 has not much to offer. So i wouldn't be sad if their wouldn't be a choice of that game.
Come on out of my head what happened to Anders if he survived DA2? Did Aveline marry Donnic and therefore have kids? No i doubt that Aveline returns but Varric could mention it in one line or two. Fate of Merrills eluvian and her clan? Is Bartrand alive? Again he could die between DAI and DAV but line would be neat. Are Varric and Hawke friends? Another Varric line or more.
And most important i can´t believe and a bit shocked that you say this and not even mention Feynriel.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 24, 2024 17:24:55 GMT
The chance to for Anders to re-appear has probably passed us by, unfortunately. From what I understand, it was discussed as a possibility for Inquisition but ultimately decided against, and I can't see him re-appearing now, if only because most of the Origins/Awakening era Grey Warden characters have probably succumbed to the Calling at this point. (Unless HoF succeeded but I kind of doubt that.) That degree of a time skip is why I don't need there to be a lot of choices, although even with that I'm disappointed by how limited it seems to be.
If someone like Feynriel shows up, chances are he simply always shows up and there won't be an option to have a world state without him. They said they don't want to do another Leliana, but Feynriel is small enough side character they might let that slide.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Sept 24, 2024 17:56:40 GMT
In the way that people on this forum board ardently defend(some in bad faith) every single thing about Veilguard to point of antagonization of other forum members for having differing opinions. Despite having just as much information as the rest of us. The way that some people who have criticisms appear to walk on eggshells with any criticism they reveal. Look no further than the bobblehead thread(the one talking about the weirdly proportioned bodies) for an example. People were having a discussion and then it derailed into mudslinging with 'Cassandra skull guy' because some people got butthurt. In that way. The point stands that these choices were respected even the ones not most people made. Doesn't have to be all of them. They were carried all the way to Inquisition from Origins and it seems that Veilguard might not even deign to bring the big decisions from only the last game in the series. That's objectively a decline. But it is true and it is important and it is a story that was built from the very first game in the series that came all the way to Inquisition. Looking at the Inquisitior's choices with no noticeable mention of the well of sorrows, all the other important Inquisition decisions, just who he's humping, and a "decision" that came in a dlc...It doesn't look good. The goalpost of whether the writers cared for the game they spent ten years writing? Even though the salient point is that from what we've seen one game may likely have better writing than the other, not a semantical word game gotcha? Sure. You can have that point. Branching paths are likely to create variance in an RPG? Yes! That's what's wanted. Replayability is what I'm reading here. And your elucidation on the difficulties of writing are not going to get us these elements in Veilguard. Quality writing is. The same writing that produced the original trilogy is what's being asked. Nothing more. Nothing less. A character is more than a personality trait, but if most of those traits appear to be the same or similar among them, it can be said that they are comparable. The fact of the matter is we know very little of how Bellara will move in the game, but we do know how she sounds(how she comes across) and she reminds me of Sara. She reminds me of PeeBee. The quirky, lolsorandom, marvel, comic relief, she's so silly' character. Even through all the differences you've described, that tone comes roaring through no matter how it's dressed up. The song may have changed but the tone's stayed the same. And I don't like what I've heard from the sample so far. If the differences matter enough to outweigh the tone, you'll be correct. At this stage, there isn't much to be seen that says that she won't be the same or similar comedy weirdo, only this time you can't get rid of her. Happy to help.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 24, 2024 18:24:08 GMT
I wonder what Cassandra Skull Guy would think about lazy Bioware writers not letting him import his revamped FEMININE Cassandra skull into DATV.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 24, 2024 19:49:46 GMT
In the way that people on this forum board ardently defend(some in bad faith) every single thing about Veilguard to point of antagonization of other forum members for having differing opinions. Despite having just as much information as the rest of us. The way that some people who have criticisms appear to walk on eggshells with any criticism they reveal. Look no further than the bobblehead thread(the one talking about the weirdly proportioned bodies) for an example. People were having a discussion and then it derailed into mudslinging with 'Cassandra skull guy' because some people got butthurt.
In that way. People are capable of having civil conversations when the "skeptical" group doesn't come in hot with negative diction and excessive hyperbole. There was just a discussion last night with someone who didn't like Inquisition and hasn't been happy with what they've seen so far from Veilguard, and it was a productive conversation. Reznore has had no issues voicing criticism and gets along fine with most people on the board. Respect is a two way street. Also, Sofa Jockey straight up measured the models and the ratios were proportional--the issue revolves around camera angles and using a non-standard height for the models. An example of an actual bobblehead would be the halflings from BG3. And if the board user doesn't want their topic to derail, maybe they should avoid posting fucking Asmongold videos of all things. They could have easily shown the reddit thread instead, but when someone introduces us to those types of grifters, they're setting the tone of the conversation before it's even started. Morrigan will be carried through from Origins, although I admit I'm also concerned about how the character will be portrayed. But ultimately we don't know anything about how the character will be written, we can only rely on guesswork. If it's a decline in the sense that it lessens and simplifies the connections between games, then yeah, sure, I agree. Solas may well have never had sex with the Inquisitor, it's left ambiguous, but I understand your point. The Well not coming back feels like a mistake, especially if Morrigan is returning. You were the one talking about their work ethic, not me. If you didn't want me to talk about that, you shouldn't have mentioned it. When I use the term variance, I'm not referring to replayability, I'm talking about the actual quality of the writing itself, including the writing of branching paths. Just having more of something does not automatically make something well constructed. BG3 had more with its evil route, but the evil route was terribly written and barely made sense half the time. I genuinely think my experience with that game would've been better if I never touched that route, it was so horribly done.
