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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 8, 2016 17:28:21 GMT
Hear me out.
Why would Quarians want to travel 600 years away from their homeworld when they've spent 300 years trying to get it back? And they are stubborn as all hell.
Geth don't "want" anything and are considered extremely dangerous. They're under the control of the reapers at the time the ARKS left.
The end.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 17:29:45 GMT
Andromeda doesn't follow any logic. So if they want Quarians and Geth there they will be there.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 8, 2016 17:35:17 GMT
Andromeda doesn't follow any logic. So if they want Quarians and Geth there they will be there. I get that, but mostly I'm posting because people on twitter are whining "What about Geth?" "What about Quarians?" It would make zero sense for them to come.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 17:37:12 GMT
If the only thing being told to several dozens of quarians (how many do you need to prevent genetic abnormalities from inbreeding?) is that they are going on an a one way exploration trip, then no I doubt that many would be willing to sign up. Exiles might, but they tend to be portrayed as undesirable or psychopathic individuals (two are mentioned, in dlc and novel, as serial killers). I don't think several dozens abandon their pilgrimage and never return home. If too few go, then they will eventually go extinct in Andromeda. What's the point? We'll see!
I'd be more surprised that species in close contact with the Council species and that have embassies might not be there. Hanar and their drell clients, elcor, and the volus are cliented to turians.
Don't a lot of vorcha tag along with krogan?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 8, 2016 17:37:19 GMT
Hear me out.
Why would Quarians want to travel 600 years away from their homeworld when they've spent 300 years trying to get it back? And they are stubborn as all hell.
Geth don't "want" anything and are considered extremely dangerous. They're under the control of the reapers at the time the ARKS left.
The end.
Not all quarians think alike? Do all humans think alike? Geth want to achieve their own future. How they do this may differ. They are not under control of the Reapers at all, if you remember, the majority of geth, the True Geth, rejected Sovereign. It was only the heretics that followed it and even then, Sovereign wasn't controlling them, they were worshipping it. So there's many possibilities. One of them might be a third faction splitting from the geth, one that wants to go on the Arks. They would be allowed to leave, just like the heretics were. Why would they want to leave? For the same reason as organics, they recognize the old machines will return and that geth can't claim their future if they're nonfunctional. A deal could be struck with the organics for assistance with the ark in return for passage and leaving the geth to their own devices once there. Indeed you could make a good case that all geth might be amenable as they are not particularly attached to Rannoch or anything in the Milky Way. Obviously, the bulk of them stay... or do they? Maybe the reason the quarians won so easily in ME3 before the Reapers showed up was because a large part of the geth had already left. So no, it's not at all impossible or even unlikely that geth and quarians made the trip. In fact it's preferable as they are the best suited to actually run the arks. Geth because they're AI and can run things while the meatbags sleep, and quarians because they're the best suited to the nomad life. Of course Bioware may ignore this on some half-baked excuse but what else is new?
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 8, 2016 17:39:49 GMT
Hear me out.
Why would Quarians want to travel 600 years away from their homeworld when they've spent 300 years trying to get it back? And they are stubborn as all hell.
Geth don't "want" anything and are considered extremely dangerous. They're under the control of the reapers at the time the ARKS left.
The end.
Not all quarians think alike? Do all humans think alike? Geth want to achieve their own future. How they do this may differ. They are not under control of the Reapers at all, if you remember, the majority of geth, the True Geth, rejected Sovereign. It was only the heretics that followed it and even then, Sovereign wasn't controlling them, they were worshipping it. So there's many possibilities. One of them might be a third faction splitting from the geth, one that wants to go on the Arks. They would be allowed to leave, just like the heretics were. Why would they want to leave? For the same reason as organics, they recognize the old machines will return and that get can't claim their future if they're nonfunctional. A deal could be struck with the organics for assistance with the ark in return for passage and leaving the geth to their own devices once there. So no, it's not at all impossible or even unlikely that geth and quarians made the trip. In fact it's preferable as they are the best suited to actually run the arks. Geth because they're AI and can run things while the meatbags sleep, and quarians because they're the best suited to the nomad life. Of course Bioware may ignore this on some half-baked excuse but what else is new? Interesting viewpoint! See, this is why I started this thread. Let's get the fors and againsts going!
