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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 19:26:38 GMT
If everyone in this game is smart and wears the proper attire, harsh enviornments shouldn't be an issue. Plus again, mechs would be able to handle harsh environments and be more durable than even krogan. Certain environments are too toxic, otherwise they wouldn't have needed the krogans against the rachni. Also, there's still the regeneration. What you say about the mechs is true. I forgot to add in my post that I think that with best warriors people probably mean between organics. True, but considering what the mission is if we find a world that hostile we'd just skip it.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 19:27:07 GMT
Regardless, the Krogan are the best warriors in the galaxy. Hiring or recruting a large number of Krogan when going into unknown, potentially hostile environments is good thinking. They are both more fierce and more robust than any other crew you could field. Debatable. The Code says the best warriors in the galaxy are actually the Asari commandos. The only downside to them is that there are relatively few of them compared to other military forces. Then there is the argument for mechs being better, since they can do everything krogans can but don't have the limitations organic life, including krogan, have. Not saying having krogan isn't a good idea, just saying I don't agree that they are the best choice. The asari are already coming and weren't part of the discussion. Plus, that codex entry always rang hollow in light of the Krogan Rebellions. When you have to put qualifiers on something, it starts to lose meaning. The commandos are no doubt badass, but KROGAN... Mechs wear out, break down, need maintenance, can't think for themselves, etc... At times, mechs can be susceptible to environments in which krogan are either immune or regeneration sustains the big guys. That's all up to chemistry. Give a krogan some food and water, or somewhere to find as much, and you have the beginnings of a fighting force. I get what you're saying. I'm just offering another view. I'd take reasonable Krogan over most options any day of the week. It took the genophage to stop them from conquering the entire galaxy, and everyone still rightly lives in fear of them. An allied krogan is a huge resource.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 19:31:03 GMT
If Krogans can go because they are good at fighting (short term only because they will all die off with the genophage, unless they AI somehow solves that as well which is totally logical in that universe) so why can't Quarians go because they are the best mechanics in the galaxy and used to living in ships? I'm sure some can go if they wish. The question was if they'd even wish to go; who makes the final cut on an ultimately resource-limited endeavor, etc... The Krogan aren't dying of the genophage. The krogan in Andromeda could die as a result of it, though, since they'd conceivably perish in combat before the mission was competed and/or faster then they could breed. I'm actually interested in seeing how the genophage is handled in MEA. The genophage cure was too idyllic in the original trilogy. Now, we get more time to explore the krogan as they were for the past 1400 years.
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Post by sl4ter on Nov 8, 2016 19:32:46 GMT
Those may be Quarians without their helmets. Maybe they found a place that is right for their survival-standards. This theory goes around atm, so I thought I share. And the devs never denied them not being in Andromeda. All they said is that "they couldn't say anything right now". (Image is from the new trailer and was shared on the MEOddysey Discord server from "Addamas") That doesn't look like a quarian at all... A case can be made for a lot of species being inside the Arks. Krogans are good as frontline troopers, quarians are regarded as the best ship engineer, volus are filthy rich etcetera. Really hope it's not just those five species. Well, we never actually got to know what they really look like except for that picture of Tali that was given in ME3. And even that was not really detailed, plus we don't know what they look like from the back. But it actually fits because of the hood they were always wearing. As I said, it's just a theory I saw going around on Twitter.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 19:36:43 GMT
That picture is obviously from a new race.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 19:43:55 GMT
That doesn't look like a quarian at all... A case can be made for a lot of species being inside the Arks. Krogans are good as frontline troopers, quarians are regarded as the best ship engineer, volus are filthy rich etcetera. Really hope it's not just those five species. Well, we never actually got to know what they really look like except for that picture of Tali that was given in ME3. And even that was not really detailed, plus we don't know what they look like from the back. But it actually fits because of the hood they were always wearing. As I said, it's just a theory I saw going around on Twitter. Quarians have hair, this one obviously does not. It's more likely to be a new species from Andromeda.
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Post by jackievakarian on Nov 8, 2016 20:16:40 GMT
I don't entirely care if Geth and Quarians are in Mass Effect: Andromeda. But I do think, the more the merrier.
