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Post by wright1978 on Jan 27, 2017 17:23:52 GMT
I honestly don't quite understand where she appears masculine...yes she appears a dominant and direct personality but that doesn't automatically qualify as masculine. In truth she looks quite feminine in the way she cares about her appearance and confident in her so to say "sexual" appeal.I guess people are scared by a woman who has some fire in her. Yeah don't get that at all. Very much like she's both beautiful and confident. Very happy at the moment as unlike DAI there's a good chance i'm going to feel i've hit the jackpot in romance terms.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 27, 2017 17:26:20 GMT
I didn't get what you mean. If Cora's straight, which seems likely, the hair makes me rather suspect that she'll also be one of the designated "masculine" female characters, which are perpetually gated off from being romanceable by women for reasons inexplicable. I love how bioware said they were aware of the queercoding in Cassandra design and now they are doing the same with Cora but I mostly fine with it only if Vetra is a lesbian.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 17:32:12 GMT
If Cora's straight, which seems likely, the hair makes me rather suspect that she'll also be one of the designated "masculine" female characters, which are perpetually gated off from being romanceable by women for reasons inexplicable. I love how bioware said they were aware of the queercoding in Cassandra design and now they are doing the same with Cora but I mostly fine with it only if Vetra is a lesbian. Honestly one thing is being aware of something, another is agreeing with it. Probably they disagreed with the idea of Cassandra being lesbian as they disagreed with Sera being straight.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 17:33:35 GMT
I understand the criticism on her hairs as if not liking it, but I don't get how an hairstyle might necessarily make one masculine or feminine, or that she looks like a 'type' for it.
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Post by Steelcan on Jan 27, 2017 17:42:29 GMT
Just gonna leave this here, concept art look familiar?
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 17:44:16 GMT
Well, it wasn't their first idea since she had a ponytail in a leaked footage.
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Post by Serza on Jan 27, 2017 17:49:55 GMT
I'm not a fan of the hair myself, on top of... not quite being my type, but... she seems badass. If she's a good person, we're gonna get along, even though she doesn't seem to be Ashley-grade "material" right now. Other than looks, however, I got a good feeling. Which basically amounts to "not a fucking thing" these days. In terms of first impression, appearance and speaking wise, she's close to Miranda's and above the rest for me. I do agree on waiting to see more, since we don't know much about her to judge her completely, one way or another. Preach it... Jack did actually look pretty good, but I prefer women on the "actually tries to look feminine" side. That means not head clean shaven. Well, she was an inmate and not in a very good condition of mind. I doubt she wanted to look feminine anyway. Point. She even says that showing off her chest in Purgatory wasn't the best thing ever. While I do like she's the second in command as Miranda, I don't really want a clone of her (although she is my favorite female squadmate in the trilogy) or other characters' clones. Granted, if Cora has to be a 'clone' personality wise I'd prefer Miranda over the other, but I want her to be a different character. Miranda's biotics, anyway, are pretty good for a human. It's not fair to compare her to a matriarch or a human who was worked on to unleash her full biotic potential. You misspelled Ashley! Now fite me, bruh! Well, it wasn't their first idea since she had a ponytail in a leaked footage. Really? Is it still available somewhere?
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Post by Mihura on Jan 27, 2017 17:53:45 GMT
Humm is not really the hair per se, it is the sense I get from design and behavior. I am not that into Cora but I understand perfectly where the criticisms is coming from, Bioware has this strange mindset that lesbians need to be always "feminine" because "stereotypes"? but those exist for a reason. There is nothing wrong with looking stereotypical. So they fall always in the trap now of making straight female romances more appealing for some wlw. Also they are aware of it even before DA:I, especially with Sera, I mean her liking Qunari women is a big tell.
Let just put it this way, Cullen is your stereotypical straight romance, the same way Cassandra is your stereotypical lesbian romance and Dorian your stereotypical gay romance. They seem to be afraid of doing this for lesbians and so straight dudes get what is more appealing to a lot of wlw.
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Post by Serza on Jan 27, 2017 18:00:38 GMT
What. The actual. Fuck?
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Post by ulmanicator on Jan 27, 2017 18:01:44 GMT
Well, it wasn't their first idea since she had a ponytail in a leaked footage. Really? Is it still available somewhere? Yeah
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Post by Steelcan on Jan 27, 2017 18:02:34 GMT
It is good to know that BioWare is clearly just rehashing previous character designs, truly inspiring
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Post by themikefest on Jan 27, 2017 18:03:37 GMT
I like her voice. Her hair looks fine.
