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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 17:42:37 GMT
Ok so I asked Jo Berry whether Cora would choose between a friend/lover or 99 inocents. Which do you think she might choose? Based on her answer, I don't really know but Cora to me seems like a friend/lover chooser. I hope. This is based on the very little we have heard but... I'd just like that... I relate. I've had this convo with a friend just recently, and it's relatable and I'd like to think most people would choose the masses but... I'd respect her passion, even if it's slightly a shitty choice long term, I want her to be like that I guess? LOVE ME that much, Cora. *sob* Yea, tbh I would choose the friend/lover because I've actually gotten to know them. Sounds horrible but if people are going to die either way, really there's no right or wrong choice as the one you save might save more lives later in the long term than what the masses would have saved. I'm interested to see how Cora will see things. I'm sure she'll choose Ryder, but depending on your relationship, good, bad, or romantic, she might have different motivations.
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Post by Crim on Feb 16, 2017 17:58:00 GMT
What if she did learn about her father being who the player knows him to be? She likes the idea of him having humanity be #1. She didn't like his methods. Throughout the game she mentions that she like to have humanity at the top. She loves her species. Finally, with some help from my Ryder, she does something about it. She forms Cerberus in Andromeda or at least starts making plans to have Cerberus in Andromeda. At the end, she is seen in a black skirt/dress with a drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other. My Ryder will shake her hand saying, "Well done the Illusive Daughter" excellent I can't imagine anything that would like less. Derperus
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 16, 2017 18:05:57 GMT
Based on Drack's bio, my favorite setup of Ryder being a biotic-tech hybrid sniper with Cora and Drack going close combat turned out to be possible
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 18:24:32 GMT
Jo Berry @joanna_Berry@of_somebody Professional, supportive, fearless. Ok so I asked Jo Berry whether Cora would choose between a friend/lover or 99 inocents. Which do you think she might choose? Based on her answer, I don't really know but Cora to me seems like a friend/lover chooser. I hope. This is based on the very little we have heard but... I'd just like that... I relate. I've had this convo with a friend just recently, and it's relatable and I'd like to think most people would choose the masses but... I'd respect her passion, even if it's slightly a shitty choice long term, I want her to be like that I guess? LOVE ME that much, Cora. *sob* Hmmm... someone who would blow a mission to save their LI (or a single squadmate) might not live up to Jo Berry's adjectives for her. Being a professional in combat means making sacrifices. "Sacrifice is what we sign up for." "There's not a single N7 that hasn't sacrificed - either themselves or their soldiers at some point." So... unless the friend/lover is regarded as a hugely important asset and rescuing them is the mission's primary objective, I'd hope she would accept the sacrifice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 18:26:52 GMT
Jo Berry @joanna_Berry@of_somebody Professional, supportive, fearless. Based on her answer, I don't really know but Cora to me seems like a friend/lover chooser. I hope. This is based on the very little we have heard but... I'd just like that... I relate. I've had this convo with a friend just recently, and it's relatable and I'd like to think most people would choose the masses but... I'd respect her passion, even if it's slightly a shitty choice long term, I want her to be like that I guess? LOVE ME that much, Cora. *sob* Hmmm... someone who would blow a mission to save their LI (or a single squadmate) might not live up to Jo Berry's adjectives for her. Being a professional in combat means making sacrifices. "Sacrifice is what we sign up for." "There's not a single N7 that hasn't sacrificed - either themselves or their soldiers at some point." So... unless the friend/lover is regarded as a hugely important asset and rescuing them is the mission's primary objective, I'd hope she would accept the sacrifice. True, but she has been said to bend the rules when necessary and being the PC I'm sure Ryder will be regarded as an asset worth 100 lives I imagine a character like Cora will be bit less of a run the numbers type in this scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 18:35:32 GMT
Hmmm... someone who would blow a mission to save their LI (or a single squadmate) might not live up to Jo Berry's adjectives for her. Being a professional in combat means making sacrifices. "Sacrifice is what we sign up for." "There's not a single N7 that hasn't sacrificed - either themselves or their soldiers at some point." So... unless the friend/lover is regarded as a hugely important asset and rescuing them is the mission's primary objective, I'd hope she would accept the sacrifice. True, but she has been said to bend the rules when necessary and being the PC I'm sure Ryder will be regarded as an asset worth 100 lives I imagine a character like Cora will be bit less of a run the numbers type in this scenario. It depends a lot on the situation, including the mission specifics. Regardless of the value you might place on Ryder, Ryder is also supposed to be a professional willing to make sacrifices to get the job done. Note, too, that the original post said friend/lover, which may be a character other than Ryder.
