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Post by The Twilight God on Nov 8, 2016 22:12:46 GMT
2175 CE Cerberus covertly contacts Michael Moser Lang, a political dissident on Earth, and provides him with funding to purchase weapons. Cerberus continues to monitor him after contact ends. One year later, Lang assassinates United North American States president Enrique Aguilar and Chinese People's Federation premier Ying Xiong. The resulting political shuffle benefits Cerberus' shell companies and plans for the Systems Alliance Parliament.
2176 CE The Andromeda Initiative, a privately-funded multi-species endeavor created to explore and colonize the Andromeda Galaxy, is founded.
THE ANDROMEDA INITIATIVE Founded in 2176 and launched in 2185, the Andromeda Initiative is a civilian, multi-species project created to send scientists, explorers and colonists on a one-way trip to settle in the Andromeda Galaxy. With powerful benefactors lending their support, the program has grown substantially in scope since its inception. The Initiative’s ultimate goal is to establish a permanent presence on the seemingly resource-rich frontier of Andromeda, and eventually create a reliable route between it and the Milky Way Galaxy.
Now let's think about this.
A reliable route between Andromeda and the Milky Way??? A reliable 600 year route??? Or would it be a 1200 year route? How??? A project of this magnitude completed within nine years? What's the rush for a civilian funded project with no hope of any of its investors to ever hope to see any returns in their lifetime (that goes for the asari too)? They are literally flushing money, RESOURCES and personnel down the toilet. There is no guarantee that any human corporation would even still be around in 600+ years. And even if they were the people on the other would be the descendants of the original travelers. I mean, they'd be under no contractual obligation to do anything for the Milky Way.
Humans join the greater galaxy less than 20 years prior. And humanity, the babies of the story, of all the species, is spearheading a multi-species coalition to leave the entire galaxy? Not more than 30 years after leaving their own solar system for the first time. Asari, Turians and Salarians have been at this for thousands of years and have only charted 1% of the galaxy, but they are all on board to get resources TWELVE HUNDRED HUNDRED FREAKING YEARS AWAY? For the Asari the long play makes the most sense (although still nonsensical), but it's not the Asari heading this.
Bioware says the Andromeda Initiative has nothing to do with the Reaper threat. You know that's bullshit right?
In other media it says they are looking for a new home world. IN ANOTHER FREAKING GALAXY?!?!?! You don't go to another galaxy in search of a new home world when the current galaxy is 99% unexplored (per the codex). And the current home world is still looking pretty. The Turians, Salarian and Asari want a new home world too. I'm sure the Krogan would love one. But again, there are much closer options. It would be equivalent to early European explorers skipping Africa, Asia, Australia, the Americas and going straight to colonize Saturn's moon Titan while the rest of the globe on Earth is unknown to them. The very notion is absurd. You know what's more cost effective than rich worlds in Andromeda? Rich worlds in the Milky Way. If you can see every planet in Andromeda you can see what's behind every relay in the Milky Way.
The Andromeda Initiative has EVERYTHING to do with the Reaper threat even if the participates aren't informed. It makes absolutely no sense outside of the Reaper threat.
The Reapers were known prior to ME1. There are people who've known about them since 2157 at the least. Possibly beforehand. The Illusive Man's origin story deals directly with Reaper issues. Cerberus was founded in part as a counter Reaper initiative. I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus's name gets thrown in at some point. I don't expect them to be doing bad stuff or act as an antagonist organization per se, but they probably had something to do with the project and may have plants. The Ryders may even be a "Cerberus family", unbeknownst to the protagonist siblings. There was a mention about discovering the secrets of the Ryder family. Speculation for everyone.
If you believe it has nothing to do with the Reaper threat; are you worried? You must be extremely worried, right? Because the writers would have to be in full on DERP MODE for it to have nothing to do with the Reaper threat. And if the writing is that caliber of garbage how can you be excited about ME:A?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 8, 2016 22:19:20 GMT
You might want to change the title of the thread to THE ANDROMEDA INITIATIVE: OF COURSE IT'S REAPERS! or something like that. You don't really talk about Cerberus much and that only to support the idea that denying the Reaper threat is bad storytelling.
Deep breath and repeat after me, "THERE WILL BE RETCONS. THERE WILL BE RETCONS. THERE WILL BE RETCONS." It's as inevitable as being able to bang aliens.
I am concerned that Cerberus might show up in the new game -- but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Just samo-samo boring. I don't mind so much if Cerberus are in the backstory as investors/covert instigators of the AI. That actually makes sense.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 8, 2016 22:21:40 GMT
There is one, and only one, group in the trilogy that is capable of building the Arks and the Nexus without shattering the known lore. And they are called the Leviathans.
