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Post by 10k on Nov 18, 2016 18:15:56 GMT
The less everyone in this game knows about Shepard and everything about his trilogy, the better. I swear if anyone in this game mentions anything about the trilogy, I'm going to find a way to get my money back. That is the only way I'm going to get through this game; by acting as if Shepard's trilogy never happened. Yes, I'm still salty about everything. They wanted a new start, they have one, and reopening old wounds isn't a good idea.
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 18, 2016 19:12:26 GMT
Nope.
They should be a ghost and should never be acknowledged.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 18, 2016 19:14:27 GMT
I was thinking about N7 Ryder specifically. The Spec Ops in community in the Alliance would be rather small, N7s smaller still. There is a strong possibility that those two characters might know each other, particularly since they were serving in the Alliance at the same time. If he had dialogue that indicated he had served with Shepard before, or was one of Shepard's intructors at the Villa (the Alliance Spec Ops training program at Macapa, Brazil), would you like the nod to the prior trilogy, or would you prefer Shepard wasn't mentioned? Not just "no" but "Hell, no!!!" No mention whatsoever. Shepard may as well not exist. That's my preference.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 18, 2016 20:15:32 GMT
I must be one of the very few people who didn't hate the ending with a passion... It looked cheap as fuck, it was disappointing. Yes. But I got over it. It wasn't THAT bad. I've seen way worse endings. I hated the execution more than the idea. And the catalyst music still gives me goosebumps in a good way actually tbh. See, I headcanon the indoctrination theory. Makes it all not suck that bad anymore. Problem solved for me. I will love Shepard and the trilogy forever. I honestly don't understand all the salt STILL after almost five years. Ten minutes didn't ruin three games for me. Shepard did what s/he was hired to do at least! I can replay the games just fine. The only thing that sucks in retrospect is that saving the Geth was in vain when picking Destroy. But it's not like the game promised you could save everyone. It actually kept telling you that you can't. The greatest escapism disappointment of my life will remain Dexter. THAT last season pissed all over the entire series, made ALL of it seem utterly pointless, and I will never rewatch a minute of it again. It was my favorite show for eight long years. So compared to that the ME3 ending was fine. But maybe you feel about it like I feel about Dexter. I sometimes still choke on all the salt. But hey, there is something liberating about it. Nothing will ever be this disappointing again. So if the ME3 ending burned you this badly you should all be totally relaxed. Right? After that shitstorm it seems that even if we end up drowning kittens in Andromeda it will still be a better ending than Starbrat. So I really don't see the problem.
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Post by jamiecotc on Nov 18, 2016 20:33:58 GMT
Someone will mention her/him.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Nov 18, 2016 22:38:43 GMT
Alec was Shepard's N7 mentor
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Post by Balsam Beige on Nov 18, 2016 22:59:12 GMT
Not necessary to mention Shepard at all......Remember "run away from the Trilogy"? Shepard IS the trilogy. Leave him in the Milky Way.
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Post by javeart on Nov 18, 2016 22:59:26 GMT
I must be one of the very few people who didn't hate the ending with a passion... It looked cheap as fuck, it was disappointing. Yes. But I got over it. It wasn't THAT bad. I've seen way worse endings. I hated the execution more than the idea. And the catalyst music still gives me goosebumps in a good way actually tbh. See, I headcanon the indoctrination theory. Makes it all not suck that bad anymore. Problem solved for me. I will love Shepard and the trilogy forever. I honestly don't understand all the salt STILL after almost five years. Ten minutes didn't ruin three games for me. Shepard did what s/he was hired to do at least! I can replay the games just fine. The only thing that sucks in retrospect is that saving the Geth was in vain when picking Destroy. But it's not like the game promised you could save everyone. It actually kept telling you that you can't. The greatest escapism disappointment of my life will remain Dexter. THAT last season pissed all over the entire series, made ALL of it seem utterly pointless, and I will never rewatch a minute of it again. It was my favorite show for eight long years. So compared to that the ME3 ending was fine. But maybe you feel about it like I feel about Dexter. I sometimes still choke on all the salt. But hey, there is something liberating