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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 19, 2016 14:34:12 GMT
I second Ivory on this that it is ludicrous to want this game to not mention the universe it exists in, especially when those characters we will be following will have lived at the same time and have gone through some of the same events Shepard did in one way or another. You almost might as well be asking for a reboot to the franchise and this most certainly is not Yes, I believe the problem is that quite a number of people would prefer Andromeda to be a reboot, pretend the reapers never happened because the trilogy turned into such a disappointment. It's an emotional place to argue from. From a narrative perspective frequent references make sense for the reason you stated. The c haracters are from the Milky Way. They lived through it. Why would they stop mentioning it? So I expect Shepard and the events of ME1 to be mentioned at least once. Bioware clearly isn't feeling about the endings how some of their disappointed fanbase do. Or we'd have gotten a reboot and the franchise would have been abandoned. I really believe they think the majority appreciates staying somewhat connected to the trilogy, continuing the story rather than cut all ties and pretend Shepard never existed. And I'm sure most people do. It's the logical thing to do. Everybody I know in real life is impatiently waiting for Andromeda. Nobody is still mad about the ending. There is no problem whatsoever. It's only when you go online that you get the impression people want nothing to do with the memory of the trilogy anymore. I bet 90% of the people who pick up MEA will react to a reference of Shepard with: "Yeah, those were good times." The gloom and doom here is very misleading...
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Post by 10k on Nov 19, 2016 14:45:08 GMT
It's certainly not ridiculous for you to not buy any game you don't think you'll like. I'm curious as to why you've already decided to buy the game at all if you don't have any expectation that you'll like the game. Why are you and others who profess that they'll never enjoy ME:A here on this site at all? Wouldn't your time be better spent investigating and speculating about other new games you think you might actually enjoy playing? It's my time and money, can't I spend it how I like? Is there certain rules I must abide by when it come to my time and money?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 14:48:36 GMT
It's certainly not ridiculous for you to not buy any game you don't think you'll like. I'm curious as to why you've already decided to buy the game at all if you don't have any expectation that you'll like the game. Why are you and others who profess that they'll never enjoy ME:A here on this site at all? Wouldn't your time be better spent investigating and speculating about other new games you think you might actually enjoy playing? It's my time and money, can't I spend it how I like? Is there certain rules I must abide by when it come to my time and money? Certainly... you can spend your time and money how you like. I'm not challenging you... I'm honestly asking you "why" you do it?
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Post by 10k on Nov 19, 2016 14:55:31 GMT
lmao the salt is real I'm not attacking you, I'm just stating my opinion, so chill. I actually don't have too much of a problem with the ending, I accepted it for what it was and got over it. And if I don't agree with your opinion why would I not read it? That kind of attitude is what breeds ignorance and idiots, of which the internet is overflowing with. And I was just offering an example with a recent franchise that went through something similar, so that internet hard ass attitude can be taken else where. You don't have to be a dick to discuss something over which you disagree with someone else. Yes I've already admitted to being salty in my first post, and I'll continue to be. You came at me first friend, correlating expressing my opinion as "throwing a tantrum". Because me continuing to dislike ME3 is throwing a tantrum
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Post by 10k on Nov 19, 2016 14:56:50 GMT
Certainly... you can spend your time and money how you like. I'm not challenging you... I'm honestly asking you "why" you do it? Why..? Because I like ME, like everyone else here. Just because I have different criticisms or don't sing BW praises, doesn't mean I don't like the series.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 19, 2016 15:01:40 GMT
