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Post by melbella on Aug 4, 2016 3:11:10 GMT
You guys are making me want to play a Red Dragon Disciple or Arcane Archer all over again. I liked both NWN games but HotU was definitely the highlight of the first one. I think I played it before I played either BG game too. One of the last games where you actually got a manual in the box along with the disk/s. Sigh. I miss those days.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Aug 4, 2016 4:20:03 GMT
BTW, Nathyrra is the best Bioware waifu. This is not up for debate.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 4, 2016 4:40:31 GMT
BTW, Nathyrra is the best Bioware waifu. This is not up for debate. True. pre-2009OP, the NWN OC isn't much to write home about but the SoU + HotU expansions are great fun. Especially Hordes of the Underdark. Old games are easy to get into once you get in the right headspace, and Valen and Deekin and Nathyrra are A++ lulzy nostalgia troupe. edit 1: Since it was mentioned elsewhere, definitely look into NWN2 even if it's not technically Bioware. The OC has its highs and lows - and Bishop - but the Mask of the Betrayer expansion is masterful and worth the full price of the game, tbh. Epic storytelling, wonderful cast. Contains gr8 rainbow bear god, my waifu Safiya, and Gann who is the forgotten lovechild of Zevran and Solas. edit 2: Also, don't feel like swine if you don't enjoy a thing. *pats head* Everybody's different and there's nothing wrong with not liking something everybody else praises. u do u.
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Post by Warrick on Aug 4, 2016 14:14:47 GMT
BTW, Nathyrra is the best Bioware waifu. This is not up for debate. I only ever picked Sharwyn... brb reinstalling NWN
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Aug 5, 2016 12:59:40 GMT
My last moments in my last playthrough (2015) that I didn't continue for several months until my HDD and save file died. RIP
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Post by tainted on Aug 6, 2016 14:43:40 GMT
For a maximum of 10 USD at just about any of the digital game marketplaces, NWN, even over 10 years later, still has no equal. But you'll need to understand all of what the package encompasses. First and foremost, an almost limitless access to fresh, innovative community content, designed by folks who have nearly dedicated their lives to bringing the most from an ancient game. One benefit of downloading and playing content created by the NWN community is that. because they have experienced all the bugs and players' biases over the years, they have become extremely skilled in delivering quality craftsmanship, light years beyond anything BioWare created for NWN in its infancy. This includes graphics innovations that rival some of the newer games. The graphics designers in the NWN community have proven their skill to wringe out every ounce of refinement from the game engine. But don't take my word for it. Visit the Neverwinter Vault at neverwintervault.org/ and poke around a bit. Sample the latest graphics and imagery and decide if your puny investment was worth the trouble. The facts about NWN. It's old. The interface is dated. The newest RPG-type AD&D games are shinier by far. [edit: For those wondering how "shiny" NWN's dated graphics are in practice, is one example of texture innovations from an explorer of the possibilities lying deep within the NWN resources. But you will need to click fast to view this exceptional artistry. It's about 3 weeks and counting before the link ends up dead in the water. Hope you make it in time.]The game interface is intuitive. Unless its your first experience trying to play an RPG, you will begin playing and enjoying immediately without much orientation at all. There is a tutorial campaign that was developed by BioWare specifically-designed to help first-timers get acclimated to the interface. It is called the Original (or Official) Campaign. "OC" for short. Most veteran NWN enthusiasts refer to it as the "Plague Campaign". It's the one that is most commonly associated with NWN. It is strictly a learning experiment made easy on purpose to allow new players a chance to get their hands around how the game works without interrupting their immersion into the story. There are some innovations within the OC (innovations for the year 2002, anyway) and interactions that demonstrate the basic role between the player, the environment and the characters. There are enough quests and central theme to introduce NWN's version of real-time AD&D 3.0 to the player base. There are several expansions that are included with the $10 Diamond version. Shadows of Undrentide (SoU), a more challenging and immersive story than the OC... Hordes of the Underdark, the sequel to SoU which introduces the player to epic character development and adventures for the first time... and a few short "premium" adventures like Shadowguard, Kingmaker and Witch's Wake, all designed by the BioWare staff. Besides the Persistent Worlds and easy LAN game access (if you would like to play private games with friends), the main feature of NWN, the one that is responsible for its lasting this long, is the Aurora Toolset. Any novice can jump right in and begin creating their own adventures without an intensive orientation period like other toolsets require. Best of all, the community, though significantly pruned-down by the passing of years and real-life pressures (the teens that played NWN in 2002 are now moms and dads with families that afford little time for "frivolous diversions" like PC gaming), is still active, helpful to newcomers and generally more mature (also in part due to those 14 years flying by) discussing the game than other venues. In other words, trolls are instantly booted. BTW, I've seen the Diamond download on sale for as low as 5.95 USD during promotions. Bottom line: shop around. You could get to sample NWN for less than a box of doughnuts. Hope this helps in your decision of to-play or not to-play.