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 17:39:55 GMT
Andromeda doesn't follow any logic. So if they want Quarians and Geth there they will be there. Some things doesn't seem to follow logic (and probably won't). We have no clue on plenty of things. And just because some things don't follow logic doesn't mean even more things shouldn't.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 17:40:21 GMT
Andromeda doesn't follow any logic. So if they want Quarians and Geth there they will be there. I get that, but mostly I'm posting because people on twitter are whining "What about Geth?" "What about Quarians?" It would make zero sense for them to come. This reminds me of a quote from Abaddon's Gate: "The problem with living with miracles was that they made everything seem plausible." Point being, the Arks make zero sense. And so, as a consequence, everything else that would make zero sense is plausible. What will determine what races will be in Andromeda is not logic or reason, but popularity and the developers' preference.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 17:40:27 GMT
I think there will still be a few quarians, because their vociferous fans would throw a fit if there weren't any. Besides, it isn't all that implausible that a small number could be recruited to be part of a unique experience like this one. There are always those few quarians who just don't feel as beholden to the Fleet as most, and others who could be swayed by the chance to work on those arks.
The Geth should not be involved at all, obviously. They are still "the enemy", at this point in history, having made peaceful contact with not a single organic, as of yet. There is no way they could possibly be involved in this project. (Legion tells us as much, and he is not mistaken. He is in regular contact with the consensus, and is the lone platform of "true Geth" beyond the Veil.) As of 2185, the Geth are known for two things: seizing Rannoch and attacking Eden Prime and the Citadel. Any non-hostile interaction, let alone an alliance, would be a massive, strange retcon that would cheapen the entire Rannoch storyline.
I am definitely okay with neither being present. I value story over fanboyism. If something shouldn't be there, I don't want it in the game. We will have to swallow a few pills to move the story to Andromeda, but we don't have to get stupid about everything.
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Post by lezio on Nov 8, 2016 17:41:47 GMT
Not all geths were under the control of Sovereign, as ME2 showed.
As for the quarians, their presence could be easily explained by saying that some of them simply left the flottilla behind, be it voluntarily or because of exile, and tried to settle elsewhere, creating their own culture and identity different from that of the ones we met in the trilogy
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Nov 8, 2016 17:43:19 GMT
I agree. I don't think Quarians have enough people to spare for this initiative. No way they'd weaken their fleet of both manpower and ships for some long shot jump to another galaxy. Geth... I just don't care about the Geth. Hopefully some species in Andromeda will fit their dynamics.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 17:47:11 GMT
From the books we know not all quarians wanted to retake their homeworld but instead find a new planet, they were even sending ships on deep space missions for that end. So i wouldn't find it hard to believe that some of them would like to travel with the arks.
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Post by saberchic on Nov 8, 2016 17:48:10 GMT
I think we'll see quarians, not a lot but some. Remember, there is a lot of prejudice against them, so I don't really see them being invited formally to come along. In the trilogy Tali makes a point of saying how some people never come back from their pilgrimages. And I could definitely see some quarians taking a chance on the AI program if it meant finding a better place for their people. After all, the Initiative is supposed to eventually become an entry point for the MW civilizations. Also, I'm sure there are quarians out there who like adventure. I think eventually they'll show something, but not now.
As for the geth, well... others have stated pretty good facts already. I like the geth, but at this particular time, it would make no sense for them to be in the game.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 17:49:59 GMT
If quarians are in, they'll be most likely around Turians in their Ark, since they're the only known race in MW that need to find different type of planets from the rest.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 17:53:23 GMT
If quarians are in, they'll be most likely around Turians in their Ark, since they're the only known race in MW that need to find different type of planets from the rest. Speaking of who is with who. Indeed quarians would make sense to be inside the Turian Ark because of the food. But what about the krogans? Pretty sure they aren't with the turians or the salarians (considering the timeline). So that would leave either the asari ou human Ark.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Nov 8, 2016 17:56:56 GMT
It wouldn't make any sense for Geth and Vorcha to be allowed on board.
