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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 13, 2017 7:53:06 GMT
1. I realise you've probably seen this by now since it's been so long since this post - sorry, my bad! - but it looks like they've confirmed we'll be getting some kind of Deluxe upgrade option for the regular edition: Derek French @bio_derek There will be a Deluxe upgrade. The exact launch timing is still being worked out.Still not ideal, obviously - it'd be nice to be able to pick and choose between the Deluxe Edition stuff a la carte - but at least the option of getting the hoodie'll be there no matter how you originally bought the game. Speaking of, I think the outfit looks pretty cool--not N7 hoodie cool, but still decent. I'd probably buy a real-life version. (Helps that it looks like a greyscale Starfleet uniform with the AI logo in place of the combadge. ) Yeah. Proper multi-colour options for hair are definitely still something I want, but Cora's 'do doesn't really imply anything either way--as you say, they've never been shy about giving companions - and even generic NPCs - unique options that aren't available to the player. From the back, that MP character's bob looks pretty much perfect, holy wow! And I really dig her armour, too--specially the colour. And yeah, a big part of why I've ended up deciding to go all-out with making a Sabine clone is the jump pack, and all the other Mandalorian-esque abilities it looks like we're gonna have access to! Yeah, it's the price - combined with the foibles/cost of US-UK shipping - that's giving me pause. Well, that and the fact I've never had a leather-look jacket before--my wardrobe's similarly style-challenged. Still, I'll get there eventually! Thinking of buying one of these Kaidan hoodies on clearance in the meantime--he's not my favourite character, but I really like the Spectre colour scheme. 2. I wish I could find the tweets I originally got that story from--Twitter's really unwieldy when you want to go back more than a day or two all the time, forever. 3. Yeah, so odd how all the 'nah, that didn't count' trailers happen to show off Scott. And almost all the screenshots they've released... And all the preview shots of special edition/pre-order armour... and the Pathfinder outfit... I'm not so sure about the idea of having both twins in the same trailer, since while they both exist at the same, one'd be there as the protagonist while the other'd just be another supporting character... And I bet I know which one'd be which. Unless you meant alternating between the two as protagonist, which yeah, that'd be good--but also something they could easily do by alternating the trailers properly, as they said they'd do... I mean, I'm just saying, after female Shepard got shafted so thoroughly in the OT's marketing/wasn't the 'default Shepard' in the CC, to the point a lot of people - anecdotally, at least - didn't even realise you could play as a woman, it's really not too much to ask for Sara and Scott to have an equal share of the limelight this time around. 4. I'm still not pleased by the set backstories for the two twins... But I have to admit, I'm glad my preferred gender/twin is the nerdier one. Here's hoping they follow through on that characterisation and, as you say, "Just have the protagonist do the exposition instead!" 5. Take this with a grain of salt, 'cause I can't remember where I originally heard it - always a possibility it was some speculation-fueled fever dream or something - but I believe the idea is that, this time, all the face presets are gonna be based on models. Which would imply that we'll be able to edit face-scanned presets, at last! 6. I know, but a cool pair of specs - at least for use in our downtime - would really help with a few of the looks I have in mind for Ryder. Or a still-cooler pair of shades! And yeah, I'd like some visor options. I almost always had my Shepard wear a Kuwashii visor in the OT. 7. Various allergies, mainly, and also something to do with stomach acid reflux. Enumerated here.8. I don't mind it, really - if the game were to play out in such a way as to have the N7 armour associated with Ryder somehow, perhaps in how it relates to her relationship with her father, I'd be cool with that - but I'm actually with you on preferring the base Pathfinder/AI armour, overall--it'd make for a super cool figure. I will say that the Ryder N7 figures don't actually look all that Shepard-ish to me, though, largely 'cause their armour - N7 logo aside - doesn't really look like Shepard's iconic gear to me--particularly when it comes to the helmet, chest and arms. I'm also quite glad they went with a helmet instead of a face-sculpt, in part because I really like those bubble helmets, and also 'cause the face sculpts on cheaper figures tend to leave a fair bit to be desired. There's a reason - beyond it looking super badass - I leave my Black Series Sabine's helmet on most of the time. 1. Actually no, I hadn't seen that, thanks! I suppose since DA:I got one it makes sense. Nice to know I can still get that stuff if I chicken out of pre-ordering Indeed, I like it - not as much as the N7 hoodie, but it's good. At least from the tiny blurry picture I saw. Ha, I suppose it does look like one I agree! Hair looks good, purple armour looks good. Figuratively holding my breath until I see the front of it. Hope it works for Sabine, too! I can imagine; shipping to Canada (which is frustrating since Bioware is Canadian ) is bad enough, I can only imagine overseas shipping rates! Well, I've gotten a few compliments on the jacket regardless of if they knew it was Mass Effect, so I don't think you have to worry about the leather part. I like Kaidan, but yeah, they're good colours. Which is why it's dumb that for some reason the ladies' versions of that hoodie/shirt come in lighter colours I mean, I think ladies look good in dark colours, but I guess they don't 2. That's fine. Yes indeed. Ah, this brings back memories of discussing why we needed to start this forum in the first place. Don't