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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 7:13:36 GMT
I was thinking about N7 Ryder specifically.
The Spec Ops in community in the Alliance would be rather small, N7s smaller still. There is a strong possibility that those two characters might know each other, particularly since they were serving in the Alliance at the same time.
If he had dialogue that indicated he had served with Shepard before, or was one of Shepard's intructors at the Villa (the Alliance Spec Ops training program at Macapa, Brazil), would you like the nod to the prior trilogy, or would you prefer Shepard wasn't mentioned?
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 18, 2016 7:18:29 GMT
i'd prefer they know of shep but not know him/her personally as I'd really prefer they not introduce a pre-existing relationship.
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Post by Vall on Nov 18, 2016 7:24:59 GMT
I was thinking about N7 Ryder specifically. The Spec Ops in community in the Alliance would be rather small, N7s smaller still. There is a strong possibility that those two characters might know each other, particularly since they were serving in the Alliance at the same time. If he had dialogue that indicated he had served with Shepard before, or was one of Shepard's intructors at the Villa (the Alliance Spec Ops training program at Macapa, Brazil), would you like the nod to the prior trilogy, or would you prefer Shepard wasn't mentioned? If that happened, that would mean you would be able to drone dadRyder about Shepard at some point (much like asking Varric about Hawke), which means there would have to be something akin to DA: keep, at least for Sheps background and alignment. I wouldn't mind that, but it would probably be better and simpler for them to have dadRyder not know Shep. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 7:33:51 GMT
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Post by Robo on Nov 18, 2016 7:36:32 GMT
Mmmmm...
That won't be necessary.
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Post by jediguardian on Nov 18, 2016 7:38:00 GMT
Yes, please.
And if some character on MEA is relate to character in Trilogy will be great too.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2016 7:40:17 GMT
I think characters will know of Shepard but not know them personally. That would allow mention of Shepard in a vague sense since Shepard is a galaxy-wide name by the time the Nexus and Arks launch, but avoids having things clash with player's personal canons.
Unless they introduce something like the Dragon Age Keep for Mass Effect or even have something like the Revan conversation in KOTOR 2.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 18, 2016 7:43:03 GMT
Not on a personal basis, no. I don't particularly care if any of the characters know of Shepard as long as they don't engage in hero worship, but characters who actually knew Shepard should not be thrust into the limelight, if they exist at all. Like if they absolutely have to be in the game, relegate them to a Hackett-esque role.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 18, 2016 8:32:54 GMT
I both want it and don't want it. I'd love a connection to the trilogy. Some sense of continuation, so the game doesn't feel like it exists in a void. I've always loved having characters form previous games in Dragon Age. On the other hand I'm pretty sure it would make me wail "Shepaaaaaarrrrrd!!!" and in result in much sobbing and an overwhelming sense of loss. *melodramatic music plays* And should MEA disappoint, any reference to the trilogy would be extremely painful. If MEA turns out great, however, it could be really cool to take "a part of the trilogy" to Andromeda. Like somebody related to a squadmate or something. So, uh, can we get an option to toggle all references maybe?  |
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Post by helios969 on Nov 18, 2016 8:42:23 GMT
If it were done it would have to be some innocuous and casual reference. Something about the first human Spectre saving the Citadel...and him/her dying. Given Bio is bent on completely ignoring everything that has come before (even at the expense of making little sense) I'll outright guarantee it doesn't happen.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 18, 2016 8:48:35 GMT
As people already said, I would at most want them to know OF Shepard.
And it is not like there is really a point in people to know him personally. It would just create more job for Bioware with little reward. (And some people would be disappointed anyway).
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Post by javeart on Nov 18, 2016 9:20:17 GMT
(...) On the other hand I'm pretty sure it would make me wail "Shepaaaaaarrrrrd!!!" and in result in much sobbing and an overwhelming sense of loss. *melodramatic music plays* (...)  Me too, soooo much... I'm going to miss her anyway, but if someone starts talking about what a great hero she was and all, I'm going to have to go all sera, stop it or I'm punching everyone!!!  |
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Post by fade9wayz on Nov 18, 2016 10:07:33 GMT
I don't mind it either way. I think it isn't necessary at all, since there are more than enough things tying back to the OT, starting with the species, but if Alec talks a bit about Shepard, I won't mind it. I don't see it being anything more than a passing mention anyway, if it happens at all.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Nov 18, 2016 11:00:31 GMT
Score another one for "know of Shepard, but not know him personally". As much as I like bumping into previous characters, the trilogy tended towards overdoing it, making the galaxy seem smaller by bumping into the same people.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Nov 18, 2016 12:04:11 GMT
Well...