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Post by DayusMakhina on Jan 27, 2017 18:14:22 GMT
It is good to know that BioWare is clearly just rehashing previous character designs, truly inspiring Sounds like you have absolutely no notion of what's involved in a creative process and just want to whine. It's not unreasonable at all to come up with a design for one thing but after further development find that it doesn't fit the bill for that, but could work perfectly for something else. I'm not even just talking about character design here either. Designs get repurposed all the time, usually because the designer really likes that particular design and wants to find a place for it.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Jan 27, 2017 18:17:23 GMT
Stereotyping might have it's uses, but ultimately does more harm than good. I feel like that should be common sense. If BioWare always, and specifically, reverses the "traditional" coding that almost becomes a stereotype itself. People will be able to call it before they play it. They should probably switch it up now and then to really be diverse.
We don't know for sure yet if Cora is straight, though. She may end up being bi.
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Post by Steelcan on Jan 27, 2017 18:20:14 GMT
It is good to know that BioWare is clearly just rehashing previous character designs, truly inspiring Sounds like you have absolutely no notion of what's involved in a creative process and just want to whine. It's not unreasonable at all to come up with a design for one thing but after further development find that it doesn't fit the bill for that, but could work perfectly for something else. I'm not even just talking about character design here either. Designs get repurposed all the time, usually because the designer really likes that particular design and wants to find a place for it. She's a biotic, second in command, received special training, with a probable connection to Cerberus, and uses a discarded piece of concept art of Miranda for her look. Forgive me if I am not flabbergasted by their originality
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:22:40 GMT
Well the most sensible thing to do at this point is wait and see. We know nothing about her and how she is going to behave. Let's postpone this controversial discussion for when we will know more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:24:27 GMT
Cora has a specifically unique face, slightly reminiscent of Miranda. Now theories are popping up that she might be related to TIM and I can honestly see the similarities. Biologically related? Maybe. I think she'd be like Oriana if she really is related.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Jan 27, 2017 18:25:55 GMT
Sounds like you have absolutely no notion of what's involved in a creative process and just want to whine. It's not unreasonable at all to come up with a design for one thing but after further development find that it doesn't fit the bill for that, but could work perfectly for something else. I'm not even just talking about character design here either. Designs get repurposed all the time, usually because the designer really likes that particular design and wants to find a place for it. She's a biotic, second in command, received special training, with a probable connection to Cerberus, and uses a discarded piece of concept art of Miranda for her look. Forgive me if I am not flabbergasted by their originality Biotics are ubiquitous in Mass Effect. Almost every job in the universe has a position that could be reduced to "Second in Command". Receiving special training is almost a requisite for any character important or interesting enough to be heavily featured in the game. Shepard had special training. The Ryders all have special training. Fairly common for named story characters. The connection to Cerberus has only been speculated by fans, and denied by devs. It's a big universe, some last names are bound to be similar. Good concept art is good concept art. Just because they went a different direction with Miranda shouldn't have anything to do with Cora's look. Most of your complaints seem kind of petty.
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Post by Steelcan on Jan 27, 2017 18:27:05 GMT
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 27, 2017 18:29:43 GMT
Another retcon; unless that's dye, Drew Karpyshyn's novels established that the trait for blond hair in humans was all but extinct.
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Post by Mihura on Jan 27, 2017 18:33:11 GMT
Sounds like you have absolutely no notion of what's involved in a creative process and just want to whine. It's not unreasonable at all to come up with a design for one thing but after further development find that it doesn't fit the bill for that, but could work perfectly for something else. I'm not even just talking about character design here either. Designs get repurposed all the time, usually because the designer really likes that particular design and wants to find a place for it. She's a biotic, second in command, received special training, with a probable connection to Cerberus, and uses a discarded piece of concept art of Miranda for her look. Forgive me if I am not flabbergasted by their originality I see it too not that another Miranda would be bad but now the design choice makes a lot more sense.
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Post by Steelcan on Jan 27, 2017 18:33:58 GMT
Another retcon; unless that's dye, Drew Karpyshyn's novels established that the trait for blond hair in humans was all but extinct. which was stupid, the gene won't die out unless it gets selected against, and I doubt that blonde hair impedes the ability of someone to reproduce
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:35:54 GMT
Another retcon; unless that's dye, Drew Karpyshyn's novels established that the trait for blond hair in humans was all but extinct. At this point if you care about lore coherency, the gene for blonde hair is the last of your problems. We reached a point where lore serves the plot and not viceversa, just go with it or you'll be always bitter over this game.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 18:42:46 GMT
Another retcon; unless that's dye, Drew Karpyshyn's novels established that the trait for blond hair in humans was all but extinct. If it's a retcon, it was already present in the trilogy, since Shepard notwithstanding, we got Kahlee Sanders and Bailey in ME2, and another cop in ME.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 27, 2017 18:47:20 GMT
Another retcon; unless that's dye, Drew Karpyshyn's novels established that the trait for blond hair in humans was all but extinct. If it's a retcon, it was already present in the trilogy, since Shepard notwithstanding, we got Kahlee Sanders and Bailey in ME2, and another cop in ME. Don't forget Dr. Conrad Verner.
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