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Post by Lilura on Aug 7, 2016 15:04:31 GMT
Hi guys! Yes, you should definitely give NWN a whirl. Not just Hordes of the Underdark, but user-made adventures and campaigns, too. Stuff like The Aielund Saga and Swordflight Series, for example. Extensive write-ups for NWN mods may be accessed from this post. Here is an updated list of the most popular NWN mods, too. Enjoy!
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Post by Gold Dragon on Aug 7, 2016 19:33:46 GMT
If you DO play Neverwinter Nights 1, I highly reccomend the PrC pack. Especially if you like some of the Rarer builds (I like the Archmage, myself). The Later one includes the Tome of Batle, which re-vamped combat in many ways. (it was also so script intensive, that my poor little PC actually started weeping whenever I clicked on it's Icon).
Speaking of the PrC, does anyone know where I can find the relevant CEP and PrC/CEP Merge files for PrC v2.2c? I thought I still had them, but I can't find them now.
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Post by tainted on Aug 7, 2016 21:24:34 GMT
Speaking of the PrC, does anyone know where I can find the relevant CEP and PrC/CEP Merge files for PrC v2.2c? I thought I still had them, but I can't find them now. Ummm...maybe the PRC website? Otherwise, the Neverwinter Vault has everything that was ever loaded to the IGN Vault unless an author requested it to be withdrawn. If you have trouble finding what you need there, there is a slim chance it has not been uploaded from the IGN archive yet so either PM an admin/moderator or join the IRC chat to find out. If it indeed was missed, they would be happy to see that a project is created for public access.
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Post by Gold Dragon on Aug 8, 2016 2:53:01 GMT
Link doubles back to your post.
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Post by tainted on Aug 8, 2016 4:42:50 GMT
Link doubles back to your post. Yah. Their linking widget leaves something to be desired. I noticed the wonkiness in another post so just post the URL now which I will do in this case. PRC is located at prc.athasreborn.com/That one should work and hope you find what you are looking for there. I also never get the Preview screen either. Guess this board is a w-i-p.
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Post by goishen on Aug 11, 2016 21:22:56 GMT
Alright, so, I kind of feel like the annoying tweenie bopper whose first foray into fantasy is 'Harry Potter,' but who's never seen or read the 'Lord of the Rings.' Or the kid who's never grown up on 'Star Wars' 4-6, and has only seen 'Force Awakens.' My first introduction to Bioware games was Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age: Origins. I've never played Neverwinter Nights. I've had experiences where I can't get into older games if I didn't play them as they came out, because my eyes have been spoiled by the shiny graphics of no more than...I'd say three years ago. I still felt bedazzled and hooked playing Dragon Age: Origins in 2012, even though it was three years old by then, and its graphics likely were outdated. But if the graphics are older than three years old, I am likely to get bored, fast. For instance, I've tried getting into Baldur's Gate but no matter how many times I start up the game, I can't seem to feel that magical immersion I get when I know I'm in for a fresh new RPG experience of a lifetime. I'm scared the same thing will happen with Neverwinter Nights that happened with Baldur's Gate. And I'll feel like swine. Actually, don't bother playing them. You can if you'd like, but it's mostly nostalgia.