about it. Nothing will ever be this disappointing again. So if the ME3 ending burned you this badly you should all be totally relaxed. Right? After that shitstorm it seems that even if we end up drowning kittens in Andromeda it will still be a better ending than Starbrat. So I really don't see the problem. I headcanon IT too I don't care if it's not real, I think it's much better than the actual ending .. and from the first time I've played ME3 I couldn't help thinking that the kid was trying to tricK me, it seemed so obvious to me that he was throwing reaper propaganda at my face, I really thought that picking control (TIM) or synthesis (Saren) was the wrong answer, wrong as in expecting a "you failed" screen I too got over the endings, even if I hate them, because I enjoy the rest too much, but I understand how it could totally ruin the trilogy for some... I'm just happy that it didn't for me Even so, I'm sour about losing Shepard and the MW because of that silly ending... So, I still woudl rather leave it all behind
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 18, 2016 23:58:58 GMT
Score another one for "know of Shepard, but not know him personally". As much as I like bumping into previous characters, the trilogy tended towards overdoing it, making the galaxy seem smaller by bumping into the same people.That does happen a lot in real too though. Especially when they have similar business to attend to and know the same people as you. Also, the more people you know the more likely this is. I can't go anywhere in the city without bumping into one of my colleagues. I can second that. Or rather, my parents know so many people that I can barely go anywhere without someone knowing of me. It's rather annoying, really. Unless the game somehow accounts for Shepard's gender, there probably wouldn't be much mention so as to avoid it entirely. You can write (and Bioware has written) in a gender-neutral way, and while that can sound awkward, it doesn't have to. According to the timeline, when the AI fleet leaves (2815), Shepherd is probably dead as far as anyone knows (in a Cerberus lab being glued back together) or working for Cerberus. It's unlikely there's any real reason to mention him at all apart from as the first human spectre who's decisions either saved the Council, or allowed them to be destroyed, in the Battle of the Citadel. Actually, the Arks leave after ME2, so Shepard is alive and kicking again, and even more famous now. If they were to go with an optional save import for small details like this, I'd be more than happy about that but I don't think they'll deem the effort worthwhile, so I'd rather have it remain ambiguous. I am sure we'll at some point hear a passing remark on "the first human spectre" and the "battle of the Citadel" or something but I am ok with it remaining on the sidelines like that. I actually hoped they would make a Keep-style program for ME:A, partly as a pilot for carrying over decisions to the games after, and partly to account for these basic points of info from the original trilogy. And it's not asking for much, really, to simply account for things like which gender Shepard is, or their background, in case a character wants to mention them in ME:A. It wouldn't have to be all that extensive. As for the question itself, I also have mixed feelings about it. As long as they don't breach RP I wouldn't mind, so no specifics. I think it would feel simultaneously like a nice reference and connection to the world, making ME:A feel less isolated, but at the same time it might feel a bit like a gut-punch in a meta sense, like: Hey, remember Shepard? Your character that you grew attached to across 3 games and hundreds of hours who didn't get any closure whatsoever? And who never will, since you're Ryder now? Yeah, that Shepard.
So I don't know. Either way I suppose, but I would like some connections to the Milky Way, possibly mentioning NPCs like Anderson or Wrex etc.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 19, 2016 0:57:05 GMT
Someone will mention her/him. Interesting, thanks for posting that Also, since I couldn't figure out how to save that gif, I made my own In case anyone wants it: Loops pretty well! Alec was Shepard's N7 mentor Wasn't that Anderson? I honestly don't remember anymore. He could have been an instructor-type-person, though. See, I headcanon the indoctrination theory. Makes it all not suck that bad anymore. Problem solved for me. I headcanon IT too I don't care if it's not real, I think it's much better than the actual ending .. and from the first time I've played ME3 I couldn't help thinking that the kid was trying to tricK me, it seemed so obvious to me that he was throwing reaper propaganda at my face, I really thought that picking control (TIM) or synthesis (Saren) was the wrong answer, wrong as in expecting a "you failed" screen I too got over the endings, even if I hate them, because I enjoy the rest too