ME3's ending happened, it wasn't what we all hoped for and there's nothing we can do about it now, get over it. I see no point in throwing little tantrums after all this time. Hey am I happy at the way The Phantom Pain's story was handled? The LAST true Metal Gear Solid title that was supposed to close the circle of the games? One of my all time favorite franchises just behind Mass Effect and Halo? Hell no. But I accept it for what it is, loved the game for what it was and moved on. People already vented all their anger at the time, no point in beating a dead horse with the newest game and yet still going to pick it up, it's hypocritical. People love to complain just to complain. Nothing personal, just how I see it. MGS TPP was an AMAZING experience, until Act 2....then I ended up so frustrated with the lazy repeat missions and it really soured my vibe. It didn't take away from the brilliant stealth gameplay (the best ever IMO) and the cool invasion style MP, that will always be boss for me. MGO was a surprise bit of fun too, in many ways....The Phantom Pain has many parallels with ME3 eh, I'm just seeing that now
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Post by Princess Trejo on Nov 19, 2016 15:17:09 GMT
How about Shep's surviving relatives? uncles/aunts/first cousins/second cousins, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 15:24:17 GMT
Certainly... you can spend your time and money how you like. I'm not challenging you... I'm honestly asking you "why" you do it? Why..? Because I like ME, like everyone else here. Just because I have different criticisms or don't sing BW praises, doesn't mean I don't like the series. Am I to assume then that you do have some anticipation that you might like ME:A and that's why you're here investigating what ME:A might be all about? Have you really already decided to buy it (as you posted above)... or are you, like me, actually still waiting to see what the reviews are like after it's released? (not really directing this at you 10K) - There's a difference, IMO, between criticizing something that's already been released (fair) and trashing something before it's released without knowing what it's actually even going to be like. Here (i.e. in the ME:A threads of this website), a lot of the latter seems to go on and on and on; and it does make it difficult to try to even discuss the possibilities of this game "unemotionally."
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Post by 10k on Nov 19, 2016 15:30:24 GMT
Am I to assume then that you do have some anticipation that you might like ME:A and that's why you're here investigating what ME:A might be all about? Have you really already decided to buy it (as you posted above)... or are you, like me, actually still waiting to see what the reviews are like after it's released? Well no matter what the reviews are I will buy it used as I said. Keep it if I like it, or get a full refund as I did with Inquisition.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Nov 19, 2016 15:48:27 GMT
To OP's question:
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 19, 2016 16:29:44 GMT
Qun you pass me the salt please, it appears my Varren steak is blander than it looked.
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Post by bshep on Nov 19, 2016 16:44:14 GMT
To OP's question: I fixed it for you.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 19, 2016 17:04:30 GMT
To OP's question: I fixed it for you. I would love it if Drak is like a Krogan Sten....even dryer, if possible
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 19, 2016 17:07:06 GMT
I fixed it for you. I would love it if Drak is like a Krogan Sten....even dryer, if possible I do hope that they'll manage to make him not similar to either Wrex or Grunt. For better or worse they seem to have accomplished that with Peebee, which doesn't seem similar to either Liara or Samara personality wise.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 19, 2016 17:17:50 GMT
How about something simple, like Shepard having once approached Alec Ryder for an autograph?
Even heroes have heroes, right?
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 19, 2016 17:20:27 GMT
How about something simple, like Shepard having once approached Alec Ryder for an autograph? Even heroes have heroes, right? I don't mind something like that, but I'm pretty sure it'd still piss several people off. Maybe it'd be better if he knew Anderson, it wouldn't rustle anyone jimmies.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 19, 2016 18:00:51 GMT
Don't want to rain on your parade, but Wiki claims there are a couple thousand US Navy SEALs alone. That is actually a rather small community. Trust me, most of them know each other. I was in the Marines, which was an organization much larger than the SEALs (there were around 180,000 Marines) and during my time in the service I was constantly running across people I knew from boot camp, ITR, or somewhere other than service in the same unit in the Fleet. I'll give two examples, and they aren't the only ones. I once ran into a guy I had been a Poolee with a couple years later in a bar in Tokyo, and my Series Gunnery Sergeant in recruit training ended up being assigned to my battalion. You'd be surprised even in an organization that large how often you run across