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Post by danielhungary on Nov 8, 2016 11:02:18 GMT
Topic. The Yhag, Shadow Broker how is that possible that he does not know anything about the Andromeda Initiative Project ? And how is that civilians can initiate a huge Project that might even bigger than the Cerberus ? How is that possible that the Illusive Man does not know anything about the AI ?
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 11:41:12 GMT
It's not.
It's a retcon because that's the only way they found to continue a extremely successful franchise that is Mass Effect.
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Post by sl4ter on Nov 8, 2016 12:21:45 GMT
Maybe they did. I saw some speculations on Twitter, saying that the Ark crashed in the trailer because Cerberus infiltrated them. We don't even know what's going on yet. So why assume they didn't have information?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 8, 2016 12:31:20 GMT
In some leak from a year ago some guy said he saw a gameplay demo where one shuttle had the Cerberus logo on it, but speculated it was placeholder. I'm assuming it is, because I really don't want more to do with Cerberus. It's not in the "Man, I hate them, they're such scumbags" way, it's more that as a constant of the series they're a complete joke I feel.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 8, 2016 12:40:08 GMT
I don't understands everybody's need to point out that X person or X organization SHOULD know about this project. Of course should they had known about it, IF it had been planned from the beginning. But we all know that ME:A was made because they wanted to escape from ME3 (and make money) so of course there will be things that is not making perfect sense. Why can't people just be happy that we got SOMETHING instead of cutting everything apart? (Even before we have the full story)
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Post by azarhal on Nov 8, 2016 12:41:33 GMT
Topic. The Yhag, Shadow Broker how is that possible that he does not know anything about the Andromeda Initiative Project ? And how is that civilians can initiate a huge Project that might even bigger than the Cerberus ? How is that possible that the Illusive Man does not know anything about the AI ? Just because nobody in the Shepard trilogy mentioned something that started in 1276, had no military relation and left while Shepard was clinically dead (or avoiding that part of the Galaxy) it doesn't mean it wasn't happening. TV news rarely mention the large sciences and construction projects being made on Earth right now, why would it be different in the even larger galaxy anyway? Also, Cerberus itself is financed by wealthy individuals (like Miranda's father) and there is nothing anywhere that suggest the Andromeda Initiative is bigger than Cerberus.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2016 12:45:10 GMT
TIM may of known. He may of even helped fund the project.
The broker may of known as well.
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Post by corpusdei on Nov 8, 2016 12:51:17 GMT
TIM may of known. He may of even helped fund the project. The broker may of known as well. HAVEI'm really, really, really sorry - that's a pet hate
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2016 12:57:08 GMT
TIM may of known. He may of even helped fund the project. The broker may of known as well. HAVEI'm really, really, really sorry - that's a pet hateI'm not too worried I used the incorrect word.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 16:29:54 GMT
I used to say that if Cerberus was back in Andromeda I'd at least enjoy seeing the BSN's reaction, but I don't think it'll be as much fun here.
I hope to not hear that name in Andromeda, but unfortunately, it is possible that people like TIM and the Broker knew about it, and it might fit TIM's character to send infiltrate some operatives there.
Given the devs...fascination with Cerberus, I won't exclude the possibility to see some of them in Andromeda. Though it should be noted that it seems they want to stay far as was from the trilogy's plots as possible.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 8, 2016 17:51:50 GMT
The broker knew but was unconcerned. He figured it was either doomed to fail or even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter to his operations. It's not like he could've made use of it, a Yahg would be hard to miss. As lifeboats go, he probably had his own plans.
TIM might've known but would be arrogant enought to see it as running away/a waste of time. He was so sure he could control the Reapers, leaving never even entered his mind. Sending some operatives aboard to plant the seeds of Cerberus is a likely possibility though.
Edit: whoops, forgot about Hock. He was just a gun runner, fairly well off, but no evidence that he was a galactic player. Criminals were unlikely to be told about the arks.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Nov 8, 2016 18:14:08 GMT
It's not. It's a retcon because that's the only way they found to continue a extremely successful franchise that is Mass Effect. I'm inclined to believe this. If BioWare wanted to justify it they'd probably just say that the people/groups listed in the OP wrote the whole thing off as a suicide mission and didn't take it seriously, thus it was never worth mentioning.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 8, 2016 18:25:28 GMT
While it's pretty obvious that this is a case of a new narrative made to escape the old one, if the Illusive Man knew about the Ark Initiative or even had an active role in its progress, would he really want to tell Shepard? After all, his endgame is siezing control over the reapers' technology. Fleeing to Andromeda certainly wouldn't accomplish that.