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Post by Cyonan on Nov 8, 2016 22:25:07 GMT
They completely screwed the galaxy with the original trilogy and weren't thinking ahead to a potential sequel, so I'm okay with some concessions to make the initial reasons for leaving work(which for the most part is a question of finances and motivation for leaving).
Just as long as I don't have to deal with the overgrown cuttlefish once I get there. We had enough of them in the original trilogy.
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Post by napoleon on Nov 9, 2016 2:03:47 GMT
There is one, and only one, group in the trilogy that is capable of building the Arks and the Nexus without shattering the known lore. And they are called the Leviathans. Damn you really are dedicated to your little crusade against Bioware.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 9, 2016 2:30:32 GMT
I don't really have a problem with this having nothing to do with the reapers, because, while I love the original trilogy, the only thing that can surface from the deepest recesses of my widdle heart is: fuck the reapers. As for the Leviathan, they can suck it too. They haven't been capable of doing anything substantial since the reapers nearly wiped their C'thulhu asses off the face of the universe.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 9, 2016 2:41:05 GMT
They completely screwed the galaxy with the original trilogy and weren't thinking ahead to a potential sequel, so I'm okay with some concessions to make the initial reasons for leaving work(which for the most part is a question of finances and motivation for leaving). Just as long as I don't have to deal with the overgrown cuttlefish once I get there. We had enough of them in the original trilogy. I kinda think like this. They really burned out the MW with the Reaper's storyline, making a sequel there, would feel... not as impactful. And I'm not even taking the endings in consideration. I really like this Andromeda approach. It's something new. Lots of potential. Can't wait to immerse myself in a world where we are completely alone, aware that all we knew, could be most likely gone. Geez. February - March needs to hurry the hanar up.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 9, 2016 2:46:00 GMT
Unfortunately with this franchise bad story telling is required to fix the story.
I'm more concerned with the possibility of DA:I in space ATM.
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Post by The Twilight God on Nov 9, 2016 3:41:39 GMT
Unfortunately with this franchise bad story telling is required to fix the story. I'm more concerned with the possibility of DA:I in space ATM.
How is bad storytelling required?
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Post by capn233 on Nov 9, 2016 3:59:43 GMT
They didn't do anything in the original trilogy that couldn't be fixed with 5% imagination, and a little passage of time after ME3. Even picking an ending wouldn't be the end of the world since there is only one of four that makes sense anyway.
What is strange is that they chose to make the original series more convoluted by plopping the AI into the middle of the trilogy when it has no previous references in the narrative, and the tech is clearly inconsistent with previously established lore. Why choose to add these problems just to side-step the ending fiasco? Are they really so afraid of the fans?
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 9, 2016 5:20:47 GMT
Well, at least tech being inconsistent with the lore is in itself consistent with the franchise.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 9, 2016 8:42:41 GMT
Unfortunately with this franchise bad story telling is required to fix the story. I'm more concerned with the possibility of DA:I in space ATM.
How is bad storytelling required?
Well if you're writing Mass Effect: Andromeda you get three choices. 1.Pretend the ending didn't happen. 2. Make one ending cannon and pretend control and synthesis didn't happen. or 3. Make up an entirely new scenario and pretend that it did happen.
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Post by anddill on Nov 9, 2016 8:59:49 GMT
There is one, and only one, group in the trilogy that is capable of building the Arks and the Nexus without shattering the known lore. And they are called the Leviathans. And the Geth.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 9, 2016 10:27:29 GMT
How is bad storytelling required?
