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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 10, 2024 20:53:10 GMT
I… am devastated. I’ve never had a game make me feel this way before. I’m not sure if it’s because it’s a conclusion to a story in the making since DA:O, or if it’s the tragedy of the story itself. Even beyond the Solavellan stuff (yes, I’m a Solavellan)… Davrin/Harding. Varric. Just There’s literally a hole in my heart, and I almost feel like I can’t go back and play because I don’t want to see Davrin die again (sorry, but there’s no way I’m letting Harding go like that.) Varric’s death also hit me like a motherfucker. Ugh. I think the light heartedness of the game is what makes it all the more tragic. Like, I really have to watch Davrin raise his griffon child only for them to die? He died a hero, but fuck! Speaking of fuck, fuck Ghilan’nain! It feels so heavy. I…. Just I’m in my feels. It feels like grief. Am I alone in this?
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 10, 2024 21:04:26 GMT
BioWare games are supposed to require tissues. Replaying the prologue and early scenes hits so differently now. Don't know how I didn't see it the first time. The way Solas nearly says Rook: 'He tried to talk to you anyway ... and now he's hurt. Solas: 'Varric is ... ['dead' - stop's himself, continues] quite practiced at shading the truth himself.'
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 21:06:11 GMT
Letting Harding go was the easiest decision of my life.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 10, 2024 21:08:26 GMT
BioWare games are supposed to require tissues. Replaying the prologue and early scenes hits so differently now. Don't know how I didn't see it the first time. The way Solas nearly says Rook: 'He tried to talk to you anyway ... and now he's hurt. Solas: 'Varric is ... ['dead' - stop's himself, continues] quite practiced at shading the truth himself.' Maybe replaying will make me feel better. I definitely want to catch the stuff I missed in regards to Varric.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 10, 2024 21:11:14 GMT
Letting Harding go was the easiest decision of my life. Why!? Omg. I think they both made sense, but Davrin being a Grey Warden and swearing to sacrifice himself after taking the oath is what made me choose him. It’s just… Assan. Baby boy died with his dad when I would have happily raised him! He didn’t have to jump after him!
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Post by azarhal on Nov 10, 2024 21:17:30 GMT
I said it last night. I felt emotionally abused even if I had the "good" ending aka it can be way more worst than just the 2nd squad leader choice.
As for Varric, I guessed toward the end of Act 2 (then I was spoiled about it by a screenshot shot elsewhere). It's something Isabela said at some point and how the scene were presented at the round table toward the end. It just sneaked in and I still cried when Rook realized.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 10, 2024 21:22:24 GMT
The Varric bit was affecting, but I think it’s a bit of a weak spot logic-wise. I find it hard to believe Harding or Neve would just never feel the need to talk to Rook about what happened to Varric or bring up the fact he died.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 21:24:33 GMT
Letting Harding go was the easiest decision of my life. Why!? Omg. I think they both made sense, but Davrin being a Grey Warden and swearing to sacrifice himself after taking the oath is what made me choose him. It’s just… Assan. Baby boy died with his dad when I would have happily raised him! He didn’t have to jump after him! It makes more sense for her character arc. She takes what the Evanuris have done to her people really strongly, and it's as if the her whole arc is pointed towards that specific scene, where she gets to take personal revenge on everything the Evanuris and Solas did, to the Titans, to her people, to Varric, to the Inquisition. Even at the cost at her life, she is the hero of the hour, and she gets to deal the decisive blow against the ancient elven tyrants. I also mentioned it before but there's this final moment in her companion quest where she is looking to the distant horizon, with the Oracle whispering something to her, and she looks so determined.. to do whatever it takes, perhaps? And that is exactly what she does. Davrin on the other hand, might have great use for the future battles ahead. The blight is not over, and I'd rather have Davrin at our side for the final confrontation. While Harding has her strengths, she is no Grey Warden. It's pretty simple really. Also I like Davrin (and Assan) more than Harding. Bye bye Harding
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Post by tmjfin on Nov 10, 2024 21:32:31 GMT
It was Harding on my first playtrough. That and Varric was like a kick in the gut and I cried. And Varric in the sky in the end, cried again. Second time wasn't any easier. Pure gold says I.
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Post by Reznore on Nov 10, 2024 21:34:18 GMT
I cried Varric died for this shit. I really did. It felt bad. I LOVED da2, Varric was comfort food. Didn't care for the ending, romanced Harding, she died (i knew about Assan, and I didn't want that) ...companions throw you a random line after and it all sounds like they're saying the same. Had a 2 second feeling of satisfaction when I stabbed Solas. That's it. Then the lazy "epilogue" with Harding repeating "Whatever it takes" and flower blooming for the grey wardens, I pressed escape.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 21:42:00 GMT
I think the only time I teared up during the game was during Bellara's first companion quest. I don't know where that came from but I was slightly affected. Everything that came afterwards? Nah, not so much. I did feel a profound emptiness and some sadness during the ending, but it was really not the.. '' god I love this game so much I don't want it to end I need to start a new playthrough asap, I'm not done yet! '' kind of sadness that I still feel after 1200+ hours played of Inquisition when clearing Trespasser for the millionth time. It was more like... '' I can't believe this is the result of the years I've spent waiting for this game and not even the ending could save it '' kind of sadness. It did make me want to launch another playthrough of Inquisition though!