This thread title doesn't seem like very good reasoning, just empty declarative statements. I won't believe until I see evidence or confirmations from Bioware, and given that they "don't want to say anything right now", I'm leaning towards a yes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 20:18:48 GMT
As long as we have female character models with D cups Ill be okay with anything
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Post by Entropy on Nov 8, 2016 21:58:02 GMT
Not all quarians think alike? Do all humans think alike? Geth want to achieve their own future. How they do this may differ. They are not under control of the Reapers at all, if you remember, the majority of geth, the True Geth, rejected Sovereign. It was only the heretics that followed it and even then, Sovereign wasn't controlling them, they were worshipping it. So there's many possibilities. One of them might be a third faction splitting from the geth, one that wants to go on the Arks. They would be allowed to leave, just like the heretics were. Why would they want to leave? For the same reason as organics, they recognize the old machines will return and that geth can't claim their future if they're nonfunctional. A deal could be struck with the organics for assistance with the ark in return for passage and leaving the geth to their own devices once there. Indeed you could make a good case that all geth might be amenable as they are not particularly attached to Rannoch or anything in the Milky Way. Obviously, the bulk of them stay... or do they? Maybe the reason the quarians won so easily in ME3 before the Reapers showed up was because a large part of the geth had already left. So no, it's not at all impossible or even unlikely that geth and quarians made the trip. In fact it's preferable as they are the best suited to actually run the arks. Geth because they're AI and can run things while the meatbags sleep, and quarians because they're the best suited to the nomad life. Of course Bioware may ignore this on some half-baked excuse but what else is new? You bring good points, but it is not until the events in ME3 that Geth become allies. Since the Arks leave before ME3, the only way to get Geth in Andromeda is if they infiltrate the project. Also Krogan and Asari live up to 1000 years and looks like the trip only takes 600, they could keep an small group of them out of cryostassis to run things... even if resource-wise is more expensive than AI
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Post by Pearl on Nov 8, 2016 22:00:44 GMT
this isn't 1984 you can't tell me what to think
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 22:01:53 GMT
Not all quarians think alike? Do all humans think alike? Geth want to achieve their own future. How they do this may differ. They are not under control of the Reapers at all, if you remember, the majority of geth, the True Geth, rejected Sovereign. It was only the heretics that followed it and even then, Sovereign wasn't controlling them, they were worshipping it. So there's many possibilities. One of them might be a third faction splitting from the geth, one that wants to go on the Arks. They would be allowed to leave, just like the heretics were. Why would they want to leave? For the same reason as organics, they recognize the old machines will return and that geth can't claim their future if they're nonfunctional. A deal could be struck with the organics for assistance with the ark in return for passage and leaving the geth to their own devices once there. Indeed you could make a good case that all geth might be amenable as they are not particularly attached to Rannoch or anything in the Milky Way. Obviously, the bulk of them stay... or do they? Maybe the reason the quarians won so easily in ME3 before the Reapers showed up was because a large part of the geth had already left. So no, it's not at all impossible or even unlikely that geth and quarians made the trip. In fact it's preferable as they are the best suited to actually run the arks. Geth because they're AI and can run things while the meatbags sleep, and quarians because they're the best suited to the nomad life. Of course Bioware may ignore this on some half-baked excuse but what else is new? You bring good points, but it is not until the events in ME3 that Geth become allies. Since the Arks leave before ME3, the only way to get Geth in Andromeda is if they infiltrate the project. Also Krogan and Asari live up to 1000 years and looks like the trip only takes 600, they could keep an small group of them out of cryostassis to run things... even if resource-wise is more expensive than AI As you said if doesn't make sense to keep some of them wake up the whole travel consuming air, water and food. It's cheaper to put everyone in crysleep and only wake them (the scout teams) close to destination while everyone else keep sleeping.