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Post by Crim on Feb 16, 2017 18:43:12 GMT
Based on Drack's bio, my favorite setup of Ryder being a biotic-tech hybrid sniper with Cora and Drack going close combat turned out to be possible Dat Drack is old as fuck tbh
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 16, 2017 18:45:09 GMT
Based on Drack's bio, my favorite setup of Ryder being a biotic-tech hybrid sniper with Cora and Drack going close combat turned out to be possible Dat Drack is old as fuck tbh Yeah . I love krogans, and Wrex was my favorite squadmate in the trilogy. I'm quite interested in Drack right now.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 16, 2017 18:57:39 GMT
He answered my question . Glad to know his opinion on the combo, and that it's fun to play.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 16, 2017 19:36:48 GMT
Yeah . I love krogans, and Wrex was my favorite squadmate in the trilogy. I'm quite interested in Drack right now. Ah....ME memories . In my first play through Ashley killed Wrex. It was such a complete surprise I sat there for a good minute thinking "She did not just kill my bro..." Garrus and Wrex were my boys. I ended up starting a new play through and stuck solely to Paragon to be sure I could talk him down. I am leaning towards Cora paired with either Vetra, or Jaal.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 16, 2017 19:42:47 GMT
Yeah . I love krogans, and Wrex was my favorite squadmate in the trilogy. I'm quite interested in Drack right now. Ah....ME memories . In my first play through Ashley killed Wrex. It was such a complete surprise I sat there for a good minute thinking "She did not just kill my bro..." Garrus and Wrex were my boys. I ended up starting a new play through and stuck solely to Paragon to be sure I could talk him down. I am leaning towards Cora paired with either Vetra, or Jaal. Garrus and Wrex were my favorite team up in ME. I plan on switching and trying every member, I just think that combo will be my favourite.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 16, 2017 20:03:15 GMT
As much as I hate the idea of a TIM connection I could get behind Cora being the one thing he's not well, TIM-ish about. Humanity first, victory through control, all well and good. He's sacrificed too much, yeah fine. But if she's the one thing he won't sacrifice, then I'm ok with it. It doesn't say she's helpless. It only says what's true about all fathers everywhere (at least those not literally insane): to them, they'll always be their little girl (or boy). It does exactly suggest helplessness on her part if daddy is deciding the course of her life by the time she's in her late twenties.
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As much as I hate the idea of a TIM connection I could get behind Cora being the one thing he's not well, TIM-ish about. Humanity first, victory through control, all well and good. He's sacrificed too much, yeah fine. But if she's the one thing he won't sacrifice, then I'm ok with it. It doesn't say she's helpless. It only says what's true about all fathers everywhere (at least those not literally insane): to them, they'll always be their little girl (or boy). It does exactly suggest helplessness on her part if daddy is deciding the course of her life by the time she's in her late twenties. So TIM putting the choice in front of her to go or not, is her being helpless? It would be one thing if he forced her. Even him knowing she would be unlikely to pass up the opportunity it is still her call. It is manipulative of TIM, but that doesn't make her helpless.
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Post by Kaazmiin on Feb 16, 2017 21:38:41 GMT
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 16, 2017 21:49:21 GMT
It does exactly suggest helplessness on her part if daddy is deciding the course of her life by the time she's in her late twenties. So TIM putting the choice in front of her to go or not, is her being helpless? It would be one thing if he forced her. Even him knowing she would be unlikely to pass up the opportunity it is still her call. It is manipulative of TIM, but that doesn't make her helpless. because the suggestion is that she doesn't have a choice in her life. She's daddy's little girl, daddy will ensure she's put somewhere out of harms way and sweet weak daughter will smile and do as she's told.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 16, 2017 23:48:37 GMT
So TIM putting the choice in front of her to go or not, is her being helpless? It would be one thing if he forced her. Even him knowing she would be unlikely to pass up the opportunity it is still her call. It is manipulative of TIM, but that doesn't make her helpless. because the suggestion is that she doesn't have a choice in her life. She's daddy's little girl, daddy will ensure she's put somewhere out of harms way and sweet weak daughter will smile and do as she's told. No that isn't what I said or speculated at all. Jack Harper isn't telling her anything. He is using friendship and/or connections as a means to get someone to ask/recruit her. I am not suggesting that Jack/TIM tells her what to do and she does it to "please daddy". I am saying he is manipulating the situation to give her the opportunity she would be excited about. To be clear I am speculating that Alec is the one that asks/recruits Cora, but it was Jack/TIM asking Alec to consider his daughter for the Initiative to protect her from the Reaper threat that he knows is coming. And Cora knows nothing of her father's involvement.