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 10, 2024 21:50:57 GMT
I find it hard to believe Harding or Neve would just never feel the need to talk to Rook about what happened to Varric or bring up the fact he died. When replaying the first Lighthouse conversations, it's clear what Harding and Neve are saying about Varric, they're just not using the 'D' word (as often people don't like to). 'Varric paid the price' 'how many more people will get hurt - get killed ... ?'
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Post by IllustriousT on Nov 10, 2024 22:17:11 GMT
There was no memorial. It was jarring that no one did anything for Varric as a memorial. It all felt too contrived to ensure the narrative stayed intact.
I had a feeling about Varric and knew something wasn't right - especially considering he was stabbed by the Lyrium dagger. Though, I thought maybe because they were in the Fade, he was a spirit or something. Wasn't that...just another betrayal by Solas.
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Post by Dukemon on Nov 10, 2024 22:19:12 GMT
I don't quite understand why Rook is so attached to Varric. Varric's opinion is important to him throughout the game. What do we know? Neve and Rook were brought in around the same time by Varric (That's what I understood.) for the task of being the new division of the Inquisition. The two don't meet until 9 months after Rook joins. Okay. What did Rook and Varric experience in between? How does the reveal trailer with the bar brawl that Rook joins there fit in with the backstories? As Crow, Rook takes out Antaam and frees hostages. In doing so, he unintentionally disrupts one of the crows' plans. Although this is now more in question after experiencing the Treviso story. And Varric was among the prisoners? Where was the bar brawl? Did you understand how Rook fits into the chaos? And that as a newcomer he suddenly sees Varric as a mentor, somehow the most important figure in his life. But Rook also doesn't give the impression that he knows Varric's stories. Where is Hawke anyway? Do you think the Inquisitor knew that Varric had died? Some people say I'm worrying too much and should just accept the game as it is...And I shouldn't badmouth the game to them, because they would enjoy it... It's your own fault for having expectations. But honestly, I don't care. If something is too confusing and inaccurate in a story, I can't leave it as it is. I have to talk about it a bit. Probably because when the game hands me the character sheet, I just add the other fields to indicate who my character is if they're missing.
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Post by Envisionary on Nov 10, 2024 22:37:38 GMT
I'm taking solace in his murderer being trapped in a hell of his own making.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 10, 2024 22:51:32 GMT
The Harding vs. Davrin and Assan choice was brutal. Picking between having your second dwarf friend - and one of the dwarves' few connections to the Titans and their past - die or letting Davrin do his job and reducing the griffon population of Thedas down to twelve is one of the hardest dilemmas in a BioWare game for me. And I loved it! My problem with the ME2 suicide mission is that it's just too easy to get out with everyone alive - I was completely unspoiled on my first run of the game and still saved everyone except Kelly Chambers with no problems at all. I like that this time around they actually committed to making you sacrifice someone, they haven't done that since Virmire. People say Origins was a dark game, but it never killed a baby griffon I'd spent the whole game bonding with right in front of me . I saw the Varric twist coming from early Act II (there's a lot of hints, but the one that tipped me was a really jarring moment when Bellara said 'not like Varric Tethras' and I realised that she was talking like she'd never met him, because she never had) so I feel like I was grieving him for half the game already by the time I got to the reveal. As someone who's long counted him as one of my favourite Dragon Age characters, I thought the game handled his death well (even if it's one of the areas where I itched for a proper world state import so his shade could have spoken about the specifics of his time in Kirkwall and the Inquisition in more specific terms.) They've been trying to kill him off since the cancelled Exalted March expansion, makes sense for him to go out at the same time the arc that's been building since DAO ends. And since we're discussing endgame in this thread: I got everyone possible Veilguard through the last mission up until I sent someone to defend the barricades before the last fight. I assumed that all factions being at full strength and everyone's personal missions being done would save whoever I sent, but, uh, nope. Do you have to send Taash to defend them if you want everyone to live? Because Taash and Harding were my regular squad and with Davrin gone I felt like they were the only option against the last boss fight. I was probably wrong about that, though - having Felassan's rune available made fighting Elgarnan a walk in the park compared to everything else in Act III (thanks buddy!) and I didn't fight Solas so I probably could do it with two Mages or Rogues instead if that's the only way to save Bellara.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 10, 2024 22:54:09 GMT
Do you think the Inquisitor knew that Varric had died? The Inquisitor definitely does. The explicitly mention Solas having killed people they care about, it's clear (at least in hindsight if you haven't worked it out by then) that they're talking about Varric.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 10, 2024 23:11:09 GMT
