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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 3, 2017 12:20:14 GMT
The amusing thing is that I thought Sera was a great character, but I don't think Peebee looks like Sera 2.0 at all... Its the "Screw the rules and consequences, I do my thing" what people dislike. Its a trait both Sera and Peebee seem to share. Wasn't Shepard also a believer in "screw the rules and consequences, I do my thing"? He never heeded the advice of the Citadel Council, nor did he ever hesitate to blow up the Alpha Relay, killing hundreds of thousands of Batarians in the process. Yet, everybody loves Commander Shepard!!!! What's up with that???
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 3, 2017 12:25:01 GMT
The amusing thing is that I thought Sera was a great character, but I don't think Peebee looks like Sera 2.0 at all... Its the "Screw the rules and consequences, I do my thing" what people dislike. Its a trait both Sera and Peebee seem to share. I get that, but it's a character trait that clearly manifests in a different way, under different circumstances and for different reasons, so to call Peebee Sera 2.0 seems like facile reductionist nonsense to me.
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 3, 2017 12:39:23 GMT
Its the "Screw the rules and consequences, I do my thing" what people dislike. Its a trait both Sera and Peebee seem to share. Wasn't Shepard also a believer in "screw the rules and consequences, I do my thing"? He never heeded the advice of the Citadel Council, nor did he ever hesitate to blow up the Alpha Relay, killing hundreds of thousands of Batarians in the process. Yet, everybody loves Commander Shepard!!!! What's up with that??? Eh those things you mention are apples and oranges.
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 3, 2017 12:40:51 GMT
Its the "Screw the rules and consequences, I do my thing" what people dislike. Its a trait both Sera and Peebee seem to share. I get that, but it's a character trait that clearly manifests in a different way, under different circumstances and for different reasons, so to call Peebee Sera 2.0 seems like facile reductionist nonsense to me. Oh I don't agree with everyone who claims that Peebee and Sera are exactly the same. I personally don't mind Peebee so far, though I can't wait to give her a stern talk about the escape pod thing.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 3, 2017 12:44:26 GMT
Wasn't Shepard also a believer in "screw the rules and consequences, I do my thing"? He never heeded the advice of the Citadel Council, nor did he ever hesitate to blow up the Alpha Relay, killing hundreds of thousands of Batarians in the process. Yet, everybody loves Commander Shepard!!!! What's up with that??? Eh those things you mention are apples and oranges. Commander Shepard kills a colony of 300,000 Batarians, yet, nobody bats an eye? Sera or Peebee do something impulsive (never killing 300,000 Batarians or anything so egregious) and the galaxy loses its mind!!! You, sir, are a believer in denial!!!
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 3, 2017 12:53:39 GMT
Eh those things you mention are apples and oranges. Commander Shepard kills a colony of 300,000 Batarians, yet, nobody bats an eye? Sera or Peebee do something impulsive (never killing 300,000 Batarians or anything so egregious) and the galaxy loses its mind!!! You, sir, are a believer in denial!!! Destroying the Alpha relay was unfortunate, but necessary. Without it, the Reapers would have arrived much sooner. Even in ME 3 the galaxy wasn't prepared. Imagine if they had arrived even earlier. As for ignoring the council. They were idiots most of the time who ignored Shepard's evidence. So ofcourse Shepard had to do something without their consent. Heck he didn't even really need their consent since he is a Spectre. They even say that themselves. Peebee's action has abolutely nothing in common with what Shepard has done. She knows fully well that Kallo said he couldn't land on that planet, but still lures Ryder into an escape pod and goes anyway. Afterwards we hear that Kallo can't extract us. And all she says is "Oops sorry, my bad!" She doesn't think about the consequences of her actions during that moment. And the only reason she has to get down there is because of a personal thing. That's why the Shepard comparison doesn't work. And its why I can understand why alot of people aren't happy with Peebee during that mission.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 3, 2017 13:02:04 GMT
I actually like Peebee but I agree with Ocelot, what she did and what Shepard did are entirely different. A paragon Shepard also tried to warn the colonists, from what little we've seen so far Peebee definitely did not warn Ryder.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 3, 2017 13:11:33 GMT