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Just 'cause.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 17, 2017 10:18:04 GMT
because the suggestion is that she doesn't have a choice in her life. She's daddy's little girl, daddy will ensure she's put somewhere out of harms way and sweet weak daughter will smile and do as she's told. No that isn't what I said or speculated at all. Jack Harper isn't telling her anything. He is using friendship and/or connections as a means to get someone to ask/recruit her. I am not suggesting that Jack/TIM tells her what to do and she does it to "please daddy". I am saying he is manipulating the situation to give her the opportunity she would be excited about. To be clear I am speculating that Alec is the one that asks/recruits Cora, but it was Jack/TIM asking Alec to consider his daughter for the Initiative to protect her from the Reaper threat that he knows is coming. And Cora knows nothing of her father's involvement. But her own service history already makes her an appealing candidate, so she wouldn't need any stupid daddy favour plot
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Post by geometricflowers on Feb 17, 2017 11:52:36 GMT
I know it would be quite a coincidence, but maybe she isn't related to TIM? Just sayin'. Does anyone remember that mess with Vega where everyone was convinced he was related to some character (from the novels, I think?).
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 17, 2017 12:03:28 GMT
I know it would be quite a coincidence, but maybe she isn't related to TIM? Just sayin'. Does anyone remember that mess with Vega where everyone was convinced he was related to some character (from the novels, I think?). Yeah his surname was Sanders originally, like Kahlee Sanders. But they changed it to avoid confusion.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 17, 2017 14:35:17 GMT
I was looking over the timeline and I came up with some ideas in regards to Cora's age. Jack Harper founded Cerberus in 2157 at the conclusion of the Mass Effect Evolution Series, and about the same time as the end of the First Contact War. The Andromeda Initiative leaves the Milky Way during the events of ME2 in 2185.
If Cora shares an origin similar to Miranda the oldest she could be is 28 if TIM started the process for her "birth" at nearly the same time he founded Cerberus.
In the comics Jack and Eva are very close, but never out right shown to be in a romantic relationship. I think it is clear they were more then fellow soldiers given Jack(TIM) names an android after Eva some 30 years after her death. I wonder if Cora could actually be the biological daughter of Jack Harper and Eva Core, and she was born a few years prior to the War. That could put her at 29 or in her early 30s. It could also be why she has Harper as her last name. She could have been born before Jack went underground and became TIM, and she was registered on her birth certificate as Cora Harper. That could put a whole new spin on it. May be she thinks both her parents died at the end of the War, and TIM pulled a Miranda in a sense ensuring she had a loving family, and no financial worries. Heck it could be why he became TIM, knowing the path he was choosing would be dangerous for any family members.
Cerberus was known for creating "accidents" to expose children to ezoo hoping they would develop biotics. I wonder if Jack's daughter was one of the first victims of accidental exposure to ezoo, and where he got the idea from.
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Post by davkar on Feb 17, 2017 14:52:50 GMT
Cora would be the second daughter TIM lost. The other one was Jack. She had his name too, was a biotic and used shotguns. In his grief he picked a new name, nay a persona!, and dedicated his life to a cause. He failed his daughters, but he won't fail humanity! It's true, you'll see. I would never dream of...mockery.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 17, 2017 14:55:40 GMT
But her own service history already makes her an appealing candidate, so she wouldn't need any stupid daddy favour plot You do realize the two are not mutually exclusive? Or that we can go full conspiracy theory and say her entire service history was achieved according to his design? Not sure why you're so on about this. I mean I would hate any connection because I'm just tired of TIM and Cerberus. But if you had to have one, this is the way I'd go because it's something different and it betters the character of TIM posthumously. It does not detract from Cora one iota.
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Cora would be the second daughter TIM lost. The other one was Jack. She had his name too, was a biotic and used shotguns. In his grief he picked a new name, nay a persona!, and dedicated his life to a cause. He failed his daughters, but he won't fail humanity! It's true, you'll see. I would never dream of...mockery. I like to speculate about games and movies I enjoy. And it helps promote discussion while eagerly awaiting the game's release. Mock me all you want.
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