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Post by ProbeAway on Nov 8, 2016 22:30:01 GMT
I hope both the Quarians and the Geth, and all the races of the Milky Way really, come along with us. There is no good reason for any to be left behind, but especially for these two it makes a ton of sense to bring both, since no race knows ships and technology like those two. Plus it would allow us to see new sides to them both, with the Quarians thinking of things other than getting Rannoch back or even finding a home world since they will have found one and Geth being a part of a galactic society as equals for the first time in their history. For those who love how the ME2 Geth were over the ME3 Geth, it would also be a chance for them to be like that again. I understand bringing a few quatrain volunteers along, but how could you possibly think that it would make sense for the Geth to be there?!? The arks leave in 2185, which is the same year as Shep is revived by Cerberus. At that time no one even knows that there are any non-homicidal Geth in existence. All they have to go by are the events of ME1. And if Legion is not awakened then it stays that way til ME3. As far as the Ark Initiative is concerned, Geth should still be classed as shoot-on-sight. Their presence on the Ark would be far more lore-breaking than the Ark Initiative itself. EDIT: don't worry, I was well and truly beaten to this post. Damned time zones.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 8, 2016 22:42:07 GMT
If the only thing being told to several dozens of quarians (how many do you need to prevent genetic abnormalities from inbreeding?) None, really, with how good genetic manipulation technology is in the ME verse. Breeding shouldn't be a a problem for the Andromeda Initiative, so that won't revert the culture to previous views about people who don't want to have kids as some predicted it would. Not only that, but given how Miranda was created, same-sex couples should be able to have children as well, which I hope is realized by the team and explored. Not all quarians think alike? Do all humans think alike? Geth want to achieve their own future. How they do this may differ. They are not under control of the Reapers at all, if you remember, the majority of geth, the True Geth, rejected Sovereign. It was only the heretics that followed it and even then, Sovereign wasn't controlling them, they were worshipping it. So there's many possibilities. One of them might be a third faction splitting from the geth, one that wants to go on the Arks. They would be allowed to leave, just like the heretics were. Why would they want to leave? For the same reason as organics, they recognize the old machines will return and that geth can't claim their future if they're nonfunctional. A deal could be struck with the organics for assistance with the ark in return for passage and leaving the geth to their own devices once there. Indeed you could make a good case that all geth might be amenable as they are not particularly attached to Rannoch or anything in the Milky Way. Obviously, the bulk of them stay... or do they? Maybe the reason the quarians won so easily in ME3 before the Reapers showed up was because a large part of the geth had already left. So no, it's not at all impossible or even unlikely that geth and quarians made the trip. In fact it's preferable as they are the best suited to actually run the arks. Geth because they're AI and can run things while the meatbags sleep, and quarians because they're the best suited to the nomad life. Of course Bioware may ignore this on some half-baked excuse but what else is new? I agree, I'm sure you could find some quarians who wanted to come for various reasons, including not really caring about Rannoch specifically or being able to live/work on such advanced ships (Tali was wondrous of the Normandy). While I really want the geth to appear again as well, I doubt it will happen They're my favourite species in ME. If they were part of the Initiative, it would have to be in secret given the timeline. The Geth should not be involved at all, obviously. They are still "the enemy", at this point in history, having made peaceful contact with not a single organic, as of yet. There is no way they could possibly be involved in this project. (Legion tells us as much, and he is not mistaken. He is in regular contact with the consensus, and is the lone platform of "true Geth" beyond the Veil.) That depends when in 2185 they depart. If it's later on, Shepard will have met Legion, though it's not like the Initiative will know about that unless it has Cerberus backing. From the books we know not all quarians wanted to retake their homeworld but instead find a new planet, they were even sending ships on deep space missions for that end. So i wouldn't find it hard to believe that some of them would like to travel with the arks. The reminds me that many of them were desperate enough to travel through the Omega-4 relay. So yeah, I have no doubt enough would want to come that we could have a bunch of quarian characters. Asari, probably. Krogans don't seem to be as hostile to them as they are to salarians and turians (wonder why ), and i'm quite sure any asari matriarch/commando could handle an enraged krogan way better than the average turian/human soldierNah, you just need one of these: Its marketing materials feature a charging krogan with the slogan "Don't you wish Carnifex was at your side?" But what if Bioware just wants to see the internet burn? Well, in the end it's all about how much resources they are ready to spend remaking old species instead of making new ones. BioWare employs fire ecology: watches internet burn, encourages new growth in Andromeda. I like it. We appear to get a Krogan squaddie fairly early, if the previously shown dev footage still applies. When PeeBee (hope those are initials) is seemingly first discovered, a blade pops into view by her head. It's pretty clearly the bayonet from our Krogan squaddie's weapon. PeeBee is apparently a nickname, and from the limited context I assumed it was an internal Bioware one, so don't worry too much. I never thought of the blade being a bayonet. It does look like some of the ones in ME3, though, you're right. I very much want all of the Milky Way species to be aboard the Arks, much as I doubt it will happen for whatever reason. As I said above, genetic manipulation means breeding won't be a problem, so there is literally no reason not to at least bring some specimens to eventually seed a colony with (hell, maybe that's the route Bioware will take if they decide they want more MW species later: "We brought DNA just in case!"). I just don't see a reason not to have them all. Something to consider is that the krogan in ME:A are likely few in number and aboard the Ark of another species. Given that, a limited number of batarians, hanar, volus, drell, elcor, or vorcha could also be aboard (and of course, quarians). Half serious: Hell, they could even bring the protheans back! Though not in ME:A, since Javik hadn't awakened yet.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 8, 2016 22:50:34 GMT
@ BansheeOwnage Even if Legion has established an alliance with Shepard, that doesn't logically allow for the Geth to show up on a vast, multispecies intergalactic exploration/colonization mission. We know for a fact from ME3 that they were still viewed as the boogie man and the enemy by pretty much every organic in the galaxy, excepting Shepard and one or two of his crew, in 2186. Also, I think you might be over-estimating genetic technologies in ME, based upon the Codex and Miranda. The Codex is hardly reliable, though, based upon how often the writers ignore it/how often we just happen to encounter the galaxy's singular exception to the rule.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 22:58:45 GMT
None, really, with how good genetic manipulation technology is in the ME verse. Breeding shouldn't be a a problem for the Andromeda Initiative, so that won't revert the culture to previous views about people who don't want to have kids as some predicted it would. Not only that, but given how Miranda was created, same-sex couples should be able to have children as well, which I hope is realized by the team and explored. Just to point out that Miranda can't really been see as a sucessful case of DNA manipulation (for the sake of creating a viable genetic population) because thanks to being a heavily altered clone of her father Miranda was infertile. But yeah, a few thousand should be enough to create a pioneer colony.