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Post by LFS on Nov 8, 2016 18:49:56 GMT
The broker knew but was unconcerned. He figured it was either doomed to fail or even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter to his operations. You know, maybe that's just it; maybe the Andromeda Initiative is like Mars One or Asgardia with lofty ideas, and just enough convincing data and research to secure some wacked-out investors, but most people don't really actually believe that it's anything more than a cult or a scam so they didn't give a shit about it... And then...
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 8, 2016 19:17:06 GMT
It's not. It's a retcon because that's the only way they found to continue a extremely successful franchise that is Mass Effect. Just because it's one of the only ways to continue the series without choosing a canon ending, doesn't make it a retcon by default: there was no mention of this initiative prior to this, so now different interpretation of an existing canon event is necessary: this is additional lore. This initiative may have various mysterious reasons and intentions behind it: we don't know everything yet, obviously. It's definitely not a direct act of fleeing from the Reapers, but I'm fine with that: the galaxy is a big place and the fact that Liara/Yhargy/Hock/TIM hadn't mentioned it to Shepard, does not mean it couldn't of been a 'thing' that was definitely happening, and they may have hands in it...we'll see I guess (I'm thinking TIM and Liara both knew things). I see people saying that Shepard should have full knowledge of this non-military venture: but why would he? He had his own stuff to deal with between ME1 and ME2's conclusion (like coming back from the dead): plus we didn't know him prior to ME1, he may well have known all about it back then and has dismissed the knowledge as 'silly hipster explorers' or the like, lol.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 19:22:17 GMT
It's not. It's a retcon because that's the only way they found to continue a extremely successful franchise that is Mass Effect. Just because it's one of the only ways to continue the series without choosing a canon ending, doesn't make it a retcon by default: there was no mention of this initiative prior to this, so now different interpretation of an existing canon event is necessary: this is additional lore. This initiative may have various mysterious reasons and intentions behind it: we don't know everything yet, obviously. It's definitely not a direct act of fleeing from the Reapers, but I'm fine with that: the galaxy is a big place and the fact that Liara/Yhargy/Hock/TIM hadn't mentioned it to Shepard, does not mean it couldn't of been a 'thing' that was definitely happening, and they may have hands in it...we'll see I guess (I'm thinking TIM and Liara both knew things). I see people saying that Shepard should have full knowledge of this non-military venture: but why would he? He had his own stuff to deal with between ME1 and ME2's conclusion (like coming back from the dead): plus we didn't know him prior to ME1, he may well have known all about it back then and has dismissed the knowledge as 'silly hipster explorers' or the like, lol. It's not a retcon because no one mentioned it (although that is obviously a telling), it's a retcon because the stablished ME lore make it impossible (not to mention it makes no sense, it's like going to Alpha Centauri before going to Mars).
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Post by MrR40 on Nov 8, 2016 19:26:33 GMT
While it's pretty obvious that this is a case of a new narrative made to escape the old one, if the Illusive Man knew about the Ark Initiative or even had an active role in its progress, would he really want to tell Shepard? After all, his endgame is siezing control over the reapers' technology. Fleeing to Andromeda certainly wouldn't accomplish that. In 2185 which is after ME1 , TIM might not have yet had the idea of controlling the Reapers. His goal might at first have been revenge followed by human supremacy. After the Reaper assault on the Citadel it became protecting humanity at any cost. Halfway ME 2 he might have adjusted it to human galactic dominance. TIM would always have had a back up plan or two and the Andromeda Initiative might have been one of them. Putting Terra Firma and/or Cerberus members on the Arks to ensure human survival. And even could have simply done a Kael'Thas and say " The Milky Way galaxy was only a setback " and board the Ark as an ultimate back up plan. ( implausible as it may seem ) Note : wild conjecture
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 9, 2016 2:39:41 GMT
I like the way you think MrR40
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Post by goishen on Nov 9, 2016 2:45:21 GMT
Topic. The Yhag, Shadow Broker how is that possible that he does not know anything about the Andromeda Initiative Project ? And how is that civilians can initiate a huge Project that might even bigger than the Cerberus ? How is that possible that the Illusive Man does not know anything about the AI ? It's not retcon and it's not that they didn't know. First off, you have to ask yourself why they would even give a shit? "Okay, we're leaving for Andromeda now! Bye guys!" TIM & SB : *waits until they're gone* *in unison* Idiots. *high fives each other*
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 9, 2016 2:50:38 GMT
It's definitely not a direct act of fleeing from the Reapers, I don't see how you can claim that. Frankly that's the only motivation that makes sense apart from contact from Andromeda prompting the trip. We won't know the full story until the game comes out though. It's not a retcon because no one mentioned it (although that is obviously a telling), it's a retcon because the stablished ME lore make it impossible (not to mention it makes no sense, it's like going to Alpha Centauri before going to Mars). Except that's not true and you have several people across multiple threads telling you exactly how it could work, and answering any objection with pure off the cuff speculation. That alone should prove it's not impossible. If you can't or won't accept that, that's a different matter.
