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Feb 9, 2017 4:58:11 GMT @massbass said:

Sounds logical to me. I can see a decent amount of people complaining if the twins' dialogue was too different from each other especially if it led to different outcomes. Since we can choose from varied personalities such as the one that was hovered over in the game play featuring Sara with the confusion icon, I'm thinking it'll be less about them having different personalities, since we're able to choose different types of dialogue in the first place, and more about how how they are delivered.
Sara's comment in the demo "A hothead...great." can be Scott saying "So...a hothead, just what I needed." Simple tweaks like this are the most I expect from varied dialogue (aside from background specific dialogue) in this game.

These kinds of things are exactly what I don't want. I want to be able to choose the tone and inflection, not be arbitrarily restricted just because of whether my Ryder is a boy or a girl.

But you could never choose how a character said a line, only what they said it. I can't think of any game where you can and certainly no Bioware game.

I honestly don't see the problem. It is the same exact line, what the line is meant to portray is the same, nothing changes between the characters but delivery.
There have been some lines in Mass Effect and DAI that are exactly the same but done differently in tone/inflection by the voice actors.

I can only see it adding to replayability between the two genders. You may not like a certain way one of the twins says things, but that's no different than those who didn't like Mark Meer's or Jennifer Hale's performance. It's just one of those things.

I don't see this as restriction.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 10, 2017 7:04:41 GMT via mobile saberchic, Navee, and 1 more like this

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Feb 9, 2017 4:58:11 GMT @massbass said:

Sounds logical to me. I can see a decent amount of people complaining if the twins' dialogue was too different from each other especially if it led to different outcomes. Since we can choose from varied personalities such as the one that was hovered over in the game play featuring Sara with the confusion icon, I'm thinking it'll be less about them having different personalities, since we're able to choose different types of dialogue in the first place, and more about how how they are delivered.
Sara's comment in the demo "A hothead...great." can be Scott saying "So...a hothead, just what I needed." Simple tweaks like this are the most I expect from varied dialogue (aside from background specific dialogue) in this game.

These kinds of things are exactly what I don't want. I want to be able to choose the tone and inflection, not be arbitrarily restricted just because of whether my Ryder is a boy or a girl.

I don't think it's arbitrary, because they aren't the same person. If this was like the original trilogy, I'd agree with you, because Jane and John could not exist at the same time - they are the same person. But Scott and Sara are their own characters.

Also, the restriction is not founded upon their sex. There would be differences there if both Ryders twins were the same sex.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 10, 2017 16:51:38 GMT

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These kinds of things are exactly what I don't want. I want to be able to choose the tone and inflection, not be arbitrarily restricted just because of whether my Ryder is a boy or a girl.

I don't think it's arbitrary, because they aren't the same person. If this was like the original trilogy, I'd agree with you, because Jane and John could not exist at the same time - they are the same person. But Scott and Sara are their own characters.

Also, the restriction is not founded upon their sex. There would be differences there if both Ryders twins were the same sex.

Yes, I also think it wouldn't matter if the twins were fraternal or not. They both exist, and will therefore be different people. I think it would be different if this game was like TES series, where you can basically do whatever you want, but it's not. There has to be some kind of restriction on character and/or actions because this isn't an open world sandbox game. I think to expect any different is asking for disappointment.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 10, 2017 16:59:12 GMT

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Feb 10, 2017 6:34:24 GMT fantasticfantasy said:

These kinds of things are exactly what I don't want. I want to be able to choose the tone and inflection, not be arbitrarily restricted just because of whether my Ryder is a boy or a girl.

But you could never choose how a character said a line, only what they said it. I can't think of any game where you can and certainly no Bioware game.

I honestly don't see the problem. It is the same exact line, what the line is meant to portray is the same, nothing changes between the characters but delivery.
There have been some lines in Mass Effect and DAI that are exactly the same but done differently in tone/inflection by the voice actors.

I can only see it adding to replayability between the two genders. You may not like a certain way one of the twins says things, but that's no different than those who didn't like Mark Meer's or Jennifer Hale's performance. It's just one of those things.

I don't see this as restriction.

I'm glad it adds replayability for you. For me, it absolutely butchers replayability and roleplaying. It is a restriction, and one that isn't needed.

These kinds of things are exactly what I don't want. I want to be able to choose the tone and inflection, not be arbitrarily restricted just because of whether my Ryder is a boy or a girl.

I don't think it's arbitrary, because they aren't the same person. If this was like the original trilogy, I'd agree with you, because Jane and John could not exist at the same time - they are the same person. But Scott and Sara are their own characters.

Also, the restriction is not founded upon their sex. There would be differences there if both Ryders twins were the same sex.

No, they aren't. When they are not chosen to be our character, sure then they can be different from each other since they are NPCs. But when chosen to be our protagonist, they are the same character: our character.