much, but I understand how it could totally ruin the trilogy for some... I'm just happy that it didn't for me Even so, I'm sour about losing Shepard and the MW because of that silly ending... So, I still woudl rather leave it all behind Add me to the list, I also headcanon IT I had the same experience, it seemed obvious the kid was not real/lying/tricking you, and drew the parallels between TIM and Saren. The only thing that sucks is that while IT makes the ending make sense, it doesn't actually give it a conclusion. So you're stuck with either a terrible ending or no ending, and that's why it still bugs me. So yeah, I'm glad that you got over it even if you hate them and can still enjoy the original trilogy. I'm not quite there yet. The woulds still feel too fresh even after 5 years, and I feel like replaying it would just widen them. Right now it's in a really weird place for me, because it's simultaneously my favourite yet most painful series. But who knows, maybe eventually I'll give it another go. Maybe I'll romance Kaidan, maybe I'll use MEHEM on my PC version. I don't know. I feel like I'll actually be more likely to replay the trilogy if ME:A is good. And I agree it's a shame we can't explore more of the Milky Way and everything that encompasses just because of that ending
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Nov 19, 2016 1:01:23 GMT
"Paah... !" "Goddamnit!, I'm trying to enjoy a treat Dereck junior!, what do bloody want?" "Did you know commander Shepard?" "ow... that weirdo, He/She always had problems with his/her personality, back in the bootcamp and even after he/she got that fancy Spectre position"
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 19, 2016 3:12:52 GMT
Let me put it this way -- when has Bioware ever considered some fanservice and decided, "Nope, not gonna shoehorn this in with some kind of lame excuse," I ask you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 3:37:15 GMT
Don't want to rain on your parade, but Wiki claims there are a couple thousand US Navy SEALs alone. That is actually a rather small community. Trust me, most of them know each other. I was in the Marines, which was an organization much larger than the SEALs (there were around 180,000 Marines) and during my time in the service I was constantly running across people I knew from boot camp, ITR, or somewhere other than service in the same unit in the Fleet. I'll give two examples, and they aren't the only ones. I once ran into a guy I had been a Poolee with a couple years later in a bar in Tokyo, and my Series Gunnery Sergeant in recruit training ended up being assigned to my battalion. You'd be surprised even in an organization that large how often you run across people you served with earlier in some capacity, in some other corner of the country (or overseas), or run across people who know people you know.
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Post by hipi07 on Nov 19, 2016 3:46:40 GMT
Hints or mentions that only long time fans would be great fan service but other than that no, unless it's spoken of after they've woken up and recieved the news of what has happened in the last 600 years back in the Milky Way and the things Shepard did against the Reapers. Regardless, I have a feeling Hyperion is going to have some sort of technical issue and they won't get that part of the broadcast/report/news in order to allow this game to have less strings attached when it comes to the original trilogy, especially involving the Reapers.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 19, 2016 5:07:26 GMT
A passing reference to Shepard would be cool in a couple of ways, firstly it would show that the universe is bigger than Shepard, something like "oh yeah, that Spectre that died? yeah I heard about that on a vid when I was on the Citadel last year..."Also, Alec Ryder saying something about Shepard being one of the best N7 operatives to have put on the badge would be cool. Alec was Shepard's N7 mentor I back this theory, it would be a cool reference and Mac confirming Shepard being mentioned feels good, man. The less everyone in this game knows about Shepard and everything about his trilogy, the better. I swear if anyone in this game mentions anything about the trilogy, I'm going to find a way to get my money back. That is the only way I'm going to get through this game; by acting as if Shepard's trilogy never happened. Yes, I'm still salty about everything. They wanted a new start, they have one, and reopening old wounds isn't a good idea. Looks like you'll not need to pick up the game in the first place, Mac just confirmed your worst nightmare. I am curious though, you expected a Mass Effect game to not mention anything from the universe it inhabits? Referencing nothing from the Trilogy would be ridiculous, your talk of wounds and such, come on now...... it's been half a decade, the salt can only be bitter so long on a delicious piece of pork belly.