The Harding vs. Davrin and Assan choice was brutal. Picking between having your second dwarf friend - and one of the dwarves few connections to the Titans and their past - or letting Davrin do his job and reducing the griffon population of Thedas down to twelve is one of the hardest dilemmas in a BioWare game for me. And I loved it! My problem with the ME2 suicide mission is that it's just too easy to get out with everyone alive - I was completely unspoiled on my first run of the game and still saved everyone except Kelly Chambers with no problems at all. I like that this time around they actually committed to making you sacrifice someone, they haven't done that since Virmire. People say Origins was a dark game, but it never killed a baby griffon I'd spent the whole game bonding with right in front of me . I saw the Varric twist coming from early Act II (there's a lot of hints, but the one that tipped me was a really jarring moment when Bellara said 'not like Varric Tethras' and I realised that she was talking like she'd never met him, because she never had) so I feel like I was grieving him for half the game already by the time I got to the reveal. As someone who's long counted him as one of my favourite Dragon Age characters, I thought the game handled his death well (even if it's one of the areas where I itched for a proper world state import so his shade could have spoken about the specifics of his time in Kirkwall and the Inquisition in more specific terms.) They've been trying to kill him off since the cancelled Exalted March expansion, makes sense for him to go out at the same time the arc that's been building since DAO ends. And since we're discussing endgame in this thread: I got everyone possible Veilguard through the last mission up until I sent someone to defend the barricades before the last fight. I assumed that all factions being at full strength and everyone's personal missions being done would save whoever I sent, but, uh, nope. Do you have to send Taash to defend them if you want everyone to live? Because Taash and Harding were my regular squad and with Davrin gone I felt like they were the only option against the last boss fight. I was probably wrong about that, though - having Felassan's rune available made fighting Elgarnan a walk in the park compared to everything else in Act III (thanks buddy!) and I didn't fight Solas so I probably could do it with two Mages or Rogues instead if that's the only way to save Bellara. You must send Harding or Davrin on that mission, I think. I chose Harding and everyone lived.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 10, 2024 23:16:18 GMT
I'm taking solace in his murderer being trapped in a hell of his own making. It’s even more hilarious if he’s trapped in there with Rook. Lol
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Post by hustledlaw on Nov 10, 2024 23:29:21 GMT
I don't quite understand why Rook is so attached to Varric. "] From what I understand through the second dialogue with Solas, Varric and Rook have been hunting him for about a year and over that time he’s been mentoring Rook like a father figure. Rook gets somewhat abandoned by whatever faction they’re working with in their backstory, meets Varric around the same time and he’s kind of all they have for almost a year. I think that’s enough to get attached to someone but the player doesn’t experience it from the beginning.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 11, 2024 12:42:32 GMT
ah yes, the Harding/Davrin choice. I don't mind the choice. What bothered me is both hesitated to harm the sister god. Instead we have to listen to upside down rook and the sister god talk. Whatever it take's as Davrin says. It should be more like Hesitation is what it takes. I will include Lucanis. An assassin should never hesitate.
In regards to the storyteller's death. Big deal. I'm still confused with him talking this friend crap about solas believing he could talk him down. Instead of him being stabbed, solas pushes him causing Varric to suffer serious injuries putting him in a coma. Then again, I would have the Inq having the role of Varric in the game except not dying, but just in a coma from injuries suffered when solas pushed inq down the steps.
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Post by Dukemon on Nov 11, 2024 14:41:35 GMT
ah yes, the Harding/Davrin choice. I don't mind the choice. What bothered me is both hesitated to harm the sister god. Instead we have to listen to upside down rook and the sister god talk. Whatever it take's as Davrin says. It should be more like Hesitation is what it takes. I will include Lucanis. An assassin should never hesitate. That also seemed so strange to me. This delay in action seemed so unnecessary that everyone waited to act. My guess now is that Bioware was going for symbolism, to foreshadow the episode in the fade with Solas. Since Inquisition, Tarrot has become an accompanying element and DA4 plays a lot with interpretation. The tower that stands on its head. In the Tarrot interpretation, this symbolises impending doom. A collapse.
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Post by mattjamho on Nov 12, 2024 9:42:06 GMT
The few lines from Isabela about Varric right before the final fight are what got me. They’ve been friends for almost 20 years at this point so hearing her pay respects to him really choked me up. Also having just read Assan will die with Davrin if you send him to lead the other team, sealed Harding’s fate for me in all future playthroughs. Sorry Harding There is something tragic about both her and Varric dying that I quite like in terms of story. They started the hunt for Solas and both fell before they could finish the job, it really is down to Rook now. That bittersweet feeling after dealing with Solas felt right to me. And I also liked having Davrin aid the allies before the final fight, he’s been the shield for my party all game so my Rook felt him shielding the allies was right. This was my first play through so I imported my Lavellan who romanced Solas and wanted to change his mind, so I had my Rook choose choices that would aid that. But in following playthroughs Solas is getting locked up, I can’t see any of my future Rooks allowing him to have a heroic ending after killing Varric, locking them in the fade, and using blood magic on them. It’s the least he gets for all the sh*t he caused.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 12, 2024 10:26:37 GMT
Of course none of this will be resolved until the 2030's... How long before the next one? 8 years? 10 years?
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