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Post by Gileadan on Nov 8, 2016 18:33:26 GMT
Hear me out.
Why would Quarians want to travel 600 years away from their homeworld when they've spent 300 years trying to get it back? And they are stubborn as all hell.
Geth don't "want" anything and are considered extremely dangerous. They're under the control of the reapers at the time the ARKS left.
The end.
Why would anyone travel for 600 years if the Milky Way has over 100 billion star systems of which likely only a tiny fraction has been explored and/or claimed? We could just cryo-store people and send them to star systems without a relay within the Milky Way.
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Post by fruitster on Nov 8, 2016 18:35:19 GMT
I hope we do see the Geth and Quarians in some capacity in Andromeda - Batarians too. Bring everyone in fact, even Vorcha
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 18:38:00 GMT
I hope both the Quarians and the Geth, and all the races of the Milky Way really, come along with us. There is no good reason for any to be left behind, but especially for these two it makes a ton of sense to bring both, since no race knows ships and technology like those two. Plus it would allow us to see new sides to them both, with the Quarians thinking of things other than getting Rannoch back or even finding a home world since they will have found one and Geth being a part of a galactic society as equals for the first time in their history. For those who love how the ME2 Geth were over the ME3 Geth, it would also be a chance for them to be like that again. With the arks departing before the Geth made peaceful contact with organics, how would you justify their involvement? Legion gave way too much highly specific information to suggest that other platforms were off building bridges as it was. Additionally, people clearly thought Shepard was borderline insane for trusting the Geth in every circumstance in which it came up (which were admittedly few, outside the quarians and crew.) The galaxy does not trust the geth. Their only experience with them is the Morning War and the Geth War of 2183. In 2185, there is no grounds for a relationship. You're okay with retconning this, when you've complained about even the hint of any other breaks from lore?
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 8, 2016 18:39:51 GMT
I think we'll see a few Quarians who've gone their separate ways from the fleet. Geth, on the other hand, I can't find a reason why they would be on the arks other than some Orthodox Geth infiltrators sneaked on board in a crate or something.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 18:40:15 GMT
I think there are low chances of every species be in Andromeda though. They avoided one of the major problems in leaving someone behind by making the project separate from the Reapers' threat. I do hope we'Il get more then the confirmed 5.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 8, 2016 18:40:21 GMT
Andromeda doesn't follow any logic. So if they want Quarians and Geth there they will be there. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I really doubt the Gs and the Qs will be in Andromeda. Flynn said "...only those races that pitched in were taken along..."
Does anyone think that prior to 2185 the Gs and the Qs pitched in with Jen Garson's private ( from the briefing video) Andromeda Initiative? I can see the Council races do it. They at least have the tech and the private funds to pitch in. The Qs are living in a dilapidated fleet and the Gs have other interests.
On the other hand, I have no clue how the Krogans pitched in....
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 8, 2016 18:41:39 GMT
It wouldn't make any sense for Geth and Vorcha to be allowed on board. Batarian possibly. Batarians ought to hijack the Hyperion -- maybe that's why it's lost! I tell you, these stories just write themselves.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 8, 2016 18:42:38 GMT
With the arks departing before the Geth made peaceful contact with organics, how would you justify their involvement? Legion gave way too much highly specific information to suggest that other platforms were off building bridges as it was. Additionally, people clearly thought Shepard was borderline insane for trusting the Geth in every circumstance in which it came up (which were admittedly few, outside the quarians and crew.) The galaxy does not trust the geth. Their only experience with them is the Morning War and the Geth War of 2183. In 2185, there is no grounds for a relationship. You're okay with retconning this, when you've complained about even the hint of any other breaks from lore? Again, not impossible that a third faction split and made contact with the AI people. Legion wouldn't know what they've been up to any more than the heretics. And since they've already left by the time it talks to Shepard, why bring it up?
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 8, 2016 18:43:41 GMT
I hope both the Quarians and the Geth, and all the races of the Milky Way really, come along with us. There is no good reason for any to be left behind, but especially for these two it makes a ton of sense to bring both, since no race knows ships and technology like those two. Plus it would allow us to see new sides to them both, with the Quarians thinking of things other than getting Rannoch back or even finding a home world since they will have found one and Geth being a part of a galactic society as equals for the first time in their history. For those who love how the ME2 Geth were over the ME3 Geth, it would also be a chance for them to be like that again. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Jen said she founded the Andromeda Initiative (from the briefing video). The project is privately funded. Then there are only four ARKs and the Nexus. If there are more than the four major races, expect to see them as NPCs.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 18:46:40 GMT
Andromeda doesn't follow any logic. So if they want Quarians and Geth there they will be there. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I really doubt the Gs and the Qs will be in Andromeda. Flynn said "...only those races that pitched in were taken along..."
Does anyone think that prior to 2185 the Gs and the Qs pitched in with Jen Garson's private ( from the briefing video) Andromeda Initiative? I can see the Council races do it. They at least have the tech and the private funds to pitch in. The Qs are living in a dilapidated fleet and the Gs have other interests.