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Post by Serza on Nov 19, 2016 9:52:10 GMT
Don't want to rain on your parade, but Wiki claims there are a couple thousand US Navy SEALs alone. That is actually a rather small community. Trust me, most of them know each other. I was in the Marines, which was an organization much larger than the SEALs (there were around 180,000 Marines) and during my time in the service I was constantly running across people I knew from boot camp, ITR, or somewhere other than service in the same unit in the Fleet. I'll give two examples, and they aren't the only ones. I once ran into a guy I had been a Poolee with a couple years later in a bar in Tokyo, and my Series Gunnery Sergeant in recruit training ended up being assigned to my battalion. You'd be surprised even in an organization that large how often you run across people you served with earlier in some capacity, in some other corner of the country (or overseas), or run across people who know people you know. That's a good point, one I couldn't have seen from my perspective as a civilian. On the other hand, there are 180,000 Marines - or were, as you said - and I doubt you cycled through service with even majority. So, yeah. I'm convinced the chances of them knowing each other are greater than I originally thought, but it still wouldn't surprise me if they never served together in the same unit.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 19, 2016 10:49:41 GMT
I headcanon IT too I don't care if it's not real, I think it's much better than the actual ending .. and from the first time I've played ME3 I couldn't help thinking that the kid was trying to tricK me, it seemed so obvious to me that he was throwing reaper propaganda at my face, I really thought that picking control (TIM) or synthesis (Saren) was the wrong answer, wrong as in expecting a "you failed" screen I too got over the endings, even if I hate them, because I enjoy the rest too much, but I understand how it could totally ruin the trilogy for some... I'm just happy that it didn't for me Even so, I'm sour about losing Shepard and the MW because of that silly ending... So, I still woudl rather leave it all behind I'm going to discuss my reaction to the ending for a bit here, so for everyone who does not want to revisit that trauma, I'm putting it into spoiler tags. See, I pushed the green button the first time because I was like: OK, what the hell, I want to see what weird ass space magic this is supposed to be. HOW would it work? I need to see that! Also, one needs to know that I wanted to save everyone SO BADLY. I wanted this to be real even if it was extremely creepy. I thought I can't have spent an entire game making peace with everyone for the Geth and EDI to die. I REALLY thought maybe Bioware was serious about this weird Space Jesus utopia where the only solution to the synthetic problem was merging. I thought this was supposed to be the good ending! See, I thought the logic of the Catalyst made perfect sense in a brutally cold sort of way. In the end their motivations were not way beyond our comprehension. Quite the opposite. So that was a bit disappointing even when I could appreciate the irony Bioware was going for. If you watch the same thing happen for millions of years, it's reasonable to assume it would repeat forever. And maybe it will! But that's where the narrative turns into a mess. Shepard proved that things can turn out differently. And yet you still get punished for it with the loss of the very synthetics you just made peace with. Who became your friends. Because of this, synthesis looks like the only real outstanding reward for your efforts. The symbolic ascension into a sort of paradise by injecting every living thing with Shepard's spirit of love or something outrages. That is the LITERAL message of synthesis. What the hell... But then Saren was right all along!? So yeah, it's not a good ending this way. You hear Starbrat say that and you're like "riiiight". Didn't trust that thing at all. But then I just decided to check out all endings one after another, starting with the suspiciously happy one.. Then Shepard's face turned into a husk for a split-second and I thought, yeah, ok, it was a trap after all. Figures. But THEN everyone seemed happy. Was the ending not real, was Shepard dreaming this up? I was so confused. *g* Of course the other two endings played out pretty much exactly the same way. So I had no idea what Bioware wanted to tell me. Was this real or not? Everything about the final 10min was so surreal, I decided the breathing scene needed to mean something. And so I found the IT. And suddenly it ALL made sense! I thought it was a brilliant idea to manipulate the player into pushing the green utopia button of doom. If something sounds too good to be true, it is! There is no easy way out of conflict, ever. Yup, IT made sense to me. ...well, except for ONE thing. With low EMS the only option you get is Destroy, right? Sooo, by being a poor diplomat and terrible human being you actually cannot screw up and get manipulated into becoming their slave. The reapers will let you destroy them. And so the IT sinks like a stone unfortunately. Which then implies that synthesis was really supposed to be awesome... I'm one of those people who actually liked the original ending better. I don't mind it at all when something is open to interpretation. Let's you believe in IT and move on. It's not the ending I had hoped for, not even close. But I can live with it. In my head the only good ending is Destroy and my Shepard survived it and woke up. Because Starbrat was totally lying. And maybe synthetics didn't all get destroyed after all if everything we saw was what Shepard imagined before she woke up. Good enough for me! For anyone who still loves Shepard and the trilogy and who'd like some closure, a very good friend of mine wrote how the Milky Way might have looked after pushing the red button. It's the first finished part of a planned epilogue trilogy. It combines all three endings in a way and is extremely well written. Every character is spot on. I highly recommend it to those like me who still enjoy revisiting Shepard's story: www.fanfiction.net/s/11434743/1/Reaper-DreamsThis is my headcanon now. Better written than anything Bioware ever gave us. I wish Bioware had made a fourth game that deals with the aftermath of the reaper invasion. They could have pulled the rug out from under everyone by making the IT real and delivered a free DLC that picks up after Shepard wakes up in the rubble, the reapers still alive. Because it was all a sham. And then they could have given us the ending everyone wanted. Where the Milky Way kicks reaper ass by collective effort. Surely anything would have been better than some weird beam that needs Shepard's essence to function! Instead they gave as the Extended Cut that only made it worse imo. Like you I'm sour about how the ending lead to abandoning the Milky Way, not so much the ending itself. But Bioware wrote themselves into a corner. And I am still mad they didn't just make Destroy canon, apologize and move on to tell more awesome stories. Instead we're leaving behind the galaxy I grew so fond of. Without really having been to any of the home worlds. It sucks. Would have been an amazing experience to see the Milky Way rebuild and shape a new future. *sigh*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 12:15:15 GMT
I would mind this at all.
