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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 16, 2024 0:27:30 GMT
I wanted Davrin and Bellara with me in the final fights, both for elf reasons and just for having my LI with me, and it's hilarious how it paid off for my romance arc cause let me tell you I would have been devastated. But... I feel Davrin makes more sense for a heroic sacrifice than Harding. I feel torn about future playthroughs.
I would have no problem sacrificing Davrin (Grey Warden thing) if it didn't mean losing Assan too. That fur-feather baby is not getting hurt, ever! I would have totally rage-quit if saving the rest of the griffons wasn't possible. BioWare knew what they were doing there lmao.
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Post by Ajna on Nov 18, 2024 18:32:05 GMT
BioWare games are supposed to require tissues. Replaying the prologue and early scenes hits so differently now. Don't know how I didn't see it the first time. The way Solas nearly says Rook: 'He tried to talk to you anyway ... and now he's hurt. Solas: 'Varric is ... ['dead' - stop's himself, continues] quite practiced at shading the truth himself.' Exactly this! I'm noticing now and it almost seems so obvious! The way that no one ever spoke to Varric or even LOOKED at him... how did I never find that odd first time through? I was spoiled with the Harding/Davrin choice, upon learning about this I set about finding out whether it meant Assan too...I still feel bad about sending Harding, but I couldn't watch the feathery baby die! Had he survived then it would have been Davrin...
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Post by phoray on Nov 18, 2024 19:01:10 GMT
would have no problem sacrificing Davrin (Grey Warden thing) if it didn't mean losing Assan too. That fur-feather baby is not getting hurt, ever! I actually thought Harding dying fit what little of their arc existed. I always knew Davrin was archdemon bait, part of why I never got much attached to him. Hearing that Assan would die too made it a no go even after deciding that I found Harding dying there to be a good end.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 18, 2024 19:48:05 GMT
So, I was just thinking about something. I don't actually remember any characters using the term "Veilguard" throughout the game. It was definitely shown in the UI in various places, but otherwise I can't recall a character saying that term. Am I just forgetting?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 18, 2024 20:41:12 GMT
So, I was just thinking about something. I don't actually remember any characters using the term "Veilguard" throughout the game. It was definitely shown in the UI in various places, but otherwise I can't recall a character saying that term. Am I just forgetting? Nope! The squad never gets an official name in game in universe. (Which makes it pretty funny that they named the game that, but it is a better title than 'Dreadwolf' given that the team is the focus.)
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Post by melbella on Nov 19, 2024 0:33:03 GMT
So, I was just thinking about something. I don't actually remember any characters using the term "Veilguard" throughout the game. It was definitely shown in the UI in various places, but otherwise I can't recall a character saying that term. Am I just forgetting? Nope! The squad never gets an official name in game in universe. (Which makes it pretty funny that they named the game that, but it is a better title than 'Dreadwolf' given that the team is the focus.)
The only mention I heard was in the epilogue slides:
The one where Lucanis looks like Count Chocula.
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Post by VARMAELEN on Nov 19, 2024 5:42:20 GMT
I come into the game hating solas, and then starting to understanding his motives, and then that revelation undone all the good will.
Solas deserve worse. May his purgatory hot, his struggle forgotten and his name erased from memory, insha allah.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 19, 2024 17:34:37 GMT
Has anyone found a comprehensive guide about how faction reputation, companions being Hero of The Veilguard or not, and which roles they are assigned factor into what happens at the end? For example, if someone is a Hero can they still die (besides Harding/Davrin choice) if paired with a weak faction or in an improper role? If someone isn't a Hero, can they live if in proper role and/or with strong faction?
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Post by phoray on Nov 19, 2024 19:13:45 GMT
Has anyone found a comprehensive guide about how faction reputation, companions being Hero of The Veilguard or not, and which roles they are assigned factor into what happens at the end? For example, if someone is a Hero can they still die (besides Harding/Davrin choice) if paired with a weak faction or in an improper role? If someone isn't a Hero, can they live if in proper role and/or with strong faction? themikefest has played 4 times and really explored it. I watched online and I know from there that sending Taash with the Crows/LoF can kill her (who would have thought sending a LOF with the LOF was a bad choice) but they didn't die on my PT because they had the Veilguard stamp. I think other than the scripted death if they get their Plot Stamp, they succeed regardless of their strengths for the task you assign.