Batarian possibly.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 17:57:51 GMT
If quarians are in, they'll be most likely around Turians in their Ark, since they're the only known race in MW that need to find different type of planets from the rest. Speaking of who is with who. Indeed quarians would make sense to be inside the Turian Ark because of the food. But what about the krogans? Pretty sure they aren't with the turians or the salarians (considering the timeline). So that would leave either the asari ou human Ark. Yeah, agreed. They would definitely not be with the other two.
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Post by lezio on Nov 8, 2016 18:04:35 GMT
Speaking of who is with who. Indeed quarians would make sense to be inside the Turian Ark because of the food. But what about the krogans? Pretty sure they aren't with the turians or the salarians (considering the timeline). So that would leave either the asari ou human Ark. Yeah, agreed. They would definitely not be with the other two. Asari, probably. Krogans don't seem to be as hostile to them as they are to salarians and turians (wonder why ), and i'm quite sure any asari matriarch/commando could handle an enraged krogan way better than the average turian/human soldier
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 8, 2016 18:07:07 GMT
No Quarians?
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 8, 2016 18:08:03 GMT
I think there will still be a few quarians, because their vociferous fans would throw a fit if there weren't any. But what if Bioware just wants to see the internet burn? Well, in the end it's all about how much resources they are ready to spend remaking old species instead of making new ones.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2016 18:08:42 GMT
If there's going to be quarians in the game, I wouldn't mind having a couple like Xen and Kal'Reegar
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 8, 2016 18:17:03 GMT
The quarians wouldn't be a huge stretch. Aside from never being a hostile faction, even just a handful that decided not to return from their pilgrimage or even exiles would be enough to provide some quarian characters. The geth are an obvious group to omit. They are never a friendly faction unless you spare them on Rannoch.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 18:20:01 GMT
I think there will still be a few quarians, because their vociferous fans would throw a fit if there weren't any. But what if Bioware just wants to see the internet burn? Well, in the end it's all about how much resources they are ready to spend remaking old species instead of making new ones. BioWare employs fire ecology: watches internet burn, encourages new growth in Andromeda. I like it.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 18:29:35 GMT
If quarians are in, they'll be most likely around Turians in their Ark, since they're the only known race in MW that need to find different type of planets from the rest. Speaking of who is with who. Indeed quarians would make sense to be inside the Turian Ark because of the food. But what about the krogans? Pretty sure they aren't with the turians or the salarians (considering the timeline). So that would leave either the asari ou human Ark. I'd be surprised if we don't have Krogan aboard Hyperion and the Asari ark. We appear to get a Krogan squaddie fairly early, if the previously shown dev footage still applies. When PeeBee (hope those are initials) is seemingly first discovered, a blade pops into view by her head. It's pretty clearly the bayonet from our Krogan squaddie's weapon. It's a very distinctive blade. That implies he's recruited first. As much as PeeBee has been advertised, I suspect she'll arrive fairly early. A Krogan has also been seen alongside Alec Ryder in Andromeda, making it seem even more likely that they traveled with us. Again, many things change, including in-game timelines. Still, based upon both the above and lore based logic, I think Krogan will travel with the Asari and human contingents. I suspect a few quarians will likely be along, needed or not. They'd most easily and logically travel with the Turians, but they'd be helpful aboard any ark.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 18:31:44 GMT
I hope both the Quarians and the Geth, and all the races of the Milky Way really, come along with us. There is no good reason for any to be left behind, but especially for these two it makes a ton of sense to bring both, since no race knows ships and technology like those two. Plus it would allow us to see new sides to them both, with the Quarians thinking of things other than getting Rannoch back or even finding a home world since they will have found one and Geth being a part of a galactic society as equals for the first time in their history. For those who love how the ME2 Geth were over the ME3 Geth, it would also be a chance for them to be like that again.
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