I wouldn't expect a great amount of dialogue or the ability to question the NPC at length for details about Shepard, but an innocuous mention of knowing Shepard in the past would be fine. The PC doesn't have to be very interested in finding out any more about Shepard since the PC is younger and wouldn't know Shepard personally and may not "hero worship" Shepard at all. Just because my dad said something like "I trained with X (famous person) doesn't mean that I was interested in querying him about that person... I probably replied with "Oh yeah, that's neat." and the conversation ended there. It's not like the PC would be anticipating ever being able to meet Shepard through his/her dad or that anything Shepard had done to become famous would impact them now in Andromeda.
I think it could easily be restricted to something similar to Ashley and Shep's conversation about "Gunny Ellison" and this would not be out of line or feel out of place.
Another possibility, since it is rumored that we will play as Alec Ryder during the tutorial phase of the game, they could set up the dialogue such that the player could select the gender and background story of their Shepard in Alec's responses to the younger Ryder's queries similar to how Shepard was able to select the appropriate response about Anderson or Udina being councillor (as an alternative to setting up a keep). Again, I wouldn't expect this to be detailed.... just a "nod" to Shepard that would ultimately be totally irrelevant to the new story.
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Post by javeart on Nov 19, 2016 12:34:10 GMT
I headcanon IT too I don't care if it's not real, I think it's much better than the actual ending .. and from the first time I've played ME3 I couldn't help thinking that the kid was trying to tricK me, it seemed so obvious to me that he was throwing reaper propaganda at my face, I really thought that picking control (TIM) or synthesis (Saren) was the wrong answer, wrong as in expecting a "you failed" screen I too got over the endings, even if I hate them, because I enjoy the rest too much, but I understand how it could totally ruin the trilogy for some... I'm just happy that it didn't for me Even so, I'm sour about losing Shepard and the MW because of that silly ending... So, I still woudl rather leave it all behind I'm going to discuss my reaction to the ending for a bit here, so for everyone who does not want to revisit that trauma, I'm putting it into spoiler tags. See, I pushed the green button the first time because I was like: OK, what the hell, I want to see what weird ass space magic this is supposed to be. HOW would it work? I need to see that! Also, one needs to know that I wanted to save everyone SO BADLY. I wanted this to be real even if it was extremely creepy. I thought I can't have spent an entire game making peace with everyone for the Geth and EDI to die. I REALLY thought maybe Bioware was serious about this weird Space Jesus utopia where the only solution to the synthetic problem was merging. I thought this was supposed to be the good ending! See, I thought the logic of the Catalyst made perfect sense in a brutally cold sort of way. In the end their motivations were not way beyond our comprehension. Quite the opposite. So that was a bit disappointing even when I could appreciate the irony Bioware was going for. If you watch the same thing happen for millions of years, it's reasonable to assume it would repeat forever. And maybe it will! But that's where the narrative turns into a mess. Shepard proved that things can turn out differently. And yet you still get punished for it with the loss of the very synthetics you just made peace with. Who became your friends. Because of this, synthesis looks like the only real outstanding reward for your efforts. The symbolic ascension into a sort of paradise by injecting every living thing with Shepard's spirit of love or something outrages. That is the LITERAL message of synthesis. What the hell... But then Saren was right all along!? So yeah, it's not a good ending this way. You hear Starbrat say that and you're like "riiiight". Didn't trust that thing at all. But then I just decided to check out all endings one after another, starting with the suspiciously happy one.. Then Shepard's face turned into a husk for a split-second and I thought, yeah, ok, it was a trap after all. Figures. But THEN everyone seemed happy. Was the ending not real, was Shepard dreaming this up? I was so confused. *g* Of course the other two endings played out pretty much exactly the same way. So I had no idea what Bioware wanted to tell me. Was this real or not? Everything about the final 10min was so surreal, I decided the breathing scene needed to mean something. And so I found the IT. And suddenly it ALL made sense! I thought it was a brilliant idea to manipulate the player into pushing the green utopia button of doom. If something sounds too good to be true, it is! There is no easy way out of conflict, ever. Yup, IT made sense to me. ...well, except for ONE thing. With low EMS the only option you get is Destroy, right? Sooo, by being a poor diplomat and terrible human being you actually cannot screw up and get manipulated into becoming their slave. The reapers will let you destroy them. And so the IT sinks like a stone unfortunately. Which then implies that synthesis was really supposed to be awesome... I'm one of those people who actually liked the original ending better. I don't mind it at all when something is open to interpretation. Let's you believe in IT and move on. It's not the ending I had hoped