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Post by corpusdei on Aug 12, 2016 14:56:46 GMT
I don't actually remember anything about the original NWN campaign - I guess it just wasn't that memorable. I seem to remember HotU was good but it was so long ago. NWN2 though, pretty much laid the foundations for the "BioWare" story that they've been retelling ever since. It's worth playing through the original campaign to see it but it's not really gripping enough for multiple play-throughs. The same can be said for Mask of the Betrayer to some extent - it's good, but you'll probably not manage too many play-throughs. However, I've played through Storm of Zehir a few times ... it's got Dinosaurs! ... Deekin and Nathyrra are A++ lulzy nostalgia troupe. ... Oh man, I forgot Deekin! I friggin' loved that little whelp (doesn't he become a shopkeeper at one point?) ... crap, now I may have to dig out NWN again!
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Post by Babar Guy on Aug 12, 2016 15:54:46 GMT
I don't actually remember anything about the original NWN campaign - I guess it just wasn't that memorable. I seem to remember HotU was good but it was so long ago. NWN2 though, pretty much laid the foundations for the "BioWare" story that they've been retelling ever since. It's worth playing through the original campaign to see it but it's not really gripping enough for multiple play-throughs. The same can be said for Mask of the Betrayer to some extent - it's good, but you'll probably not manage too many play-throughs. However, I've played through Storm of Zehir a few times ... it's got Dinosaurs! ... Deekin and Nathyrra are A++ lulzy nostalgia troupe. ... Oh man, I forgot Deekin! I friggin' loved that little whelp (doesn't he become a shopkeeper at one point?) ... crap, now I may have to dig out NWN again! He's a shopkeeper in NWN2. Sells some high end prestige class-specific armors and such.
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Post by akots on Aug 15, 2016 19:50:35 GMT
IMO, OP, you can try. But you might not like it. The graphics are really-really ugly. I'd suggest, to minimize the damage, trying it in a smaller window. The game itself is pretty good and has excellent combat mechanics and level progression. It is very polished much better than any other similar game. It lacks the brilliance of Obsidian touch though and story and general lore in NWN2 is way better. But I like combat of NWN more than NWN2. And yes, NWN2 is dark and may be depressing. Well, you can always try to make some better choices. Just don't read any walk through guides before you play and you can be in for quite a surprise.
Also, try Divinity: Original Sin. It has modern graphics, somewhat better story (it depends), better game design overall, and similarly polished combat. You should like it.
Just keep in mind that on higher difficulties which you should be playing, either of the games (NWN, NWN2, and DOS) are quite unforgiving and sometimes can be nail-biting challenging. Way more challenging than insanity ME or Death March Witcher 3, and I'm not even talking about DA games. These more modern games are all pretty silly and eventually become unbalanced. There is no such thing in Baldur's Gate 1-2, Icewind Dale 1-2, or NWN/DOS. Well, Throne of Bhaal does get unbalanced on higher levels closer to the finale.
Also, I tried a bunch of NWN mods and some multiplayer. It could not hold my interest for longer than a week. Good mods are too few, mostly some very amateur bs. And MP is a bit dull IMHO.
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Post by kizanare on Aug 16, 2016 1:51:42 GMT
Neverwinter Nights was pretty awesome, one of my favorite Bioware games. Don't feel weird going back and experiencing whatev, I still haven't played Jade Empire
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Post by maxon on Aug 17, 2016 22:44:00 GMT
Wow thanks for the great answer. I think the fact that it's not isometric will help greatly! It's a bizarre concept to me to skip the main game.... but I'll try that. I know but Shades of Night is right. The main OC campaign is unweidly, spawling and uninteresting in many parts. HOTU was great. I always thought SoU was underrated - I enjoyed it, particularly the sense of loneliness and the abandoned city. Dunno - maybe it was the music but it got to me. Rather tragic place. Anyway, SoU introduces Deekin. Possibly the best NPC in any Bioware game. I can't tell you how pleased I was to see him in NWN2 and then disappointed he didn't up sticks and come and join me as a companion. Incidentally, NWN2 is closer to DAO and later games in terms of graphics (it looks quite attractive actually) but I think I prefer the Mask of the Betrayer more than the main campaign.
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Post by melbella on Aug 20, 2016 3:44:16 GMT
I like NWN2/MotB but the controls just kill me. I end up facing the floor more than anything and the cameras are terrible. I have no idea how I managed to play the game as many times as I did. Wasn't able to finish my "evil" PT of MotB, though - I just got bored.