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Post by xassantex on Nov 8, 2016 23:00:15 GMT
you won't get Geth, you'll get Khet : Khet White Gold farming ftw.!!!
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Post by bullwinkl3 on Nov 8, 2016 23:03:02 GMT
I hope that the Quarians are included in some capacity, I'd assume that they've been included in the Nexus, maybe they'll show up as an NPC somewhere?
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 8, 2016 23:11:27 GMT
I think we'll see a few Quarians who've gone their separate ways from the fleet. Geth, on the other hand, I can't find a reason why they would be on the arks other than some Orthodox Geth infiltrators sneaked on board in a crate or something. Geth do not infiltrate. Except when they do. Also, unrelated, but I found this while I searched for the above: They can never catch a break! In all seriousness though, it might be interesting to have geth infiltrate the project. For instance, I could totally see a reveal where it turns out your AI companion is actually geth, and perhaps overwrote or subdued and imprisoned the AI that previously inhabited the platform. I really doubt the Gs and the Qs will be in Andromeda. Flynn said "...only those races that pitched in were taken along..."
This still bugs me to no end. It seems incredibly selfish to me (perhaps less so if the Reaper Threat isn't the reason for the expedition, but still) not to allow entire species from coming just because their governments, if applicable, didn't "pitch in" Especially given the breeding reasoning I posted last post. I have a hard time seeing the krogan having pitched in as it were, yet we still have at least 1 with us, so why not other species if so? We'll just have to see how the game proper handles this, rather than twitter comments, I think. Personally I doubt those are quarians simply because they probably wanted to show off new species in the trailer (even though they didn't let us get a good look at any of them...). Still, I could see them being quarians. To me, the back of their head looks like it could have some sort of scarf/shawl on it, which is exactly what the female quarians in the MW wore. So they could be continuing that tradition even without masks. But yeah, I don't think so, and the scarf might not even be a scarf, it's hard to tell from the image. If Krogans can go because they are good at fighting (short term only because they will all die off with the genophage, unless they AI somehow solves that as well which is totally logical in that universe) so why can't Quarians go because they are the best mechanics in the galaxy and used to living in ships? To be fair, the Genophage isn't something that needs to be solved. Since whatever world they find will probably be less hostile than Tuchanka, their population will slowly grow. After all with the Genophage they have the same average birthrate as humans do. But other than that, I agree with you. Wait, what? Didn't Mordin say it reduced successful births to 1/1000?
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Post by Felya87 on Nov 8, 2016 23:38:32 GMT
I find less logical having Krogans in Andromeda than Quarian. Many Quarian want to find a new home, and leave Rannoch to the Geth. Zaal'Koris, at the head of the civil part of the flottilia, was a big supporter of this. Could he have sent a few ships (a single Quarian ship can have something like 700 people on board) to the Ark project (if there aren't there already Quarian working there to gain something for the philgrimige...) without the consent of the others Admirals? Is not like the Admirals are saints and have no chance to take their own decisions. Tali's father had made illegal experiments with Geth tech just under the nose of the others Quarian, after all.
And that is another puzzle for us: we have seen how the Geth need a few parts to start regenerate. Those programs are ususally unintelligent, because separated from the Consensus, and too few (at least for what I have understood). But: if the few programs had enought time/resource to "regenerate" a Consensus, we can have back the Geth: if they have worked for the entire trip of the Arks, even better.
There are many, may ways to bring the Quarian to the Ark, plus, Quarian are one of the most iconic races of the franchise: after all the merchandising over Tali, really? No Quarians? Is akin to no Turian. And they are the only two dextro-races. Why take away one of them?