As for the actual quality of the writing we've seen in Veilguard, some of it has felt sharp and some of it has clunked. But I think that's true for every game in the series, where the writing has moments of greatness and moments that fall flat. Like, I love Dragon Age, it's one of my all-time favorite series, but I'm under no illusions about the flaws that persist throughout the entire body of work. My only real concern so far is that they're playing it a little safe and overly sanitized in certain aspects. So basically, none of the difference I noted matter because of... vibes? How am I supposed to refute that? That's just an emotional response with no basis in actual character analysis.
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Post by IllustriousT on Sept 24, 2024 20:53:43 GMT
Solas may well have never had sex with the Inquisitor, it's left ambiguous, but I understand your point. The Well not coming back feels like a mistake, especially if Morrigan is returning. . It is? Doesn't he straight up say " I wouldn't lay with you under false pretense..."
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Post by Reznore on Sept 24, 2024 21:04:04 GMT
Solas may well have never had sex with the Inquisitor, it's left ambiguous, but I understand your point. The Well not coming back feels like a mistake, especially if Morrigan is returning. . It is? Doesn't he straight up say " I wouldn't lay with you under false pretense..." The game says nothing happened. But I think Weekes ended up saying "dream on, whatever works for you". Solas actual romance has like two scenes, and he drops Lavellan like a hot potato on like the second date. Headcanon got to run wild otherwise it's a whole lot of nothing burger.
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Post by LogicGunn on Sept 24, 2024 21:09:58 GMT
Solas may well have never had sex with the Inquisitor, it's left ambiguous, but I understand your point. The Well not coming back feels like a mistake, especially if Morrigan is returning. . It is? Doesn't he straight up say " I wouldn't lay with you under false pretense..." In trespasser you can have this convo:
Solas "And now you know. What is the old Dalish curse? May the Dread Wolf take you?
Lavellan "And so he did."
Solas "I would not lay with you under false pretenses."
IIRC the devs said it's up to you, and this is only said with the "sad" response.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 25, 2024 15:45:14 GMT
As i said DA2 has not much to offer. So i wouldn't be sad if their wouldn't be a choice of that game.
Come on out of my head what happened to Anders if he survived DA2? Did Aveline marry Donnic and therefore have kids? No i doubt that Aveline returns but Varric could mention it in one line or two. Fate of Merrills eluvian and her clan? Is Bartrand alive? Again he could die between DAI and DAV but line would be neat. Are Varric and Hawke friends? Another Varric line or more.
And most important i can´t believe and a bit shocked that you say this and not even mention Feynriel. The Bartrand quest could work. The rest isn't importent. I don't like the DAI Varric told you what the rest of DA2 do. Unless it matters to the person Morrigan Kieran or Varric Bartrand. I like more real cameo or Letter about the person. Zevran or the warden for exemple.
Feynriel as Character would be good. But i doub any choice their would be importent. They would write his character as story imortent part and mash the choices together.
But what i like to see is the well choice because their the story isn't finish.
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Post by gaelys on Sept 25, 2024 16:13:38 GMT
Seems like the only three choices have been confirmed. It's a bit disappointing, I admit. Mostly because it probably means we won't get much of an update of previous companions and what they are up to ? I understand that the choices had minor consequences, but at least I like keeping tabs on characters.
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Post by TabithaTH on Sept 25, 2024 16:23:53 GMT
The only reason I never thought we’d get anything about the Well is the involvement of both Morrigan and the Inquisitor. Now that we know both are in the game, I’m honestly saddened that the Well choice is irrelevant.
Also, I do not need super cameos and stuff, but a codex entry here and there referencing stuff does wonders for me personally. People who know can do the whole Decaprio meme thing and those that don’t will see it as yet another world building flavor text. Like reading information about Blackwall, if he’d become a warden, smaller stuff like that.
Ngl, I think we might have had more of this stuff if the game had used the keep. Because it doesn’t, they need to keep the import function as simplistic as possible. Otherwise they risk overwhelming new players with choices they have no way of understanding. Likewise they risk disappointing old fans when a choice turns out to be something small, like a codex. If they can just take it from the keep, then we do not have any preexisting expectations of what that choice will look like, so it becomes a pleasant surprise, rather than a disappointment.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 25, 2024 16:24:35 GMT
Seems like the only three choices have been confirmed. It's a bit disappointing, I admit. Mostly because it probably means we won't get much of an update of previous companions and what they are up to ? I understand that the choices had minor consequences, but at least I like keeping tabs on characters. So there you doubters have your official confirmation.