Even if that was the case, we don't have them both being the same sex. We have them being the opposite sex and thus my point stands. If you want to have your character act like this, you have to play as a boy. If you want your character to be like that, you have to play as a girl.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 10, 2017 22:14:18 GMT Navee likes this

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Post by fantasticfantasy on Feb 10, 2017 22:14:18 GMT

Feb 10, 2017 6:34:24 GMT fantasticfantasy said:

But you could never choose how a character said a line, only what they said it. I can't think of any game where you can and certainly no Bioware game.

I honestly don't see the problem. It is the same exact line, what the line is meant to portray is the same, nothing changes between the characters but delivery.
There have been some lines in Mass Effect and DAI that are exactly the same but done differently in tone/inflection by the voice actors.

I can only see it adding to replayability between the two genders. You may not like a certain way one of the twins says things, but that's no different than those who didn't like Mark Meer's or Jennifer Hale's performance. It's just one of those things.

I don't see this as restriction.

I'm glad it adds replayability for you. For me, it absolutely butchers replayability and roleplaying. It is a restriction, and one that isn't needed.

I don't think it's arbitrary, because they aren't the same person. If this was like the original trilogy, I'd agree with you, because Jane and John could not exist at the same time - they are the same person. But Scott and Sara are their own characters.

Also, the restriction is not founded upon their sex. There would be differences there if both Ryders twins were the same sex.

No, they aren't. When they are not chosen to be our character, sure then they can be different from each other since they are NPCs. But when chosen to be our protagonist, they are the same character: our character.

Even if that was the case, we don't have them both being the same sex. We have them being the opposite sex and thus my point stands. If you want to have your character act like this, you have to play as a boy. If you want your character to be like that, you have to play as a girl.

I don't understand how something you never had control over can be a restriction. You could never control they way lines were said, only choose what was said. Shepherds lines never had an option for how to say as well.

You still have the same amount of control as you had before, they took nothing away.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 11, 2017 0:17:17 GMT Navee, lightdrago3, and 1 more like this

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Feb 10, 2017 6:34:24 GMT fantasticfantasy said:

But you could never choose how a character said a line, only what they said it. I can't think of any game where you can and certainly no Bioware game.

I honestly don't see the problem. It is the same exact line, what the line is meant to portray is the same, nothing changes between the characters but delivery.
There have been some lines in Mass Effect and DAI that are exactly the same but done differently in tone/inflection by the voice actors.

I can only see it adding to replayability between the two genders. You may not like a certain way one of the twins says things, but that's no different than those who didn't like Mark Meer's or Jennifer Hale's performance. It's just one of those things.

I don't see this as restriction.

I'm glad it adds replayability for you. For me, it absolutely butchers replayability and roleplaying. It is a restriction, and one that isn't needed.

I don't think it's arbitrary, because they aren't the same person. If this was like the original trilogy, I'd agree with you, because Jane and John could not exist at the same time - they are the same person. But Scott and Sara are their own characters.

Also, the restriction is not founded upon their sex. There would be differences there if both Ryders twins were the same sex.

No, they aren't. When they are not chosen to be our character, sure then they can be different from each other since they are NPCs. But when chosen to be our protagonist, they are the same character: our character.

Even if that was the case, we don't have them both being the same sex. We have them being the opposite sex and thus my point stands. If you want to have your character act like this, you have to play as a boy. If you want your character to be like that, you have to play as a girl.

You can only choose one of them. The moment you do, the other one is their own character. No matter what you do, they'll always be different characters.

My point regarding the sex is that their differences in terms of the fact that they are not the same character are not founded upon their sex. The only way what you claim can be true is if Sara acts the way she does because she is a girl. As far as I am concerned, the fact that she is a women is entirely irrelevant to the question of her personality. In the question of cause-and-effect, sex is neither. The cause is Sara, the effect is a different personality. Yes, female is an attribute of Sara, but it is not the predicator for her character.

It's Sara = Unique personality + womanhood. Not Womanhood -> Sara + Unique personality. Yes, you happen to be playing a woman, but more importantly you are playing Sara.

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Feb 11, 2017 0:17:17 GMT jjdxb said:

I'm glad it adds replayability for you. For me, it absolutely butchers replayability and roleplaying. It is a restriction, and one that isn't needed.

No, they aren't. When they are not chosen to be our character, sure then they can be different from each other since they are NPCs. But when chosen to be our protagonist, they are the same character: our character.

Even if that was the case, we don't have them both being the same sex. We have them being the opposite sex and thus my point stands. If you want to have your character act like this, you have to play as a boy. If you want your character to be like that, you have to play as a girl.

You can only choose one of them. The moment you do, the other one is their own character. No matter what you do, they'll always be different characters.

My point regarding the sex is that their differences in terms of the fact that they are not the same character are not founded upon their sex. The only way what you claim can be true is if Sara acts the way she does because she is a girl. As far as I am concerned, the fact that she is a women is entirely irrelevant to the question of her personality. In the question of cause-and-effect, sex is neither. The cause is Sara, the effect is a different personality. Yes, female is an attribute of Sara, but it is not the predicator for her character.

It's Sara = Unique personality + womanhood. Not Womanhood -> Sara + Unique personality. Yes, you happen to be playing a woman, but more importantly you are playing Sara.