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Post by dalinne on Nov 8, 2016 23:39:12 GMT
Quarians will come, I'm pretty sure of it. Probably they will be not many of them, but I see them as NPCs as Hanako said. Geth is a more complicated story. All the Galaxy sees them as the enemy and nobody will tolerate to bring any of them. However... It's possible we will find Geth in Andromeda. First, because Geth were listening the extranet and they easily could find out about Andromeda Iniciative and maybe they are interested in going to Andromeda on their own. They don't need to care about starving or being cryo during 600 hundred years. They could hack Ai plans and replicate them. Secondly, if that doesn't happen, and preeetty sure some Xenlike Quarian tries to make a Geth again, convincing him or herself this time their creations won't develop selfawareness. And then we will have Geth 2.0 and Quarian conflict AGAIN.
Nah, I prefer the first theory
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 23:41:57 GMT
To be fair, the Genophage isn't something that needs to be solved. Since whatever world they find will probably be less hostile than Tuchanka, their population will slowly grow. After all with the Genophage they have the same average birthrate as humans do. But other than that, I agree with you. Wait, what? Didn't Mordin say it reduced successful births to 1/1000? Yes, and EDI in ME3 points out that a krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1000 eggs a year. So applying Mordin's ratio, that means a krogan female can have on average 1 child a year.
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Post by Felya87 on Nov 8, 2016 23:47:27 GMT
Wait, what? Didn't Mordin say it reduced successful births to 1/1000? Yes, and EDI in ME3 points out that a krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1000 eggs a year. So applying Mordin's ratio, that means a krogan female can have on average 1 child a year. Wasn't it 1000 in their life? I have always believed Krogans gave birth, since they always talk about newborn bodies, and not hacking eggs, like the Salarian... I must have forgotten something...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2016 23:57:21 GMT
Yes, and EDI in ME3 points out that a krogan female can have a clutch of up to 1000 eggs a year. So applying Mordin's ratio, that means a krogan female can have on average 1 child a year. Wasn't it 1000 in their life? I have always believed Krogans gave birth, since they always talk about newborn bodies, and not hacking eggs, like the Salarian... I must have forgotten something... No, they have clutches of up to 1000 eggs every year. Makes sense since tortoises/turtles are a big inspiration for their race. Here is the EDI scene about. Also, good thing we are using stasis pods since one concern she has is the fact groups of krogan don't do well in ships.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 9, 2016 0:09:44 GMT
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I really doubt the Gs and the Qs will be in Andromeda. Flynn said "...only those races that pitched in were taken along..."
Does anyone think that prior to 2185 the Gs and the Qs pitched in with Jen Garson's private ( from the briefing video) Andromeda Initiative? I can see the Council races do it. They at least have the tech and the private funds to pitch in. The Qs are living in a dilapidated fleet and the Gs have other interests.
On the other hand, I have no clue how the Krogans pitched in....
Krogan are muscle. They are the most powerful soldiers by far in the galaxy, and can survive on hostile worlds much more easily than the other species. It was worthwhile to bring some Krogan. A case can be made for some quarians, but it's iffy. They do have some of the most advanced tech in the galaxy. Not all of their fleet is dilapidated junk. Still, their best and brightest aren't going to leave the Fleet to colonize Andromeda. You can only make a case for a smattering of quarian engineers and specialists who made the trip for their own reasons; or a small faction of the Fleet who believed joining the Turian ark was their best bet at finding a new dextro homeworld. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Agreed about the muscles. But, a colony ship? We can complete the critical story arc without the Krogan loyalty mission. It seems, then, that down the road the Krogans will be useful. As just mercenaries, perhaps?
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Post by lezio on Nov 9, 2016 0:18:16 GMT
Asari, probably. Krogans don't seem to be as hostile to them as they are to salarians and turians (wonder why ), and i'm quite sure any asari matriarch/commando could handle an enraged krogan way better than the average turian/human soldierNah, you just need one of these: Its marketing materials feature a charging krogan with the slogan "Don't you wish Carnifex was at your side?" Half serious: Hell, they could even bring the protheans back! Though not in ME:A, since Javik hadn't awakened yet.Honestly, i think the carnifex could even trump the murder knife. That gun is just OP Talking about the Protheans, seeing how they were much more advanced than "our" cycle, i think it would make sense, and i mean sense by Andromeda's standards, if they had developed a technology similiar to that of the Arc during the war against the Repears So it wouldn't be too far-fetched if they found themselves in Andromeda. Plus, from what we learn from Javik, we know their Empire wasn't all sunshines and rainbows before the war, so i would actually like if BW were to make of them the big, bad presence in the background of Andromeda. Much like their role in ME1, only now they're the villains
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