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Post by phoray on Nov 19, 2024 19:19:01 GMT
May his purgatory hot, his struggle forgotten and his name erased from memory, insha allah. The solas hate feels good. Annoyed I ever considered his perspective.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 19, 2024 19:27:57 GMT
Has anyone found a comprehensive guide about how faction reputation, companions being Hero of The Veilguard or not, and which roles they are assigned factor into what happens at the end? For example, if someone is a Hero can they still die (besides Harding/Davrin choice) if paired with a weak faction or in an improper role? If someone isn't a Hero, can they live if in proper role and/or with strong faction? I haven't a guide or anything, but I did get this ending twice. What I did was avoid any side quests. Stuck with the main story. In my first playthrough, I put Harding with the Wardens. She survived. In my quick playthrough I had Darvin with the Grey Wardens. He died. But he wasn't "loyal". Going by my first playthrough, with all surviving, minus Davrin, I had Harding with Wardens. Taash protected Veil jumpers and then picked again to help Morrigan, Lucanis with the Crows, Bellara was taken by Egan, Emmrich with the watchers. Up until Bellara was taken, I had her and Neve with my Rook. After that, I used Emmrich and Neve. Since you mentioned it, I will go back to my first playthrough, load up a save just before Act 3, to see if choosing a companion will lead to a casulaty.
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Post by tmjfin on Nov 19, 2024 19:33:28 GMT
Has anyone found a comprehensive guide about how faction reputation, companions being Hero of The Veilguard or not, and which roles they are assigned factor into what happens at the end? For example, if someone is a Hero can they still die (besides Harding/Davrin choice) if paired with a weak faction or in an improper role? If someone isn't a Hero, can they live if in proper role and/or with strong faction? Heroes can die if signed to improper roles. My third Rook assigned Lucanis to attack Juggernaut and it didn't end well.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 19, 2024 20:02:13 GMT
Has anyone found a comprehensive guide about how faction reputation, companions being Hero of The Veilguard or not, and which roles they are assigned factor into what happens at the end? For example, if someone is a Hero can they still die (besides Harding/Davrin choice) if paired with a weak faction or in an improper role? If someone isn't a Hero, can they live if in proper role and/or with strong faction? If you do not do Neve, Taash or Emmrich questlines, I think it impact 3 tasks to have harder rating for survival since it change the "enemy" encountered there. One of the job kill an NPC and not a the companion as "failure" state. Another NPC survival is tied to faction rating/which city you saved in Act 1 I think (could just be the city choice?). I don't think it's binary, looks like companions have grades for each tasks, then you add faction support and Hero of Veilguard and compare vs the task rating to know if you get the failure state.
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Post by phoray on Nov 19, 2024 20:50:09 GMT
They don't get their Plot Stamp unless you complete their quest lines, right? It's not a possibility of failing it's just whether you did them or not.
Then faction strength, 3 stars is needed to be considered full strength. Rank 4 is just for fun?
And then what job you assign them to is the third thing
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 19, 2024 22:14:08 GMT
And then what job you assign them to is the third thing Yeah. I had all factions at three stars and Bellara as Hero of the Veilguard when I sent her to defend the barricades before the final boss fight and she still died . I've heard that both Taash and Harding are good choices there, but they were my regular party so I wasn't going to do without them in the final battle. Not sure if anyone else is a good option? (I guess probably Davrin but he was already dead by then, obviously.)
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 19, 2024 22:21:56 GMT
And then what job you assign them to is the third thing Yeah. I had all factions at three stars and Bellara as Hero of the Veilguard when I sent her to defend the barricades before the final boss fight and she still died . I've heard that both Taash and Harding are good choices there, but they were my regular party so I wasn't going to do without them in the final battle. Not sure if anyone else is a good option? (I guess probably Davrin but he was already dead by then, obviously.) Yeah I assigned Davrin for that and he lived
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 19, 2024 22:29:38 GMT
Has anyone found a comprehensive guide about how faction reputation, companions being Hero of The Veilguard or not, and which roles they are assigned factor into what happens at the end? For example, if someone is a Hero can they still die (besides Harding/Davrin choice) if paired with a weak faction or in an improper role? If someone isn't a Hero, can they live if in proper role and/or with strong faction? themikefest has played 4 times and really explored it. I watched online and I know from there that sending Taash with the Crows/LoF can kill her (who would have thought sending a LOF with the LOF was a bad choice) but they didn't die on my PT because they had the Veilguard stamp. I think other than the scripted death if they get their Plot Stamp, they succeed regardless of their strengths for the task you assign. I assigned Taash for that task (not a Hero) but I had both Crows and LoF at 3 stars so thought it could still be ok. Nope, they died. I considered Lucanis who was a Hero but wanted him in my party. I wasn't really aiming for a perfect playthrough though - I was curious how faction approval and the Hero of the Veilguard status would factor into the endgame so I purposefully left 2 companions without Hero status, and 2 of the factions at only 2 stars (rest were 3).