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Post by kizanare on Aug 26, 2016 8:27:23 GMT
I enjoyed both NWN OC and NWN hordes to be honest.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 27, 2016 19:22:27 GMT
It's my least favorite BioWare RPG, personally not a fan although it has a lot of decent stuff in it.
I say try it, see if you like it. If it were me personally, skip it.
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Post by kizanare on Aug 29, 2016 18:07:31 GMT
Ok let me be more clear... not to unnecessarily provoke her but I see NWN (along with DA:O, and BG) as quite significantly superior to the likes of KOTOR/ME/SWTOR and that whole train of thought.
They're kind of related franchises but not quite... the same... their more hardcore I guess in a sense with more possibilities but it's still Bioware on some level.
I'd say, that... it's sort of like Ancient Greece (ME and KOTOR) vs Ancient Rome, a lot of ME and KOTOR kind of deals with sort of space knights or knight-errant, as well as a bit of a romantic dash and flair similar to Arthurian Legend and all that, or as you see now perhaps in the next game, Andromeda.
NWN, on the other hand, is more akin to Ancient Rome I think... sort of like an aesthetic of the complex of power and rulership, the heart of the OC is a conflict between faith and kind of the cruel masses, yes there are romantic elements to it but it's not the focus. It takes the ideas of civil justice and concepts of right and wrong, that are frequently alluded to in the likes of KOTOR/ME and kind of hones in on it... pretty much every element of the game is coated in C&C.
I guess, that is to say, whether you like BG/NWN depends on how attached you are to romance, if you want to kind of move beyond, or are ok with that (IMO, NWN is still "romantic" it's just not romance)
Most BSNers I encountered were pretty attached to the kind of ME/DA romance thing and that aesthetic which is fine, but if you want an earlier game that has that, you are better off playing KOTOR.
However, for those willing to take the plunge, it's a pretty awesome experience, IMO.
I think the reason people gravitate towards HotU is because it offers a kind of crazy epic more spectacular sort of finish to the whole affair.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 31, 2016 6:04:08 GMT
I don't know if it's the nostalgia speaking, but I highly, HIGHLY recommend NWN. You will see where a lot of the inspiration from Dragon Age came from. That game was my first introduction to "Dark Fantasy" and completely loved it. I must have only been about 15 years old at the time... The expansions are worth playing too.
The Companions in the expansions are more like actual companions, not just hired henchmen.
The best thing about the game is that there are sooooo many ways to play it, and no real right or wrong way to do it. I played as a dual wielding ranger, then again as a fairy conjuring mage...
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Post by tainted on Sept 8, 2016 5:23:27 GMT
I see the choice as a very simple desision.
If you enjoy the AD&D 3.0 ruleset, there is no game that more effectively translates it into an egaming format. If you like AD&D 3.5, NWN2 is probably a better fit. What makes NWN1 so unique is that it is so easy for designers to morph the game into other rulesets, though I haven't yet found a d20 Pathfinder version produced (doesn't mean it can't be done, it just hasn't... yet... AFAIK).
NWN1 is the natural outlet for AD&D 3.0 PnP enthusiasts who seek to play their favorite pasttime away from the dice board.
For those whose interest is lost on AD&D gaming, play Diablo or Dungeon Siege or the glut of facsimiles.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Sept 8, 2016 13:29:57 GMT
Both NWN1 and NWN2 are permanently installed on my PC. Every time I buy a new PC or reinstall my SO they are the first thing that I install. From time to time when I get bored of the game I am playing I just load one of the many beautiful mods from the Vault and I know I won't be disappointed. So far they have provided me fun for, I don't know, 10 years?
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Post by Lilura on Sept 11, 2016 14:27:06 GMT
I think the reason people gravitate towards HotU is because it offers a kind of crazy epic more spectacular sort of finish to the whole affair. It's pretty fun, yeah. Most ppl were left wanting more, too. I mean, HotU only takes you to about lvl27 or 28. Which I guess is why Sands of Fate exists, to take you all the way to 40. But I've never tried it. The highest lvl I reached was 36 in Savant's Aielund Saga. This is the most epic campaign I have ever played, though Swordflight will likely topple it because it's already reached epic lvls with only three of six chapters complete...
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