As I said, them being different characters while they are NPCs is fine. It is not fine when they are the PC though. All the options should be available regardless of sex.

What if I want to play Scott but have Sarah's personality, or play Sarah but with Scott's personality? I can't, unless I want my Scott to have a vagina(play Sarah) or my Sarah have a penis(play Scott). That's not right.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 11, 2017 0:49:19 GMT

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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 11, 2017 0:49:19 GMT

Feb 10, 2017 22:14:18 GMT fantasticfantasy said:

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I'm glad it adds replayability for you. For me, it absolutely butchers replayability and roleplaying. It is a restriction, and one that isn't needed.

No, they aren't. When they are not chosen to be our character, sure then they can be different from each other since they are NPCs. But when chosen to be our protagonist, they are the same character: our character.

Even if that was the case, we don't have them both being the same sex. We have them being the opposite sex and thus my point stands. If you want to have your character act like this, you have to play as a boy. If you want your character to be like that, you have to play as a girl.

I don't understand how something you never had control over can be a restriction. You could never control they way lines were said, only choose what was said. Shepherds lines never had an option for how to say as well.

You still have the same amount of control as you had before, they took nothing away.

Restriction: the limitation or control of someone or something, or the state of being limited or restricted.
So something never being an option is still a restriction. I know this is a hyperbolic comparison but people born into slavery were still restricted from freedom despite never having it to begin with.
In the good days of Shepard, they at least tried to match the emotion with each line. With the later Shepard they didn't but I hate how they did that. Now they are going even further down that direction.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 11, 2017 1:32:42 GMT via mobile

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I will not buy MEA by release but I am interested in the CC. It would be awesome when I could use Sims3 faces as preferences. This could help create more face variations.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 6:12:22 GMT dalinne, Navee, and 3 more like this

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Decorating thread with Scott stuff:

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 11:28:31 GMT

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Feb 12, 2017 6:12:22 GMT @massbass said:

I want those brown eyes back so badly

Then I hope for your sake you can change it in CC, because they changed defaults eyes to blue

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 16:04:27 GMT

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Post by Kian on Feb 12, 2017 16:04:27 GMT

I want those brown eyes back so badly

Then I hope for your sake you can change it in CC, because they changed defaults eyes to blue

I like to think they're not as silly as to go for the creepy/terrified blue eyes Scott has in the character kit. I thought that was result of bad lighting/perspective/etc like everything bad in those kit images... which is everything.

What's the point of having a male model face scan if you're going to change things? Just to have a template to start from? That seems ridiculously lazy.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 16:10:49 GMT

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Feb 12, 2017 16:04:27 GMT Kian said:

Then I hope for your sake you can change it in CC, because they changed defaults eyes to blue

I like to think they're not as silly as to go for the creepy/terrified blue eyes Scott has in the character kit. I thought that was result of bad lighting/perspective/etc like everything bad in those kit images... which is everything.

What's the point of having a male model face scan if you're going to change things? Just to have a template to start from? That seems ridiculously lazy.

They are blue not only in character kit, but also in the trailer #2

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 16:12:36 GMT

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Post by Kian on Feb 12, 2017 16:12:36 GMT

Feb 12, 2017 16:10:49 GMT Vall said:

Feb 12, 2017 16:04:27 GMT Kian said:

I like to think they're not as silly as to go for the creepy/terrified blue eyes Scott has in the character kit. I thought that was result of bad lighting/perspective/etc like everything bad in those kit images... which is everything.

What's the point of having a male model face scan if you're going to change things? Just to have a template to start from? That seems ridiculously lazy.

They are blue not only in character kit, but also in the trailer #2

Oh well, I'll live I suppose :rollseyes:

Still curious to find out if we can edit the default preset this time (unlike previous ME games)

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 16:13:33 GMT

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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 12, 2017 16:13:33 GMT

I want those brown eyes back so badly

Then I hope for your sake you can change it in CC, because they changed defaults eyes to blue

Do we know that for a fact? It could just be showing us, in a roundabout way, how even the default could be altered.

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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 16:24:35 GMT Navee, Kaazmiin, and 1 more like this

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"It wouldn't fit the character" narative :hue:

SPOILER: Click to show

Most people will get what I'm getting at lol...

Anyway, was browsing around for funny CC memes and found this, thought it was funny and sadly appropriate considering how things seem to be in regards to a gay Scott

and his romance (more specifically the romance's relevance when compared to str8 ones).

PS: yes yes, I know, but hey, no one hopes more than I do for me to be wrong :hue:

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Dropping this "Scott" stuff on the page from the twitter thread:
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Scott Ryder 'BroRyder' (Official Thread) Feb 12, 2017 17:28:11 GMT Joey, Elsariel, and 1 more like this

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Feb 12, 2017 6:12:22 GMT @massbass said:

I want those brown eyes back so badly

I just want this entire face back if I'm being completely honest

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Feb 12, 2017 16:13:33 GMT dmc1001 said: