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Post by The Elder King on Jan 26, 2017 21:20:17 GMT
Personality is separated from our area of expertise though. Beside, people thought Sara was the sarcastic/snarky one, and Scott proved that he can be like that too. when it's separated why can't we just choose the expertise we like and our sibling gets the other one that we didn't picked? It's just unnecessary restriction. I don't know. I guess they didn't want to record all the variables in certain dialogues, if those are mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 21:29:08 GMT
when it's separated why can't we just choose the expertise we like and our sibling gets the other one that we didn't picked? It's just unnecessary restriction. I don't know. I guess they didn't want to record all the variables in certain dialogues, if those are mentioned. ....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 26, 2017 21:30:14 GMT
when it's separated why can't we just choose the expertise we like and our sibling gets the other one that we didn't picked? It's just unnecessary restriction. I don't know. I guess they didn't want to record all the variables in certain dialogues, if those are mentioned. Had to get rid of that for all the 'banging' apparently.
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Post by saMoorai on Jan 26, 2017 21:30:42 GMT
I hope, I can play as sarcastic/aggressive, hot-headed Ryder... I just like better this style. This is definitely how I want to play my Ryder.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 26, 2017 21:34:01 GMT
I don't know. I guess they didn't want to record all the variables in certain dialogues, if those are mentioned. Had to get rid of that for all the 'banging' apparently. I doubt the two are related. The defined background probably was decided a lot before then the romance. Thet increased the writing content of characters in general, and according to their words both friendship and romance. I don't see the reason to single out the sex part.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 26, 2017 21:35:21 GMT
Had to get rid of that for all the 'banging' apparently. I doubt the two are related. The defined background probably was decided a lot before then the romance. Thet increased the writing content of characters in general, and according to their words both friendship and romance. I don't see the reason to single out the sex part. I wasn't being serious. Just venting about two things at the same time.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 26, 2017 21:35:56 GMT
I doubt the two are related. The defined background probably was decided a lot before then the romance. Thet increased the writing content of characters in general, and according to their words both friendship and romance. I don't see the reason to single out the sex part. I wasn't being serious. Just venting about two things at the same time. Fair enough.
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Post by Gilsa on Jan 26, 2017 21:36:31 GMT
If you look at the character assessment screenshot again, there are six tabs under the descriptions. Scott is on #3 while Sara is on #4. There should be plenty of variety in backgrounds (even if it turns out that Scott and Sara cannot share the same ones).
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 26, 2017 21:42:37 GMT
Personality is separated from our area of expertise though. Beside, people thought Sara was the sarcastic/snarky one, and Scott proved that he can be like that too. when it's separated why can't we just choose the expertise we like and our sibling gets the other one that we didn't picked? It's just unnecessary restriction. Referring to every feature that isn't a choice as a "restriction" makes it seem like you're less interested in a story and more interested in a sandbox.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 21:51:04 GMT
when it's separated why can't we just choose the expertise we like and our sibling gets the other one that we didn't picked? It's just unnecessary restriction. Referring to every feature that isn't a choice as a "restriction" makes it seem like you're less interested in a story and more interested in a sandbox. I just don't like restrictions based on our gender or sexuality... people shouldn't be forced to play as Sara (if they actually prefer to play as Scott, or vice versa) to experience different personality options, backgrounds or romances...but I know, I'm quite alone with this opinion.
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Post by noviere on Jan 26, 2017 21:55:16 GMT
You can choose which background you want... So Scott can be the one who served as support for the scientists, and Sara was the one at the Arcturus relay. Source
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 26, 2017 21:59:08 GMT
You can choose which background you want... So Scott can be the one who served as support for the scientists, and Sara was the one at the Arcturus relay. SourceNope. Ian refers to training, which is different from the backstory. He clarified it on twitter.
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Post by noviere on Jan 26, 2017 22:00:07 GMT
You can choose which background you want... So Scott can be the one who served as support for the scientists, and Sara was the one at the Arcturus relay. SourceNope. Ian refers to training, which is different from the backstory. He clarified it on twitter. Ew. That's too bad. Thanks for clearing that up though.