Well if you're writing Mass Effect: Andromeda you get three choices. 1.Pretend the ending didn't happen. 2. Make one ending cannon and pretend control and synthesis didn't happen. or 3. Make up an entirely new scenario and pretend that it did happen. Yep, that pretty accurately sums things up. I've already started to formulate my own head cannon that has everything to do with the Reapers. It's simply not believable this project could have been started and completed in the time frame state, privately (lol) or otherwise. This is yet another example of poor decision making by Bioware. To avoid anything to do with the implausible and stupid ass endings, let's come up with an even more implausible and stupid ass reason to exit the galaxy, rather than creatively stepping around established lore and introducing some additional plausible elements. For this thread, as much as I'm not really a fan of continuing the Cerberus is everywhere plot, I don't see how you can go the "privately funded" route without Cerberus having a heavy hand in the endeavor. For the love of God, Bioware, you've got 6 months to change this nonsense and come up with something more realistic. I'm just asking for some tiny semblance of plausibility.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 9, 2016 11:01:15 GMT
Well if you're writing Mass Effect: Andromeda you get three choices. 1.Pretend the ending didn't happen. 2. Make one ending cannon and pretend control and synthesis didn't happen. or 3. Make up an entirely new scenario and pretend that it did happen. Yep, that pretty accurately sums things up. I've already started to formulate my own head cannon that has everything to do with the Reapers. It's simply not believable this project could have been started and completed in the time frame state, privately (lol) or otherwise. This is yet another example of poor decision making by Bioware. To avoid anything to do with the implausible and stupid ass endings, let's come up with an even more implausible and stupid ass reason to exit the galaxy, rather than creatively stepping around established lore and introducing some additional plausible elements. For this thread, as much as I'm not really a fan of continuing the Cerberus is everywhere plot, I don't see how you can go the "privately funded" route without Cerberus having a heavy hand in the endeavor. For the love of God, Bioware, you've got 6 months to change this nonsense and come up with something more realistic. I'm just asking for some tiny semblance of plausibility. Well, they are trying, I suppose. TIM knew about Reaper threat since FCR in 2157 so he could start thinking about contingency plan right after Cerberus foundation. Bioware went full megalomaniac with that Nexus and multiple Arks, so they couldn't fit into timeframe of trilogy, hence the 2176. Technically they couldn't start intergalactic venture without new kind of drive core, but only few filthy nerds remember about it, so casualties are at minimum. Besides that AI woman (still can't remember her name) sounds exactly like Cerberus agent.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 9, 2016 11:05:14 GMT
There is one, and only one, group in the trilogy that is capable of building the Arks and the Nexus without shattering the known lore. And they are called the Leviathans. And the Geth. No. Although I'd say the geth would be a slight less impossible choice than everything else, it still impossible. Let's remember they couldn't build their main massive space station project and were losing the war against the Quarians. If they had the technology to build the Arks and the Nexus, neither of those would have been a problem.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 9, 2016 11:15:54 GMT
Well, they are trying, I suppose. TIM knew about Reaper threat since FCR in 2157 so he could start thinking about contingency plan right after Cerberus foundation. Bioware went full megalomaniac with that Nexus and multiple Arks, so they couldn't fit into timeframe of trilogy, hence the 2176. Technically they couldn't start intergalactic venture without new kind of drive core, but only few filthy nerds remember about it, so casualties are at minimum. Besides that AI woman (still can't remember her name) sounds exactly like Cerberus agent. Cora?
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 9, 2016 11:18:56 GMT
Well, they are trying, I suppose. TIM knew about Reaper threat since FCR in 2157 so he could start thinking about contingency plan right after Cerberus foundation. Bioware went full megalomaniac with that Nexus and multiple Arks, so they couldn't fit into timeframe of trilogy, hence the 2176. Technically they couldn't start intergalactic venture without new kind of drive core, but only few filthy nerds remember about it, so casualties are at minimum. Besides that AI woman (still can't remember her name) sounds exactly like Cerberus agent. Cora? Nah, Jien Garson, from Orientation video.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 9, 2016 11:45:32 GMT
So few things, I don't think the ships are as big as people seem to think. I mean people are acting like the Ark ships are the size (or larger) then the Crucible and the Nexus is the size of the Citadel. Which well, if the Nexus was the size of the citadel the Ark ships sure as shit aren't the size of the Crucible then. If we assume the circular part of the Nexus then it's more like a third of the overall size of the Citadel (which, granted, is pretty big). But it makes the Arks rather consistent with larger ships, all be it probably mildly larger then Dreadnaughts but still with in the realm of overly believable. Especially when it's a 9 year project. Which really only leaves that whole 'static charge build up' pile of bullshit. I've never really understood that one honestly. I have a feeling they decided to make that an 'issue' to keep that aspect of our actual space travel where static builup and not wanting to fry the electronics of space suit/shuttles. Either way there are plenty of ways to prevent static build up, pretty much all of which involve making things conductive instead of not... conductive. Since that's kinda how it builds up in the first place. Something that has a charge going up against something that isn't friendly to charges (like rubber... baloon anyone?) aaand poof, charge builds up cause it can't jump to the thing and yeah. Anyway point is this isn't much of an issue, as for why it wasn't 'solved' in the Milky way up till now, necessity? Wasn't a reason since Relays and plenty of planets to stop to discharge with how fast ships move just... I mean zero reason to bother with it. It's all stupid... Anyway, Cerberus, fuck em. They weren't started 'because of the Reapers'. They where started cause Turians. IM learned about the Reapers after ME1. He definitely had run in with Reaper tech prior to that but it doesn't mean it was linked 'to' the Reapers till after ME1 for him. Considering they've had a hand in everything to do with humanity im sure they're partially involved but considering what the project is, probably mostly just funding. I doubt (and pray) it's a non-issue and is more of an easter egg log entry we can find somewhere on someones computer or something and it's mostly just a reference for people who played the original trilogy. Same way I hope they handle Reapers. Little note we find that makes it seem like that's why the launch happened when it did but it's all secret hush hush blah blah who cares. TL;DR - Arks are smaller then people think, Reapers/Cerberus can suck it, and Static Charge buildup is bullshit and an easy fix (new tech, not retcon).