On the other hand, I have no clue how the Krogans pitched in....
Krogan are muscle. They are the most powerful soldiers by far in the galaxy, and can survive on hostile worlds much more easily than the other species. It was worthwhile to bring some Krogan. A case can be made for some quarians, but it's iffy. They do have some of the most advanced tech in the galaxy. Not all of their fleet is dilapidated junk. Still, their best and brightest aren't going to leave the Fleet to colonize Andromeda. You can only make a case for a smattering of quarian engineers and specialists who made the trip for their own reasons; or a small faction of the Fleet who believed joining the Turian ark was their best bet at finding a new dextro homeworld.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 18:47:35 GMT
I hope both the Quarians and the Geth, and all the races of the Milky Way really, come along with us. There is no good reason for any to be left behind, but especially for these two it makes a ton of sense to bring both, since no race knows ships and technology like those two. Plus it would allow us to see new sides to them both, with the Quarians thinking of things other than getting Rannoch back or even finding a home world since they will have found one and Geth being a part of a galactic society as equals for the first time in their history. For those who love how the ME2 Geth were over the ME3 Geth, it would also be a chance for them to be like that again. With the arks departing before the Geth made peaceful contact with organics, how would you justify their involvement? Legion gave way too much highly specific information to suggest that other platforms were off building bridges as it was. Additionally, people clearly thought Shepard was borderline insane for trusting the Geth in every circumstance in which it came up (which were admittedly few, outside the quarians and crew.) The galaxy does not trust the geth. Their only experience with them is the Morning War and the Geth War of 2183. In 2185, there is no grounds for a relationship. You're okay with retconning this, when you've complained about even the hint of any other breaks from lore? Hey, if Bioware is retconning everything anyway they may as well retcon something that goes my way for a change. In all seriousness, there are ways they can explain that without retconning. For example even if the AI is not a secret, Geth involvement could be since as you said they weren't seen as friends at the time. So some deal could have been made where the Geth help and those Geth can come along, and in exchange their involvement is kept secret to avoid both political blowback for the project and reprisals on the helpful Geth, especially in the last couple years. Thus when Legion is talking to Shepard, he keeps his fellows existence secret. After all Legion may trust Shepard a lot, but he doesn't tell us everything. Plus he may not consider them Geth just like he doesn't the Heretics, so he is technically being honest still.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 18:49:45 GMT
With the arks departing before the Geth made peaceful contact with organics, how would you justify their involvement? Legion gave way too much highly specific information to suggest that other platforms were off building bridges as it was. Additionally, people clearly thought Shepard was borderline insane for trusting the Geth in every circumstance in which it came up (which were admittedly few, outside the quarians and crew.) The galaxy does not trust the geth. Their only experience with them is the Morning War and the Geth War of 2183. In 2185, there is no grounds for a relationship. You're okay with retconning this, when you've complained about even the hint of any other breaks from lore? Again, not impossible that a third faction split and made contact with the AI people. Legion wouldn't know what they've been up to any more than the heretics. And since they've already left by the time it talks to Shepard, why bring it up? They could write this; but do you think this is a good idea? They can write whatever they want to write, but the internal logic of the story needs to support it. It needs to "feel right". If it starts setting off peoples' BS detectors, it's a bad idea.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Nov 8, 2016 18:49:50 GMT
The Quarians weren't monolithic. Not all of them wanted to retake their homeworld. Out of, what, 17 million Quarians you don't think any of them would be interested in traveling to another galaxy?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 18:51:29 GMT
I hope both the Quarians and the Geth, and all the races of the Milky Way really, come along with us. There is no good reason for any to be left behind, but especially for these two it makes a ton of sense to bring both, since no race knows ships and technology like those two. Plus it would allow us to see new sides to them both, with the Quarians thinking of things other than getting Rannoch back or even finding a home world since they will have found one and Geth being a part of a galactic society as equals for the first time in their history. For those who love how the ME2 Geth were over the ME3 Geth, it would also be a chance for them to be like that again. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Jen said she founded the Andromeda Initiative (from the briefing video). The project is privately funded. Then there are only four ARKs and the Nexus. If there are more than the four major races, expect to see them as NPCs.
Oh yeah, I don't expect to see every Milky Way race play a huge role in the game. Them being NPCs is perfectly fine. In MEA they don't even need to actually show up, but just have it said in the game or the Codex that all came along since that way later if they want Bioware can bring them in without retconning things.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 18:52:13 GMT
It makes little sense to have Krogan when they can't even own battle ships and their central government is pretty much in ruins (only getting a bit better with Wrex in command) but not other species like the Quarians or the Volus (the galactic bankers).
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 18:55:19 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Jen said she founded the Andromeda Initiative (from the briefing video). The project is privately funded. Then there are only four ARKs and the Nexus. If there are more than the four major races, expect to see them as NPCs.