Destroying the Alpha relay was unfortunate, but necessary. Without it, the Reapers would have arrived much sooner. Even in ME 3 the galaxy wasn't prepared. Imagine if they had arrived even earlier. As for ignoring the council. They were idiots most of the time who ignored Shepard's evidence. So ofcourse Shepard had to do something without their consent. Heck he didn't even really need their consent since he is a Spectre. They even say that themselves. Peebee's action has abolutely nothing in common with what Shepard has done. She knows fully well that Kallo said he couldn't land on that planet, but still lures Ryder into an escape pod and goes anyway. Afterwards we hear that Kallo can't extract us. And all she says is "Oops sorry, my bad!" She doesn't think about the consequences of her actions during that moment. And the only reason she has to get down there is because of a personal thing. That's why the Shepard comparison doesn't work. And its why I can understand why alot of people aren't happy with Peebee during that mission. That's what we call an "opinion"! It wouldn't have mattered when the Reapers arrived. As you pointed out, the galaxy wasn't ready anyway. In other words, Shepard killed 300,000 batarians for no good reason. He had a choice and he decided to commit genocide! I don't see how that's anything worse than anything Sera did or Peebee will do! Shepard had no evidence! Feel free to replay through ME1 if you don't believe me. All he had were "visions" and he made baseless claims against Saren for most of the game! Is it really that hard to believe the Council, which is responsible for the well-being of the entire galaxy, wouldn't mobilize or make hasty actions based on the words of one person having "visions"? Even a Spectre is beholden to the will of the Council! Why do you think Saren had his Spectre status revoked? You can't just do anything! I agree. Peebee didn't slaughter innocent people! Just because you may not agree with Peebee's methods does not make them wrong! Considering Remnant technology is involved, it's likely the Pathfinder crew would have had to go down to the surface anyway. Peebee merely expedited the process! Considering we didn't see the entirety of the loyalty mission, you seem to make a lot of assumptions and inferences! We don't know what's going on in that loyalty mission! What you perceive as careless may be far more justified than you know! The Shepard comparison doesn't work because the player is "Shepard." Why would you criticize yourself? You wouldn't, unless you are a masochist of some kind! It's far too early and we don't know enough about Peebee to have an informed opinion one way or the other! There is no valid or credible reason to "hate" or "dislike" someone you've never even met!
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 3, 2017 13:16:48 GMT
Destroying the Alpha relay was unfortunate, but necessary. Without it, the Reapers would have arrived much sooner. Even in ME 3 the galaxy wasn't prepared. Imagine if they had arrived even earlier. As for ignoring the council. They were idiots most of the time who ignored Shepard's evidence. So ofcourse Shepard had to do something without their consent. Heck he didn't even really need their consent since he is a Spectre. They even say that themselves. Peebee's action has abolutely nothing in common with what Shepard has done. She knows fully well that Kallo said he couldn't land on that planet, but still lures Ryder into an escape pod and goes anyway. Afterwards we hear that Kallo can't extract us. And all she says is "Oops sorry, my bad!" She doesn't think about the consequences of her actions during that moment. And the only reason she has to get down there is because of a personal thing. That's why the Shepard comparison doesn't work. And its why I can understand why alot of people aren't happy with Peebee during that mission. That's what we call an "opinion"! It wouldn't have mattered when the Reapers arrived. As you pointed out, the galaxy wasn't ready anyway. In other words, Shepard killed 300,000 batarians for no good reason. He had a choice and he decided to commit genocide! I don't see how that's anything worse than anything Sera did or Peebee will do! Shepard had no evidence! Feel free to replay through ME1 if you don't believe me. All he had were "visions" and he made baseless claims against Saren for most of the game! Is it really that hard to believe the Council, which is responsible for the well-being of the entire galaxy, wouldn't mobilize or make hasty actions based on the words of one person having "visions"? Even a Spectre is beholden to the will of the Council! Why do you think Saren had his Spectre status revoked? You can't just do anything! I agree. Peebee didn't slaughter innocent people! Just because you may not agree with Peebee's methods does not make them wrong! Considering Remnant technology is involved, it's likely the Pathfinder crew would have had to go down to the surface anyway. Peebee merely expedited the process! Considering we didn't see the entirety of the loyalty mission, you seem to make a lot of assumptions and inferences! We don't know what's going on in that loyalty mission! What you perceive as careless may be far more justified than you know! The Shepard comparison doesn't work because the player is "Shepard." Why would you criticize yourself? You wouldn't, unless you are a masochist of some kind! It's far too early and we don't know enough about Peebee to have an informed opinion one way or the other! There is no valid or credible reason to "hate" or "dislike" someone you've never even met! I'm not sure if you're being serious or not. Anyway the Shepard comparison doesn't work because it doesn't work, Shepard destroyed the relay to prevent the Reapers from arriving at a time when the Galaxy would have been utterly crushed. By delaying it Shepard gave the Galaxy a chance. I'm not sure what other way there is to look at it.
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Post by Sarayne on Mar 3, 2017 13:50:15 GMT
Wow. The game isn't even out and the characters already have haters. Wait until you actually get to know her, douchebag! Judgmental assholes everywhere. This makes me so tilted and salty... I hate people sometimes.
