The Carver Hawke Thread - Time to prove something!

I'm going to have one of my Hawke's die in DAI, and I also wonder how Carver would take it. I always am on the friendly path with him even if I am pro-mage in the game. I imagine he is quite distraught. There is a part of me that would like to see his reaction.

Iddy - That's what I also disliked about Carver. Those insults which he kept shouting when others fall. "Pet Elf" ? Really ? That was needed riiight ... or joke about height to Varric fall.
Not to mention this fear of losing Hawke was soooo ... weird. He hated Theresa. HATED her. And this ? Like really ?
What are you trying to be Carver ?? Fenris ?? Anders ??? Aveline ? Varric ??
You are not them, you can as easily go "Finally, it's pity that just now - too late for Bethany."

I may redirect you to read what I previously wrote about Theresa Hawke and Carver Hawke relation. You may see why I wrote that he hated her.
"Pet Elf" is insulting not to Hawke, only to Fenris. It's like calling elves animals, like Leliana back at Origins did to mine City Elf. Or even Dalish Elf too.
He should be happy that he never had the chance to say this to Eloise Hawke. She would kill him.

saberchic - I tried and failed with understanding Carver. At the end his hostality turned Theresa into someone who clearly can see that there is only blood which connects them - nothing else.
He got girlfriend this Peach from Lothering, Bethany never had boyfriend only friends slaughtered by Sten later.
Carver may be upset that Malcolm was spending time teaching Bethany and Theresa how to hide their magic, so he had only Leandra.
Bethany was his twin so he may feel bigger connection to her always.
I may see frustration but in time in game it was clear to me that it was something more. It was hate. Pure bred hate.
He hated her. Hated everything what she represented .. rivality is not something what fits in case of those two.
All what remains is hatred from Carver side to Theresa, and Theresa dissapointment and regret about him.
Two strangers under same surname - that's what they were.

I hope this is a more comprehensive chart for the Hawke family.

There are some people shipping Carver with Fenris. Do you guys like the idea?

I think you are forgetting that Hawke and Carver have history before you even play the game. There's already jealousy/resentment there. They definitely have a rivalry going on. And if you forgot that, I can see why you think Carver is being a jerk for no reason.


No one in the game. I don't like him with Merrill or Isabela. I hope he finds comfort in the arms of another warden--one who can understand him and appreciate him.

They have some history yes, and in this history Theresa did not change her personality as well. So again I have Carver big hating jerk to too-goodie Theresa.
What sort of history they may have ? Bitterness of Carver that Malcolm must teach his daughters all the time ? History of teasing Bethany and silently hating Thesesa for being FIRST reason of why Malcolm don't have time ? Hating her because she is older and in that order usually she is leading after Malcolm death ?
I do not forget their past. But their past is not so much different since both of them has their personality not changed

Yeah that one further proves that he actually HATES her for just existing. If it wasn't her he would hate his twin instead.
I did all quests for Carver and all he did was again proving me how much he hates Theresa in general. Tried to help him to deal with his issues ? Finding Sir Carver mentions ?
Nah, nothing good from him when she gave this to him.
I PLAYED diplomatic Hawke ! That was exacly too-goodie Theresa.
And all I watched was like "And so what ? I was named after templar ? Are you try to mock me here ? Templars in mage family ... good joke" from him.
I listened to him and yet he show over and over how ungratefull he is, whatever she did for him he only wanted to react hostile. So at the very end I stopped trying.
He doesn't want be in friendly terms with Theresa. He hates her.
If a woman give up on trying that means serious situation. In case of Theresa it was major disspointment leading to wish that Carver would NOT BE her relative at all.
For best of those two. Malcolm died, Bethany died, Leandra died. She had nobody except for Carver.
And he hates her so much that he decided to go fully Sir Carver from Templar Order, when she was concerned about what will happen TO HIM if templars will learn that Carver hides his apostate sister he only accused her about thinking about herself only. He never doubt that she would be concerned at all about him, that's how poor he knew her.
Two strangers under the same surname that's who they were.
In the end of playtrought I had like 85% rivality with him.

He wanted to be Templar, but he's not so happy with his decision.

Yes. I just like Templar Carver for more dramatic situation. (And becoming Templar is his choice, becoming Warden is and "accident") I have both, and I like both.

@ saberchic - That talk actually is useless - we won't get to any point of agreement.
You may justify Carver being hating jerk. I cannot for entire years justify this. Not that I didn't tried. I tried be good sister to him, I tried to prove him that I care.
But overall his reactions, accusations, bitterness and overall hostility just made Theresa sure that all her effort was useless.
He didn't care to make any agreement, he didn't show that he would care. He never considered that she cared too.
She tried to show him that she care, but he was too blinded with hatred to not think that any favor for him which she has done wasn't some sort of sick mockery. I believe he was thinking that she mock him all the time about how he cannot do this by himself.
In the end she just waited for him to finally make confession about how he feel that it wasn't right that Bethany died there not Theresa instead.
Just like she has waited for him at battlefield to finally stand against her as Sir Carver from Templar Order, not Carver Hawke.

It's matter of role play in this game. Perhaps in your case it's justified to be jerk over and over and over for years, but for me this is something far well too wrong to be jerk entire life to your relatives.

I may also put this here as well since we speak about Carver still.
No matter which Hawke I played Carver was always acting rude to them. No matter if I played Rogue archer Eloise or dual wielding daggers Christian.
It didn't matter. And both of them Eloise and Christian doesn't have reason like "Malcolm was spending time with them but not with me." since they wasn't mages.
But Carver was rude to them as well. For what reason ? If we speak about life in Lothering then what reason may Carver have to be rude to older siblings if they weren't mages ?
What he would be rival to Eloise because she was better archer than he is ? He is a warrior, so she is weak in using big swords. This is not reason to be rival.
Christian would may be rivals with Carver since those were brothers but really ? Christian was joking-aggresive mostly but he wasn't rude to mother or sister.
Why he would care to mock Carver ? That one does not fit him at all.
Since Carver dies in their scenario his behave doesn't make itself huge problem in their game, but still was very weird.