you see? Twitter is superior to forums for discussions 3. You are, sadly, probably right about who'd get the protag role. But yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of them alternating within the trailer, like the Fallout (launch?) trailer did. It worked there, it can work here. Obviously I think they should actually alternate between trailers, but I'd still like to see them both once. Not only is it not too much to ask (how can "can we have the same amount of X?" possibly be too much to ask?), but it would be smart for marketing. I mean, isn't that obvious? You get effective marketing out to more kinds of people, getting them interested. I can tell you it works both personally and otherwise. First, I saw stuff for ME2 on the old Xbox 360 dashboard back in the day. The cover looked like a scifi shooter with another generic 30-year-old white guy with short dark hair. Didn't draw me in to know more. Years later, the ME3 demo was out and I decided to give it a try - I like scifi, after all! I've never seen a description of a game that said whether you could play male or female and this was no exception, so I didn't know I could until launching it. Holy crap, what's this?! The hero can be a woman? Keep in mind, I hadn't played any RPGs at this point, so this was both the first time I could choose as well as the first game I played to have a female protagonist (both because they were even more rare back then and because my game library was small). And ME3 had a whopping one trailer featuring female Shepard*. Congratulations Bioware, you missed out on some potential customers and fans who did the same thing to ME3 that I did to ME2 by having poor marketing. I didn't play Skyrim until four years after it was released because I didn't know you could play as anyone but that Nord guy seen in 100% of the marketing - and I did see the marketing. Knowing I could actually mix things up a little and play as a female (or any other race) would have been very helpful, and I know I'm not the only one. Bethesda very nearly didn't have an additional customer. Second: Don't believe me? Well, my girlfriend told me about a small game developer asking on Reddit (if I remember correctly) why Bioware games have an even split for gender among fans, because they wanted to succeed. The answer is simple: You can play as a woman. So obviously actually letting people know you can do that in your game is paramount if you want to tap into 50% of the market. Therefore, market it accordingly. Bethesda is improving (Fallout 4), but it and Bioware still have a ways to go. DA:I was an improvement over ME3, but it's not hard to improve on garbage (try it again). My eye will be on the next TES as well. *And they didn't just call the trailer "ME3: Reinstated" (Just another trailer, normal, like all the others). No, they had to call it "ME3: Reinstated (Femshep trailer)", emphasizing the problem you mentioned above: That even according to Bioware themselves (at the time), the female variant of the protagonist isn't default - she's some "other", "alternate" protagonist. Come on. If this wasn't the case, proper marketing would occur without effort. So that unintentionally-long rant brings me back to ME:A and the fact that, quite frustratingly in multiple ways, Bioware still can't even live up to their own promise of equal marketing. So I don't find it at all hard to believe that some people didn't realize you could play as a woman. 4. 100% Agree. 5. Well, it wouldn't matter to me much either way, since I always customize, but it would be cool as long as we can edit them. The presets in DA:I were... not great, so having better baselines to start from would be good. 6. More options are always good. It was cool that we could do that in Fallout, for sure. My girlfriend always wears glasses and so put them on her character, and I put them on mine sometimes as well (mostly aviators, though )... Partly to get used to getting glasses in real life at the time. Yeah, I'm weird. Plus, you've got to get that +1 Perception! 7. Ah, thanks. It being in Citadel explains it - I only played it once, as soon as it came out. 8. You're definitely right about the armour itself, it's quite different. And the N7 being on the other side was probably the first thing I noticed about the entirety of ME:A after seeing Alec in the first trailer It's just the fact that it's N7 that makes me feel like that. It also makes me confused, as ever, about them initially trying to distance Ryder from Shepard so much. And to be honest, if I can't play as Shep, I'd like the new person to be distinct so I won't just wish I was playing as Shep the whole game Holy figurines, Batman! Nice. And lol @ pink Rebel icon on Stormtrooper helmet Personally I've never been a huge fan of bubble helmets, both aesthetically and because they don't look very structurally sound. Legion would understand The Cora thread got one, so you get one too. Enjoy. There is very big difference between quality and what you personally find attractive. Keep that in mind, because this comparison isn't just about making the texture quality better or something similar, it completely alters her features, so it's not really a fair comparison. Mainly the jawline. It's also an unfair comparison because (as far as I can tell) you used real-life assets. Sure, the eyes look better, but it's sort of meaningless since real eyes will always look better. Plus, it's just one picture. I found my character to look better, quality-wise, than this in DA:I, so logically ME:A should look the same or better. I'll wait for the final game and more than one angle to judge. If you want to make a point, it helps to compare something useful, like other characters by Bioware or other developers. Either way, the only thing I like better aesthetically (not quality-wise) about the right picture is the mouth, so obviously this kind of thing is - no surprise - in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by Serza on Feb 13, 2017 8:43:14 GMT
Hey, troll alerts are pinging red all over the place. I wonder why?