people you served with earlier in some capacity, in some other corner of the country (or overseas), or run across people who know people you know. Adding to this... Serza , there are SEALs, and then there are the Counter-terror SEALs upon which the N7s are clearly based, SEAL Team 6/DEVGRU (as well as the SAS, Delta Force, etc... but we are talking SEALs). The CT team are much more exclusive and segregated. Other SEALs admire and envy these guys. These guys are the ones who have made it to the top of the mountain, professionally. They get the best training, gear and jobs, accordingly. They are obviously fewer in number, as well. The N7s would be the same, in some ways. A first generation N7 like Alec Ryder may not know Shepard personally, but he's almost guaranteed to know someone who knows Shepard. For instance, he would almost certainly know David Anderson, the very first N7, as they are from the same generation. It's not at all implausible with such a close degree of separation that Alec and Shepard my have met at least once. When I was a kid, I was a bit of a military fan boy, and SEALs were at the very top of my list. I've probably read every autobiography written by a SEAL that served before the Gulf War, and several after. Based upon these books, and upon living/moving through a similarly sized organization in my own life, these guys in the SpecOps communities definitely are familiar with one another, as Han described.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 19, 2016 18:06:02 GMT
How about something simple, like Shepard having once approached Alec Ryder for an autograph? Even heroes have heroes, right? I don't mind something like that, but I'm pretty sure it'd still piss several people off. Maybe it'd be better if he knew Anderson, it wouldn't rustle anyone jimmies. I didn't see your post before I made mine directly below. His knowing Anderson seems highly likely, given that they're two of the first N7s from the original generation. (Anderson was the very first N7 of them all.)
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Post by Sifr on Nov 19, 2016 18:22:43 GMT
I don't mind something like that, but I'm pretty sure it'd still piss several people off. Maybe it'd be better if he knew Anderson, it wouldn't rustle anyone jimmies. Alec Ryder inspiring Anderson might better fit the timeline. Anderson would have been about 12 when the Charon Relay was first opened, so it's easy to imagine he'd have a poster of Grissom, Ryder and the rest of the task force on his wall. The task force being Anderson's heroes would nicely tie with the novel Revelation, when Anderson gets to meet Grissom when he attends his graduation from N7 training.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Nov 19, 2016 21:53:06 GMT
I d like to but I don't think there will. Since the Andromeda fleet departs in 2185,Shepard is still considered KIA.Probably not even revived by Cerberus yet.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 19, 2016 22:36:32 GMT
I d like to but I don't think there will. Since the Andromeda fleet departs in 2185,Shepard is still considered KIA.Probably not even revived by Cerberus yet. They confirmed that the voyage starts after ME2's endings.
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Post by hipi07 on Nov 20, 2016 6:33:44 GMT
ME3's ending happened, it wasn't what we all hoped for and there's nothing we can do about it now, get over it. I see no point in throwing little tantrums after all this time. Hey am I happy at the way The Phantom Pain's story was handled? The LAST true Metal Gear Solid title that was supposed to close the circle of the games? One of my all time favorite franchises just behind Mass Effect and Halo? Hell no. But I accept it for what it is, loved the game for what it was and moved on. People already vented all their anger at the time, no point in beating a dead horse with the newest game and yet still going to pick it up, it's hypocritical. People love to complain just to complain. Nothing personal, just how I see it. MGS TPP was an AMAZING experience, until Act 2....then I ended up so frustrated with the lazy repeat missions and it really soured my vibe. It didn't take away from the brilliant stealth gameplay (the best ever IMO) and the cool invasion style MP, that will always be boss for me. MGO was a surprise bit of fun too, in many ways....The Phantom Pain has many parallels with ME3 eh, I'm just seeing that now Absolutely. I adored The Phantom Pain but after Act 1 ended it was just all filler sadly. Although the story didn't go the way I had hoped (I wanted it to be really dark and messed up and show how Big Boss turned relatively evil) it still sort of tied up some of the loose ends with Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2. I loved the ridiculous amount of foreshadowing though throughout the game towards Venom Snake. Gameplay and design was literally god tier but further than that it slacked. I never got around to playing MGO because I left to Indonesia before it released. I played the living hell out of GZ, which indeed was a paid demo, putting well over 50h into a game you complete in 5min. Messing around with the guards is too good. MGS3 Snake Eater for me is still best in the franchise overall. Big Boss is by far my favorite videogame character ever and as such you can see how disappointed I was with how TPP handled that story.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 20, 2016 8:26:44 GMT