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Post by javeart on Jan 26, 2017 22:22:59 GMT
Referring to every feature that isn't a choice as a "restriction" makes it seem like you're less interested in a story and more interested in a sandbox. I just don't like restrictions based on our gender or sexuality... people shouldn't be forced to play as Sara (if they actually prefer to play as Scott, or vice versa) to experience different personality options, backgrounds or romances...but I know, I'm quite alone with this opinion. Not completely alone I don't like them either
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Post by jjdxb on Jan 26, 2017 23:04:59 GMT
I just don't like restrictions based on our gender or sexuality... people shouldn't be forced to play as Sara (if they actually prefer to play as Scott, or vice versa) to experience different personality options, backgrounds or romances...but I know, I'm quite alone with this opinion. Not completely alone I don't like them either They're not based on gender? How are they based on gender? A difference between brother and sister does not mean that because one was male he got to be one thing and female the other. They can be different without the difference being a design choice based upon their gender. As much as the military is a traditionally male dominated field, science still is one too. If the woman was, idk, a primary school teacher then we have a problem. Yes there is a difference between brother and sister, but they're not supposed to be the same character ( because they physically aren't). Scott and Sara, unlike John and Jane, are not mutually exclusive beings in existence. There must be a difference between the two.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 26, 2017 23:17:40 GMT
Not completely alone I don't like them either They're not based on gender? How are they based on gender? A difference between brother and sister does not mean that because one was male he got to be one thing and female the other. They can be different without the difference being a design choice based upon their gender. As much as the military is a traditionally male dominated field, science still is one too. If the woman was, idk, a primary school teacher then we have a problem. Yes there is a difference between brother and sister, but they're not supposed to be the same character ( because they physically aren't). Scott and Sara, unlike John and Jane, are not mutually exclusive beings in existence. There must be a difference between the two. I suppose, "based on gender" means here: Female Ryder' and male Ryder' traits are pre-defined, and forced to play female Ryder, if you want to play for example hot-headed character, and forced to play male Ryder, if you want to play a nice character (or something similar, I hope, we will have some playing field in characterisation)
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Post by javeart on Jan 26, 2017 23:21:28 GMT
Not completely alone I don't like them either They're not based on gender? How are they based on gender? A difference between brother and sister does not mean that because one was male he got to be one thing and female the other. They can be different without the difference being a design choice based upon their gender. As much as the military is a traditionally male dominated field, science still is one too. If the woman was, idk, a primary school teacher then we have a problem. Yes there is a difference between brother and sister, but they're not supposed to be the same character ( because they physically aren't). Scott and Sara, unlike John and Jane, are not mutually exclusive beings in existence. There must be a difference between the two. That's exactly my point: if something is really based on gender and makes sense only for a woman or man, then I'm fine with it (if it's about how some else reacts to you I guess it's ok "always", if is about how you react because your a woman or a man, it's ok for me as long as is an extra option that I can choose to ignore). But if is something that has actually nothing to do with being a man or a woman, then I rather have every RP option available to me regardless of the gender I pick in the CC. And about the twins being two different characters, I still just don't see what "didn't really work" in Shepard being just one character. I simply prefer how it was done in the OT For the record, I don't feel very strongly about this particular issue, because I think that it will probably have little to no impact in Scott and Sara's personalities, and I happen to prefer in this case Sara's background, but on principle I agree with people that is annoyed by this kind of thing.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jan 26, 2017 23:26:55 GMT
Referring to every feature that isn't a choice as a "restriction" makes it seem like you're less interested in a story and more interested in a sandbox. I just don't like restrictions based on our gender or sexuality... people shouldn't be forced to play as Sara (if they actually prefer to play as Scott, or vice versa) to experience different personality options, backgrounds or romances...but I know, I'm quite alone with this opinion. You're playing two different characters, not alternate clones like Shepard, Hawke, or any other BioWare NPC. They'll have different backgrounds and "baseline" personalities (via voice actors and writing) because of that. There has to be some consistency in how they act from an "automatic" perspective since they can be NPCs, with the player offering additions and variations to that personality via their own choices. The fact that they have different romances is nothing new. Male and female characters have always had different romances with the exception of DA2. I'm sorry you want two blank slate characters, or the option to define every single aspect of them, but the former will do nothing but ironically restrict the story, and the latter carries way too much development cost because accounting for every single minute variation would demand a lot of complexity, and would end up, again, ironically restricting the story. There's literally no other way about it. The two characters exist in the same time and space, and you'll just have to deal with it. If you're disappointed, that's fine. This is the first time BioWare has had the male and female character be two separate characters. I'm interested in how they go about this.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Jan 26, 2017 23:33:49 GMT
@tom taylorson: "Do a Scott and Sara play through to really hear the differences. Fryda kills it. We approach the role very differently. So cool"
This pretty much confirms, to me at least, that playing as Scott will be notably different than playing as Sara.