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Post by goishen on Nov 9, 2016 2:54:24 GMT
It's definitely not a direct act of fleeing from the Reapers, I don't see how you can claim that. Frankly that's the only motivation that makes sense apart from contact from Andromeda prompting the trip. We won't know the full story until the game comes out though. One of the tweets said this, I believe. Can't recall which one.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 9, 2016 3:03:06 GMT
It's definitely not a direct act of fleeing from the Reapers, I don't see how you can claim that. Frankly that's the only motivation that makes sense apart from contact from Andromeda prompting the trip. We won't know the full story until the game comes out though. The project started in 2176, so it is unlikely to be Reaper related when Jien Garson decided to do that crazy mission (dev also confirmed it wasn't Reaper related). The fact that it launched in 2185 is either a coincidence or the Andromeda Initiative received massive resources increase by the Council races after 2183 (aka ME1) without much information as to their reasons for it.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 9, 2016 3:10:02 GMT
It's definitely not a direct act of fleeing from the Reapers, I don't see how you can claim that. Frankly that's the only motivation that makes sense apart from contact from Andromeda prompting the trip. We won't know the full story until the game comes out though. It's not a retcon because no one mentioned it (although that is obviously a telling), it's a retcon because the stablished ME lore make it impossible (not to mention it makes no sense, it's like going to Alpha Centauri before going to Mars). Except that's not true and you have several people across multiple threads telling you exactly how it could work, and answering any objection with pure off the cuff speculation. That alone should prove it's not impossible. If you can't or won't accept that, that's a different matter. Oh my bad what I meant was a direct act as in a tangible one: like when the Reapers invade a year later. I most definitely think in my heart that the exodus is perhaps expedited due to the pending Reaper invasion; or just the general bad vibe in the Milky Way
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 9, 2016 3:30:17 GMT
I don't see how you can claim that. Frankly that's the only motivation that makes sense apart from contact from Andromeda prompting the trip. We won't know the full story until the game comes out though. One of the tweets said this, I believe. Can't recall which one. I sincerely hope that was a misrepresentation or outright lie. The Reaper threat is the best justification for leaving. I can think of another one but it's not as good or at least it'll take a lot more to make it believable. But if they do go with "welp, we're just going to Andromeda now kthnksbye" and leave it at that, then the naysayers are right and Bioware fucked up massively. Again. With the answer right in front of them. Again. The project started in 2176, so it is unlikely to be Reaper related when Jien Garson decided to do that crazy mission (dev also confirmed it wasn't Reaper related). The fact that it launched in 2185 is either a coincidence or the Andromeda Initiative received massive resources increase by the Council races after 2183 (aka ME1) without much information as to their reasons for it. The project may have started in a different form and gained more traction and new meaning, even a new scope once the Sovereign crisis happened. Alternatively, the project leaders may have run into their own early warning like Jack Harper did before them. Now I do want to see this alleged dev confirmation. I'm genuinely worried.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 9, 2016 6:02:31 GMT
They said that on tweet as well, though when asked if there might be a secret reason. The timeframe doesn't give too much room though. But It's just my opinion. I don't think though that the Reaper were the perfect plot to follow up with the Andromeda project. It makes more sense because there's a threat forcing us to go there, bit it'd have given the project too little time to build their massive ships and Nexus. The reapers might have been a motivation that Came up later, but if this a true it's likely we won't find out until we play.
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