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Post by themikefest on Nov 19, 2024 22:31:16 GMT
Has anyone found a comprehensive guide about how faction reputation, companions being Hero of The Veilguard or not, and which roles they are assigned factor into what happens at the end? For example, if someone is a Hero can they still die (besides Harding/Davrin choice) if paired with a weak faction or in an improper role? If someone isn't a Hero, can they live if in proper role and/or with strong faction? I haven't a guide or anything, but I did get this ending twice. What I did was avoid any side quests. Stuck with the main story. In my first playthrough, I put Harding with the Wardens. She survived. In my quick playthrough I had Darvin with the Grey Wardens. He died. But he wasn't "loyal". Going by my first playthrough, with all surviving, minus Davrin, I had Harding with Wardens. Taash protected Veil jumpers and then picked again to help Morrigan, Lucanis with the Crows, Bellara was taken by Egan, Emmrich with the watchers. Up until Bellara was taken, I had her and Neve with my Rook. After that, I used Emmrich and Neve. Since you mentioned it, I will go back to my first playthrough, load up a save just before Act 3, to see if choosing a companion will lead to a casulaty. I replayed Act 3 with my rook from playthrough #3. All companions at Veilguard rank. All factions at 3 stars Ghilan'nain kills Harding Emmrich went with jumpers. He is the one to disable the Venetori lock. Lives Bellara dealt with the contruct. She uses her magic to have it swing it's weapon into the structure. Lives Taash with the crows. Taash liked that. After the head mage was killed, Taash is made an honorary crow. Lives Davrin helped Morrigan. He has a nice killing scene against an antaam. Lives Neve did the wards. Taken by Elgar'nan. Lives. Because I romanced her, I got a romance scene after the ending Lucanis lives With what I've seen, it's safe to say if all factions are 3 stars and companions at Veilguard rank, all will survive. I'm currently doing a playthrough to do the least amount of stuff while having all companions survive.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 19, 2024 22:48:01 GMT
With what I've seen, it's safe to say if all factions are 3 stars and companions at Veilguard rank, all will survive. Not true - as I said above I had everyone at Hero of the Veilguard and all factions at Rank 3 and Bellara still died when I sent her to the barricades, so assigning people to incorrect jobs can still get them killed under some circumstances.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 19, 2024 22:54:54 GMT
With what I've seen, it's safe to say if all factions are 3 stars and companions at Veilguard rank, all will survive. Not true - as I said above I had everyone at Hero of the Veilguard and all factions at Rank 3 and Bellara still died when I sent her to the barricades, so assigning people to incorrect jobs can still get them killed under some circumstances. What I posted is true from what I've done in my playthroughs leading to the conclusion I came up with.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 20, 2024 1:24:39 GMT
With what I've seen, it's safe to say if all factions are 3 stars and companions at Veilguard rank, all will survive. Not true - as I said above I had everyone at Hero of the Veilguard and all factions at Rank 3 and Bellara still died when I sent her to the barricades, so assigning people to incorrect jobs can still get them killed under some circumstances. I quoted you again because you're right about Bellara. I will add Emmrich as well. I replayed that part a number of times. Sending Lucanis with the jumpers lead's to the death of Strife. I'm surprised they didn't have a hold the line mechanic. Meaning only have rook, 2 companions, and Bellara/Neve climb up while the others help Morrigan fight off the baddies.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 20, 2024 1:48:29 GMT
Not true - as I said above I had everyone at Hero of the Veilguard and all factions at Rank 3 and Bellara still died when I sent her to the barricades, so assigning people to incorrect jobs can still get them killed under some circumstances. I quoted you again because you're right about Bellara. I will add Emmrich as well. I replayed that part a number of times. Sending Lucanis with the jumpers lead's to the death of Strife. I'm surprised they didn't have a hold the line mechanic. Meaning only have rook, 2 companions, and Bellara/Neve climb up while the others help Morrigan fight off the baddies. I think how many goes with Bellara/Neve might impact if they survive at the end.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 20, 2024 2:34:06 GMT
I quoted you again because you're right about Bellara. I will add Emmrich as well. I replayed that part a number of times. Sending Lucanis with the jumpers lead's to the death of Strife. I'm surprised they didn't have a hold the line mechanic. Meaning only have rook, 2 companions, and Bellara/Neve climb up while the others help Morrigan fight off the baddies. I think how many goes with Bellara/Neve might impact if they survive at the end. Maybe. Where are those companions at the end when Neve/Bellara head towards the throne to use it?
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Post by azarhal on Nov 20, 2024 3:08:46 GMT
I think how many goes with Bellara/Neve might impact if they survive at the end. Maybe. Where are those companions at the end when Neve/Bellara head towards the throne to use it? Fighting darkspawns outside the throne room would be my guess.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 20, 2024 3:47:27 GMT
Maybe. Where are those companions at the end when Neve/Bellara head towards the throne to use it? Fighting darkspawns outside the throne room would be my guess. Yet rook cleared a path by taking out the blight boils and darkspawn before facing Elgar'nan. Surprising Inq and Morrigan didn't help them out before showing up to face solas.
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