Just those 3 choices from all the three games besides the fact for example that Morrigan and Varric are back. I don´t need Kieran in Veilguard but Morrigan should have mentioned that she has a son or not depending on DAO choice. And Varric there should a few minor dialogue difference if Varric and Hawke / Inquisitor are friends or not.
Edit: And its a shame that they don´t use Zevran besides the heavy Antivan crow focus and Fenris because of his Tevinter background.
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Post by TabithaTH on Sept 25, 2024 16:35:33 GMT
I mean, as long as they never mention his age, they can always make it so she’s gotten a son since DAI. Then if you have Kieran, that’s him, otherwise it’s a new kid.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 25, 2024 16:38:05 GMT
I mean, as long as they never mention his age, they can always make it so she’s gotten a son since DAI. Then if you have Kieran, that’s him, otherwise it’s a new kid. Oh please that would so cheap. Also the community would ask who is the father. So no Morrigan will never mention Kieran aka you can argue that he never existed in the first place.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 25, 2024 16:45:18 GMT
I don't like the way BioWare handled this. Both in the decision itself and the obfuscation around the decision. They made reviewers agree not to show this...only to tell us a few days later. So that becomes very transparently an attempt to control negativity around the reviews, making them feel less authentic. Also Corinne's description of this from the Discord Q&A now makes my eyes roll a bit...like this is really overselling something that is 3 decisions. "As you go through it"...you mean as you go through 3 decisions? lol
"The thing I love about it is, it’s very highly visual, it uses the familiar tarot card aesthetic, so it’s actually really visual and playful experience as you go through it."
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Post by Reznore on Sept 25, 2024 16:52:06 GMT
I don't like the way BioWare handled this. Both in the decision itself and the obfuscation around the decision. They made reviewers agree not to show this...only to tell us a few days later. So that becomes very transparently an attempt to control negativity around the reviews, making them feel less authentic. Also Corinne's description of this from the Discord Q&A now makes my eyes roll a bit...like this is really overselling something that is 3 decisions. "As you go through it"...you mean as you go through 3 decisions? lol "The thing I love about it is, it’s very highly visual, it uses the familiar tarot card aesthetic, so it’s actually really visual and playful experience as you go through it." It's PR. You sugar coat everything you know people won't be happy about. They can't say we choose to get rid of most of the import system, it was an headache with little gain.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 25, 2024 16:55:05 GMT
"And we don't have to speak directly to things like who is the Divine? Because again, that's happening in the South.” The orlaisian Divine is still so important figure in person that there should have so minor mostly dialogue relevated difference in who is the Divine. I bet Tevinter would find it somewhat funny that Mage like Vivienne is the "new" Divine.
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"And we don't have to speak directly to things like who is the Divine? Because again, that's happening in the South.” The orlaisian Divine is still so important figure in person that there should have so minor mostly dialogue relevated difference in who is the Divine. I bet Tevinter would find it somewhat funny that Mage like Vivienne is the "new" Divine. Yeah Antiva is under the White Divine and pious. Anderfels the chantry is a HUGE deal. Rivain nope they're like heathen. Nevarra also under white chantry. Only Tevinter has its own chantry. So I don't know what they're talking about. There better be an actual reason no Exalted March is called.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Sept 25, 2024 16:59:02 GMT
Well, I'm disappointed that Well of Sorrows isn't accounted for, but I cant say I'm that surprised. I realised after how DAI handled most of the choices from keep that it was created more for marketing reasons. Literally only things that were relevant are CC background, their relationships with companions and a couple of big choices.
If three decisions we import result in meaningful narrative branching, I'm quite alright with it. (e.g. Inq who vowed to stop Solas rebels if Rook depsides to ally with him; different role in the story based on what happened with Inquisition)
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cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 25, 2024 16:59:15 GMT
They can't say we choose to get rid of most of the import system, it was an headache with little gain. This is still a very bad decision on Biowares part. Does it mean that i want every damn Keep decision back of course not but there have a bit more than those three. I care that Kieran exist as Morrigan son and mention him a few times and not what happened to Ostagar prisoner, the Mabari or even Wynne. They are long dead.
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ellanathehamster
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Post by ellanathehamster on Sept 25, 2024 17:00:31 GMT
"And we don't have to speak directly to things like who is the Divine? Because again, that's happening in the South.” The orlaisian Divine is still so important figure in person that there should have so minor mostly dialogue relevated difference in who is the Divine. I bet Tevinter would find it somewhat funny that Mage like Vivienne is the "new" Divine. That was quite silly, agree. This choice is especially relevant, if they decide to have the state of inquisition imported, one of which is literally serving under the Divine from the south...
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