I'm going to discuss my reaction to the ending for a bit here, so for everyone who does not want to revisit that trauma, I'm putting it into spoiler tags. Yup, IT made sense to me. ...well, except for ONE thing. With low EMS the only option you get is Destroy, right? Sooo, by being a poor diplomat and terrible human being you actually cannot screw up and get manipulated into becoming their slave. The reapers will let you destroy them. And so the IT sinks like a stone unfortunately. Which then implies that synthesis was really supposed to be awesome... This is my headcanon now. Better written than anything Bioware ever gave us. I wish Bioware had made a fourth game that deals with the aftermath of the reaper invasion. They could have pulled the rug out from under everyone by making the IT real and delivered a free DLC that picks up after Shepard wakes up in the rubble, the reapers still alive. Because it was all a sham. And then they could have given us the ending everyone wanted. Where the Milky Way kicks reaper ass by collective effort. Surely anything would have been better than some weird beam that needs Shepard's essence to function! Instead they gave as the Extended Cut that only made it worse imo. Like you I'm sour about how the ending lead to abandoning the Milky Way, not so much the ending itself. But Bioware wrote themselves into a corner. And I am still mad they didn't just make Destroy canon, apologize and move on to tell more awesome stories. Instead we're leaving behind the galaxy I grew so fond of. Without really having been to any of the home worlds. It sucks. Would have been an amazing experience to see the Milky Way rebuild and shape a new future. *sigh* Spoilered my response to the spoilered response IT Megathread veteran here ( 4000+ posts) I've probably discussed or observed every single question relating to IT there was, so I'll try to answer yours Why are you locked into destroy with low EMS? This might be a long answer. First, "EMS" in the Indoctrination Interpretation translates, in practice, to Effective Mental Strength, as opposed to Military. They're tied together because they represent (in a flawed way since they're just numbers) Shepard's confidence. The more War Assets, the more resolve. But that's not all it means. The premise behind IT is that the Reapers want to indoctrinate Shepard, but not just turn them into a husk. They want a long-term agent, like TIM or Saren (who happen to represent the other ending options). To do that, they need to use slow, patient indoctrination. This is consistent with such oddities as Anderson dying removing 1000 EMS. This comes with a caveat: That Shepard would be worth the effort. If they do a terrible job at uniting the galaxy, maybe they weren't that special after all (low-EMS). If they manage to get a lot of support on the other hand... (high-EMS). So what does that mean? The more Shepard proves themselves, the more options open up as vehicles for indoctrination. To what end? Depends on the sub-theory. The most obvious reason would be to use such a pivotal figure to sow as much well-placed chaos as possible. After all, the Protheans' (and presumably most others') order of battle was fractured because of separatists who wanted to control the Reapers (and probably some like Saren who willingly let themselves be "upgraded" o promote synthesis). At worst, they'd simply eliminate Shepard from the equation. The "slow, patient indoctrination" part is key to the theory, because while the Reapers can quickly enthrall someone, they lose any uniqueness in the process. The reason Reaper Indoctrination is insidious isn't because it makes you do what the Reapers want, it's because it makes you want to - often while you still think you're in control. That's why it's More Than Mind Control. The reason it would work in the endgame is because ultimately, Shepard chooses how to move forward. Stick to your guns (literally), or try a too-good-to-be-true strategy? This sort of thing probably happened to TIM and Saren at some point, whether they remember it or not. Anyway, another idea floating around was that they want Shepard specifically to complete this harvest's new Reaper. This goes with Reapers making one Sovereign-class Reaper per cycle out of the most threatening species and making the rest into Destroyer-class ships. So the idea is that each cycle, the Reapers also select an influential individual to serve as a "guiding