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Post by tylerbamafan34 on Mar 3, 2017 14:19:15 GMT
To move the conversation to a different topic, is anyone else calling bullshit on Peebee's supposed reason for coming to Andromeda? You don't just up and leave because your bored of the Milky Way
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 14:23:41 GMT
To move the conversation to a different topic, is anyone else calling bullshit on Peebee's supposed reason for coming to Andromeda? You don't just up and leave because your bored of the Milky WayThis is the info we got from her writer on why she came to Andromeda. It would seem at least she didn't come to leave any negative/sad event/situation behind her. Thaty @thaty_Andrade@neilpollner Would you say Peebee's an optimist? Does she have a positive outlook? I get it if you can't answer, thx for answering so many! Neil Pollner @neilpollner@thaty_Andrade Some came to Andromeda focused on the ills they left behind, or fixated on the current troubles. Peebee is not one of them.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 3, 2017 14:28:34 GMT
Wow. The game isn't even out and the characters already have haters. Wait until you actually get to know her, douchebag! Judgmental assholes everywhere. This makes me so tilted and salty... I hate people sometimes. No reason to hate the haters. They'll look foolish when Peebee turns out to be one of the best companions when folks play the game!
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Post by Crim on Mar 3, 2017 14:47:05 GMT
Wow. The game isn't even out and the characters already have haters. Wait until you actually get to know her, douchebag! Judgmental assholes everywhere. Meh, this stuff doesn't bother me. The only opinion I care about is my own. I'll reserve judgement, wait to meet her first. I can think for myself.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 3, 2017 14:58:00 GMT
To move the conversation to a different topic, is anyone else calling bullshit on Peebee's supposed reason for coming to Andromeda? You don't just up and leave because your bored of the Milky WaySome people like adventure I guess? She's probably just intrigued by what she can find in Andromeda.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 15:27:53 GMT
To move the conversation to a different topic, is anyone else calling bullshit on Peebee's supposed reason for coming to Andromeda? You don't just up and leave because your bored of the Milky WayI don't call BS on her being an adventurer. People are weird. I hate flying, often refusing paid corporate trips as I freak out at being in the sky, but I'd give anything for a one way trip to Mars.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 3, 2017 16:37:06 GMT
The only thing I can think of is that stunt with the escape pod. That is a perfectly valid reason to not have a positive opinion about a character. But to call her the worst companion in Androdmeda. People love their hyperbole. Oh I agree that is an unfounded leap. I was just saying that there are some valid reasons to not have a positive opinion about her.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Mar 3, 2017 16:56:17 GMT
The only thing I can think of is that stunt with the escape pod. That is a perfectly valid reason to not have a positive opinion about a character. But to call her the worst companion in Androdmeda. People love their hyperbole. Ah yes... hyperbole. It's become so trendy. Saves a lot of cognitive legwork. Allows people to make points without having to be specific, and gives lots of wiggle room for backpedaling if they get called on them. Also, a handy shortcut for humor these days. Wanna be funny? Exaggerate wildly! It's hilarious! It's 2017 and facts... figures, statistics, none of that matters any more. /rant
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Post by JayKay on Mar 3, 2017 21:05:04 GMT
To move the conversation to a different topic, is anyone else calling bullshit on Peebee's supposed reason for coming to Andromeda? You don't just up and leave because your bored of the Milky WayThis is the info we got from her writer on why she came to Andromeda. It would seem at least she didn't come to leave any negative/sad event/situation behind her. Thaty @thaty_Andrade@neilpollner Would you say Peebee's an optimist? Does she have a positive outlook? I get it if you can't answer, thx for answering so many! Neil Pollner @neilpollner@thaty_Andrade Some came to Andromeda focused on the ills they left behind, or fixated on the current troubles. Peebee is not one of them. Eh...that can go either way. He says that she's not "focused" or "fixated," but that doesn't mean that she doesn't have them. It could be that a good portion of that upbeat energy is her hiding or choking back all that frustration to the point -- maybe not to the extreme of, say, Sarcastic Hawke, but along those lines.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 3, 2017 21:15:28 GMT
This is the info we got from her writer on why she came to Andromeda. It would seem at least she didn't come to leave any negative/sad event/situation behind her. Thaty @thaty_Andrade@neilpollner Would you say Peebee's an optimist? Does she have a positive outlook? I get it if you can't answer, thx for answering so many! Neil Pollner @neilpollner@thaty_Andrade Some came to Andromeda focused on the ills they left behind, or fixated on the current troubles. Peebee is not one of them. Eh...that can go either way. He says that she's not "focused" or "fixated," but that doesn't mean that she doesn't have them. It could be that a good portion of that upbeat energy is her hiding or choking back all that frustration to the point -- maybe not to the extreme of, say, Sarcastic Hawke, but along those lines. Yeah, especially since there's an implication that her past relationship is hard to talk about for her, enough that she needs a few drinks. I think she probably has some angst, at the very least, just not on the level of some of the other characters.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 3, 2017 23:40:27 GMT
Lord knows I have my own things, but uh... to each their own.
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Post by Crim on Mar 3, 2017 23:42:48 GMT
Swap out Vetra for fRyder and kick Kallo the hell out, then, maybe... I could get into that.
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Post by JayKay on Mar 4, 2017 2:05:37 GMT
Swap out Vetra for fRyder and kick Kallo the hell out, then, maybe... I could get into that. Ryder with maybe Cora or Liam, and... That said, the art itself is cute.
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