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Post by velvetstraitjacket on Feb 13, 2017 15:23:52 GMT
Still looks a hell of a lot more like an authentic person than the one on the left. That's all I'm saying. The one on the left looks like an authentic person with no make up or touch ups -- the one on the right, frankly, looks like someone who's had their eyes and nose shrunken down via devious voodoo magic. Let's not forget that the one on the left is a face scan, of an actual real girl, while the other one is edited to fit someone's beauty ideals. To me, she looks like a snapchat filter lol. And her pencil neck would fucking snap if she put a hat on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 17:57:02 GMT
Since things are a little quiet here's a song that seems to suit some thoughts surrounding Sara, Alec and an antagonist.
Enemy of my enemy type thing. Love the western theme to this.
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Post by vonuber on Feb 13, 2017 22:23:46 GMT
I wouldn't exactly say Bioware has a stellar track record in creating female characters. Compare the default against two imports from ME1/2 (made using the ME1 creator): They are not amazing, but considering mine were created in ME1 and translated over, and theirs was the product of a professional studio with people whose job it is to do these things... yeah. Incidentally, I forgot how annoying the intro for ME3 is. I literally alt-tabbed out whilst it played through - you have to make 3(?) I think dialogue choices until you actually get control an eternity later.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 14, 2017 4:05:24 GMT
I wouldn't exactly say Bioware has a stellar track record in creating female characters. Compare the default against two imports from ME1/2 (made using the ME1 creator): *snip* They are not amazing, but considering mine were created in ME1 and translated over, and theirs was the product of a professional studio with people whose job it is to do these things... yeah. Incidentally, I forgot how annoying the intro for ME3 is. I literally alt-tabbed out whilst it played through - you have to make 3(?) I think dialogue choices until you actually get control an eternity later. I was never much of a fan of ME3 default Shepard. She looked too much like a doll, too made-up. It's too bad you have to mod to get her hair or freckles, though. That said, I'm only talking about the ingame render. The actual artwork of her is amazing! Sure, this and the ingame model share the same basic features, but the facial structure is completely different and the art is less made-up by far. Too bad this design was lost in translation somewhere along the way... And it's also too bad that these two pictures are all of the official artwork for female Shepard for the entire trilogy. Yeah Anyway, the point is that in that case I think it's less about Bioware making good or bad quality faces, and more about you and I not being overly fond of the design they used. I really like default Hawke(s), for instance. In DA2. They butchered Marian's look in DA:I. Aaaand that was another case where I really wanted to use her hair... Glad we're finally past that problem in ME:A, at least for default protags. There will still probably be NPC hair we can't use, don't worry!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 6:39:52 GMT
I literally hate default FemShep so much. She's so ech. I mean, as a whole, I'm not a FemShep fan because I didn't really like Hale's performance (not that I don't like Hale, she's actually amazing, but it feels like she was so bitchy in ME even as a Paragon), but her default appearance for ME3 was actually my least favorite out of all of the potential contest options, and I'm still salty about it. She looks so fake. Sheploo is based off of a model, but at least he looks practical and not like a 40 year old masquerading as someone in their early 20s.
Ahem... Anyway, I like Sara. She looks cute. Even if she doesn't have perfect Goddess features. Truthfully, with the so far abysmal male romance options, I'm considering just playing as Sara. Lately I've been going with female protagonists more often.
I mean, I wanted to go with Scott because I like having a stand-in avatar when I play story based games, but so far I'm just not sure if I feel like I can connect with the guy, in addition to the previously mentioned romance issue. It's going to be a tough choice come launch day.
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Post by kansasmarcelo on Feb 14, 2017 8:20:50 GMT
The Cora thread got one, so you get one too. Enjoy. NOPE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 10:52:54 GMT
Dropping a Sara Ryder screen from Amazon:
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Post by Sarayne on Feb 14, 2017 11:55:22 GMT
Sara has gotten prettier since the last trailer in my opinion.(even tho she looked great in that trailer)
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Post by Dazzle on Feb 14, 2017 14:44:39 GMT
Dropping a Sara Ryder screen from Amazon: Ohhh, that's not terrible at all! And here I was concerned. Still not going default though. Half my fun comes from spending days in the CC.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Feb 14, 2017 15:37:52 GMT
I've always planned to make custom FRyder, but I did like the look of Sara. Especially the one just posted with the Krogan.