Given the timeline, the most likely possibility would be a Mass Effect 1 character who never appeared in ME2 or ME3 and whose encounter with Shepard lacked any variable outcome.
Captain Maeko Matsuo from Noveria is the only person I can remember who fits these criteria.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 18, 2016 12:06:23 GMT
Score another one for "know of Shepard, but not know him personally". As much as I like bumping into previous characters, the trilogy tended towards overdoing it, making the galaxy seem smaller by bumping into the same people.That does happen a lot in real too though. Especially when they have similar business to attend to and know the same people as you. Also, the more people you know the more likely this is. I can't go anywhere in the city without bumping into one of my colleagues. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 18, 2016 12:13:27 GMT
Unless the game somehow accounts for Shepard's gender, there probably wouldn't be much mention so as to avoid it entirely.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 18, 2016 12:25:52 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if dad has met Shepard. Most likely they met before the events of ME1. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one in the game who makes a reference to Shepard.
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Post by corpusdei on Nov 18, 2016 12:30:46 GMT
I'd rather a new story; same universe but with the new galaxy, totally new characters with no ties to anyone from the previous trilogy.
According to the timeline, when the AI fleet leaves (2815), Shepherd is probably dead as far as anyone knows (in a Cerberus lab being glued back together) or working for Cerberus. It's unlikely there's any real reason to mention him at all apart from as the first human spectre who's decisions either saved the Council, or allowed them to be destroyed, in the Battle of the Citadel.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 15:13:55 GMT
Ryder probably knew of Shepard ... but if Ryder's career path diverged, with his involvement in the ARKCON project and Alliance Initiative, Shepard could have been just starting an Alliance career during their time of overlap.
More likely that Ryder served with Anderson. Ryder went down the path of Ai and Anderson got involved in the building and deployment of the joint human/Turian stealthy fast frigate, the Normandy. Who knows, maybe Ryder would have gotten the Normandy project, if he hadn't joined ARKCON.
So Anderson and Ryder had their career paths diverge about the time Shepard might have been taking steps toward becoming an N7 (maybe an N1) ... eventually coming to the attention of Anderson.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 18, 2016 16:55:18 GMT
I vote no on this, as the trilogy already had a severe problem of making the galaxy look small due to everyone seemingly knowing each other, from TIM knowing Saren and the second Asari Matriarch we bump into "just happening" to be Liara's other parent.
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Post by ledg on Nov 18, 2016 17:28:08 GMT
Previous connection? Don't know and don't think it's necessary.
But given the timeline, if they pretend that Shepard didn't even exist, I will be disappointed.
In ME1 it was a big deal Shepard was made the first human Spectre so at least most people on the human ark should know who/she is.
That also can be their motivation to join the AI - aspire to be like Shepard.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 18, 2016 17:47:37 GMT
While I technically agree that it would make sense for DaddyRyder to maybe know the most famous fellow N7 soldier of all time, the problem here is of course that if Shep is referenced in any in-depth fashion, you'd basically need a savegame import or something like Genesis, if just to decide whether Shep was male or female in your universe.
I definitely wouldn't want the to canonize any aspect of the trilogy. I think the step to Andromeda in order to not mess with the old ME Schroedinger's cat was an ingenious one. It would be a shame to mess it up with something as trivial as a side reference.
If they were to go with an optional save import for small details like this, I'd be more than happy about that but I don't think they'll deem the effort worthwhile, so I'd rather have it remain ambiguous.
I am sure we'll at some point hear a passing remark on "the first human spectre" and the "battle of the Citadel" or something but I am ok with it remaining on the sidelines like that.
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Post by cribbian on Nov 18, 2016 17:48:47 GMT
I really hope not
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Post by Serza on Nov 18, 2016 18:03:08 GMT
Don't want to rain on your parade, but Wiki claims there are a couple thousand US Navy SEALs alone.
That's not accounting for the entirety of the PRESENT DAY US SOCOM personnel, and certainly not accounting for other countries - Russian SpetsNaz, British SAS/SBS...
My personal estimate is that we're looking at between a 100,000 and 200,000 special operations personnel worldwide...
With 7 billion humans on Earth. In the Mass Effect games, Earth alone has over 11 billion inhabitants, and there are colonies all over Council Space. There could easily be a couple more billion humans over the Galaxy, as Terra Nova is listed as having 4.4 million inhabitants pre-Reaper War.
This would mean that in the entire Systems Alliance, with a rather pessimistic estimate of fifteen billion humans in the Milky Way, united by Systems Alliance, we might have some three, four hundred thousand people in November MOS. A lot of them are going to be N5s and N6s, and a considerable amount will be N1-4.
Out of these numbers, you can get a solid few hundred N7s. No, Ryder doesn't need to know Shepard just because they've both passed the N-programme all the way to N7.
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