for, not even close. But I can live with it. In my head the only good ending is Destroy and my Shepard survived it and woke up. Because Starbrat was totally lying. And maybe synthetics didn't all get destroyed after all if everything we saw was what Shepard imagined before she woke up. Good enough for me! For anyone who still loves Shepard and the trilogy and who'd like some closure, a very good friend of mine wrote how the Milky Way might have looked after pushing the red button. It's the first finished part of a planned epilogue trilogy. It combines all three endings in a way and is extremely well written. Every character is spot on. I highly recommend it to those like me who still enjoy revisiting Shepard's story: www.fanfiction.net/s/11434743/1/Reaper-DreamsThis is my headcanon now. Better written than anything Bioware ever gave us. I wish Bioware had made a fourth game that deals with the aftermath of the reaper invasion. They could have pulled the rug out from under everyone by making the IT real and delivered a free DLC that picks up after Shepard wakes up in the rubble, the reapers still alive. Because it was all a sham. And then they could have given us the ending everyone wanted. Where the Milky Way kicks reaper ass by collective effort. Surely anything would have been better than some weird beam that needs Shepard's essence to function! Instead they gave as the Extended Cut that only made it worse imo. Like you I'm sour about how the ending lead to abandoning the Milky Way, not so much the ending itself. But Bioware wrote themselves into a corner. And I am still mad they didn't just make Destroy canon, apologize and move on to tell more awesome stories. Instead we're leaving behind the galaxy I grew so fond of. Without really having been to any of the home worlds. It sucks. Would have been an amazing experience to see the Milky Way rebuild and shape a new future. *sigh* I'll go with spoler tags too, just in case Thanks for the recomendation, first Yes, that's the thing, you could see IT wasn't not meant to be real and that synthesis was somehow supposed to be the best ending... Which seemed completeley absurd to me O.o I remember picking destroy and feeling a huge disappointment about how wrong that went, like destroy was after all the wrong answer, and I reloaded thinking, "so... what? it's one of the other options the right one?" I tried control, and it didn't seem right, I tried synthesis and the same... I thought, so it doesn't matter which one you pick? this is all we get? I was in complete disbelief, totally shocked I went to google and I literaly typed "mass effect 3 absolute shit ending" (well, in my language the first time, later I started looking for answers in english too ) I was furious, I couldn't understand what was happening It's funny thinking about it now, a little "comedy is tragedy plus time" Then I found the IT in the old BSN and I thought, hmmm, that would be great... As I said, I didn't really believe it, as in I believe a DLC is coming, but this way, when I replay it I feel fine ignoring the kid and the "all synthetics will die" and pretending that in fact no one dies Also, I could have been playing ME Milky Way wit Spehard till she retires age 101 approximately ;P, a ME4 post-reaper invasion would have been great and I always thought there was a huge potential for interr-species conflict that would have made it really interesting and a lot of space to explore still... A MEA would still be great, of course, with a new PC and new characters and all, as a new IP or something... Actually, I feel about it a litlle like it's a new IP, I think I'm excited about it more because it's a new Bioware game, than because it's a new Mass Effect game
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Post by 10k on Nov 19, 2016 13:03:30 GMT
Looks like you'll not need to pick up the game in the first place, Mac just confirmed your worst nightmare. I am curious though, you expected a Mass Effect game to not mention anything from the universe it inhabits? Referencing nothing from the Trilogy would be ridiculous, your talk of wounds and such, come on now...... it's been half a decade, the salt can only be bitter so long on a delicious piece of pork belly. Well it's a good thing I've already decided I'll be getting this game used in the first place just as I did Inquisition, so getting a full refund won't be a problem. They wanted a new start, what's the use of keep referencing the trilogy? I see no point in doing so, so I don't think it's ridiculous at all from my perspective. Also I don't care if it has been 10 decades, my feelings towards ME3 will still remain. ME3 in its entirety was garbage period.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 19, 2016 13:25:30 GMT
I'll go with spoler tags too, just in case Thanks for the recomendation, first Yes, that's the thing, you could see IT wasn't not meant to be real and that synthesis was somehow supposed to be the best ending... Which seemed completeley absurd to me O.o I remember picking destroy and feeling a huge disappointment about how wrong that went, like destroy was after all the wrong answer, and I reloaded thinking, "so... what? it's one of the other options the right one?" I tried control, and it didn't seem right, I tried synthesis and the same... I thought, so it doesn't matter which one you pick? this is all we get? I was in complete disbelief, totally shocked I went to google and I literaly typed "mass effect 3 absolute shit ending" (well, in my language the first time, later I started looking for answers in english too ) I was furious, I couldn't understand what was happening It's funny thinking about it now, a little "comedy is tragedy plus time" Then I found the IT in the old BSN and I thought, hmmm, that would be great... As I said, I didn't really believe it, as in I believe a DLC is coming, but this way, when I replay it I feel fine ignoring the kid and the "all synthetics will die" and pretending that in fact no one dies Also, I could have been playing ME Milky Way wit Spehard till she retires age 101 approximately ;P, a ME4 post-reaper invasion would have been great and I always thought there was a huge potential for interr-species conflict that would have made it really interesting and a lot of space to explore still... A MEA would still be great, of course, with a new PC and new characters and all, as a new IP or something... Actually, I feel about it a litlle like it's a new IP, I think I'm excited about it more because it's a new Bioware game, than because it's a new Mass Effect game Oh, me too! Or even a game with one of the squadmates as the hero. Sort of a spin-off series. Imo the galaxy after the reaper invasion would have made for an interesting scenario. First of all, there would have been starvation. A lot more people would realistically die of the consequences of so much destruction. And when people are starving, things get ugly. The relays are down. No supply lines. Some planets completely cut off. Nothing is ever the same after a war. Power shifts from one group to another. Entire races got wiped out. The fighting for the top of the food chain would continue and even get worse. Of course, the krogan are a huge factor, which would have been difficult to implement. Bioware would have needed to go with certain choices. They did try to give glimpses at what happened in the Extended Cut, but it was all so happy as if everyone is best buddies after this. Which is ridiculous. I would totally have played a galactic survival/civil war type of game where you (possibly not Shepard) try to keep the peace and prevent certain groups from trying to seize power and terrorize everyone. Could have explored some of the other races largely ignored in the trilogy. Make alliances with them. Have the underdogs unite against the reign of the asari/salarians/turians. Make the old elite the new bad guys you are fighting against. Lots of possibilities. You'll find a lot of this addressed in the story I linked. Like you I see Andromeda as a new IP. Which is fine. I will always look forward to a new Bioware game. So maybe there should be no references so that we can all pretend this has nothing to do with Mass Effect anymore. Would perhaps have been best. I get the feeling though that Bioware will reference the trilogy more than people want. They even used Shepard for one promotion video! It's like they want to have their cake and eat it too, ditch the mess they made but use our attachment and nostalgia to get us excited for another game. It really pissed me off at the beginning. Aggressively pushing for a fresh start while playing a Shepard voice-over, WTF. That stung more than I want to admit. Now I'm mostly over it and just excited for another sci-fi game from Bioware. But Andromeda will inevitably exist in the shadow of the trilogy. We'll see if it manages to stand on its own feet and step out of that shadow and become as iconic as the Milky Way Galaxy. I actually hope so! If our galaxy is done, the new one better be awesome!
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Post by hipi07 on Nov 19, 2016 13:46:51 GMT
Looks like you'll not need to pick up the game in the first place, Mac just confirmed your worst nightmare. I am curious though, you expected a Mass Effect game to not mention anything from the universe it inhabits? Referencing nothing from the Trilogy would be ridiculous, your talk of wounds and such, come on now...... it's been half a decade, the salt can only be bitter so long on a delicious piece of pork belly. Well it's a good thing I've already decided I'll be getting this game used in the first place just as I did Inquisition, so getting a full refund won't be a problem. They wanted a new start, what's the use of keep referencing the trilogy? I see no point in doing so, so I don't think it's ridiculous at all from my perspective. Also I don't care if it has been 10 decades, my feelings towards ME3 will still remain. ME3 in its entirety was garbage period. I still don't understand people with this mindset. I second Ivory on this that it is ludicrous to want this game to not mention the universe it exists in, especially when those characters we will be following will have lived at the same time and have gone through some of the same events Shepard did in one way or another. You almost might as well be asking for a reboot to the franchise and this most certainly is not, in which case you might as well not get the game. ME3's ending happened, it wasn't what we all hoped for and there's nothing we can do about it now, get over it. I see no point in throwing little tantrums after all this time. Hey am I happy at the way The Phantom Pain's story was handled? The LAST true Metal Gear Solid title that was supposed to close the circle of the games? One of my all time favorite franchises just behind Mass Effect and Halo? Hell no. But I accept it for what it is, loved the game for what it was and moved on. People already vented all their anger at the time, no point in beating a dead horse with the newest game and yet still going to pick it up, it's hypocritical. People love to complain just to complain. Nothing personal, just how I see it.