Hopefully I like Scott's personality via his autodialogue. Based on what we've seen and heard so far, I think I will.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 26, 2017 23:38:19 GMT
@tom taylorson: "Do a Scott and Sara play through to really hear the differences. Fryda kills it. We approach the role very differently. So cool" This pretty much confirms, to me at least, that playing as Scott will be notably different than playing as Sara. Hopefully I like Scott's personality via his autodialogue. Based on what we've seen and heard so far, I think I will. With that, goodbye any remaining hope.
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Post by javeart on Jan 26, 2017 23:38:21 GMT
@tom taylorson: "Do a Scott and Sara play through to really hear the differences. Fryda kills it. We approach the role very differently. So cool" This pretty much confirms, to me at least, that playing as Scott will be notably different than playing as Sara. Hopefully I like Scott's personality via his autodialogue. Based on what we've seen and heard so far, I think I will. I was hoping he was talking about the VA I even gave the tweet a like in the twiiter thread I'm still hoping there's not too much autodialogue... see, the backgrounds thing doesn't worry me much, this worries me a little more
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 26, 2017 23:41:52 GMT
Based on what Bioware stated before, it's not really autodialogue they're referring to, but most/every dialogue the have, having a different tone.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Jan 26, 2017 23:52:14 GMT
Based on what Bioware stated before, it's not really autodialogue they're referring to, but most/every dialogue the have, having a different tone. Yes, but we can choose our responses, obviously. If they approached the role differently, this would also extend to autodialogue, the stuff we as the player can't control.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 26, 2017 23:53:22 GMT
Based on what Bioware stated before, it's not really autodialogue they're referring to, but most/every dialogue the have, having a different tone. Yes, but we can choose our responses, obviously. If they approached the role differently, this would also extend to autodialogue, the stuff we as the player can't control. Of course. What I meant is that his tweet doesn't necessarily mean we'll get tons of autodialogue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 0:06:10 GMT
I just don't like restrictions based on our gender or sexuality... people shouldn't be forced to play as Sara (if they actually prefer to play as Scott, or vice versa) to experience different personality options, backgrounds or romances...but I know, I'm quite alone with this opinion. You're playing two different characters, not alternate clones like Shepard, Hawke, or any other BioWare NPC. They'll have different backgrounds and "baseline" personalities (via voice actors and writing) because of that. There has to be some consistency in how they act from an "automatic" perspective since they can be NPCs, with the player offering additions and variations to that personality via their own choices. The fact that they have different romances is nothing new. Male and female characters have always had different romances with the exception of DA2. I'm sorry you want two blank slate characters, or the option to define every single aspect of them, but the former will do nothing but ironically restrict the story, and the latter carries way too much development cost because accounting for every single minute variation would demand a lot of complexity, and would end up, again, ironically restricting the story. There's literally no other way about it. The two characters exist in the same time and space, and you'll just have to deal with it. If you're disappointed, that's fine. This is the first time BioWare has had the male and female character be two separate characters. I'm interested in how they go about this. Maybe we should just agree to disagree. I don't think it's necessary to restrict the characters personality in order to make a good story. The sibling could just have the other background/personality which you haven't chose. This way the siblings would still have their own unique personality, but not based on the gender you picked but on the decision you make before you start the game. Yes, it would be more work for the voice actors and more resources are needed, but at least we could choose how to play the game without being limited to a certain gender. And "having different romances is nothing new", doesn't mean that I have to approve of always getting the less story relevant characters just because only heterosexual gamer have the right to get plot relevant characters (if you don't count the asaris which are "bisexual".... at least Liara who was one of the most - if not the most - prominent character in the series). That's why I prefer everyone being bisexual as in DA2.
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