intelligence" for that Reaper (à la Control ending). Last time, they wanted Javik, the Avatar of Vengeance, but he evaded them, and that's the reason there was never a Prothean Reaper. This time it's Shepard, spearhead of the resistance, Avatar of Victory. So that would fit with Shep not being valuable enough to use long-term indoctrination on in low-EMS scenarios. All of the above ties in with the Breath Scene, not synthesis, requiring the most EMS to achieve (and therefore being the best ending by all accounts ) The last thing to remember is that the Reapers aren't letting Shepard destroy them. That option has to be there, because it's been Shepard's objective since the beginning, and this is in Shepard's head. All they can do is add alternatives. And since it's in Shep's head, they're not letting you destroy them in that sense either. Anyway, there are a lot of interpretations even under the IT umbrella. That's one. Hope it helps! I, too, hoped beyond hope that they'd have a post-ending DLC where Shepard wakes up and you actually finish the fight. Hell, maybe that was even the plan originally, but the ending backlash forced out the EC and made the literal endings canon. Damage control. Imagine that! The fans unwittingly ruining their own ending because they cared too much. That's some serious irony. Now, I'm not saying that's what happened. But it's a thought. I agree the EC made things worse in most cases. Well, I think part of it was that they didn't think they'd make any more games. It's odd, because EA's in charge, but still. I'll miss the Milky Way and all of its possible post-war adventures, too. But I can't do anything about it now, and I'll try to move on and enjoy ME:A as much as I can. I get the feeling though that Bioware will reference the trilogy more than people want. They even used Shepard for one promotion video! It's like they want to have their cake and eat it too, ditch the mess they made but use our attachment and nostalgia to get us excited for another game. It really pissed me off at the beginning. Aggressively pushing for a fresh start while playing a Shepard voice-over, WTF. That stung more than I want to admit. Now I'm mostly over it and just excited for another sci-fi game from Bioware. But Andromeda will inevitably exist in the shadow of the trilogy. We'll see if it manages to stand on its own feet and step out of that shadow and become as iconic as the Milky Way Galaxy. I actually hope so! If our galaxy is done, the new one better be awesome! Funny, I've said the exact same thing, down to the same expression of "Have their cake and eat it too" They really want to distance themselves and the game from the first trilogy and Shepard... but aren't really trying to do that in the marketing at all. Shepard's VO in that trailer stung me, too. The last we'll ever hear from her It will live in the first trilogy's shadow for me as well, but as I said above, I just want it to be good. Firstly the ending in ME3 was the best part because Shepard can become a god. *Buzzer sounds* Incorrect! Even the game itself confirmed that Reaper!Shep is not Shepard. It's a different entity with Shep's memories. I didn't see your post before I made mine directly below. His knowing Anderson seems highly likely, given that they're two of the first N7s from the original generation. (Anderson was the very first N7 of them all.) Holy crap, I completely forgot Anderson was the first N7! And that they were that new!
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Post by Sondergaard on Nov 20, 2016 9:20:56 GMT
There's a difference, IMO, between criticizing something that's already been released (fair) and trashing something before it's released without knowing what it's actually even going to be like. Here (i.e. in the ME:A threads of this website), a lot of the latter seems to go on and on and on; and it does make it difficult to try to even discuss the possibilities of this game "unemotionally." Absolutely. However, the same people who cocked up ME3's ending are in charge of ME:A and have not acknowledged in any way that they may have made a mistake. That immediately raises legitimate concerns for many of us about the quality of ME:A's story. I'm not a 'whinger' or a 'cry-baby' and genuinely want ME:A to be great (I'll be pre-ordering). However, I'm also perfectly happy to complain about various failings of the ME series where I think they relate to ME:A, not because I want ME:A to fail but because I want it to succeed. Back to the OP: not a direct connection but not to mention Shepard at all would be bizarre considering s/he's a hero of galactic stature if the arks leave after ME2.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 20, 2016 9:31:16 GMT
A bit off topic, but was there any proof that they didn't made the protheans into a reaper? All I remember is that EDI speculated that they couldn't, because protheans weird DNA.
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