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Post by 10k on Nov 19, 2016 14:07:03 GMT
I still don't understand people with this mindset. I second Ivory on this that it is ludicrous to want this game to not mention the universe it exists in, especially when those characters we will be following will have lived at the same time and have gone through some of the same events Shepard did in one way or another. You almost might as well be asking for a reboot to the franchise and this most certainly is not, in which case you might as well not get the game. ME3's ending happened, it wasn't what we all hoped for and there's nothing we can do about it now, get over it. I see no point in throwing little tantrums after all this time. Hey am I happy at the way The Phantom Pain's story was handled? The LAST true Metal Gear Solid title that was supposed to close the circle of the games? One of my all time favorite franchises just behind Mass Effect and Halo? Hell no. But I accept it for what it is, loved the game for what it was and moved on. People already vented all their anger at the time, no point in beating a dead horse with the newest game and yet still going to pick it up, it's hypocritical. People love to complain just to complain. Nothing personal, just how I see it. Firstly the ending in ME3 was the best part because Shepard can become a god. So you thinking I dislike ME3 because of the ending is so wrong. Just because you have a problem with the ending doesn't mean I did. Secondly me responding to this thread sharing my opinion isn't throwing a tantrum. It's my opinion if you don't like it don't read it, simple. And thirdly, I never played Metal gear, so I couldn't care less about your comparison. Nothing personal, just how I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 14:19:45 GMT
Looks like you'll not need to pick up the game in the first place, Mac just confirmed your worst nightmare. I am curious though, you expected a Mass Effect game to not mention anything from the universe it inhabits? Referencing nothing from the Trilogy would be ridiculous, your talk of wounds and such, come on now...... it's been half a decade, the salt can only be bitter so long on a delicious piece of pork belly. Well it's a good thing I've already decided I'll be getting this game used in the first place just as I did Inquisition, so getting a full refund won't be a problem. They wanted a new start, what's the use of keep referencing the trilogy? I see no point in doing so, so I don't think it's ridiculous at all from my perspective. Also I don't care if it has been 10 decades, my feelings towards ME3 will still remain. ME3 in its entirety was garbage period. It's certainly not ridiculous for you to not buy any game you don't think you'll like. I'm curious as to why you've already decided to buy the game at all if you don't have any expectation that you'll like the game. Why are you and others who profess that they'll never enjoy ME:A here on this site at all? Wouldn't your time be better spent investigating and speculating about other new games you think you might actually enjoy playing? (... and, in case it needs to be said, I'm not asking you to leave or anything like that. You're certainly entitled to stay and express your opinions. I am honestly just curious... I myself haven't decided yet whether or not I'll buy this game at all. I'll ultimately wait until after the game is released to make that final decision. However, I do at least feel that there is a strong possibility that I will enjoy this game.)
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Post by hipi07 on Nov 19, 2016 14:26:38 GMT
Firstly the ending in ME3 was the best part because Shepard can become a god. So you thinking I dislike ME3 because of the ending is so wrong. Just because you have a problem with the ending doesn't mean I did. Secondly me responding to this thread sharing my opinion isn't throwing a tantrum. It's my opinion if you don't like it don't read it, simple. And thirdly, I never played Metal gear, so I couldn't care less about your comparison. Nothing personal, just how I see it. lmao the salt is real I'm not attacking you, I'm just stating my opinion, so chill. I actually don't have too much of a problem with the ending, I accepted it for what it was and got over it. And if I don't agree with your opinion why would I not read it? That kind of attitude is what breeds ignorance and idiots, of which the internet is overflowing with. And I was just offering an example with a recent franchise that went through something similar, so that internet hard ass attitude can be taken else where. You don't have to be a dick to discuss something over which you disagree with someone else.
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