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Post by sgtsteel91 on Feb 14, 2017 15:46:10 GMT
So who here is going to use "Sarah" as SisRyder's name?
"Sara" just bugs me for some reason.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Feb 14, 2017 16:02:20 GMT
So who here is going to use "Sarah" as SisRyder's name? "Sara" just bugs me for some reason. I'm completely changing my Ryder's name to "Mirai" but your post has me curious....Would the game not pronounce "Sarah" as they suggested would be possible with "Sara" just because of the H? Haha
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Post by Vall on Feb 14, 2017 16:27:58 GMT
So who here is going to use "Sarah" as SisRyder's name? "Sara" just bugs me for some reason. I'm completely changing my Ryder's name to "Mirai" but your post has me curious....Would the game not pronounce "Sarah" as they suggested would be possible with "Sara" just because of the H? Haha It is likely that using "Sarah" would cause lines to switch to ones with Ryder instead of Sara ones. But it really depends on how do the devs decide to script it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 14, 2017 16:32:20 GMT
Dropping a Sara Ryder screen from Amazon: Ohhh, that's not terrible at all! And here I was concerned. Still not going default though. Half my fun comes from spending days in the CC. mine as well yeah while she's not that pretty it is starting to look better but then like you I prefer to create my own protags so it wouldn't really matter how Sara looked to me tbh as I have my own ideas of what I want to do and how I want her to look. So I'll likely be sticking to them within the CC's limits of course.
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Post by saberchic on Feb 14, 2017 16:37:26 GMT
I'm completely changing my Ryder's name to "Mirai" but your post has me curious....Would the game not pronounce "Sarah" as they suggested would be possible with "Sara" just because of the H? Haha It is likely that using "Sarah" would cause lines to switch to ones with Ryder instead of Sara ones. But it really depends on how do the devs decide to script it. That is what they said would happen. "Sara" gets you the name while "Sarah" gets you Ryder or pathfinder or whatever.
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Post by Vall on Feb 14, 2017 16:42:54 GMT
It is likely that using "Sarah" would cause lines to switch to ones with Ryder instead of Sara ones. But it really depends on how do the devs decide to script it. That is what they said would happen. "Sara" gets you the name while "Sarah" gets you Ryder or pathfinder or whatever. Didn't see them saying that, but I said it was likely...simpler to make it that way (and you don't have to find all the alternate spellings for it )
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 14, 2017 21:35:01 GMT
She looks better here, but I don't understand how Bioware couldn't make her to look much more accurate to her face model, like Scott. Still, she looks cute, I guess.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 14, 2017 22:11:26 GMT
Curious about how our dynamic with Nakmor Kesh might be. Maybe Ryder does some quests specifically for her? Or trusts Ryder with some top secret info?
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Post by Vall on Feb 14, 2017 22:14:27 GMT
Curious about how our dynamic with Nakmor Kesh might be. Maybe Ryder does some quests specifically for her? Or trusts Ryder with some top secret info? Hard to say since except for her name and role we know pretty much nothing about her. But she might be the part of the council like people who we "might want to hang up on".
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 14, 2017 22:20:57 GMT
Curious about how our dynamic with Nakmor Kesh might be. Maybe Ryder does some quests specifically for her? Or trusts Ryder with some top secret info? Hard to say since except for her name and role we know pretty much nothing about her. But she might be the part of the council like people who we "might want to hang up on". I do have a small theory about her in her thread that might relate to our squad, but other than that I have no idea what kind of person she might be. Mostly going by this image, it sounds like whatever she's chatting with our character about, it seems pretty important. Or, it could just be a funny scene. Who knows
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Post by Dazzle on Feb 14, 2017 22:21:53 GMT
Looking from the side, I really like her body model. She's not as full on top as I've come to expect; she's more realistically portioned.
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Post by Vall on Feb 14, 2017 22:25:42 GMT
Looking from the side, I really like her body model. She's not as full on top as I've come to expect; she's more realistically portioned. Yeah, her body is ok. If I could choose I would have gone with smaller, a bit taller frame, but it's not bad.
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Post by saberchic on Feb 15, 2017 1:52:25 GMT
Looking from the side, I really like her body model. She's not as full on top as I've come to expect; she's more realistically portioned. Yes, I really like it too. She's perfect as is.
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