Oh yeah, I don't expect to see every Milky Way race play a huge role in the game. Them being NPCs is perfectly fine. In MEA they don't even need to actually show up, but just have it said in the game or the Codex that all came along since that way later if they want Bioware can bring them in without retconning things. This is important. They have to be careful to not permanently "write out" species and later regret it. Did any drell mingle amongst the Hyperion ark? Maybe it's better not to say, so that 6 years down the road, no one can gainsay your drell NPC who claims he came aboard Hyperion.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 19:03:33 GMT
It makes little sense to have Krogan when they can't even own battle ships and their central government is pretty much in ruins (only getting a bit better with Wrex in command) but not other species like the Quarians or the Volus (the galactic bankers). Based upon the info we've been given, this isn't a "set up a new civilization" effort. They are going to establish a foothold in a resource-rich sector of Andromeda. They are supposed to setup the means for future travel to and from the Milky Way. The Volus will (in numbers) come later, when the credits start flowing. Regardless, the Krogan are the best warriors in the galaxy. Hiring or recruiting a large number of Krogan when going into unknown, potentially hostile environments is good thinking. They are both more fierce and more robust than any other crew you could field.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 19:10:21 GMT
Regardless, the Krogan are the best warriors in the galaxy. Hiring or recruting a large number of Krogan when going into unknown, potentially hostile environments is good thinking. They are both more fierce and more robust than any other crew you could field. Debatable. The Code says the best warriors in the galaxy are actually the Asari commandos. The only downside to them is that there are relatively few of them compared to other military forces. Then there is the argument for mechs being better, since they can do everything krogans can but don't have the limitations organic life, including krogan, have. Not saying having krogan isn't a good idea, just saying I don't agree that they are the best choice.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 19:13:22 GMT
Regardless, the Krogan are the best warriors in the galaxy. Hiring or recruting a large number of Krogan when going into unknown, potentially hostile environments is good thinking. They are both more fierce and more robust than any other crew you could field. Debatable. The Code says the best warriors in the galaxy are actually the Asari commandos. The only downside to them is that there are relatively few of them compared to other military forces. Then there is the argument for mechs being better, since they can do everything krogans can but don't have the limitations organic life, including krogan, have. Not saying having krogan isn't a good idea, just saying I don't agree that they are the best choice. Even if the asari are more skilled, the krogans are more resistant to harsh environments, as well as being more durable, with their regeneration and multiple organs.
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Post by sl4ter on Nov 8, 2016 19:15:37 GMT
Those may be Quarians without their helmets. Maybe they found a place that is right for their survival-standards. This theory goes around atm, so I thought I share. And the devs never denied them not being in Andromeda. All they said is that "they couldn't say anything right now". (Image is from the new trailer and was shared on the MEOddysey Discord server from "Addamas")
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 19:16:06 GMT
Debatable. The Code says the best warriors in the galaxy are actually the Asari commandos. The only downside to them is that there are relatively few of them compared to other military forces. Then there is the argument for mechs being better, since they can do everything krogans can but don't have the limitations organic life, including krogan, have. Not saying having krogan isn't a good idea, just saying I don't agree that they are the best choice. Even if the asari are more skilled, the krogans are more resistant to harsh environments, as well as being more durable, with their regeneration and multiple organs. If everyone in this game is smart and wears the proper attire, harsh enviornments shouldn't be an issue. Plus again, mechs would be able to handle harsh environments and be more durable than even krogan.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 19:17:09 GMT
If Krogans can go because they are good at fighting (short term only because they will all die off with the genophage, unless they AI somehow solves that as well which is totally logical in that universe) so why can't Quarians go because they are the best mechanics in the galaxy and used to living in ships?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 19:20:57 GMT
If Krogans can go because they are good at fighting (short term only because they will all die off with the genophage, unless they AI somehow solves that as well which is totally logical in that universe) so why can't Quarians go because they are the best mechanics in the galaxy and used to living in ships? To be fair, the Genophage isn't something that needs to be solved. Since whatever world they find will probably be less hostile than Tuchanka, their population will slowly grow. After all with the Genophage they have the same average birthrate as humans do. But other than that, I agree with you.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 8, 2016 19:21:08 GMT
Even if the asari are more skilled, the krogans are more resistant to harsh environments, as well as being more durable, with their regeneration and multiple organs. If everyone in this game is smart and wears the proper attire, harsh enviornments shouldn't be an issue. Plus again, mechs would be able to handle harsh environments and be more durable than even krogan. Certain environments are too toxic, otherwise they wouldn't have needed the krogans against the rachni. Also, there's still the regeneration. What you say about the mechs is true. I forgot to add in my post that I think that with best warriors people probably mean between organics.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 19:25:24 GMT
Those may be Quarians without their helmets. Maybe they found a place that is right for their survival-standards. This theory goes around atm, so I thought I share. And the devs never denied them not being in Andromeda. All they said is that "they couldn't say anything right now". (Image is from the new trailer and was shared on the MEOddysey Discord server from "Addamas") That doesn't look like a quarian at all... A case can be made for a lot of species being inside the Arks. Krogans are good as frontline troopers, quarians are regarded as the best ship engineer, volus are filthy rich etcetera. Really hope it's not just those five species.
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