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 9, 2016 11:58:49 GMT
So few things, I don't think the ships are as big as people seem to think. I mean people are acting like the Ark ships are the size (or larger) then the Crucible Do they? Until this point I thought general consensus was on something dreadnought sized. Could you elaborate the logic chain here? He had visions about galaxy wide destruction after contact with Reaper obelisk. The word "Reaper" wasn't used and they weren't shown, but their threat was seen by TIM.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Nov 9, 2016 12:03:38 GMT
I really don't give a pyjaks bottom about the explanation they give.I am tired and done with this matter. I only hope their explanations and possible retcons don't make me want to bang my head on the nearest and hardest surface. I ll accept anything that at least pretends to make a slither of sense.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 9, 2016 12:06:55 GMT
What is "unpolonetically awful" supposed to mean?
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Post by Adhin on Nov 9, 2016 12:24:42 GMT
So few things, I don't think the ships are as big as people seem to think. I mean people are acting like the Ark ships are the size (or larger) then the Crucible Do they? Until this point I thought general consensus was on something dreadnought sized. Could you elaborate the logic chain here? He had visions about galaxy wide destruction after contact with Reaper obelisk. The word "Reaper" wasn't used and they weren't shown, but their threat was seen by TIM. As per the Nexus thing, if the circle portion is the same as the Citadel, that makes the 2 flatter... things like 2/3rds the size, roughly, of the 'arms' of the Citadel - but there's only 2. even IF they're the same size as each arm that's 2 outa 5. Plus the circle bit... I just guestimated about a third of the citadel in size is all lol. Could be closer to half the overall size. That's ignore the part where those flat-arm things don't have entire cities build on them. Either way point was it's not the same size, it's definitely big but it's just not the scale I keep hearing people say... least it doesn't seem that way. As far as TIM... yeah, he had visions of destruction and it was tied to the 'artifact'. Which due to the conflict involving that is what resulted in Cerberus. I just meant Cerberus isn't founded on 'Reapers are coming!'. That didn't come up till after ME1. Which I'm sure was a pretty big connect the dots moment for him, and ultimately resulted in why he resurrected Shepard and all that. Either way that's 7 years after the whole AI thing had been started. I can totally see Cerbs being involved, at least in the last 2 years of the project. But it's more likely that involvement was mostly just money. Cerberus can be a pretty big pile of shit, rather often, but the founding was ultimately just ensuring humanities place and furthering goals and all that crap. If he's extremely worried about Reapers (once he learned of them directly) helping fund that as a side thing would make sense, getting a bunch of people or taking over it makes... less sense. Especially when they where obviously putting in everything they had to try and counter the Reapers (at least initially). I mean with a guy who thinks hes basically in charge of humanities survival, you think hes gonna jump ship with less then 1% of the earths population? Leave all the others to rot? Nah he's gonna get indoctrinated after pouring most of there resources into trying to deal with this hidden threat and ME3 happens...
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Post by Vortex13 on Nov 9, 2016 14:41:22 GMT
I really, really hope that Cerberus isn't tied to everything again in ME:Andromeda. Humanity is already front and center in everything that happens in this setting, do we really need a "Humanity First!" terrorist organization on top of all that?
Speaking of which, if Cerberus is indeed behind the push for the Andromeda Initiative, then why would they be concerning themselves with the other aliens' vessels? Surely, they would want to keep those "lower lifeforms" away from something that could possibly elevate humanity and ensure their continued survival.
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Post by The Twilight God on Nov 9, 2016 14:54:47 GMT
What is "unpolonetically awful" supposed to mean?
When you KNOW the shit you're doing is awful and just give no fucks.
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