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Post by disi on Jan 10, 2017 15:11:08 GMT
Wow, good information. Being some sort of completionist, yes I also mine every single planet in the galaxy to poor status, I had 10 squad members saved and it didn't feel stressful the last time. The decisions were logical, but Kelly died and the doc because I sent her alone. Mordin died AFAIR (shot closing the door). I avoid getting the IFF in my current game of ME2. Grunt is still in his tube
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Post by disi on Jan 13, 2017 13:40:59 GMT
Hmm, I tried to make it so that Samara, Thane and Miranda die a tragic death. Following this chart: i.stack.imgur.com/dILld.jpg (from the first post) Miranda is immortal. I did not recruit Samara yet, this would be a way to kill Thane, whom I didn't recruit yet but then I would need to recruit Samara. Actual plan: Vents Specialist -> Tali (loyal) First Fireteam -> Jacob (loyal) Biotic Specialist -> Jack (loyal) Second Fireteam -> Garrus (loyal) Escort -> Grunt (loyal) Miranda (unloyal). Samara not recruited. Thane not recruited. I have all others recruited and loyal. I have done all quests I know of before getting the IFF. All known systems and planets scanned. I plan to kill, sell or just leave Legion turned off if possible (he was a problem with Tali in ME3 the last time and caused her tragic death).
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Post by themikefest on Jan 13, 2017 14:12:41 GMT
Hmm, I tried to make it so that Samara, Thane and Miranda die a tragic death. Here's a suggestion. Don't get the thannix cannon upgrade for the Normandy. Thane will be killed. If Samara and Miranda are not loyal, take both to fight the proto reaper. Both will die Not quite. Just can't die as easily as the others You can recruit Thane and not Samara. The same if doing it the other way around Surprised you chose to have Grunt escort the crew back. I usually send Mordin back and have Grunt hold the line. If the geth is given to Cerberus Shepard will make a comment when encountering the geth vi on the dreadnought in ME3 If the geth is not activated Shepard will make no comment on the dreadnought in ME3
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Post by disi on Jan 13, 2017 15:34:19 GMT
Hmm, I tried to make it so that Samara, Thane and Miranda die a tragic death. Here's a suggestion. Don't get the thannix cannon upgrade for the Normandy. Thane will be killed. If Samara and Miranda are not loyal, take both to fight the proto reaper. Both will die Very good, I also just noticed I need to scroll to the right on the chart The final battle is the perfect cleanup method! We have already every available squad upgrade, I think. Also all ship upgrades. A bunch of weapons are still missing though (only two versions of shotguns etc.) I absolut agree with Grunt holding the line. Vents Specialist -> Tali (loyal) First Fireteam -> Jacob (loyal) Biotic Specialist -> Jack (loyal) Second Fireteam -> Garrus (loyal) Escort -> Mordin (loyal) Hold the Line -> Grunt (loyal) Final Fight -> Miranda (unloyal) and Jack (loyal) I don't remember, can Jack do both, be the Biotic shield and fight the endboss? Both there and Miranda dies would be... interesting. Or I get Samara, she isn't too bad, because Jack has to help with the Proto Reaper "Shoot the damn tube!"
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Post by themikefest on Jan 13, 2017 16:04:17 GMT
I don't remember, can Jack do both, be the Biotic shield and fight the endboss? Both there and Miranda dies would be... interesting. Or I get Samara, she isn't too bad, because Jack has to help with the Proto Reaper "Shoot the damn tube!" Jack can do both. If a squadmate is not loyal, he/she will always die when facing the proto reaper
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Post by disi on Jan 14, 2017 10:36:35 GMT
I don't remember, can Jack do both, be the Biotic shield and fight the endboss? Both there and Miranda dies would be... interesting. Or I get Samara, she isn't too bad, because Jack has to help with the Proto Reaper "Shoot the damn tube!" Jack can do both. If a squadmate is not loyal, he/she will always die when facing the proto reaper I did manage to get Miranda to die after fighting the Proto-Reaper. After getting the IFF, I had to do some missions or time would not pass and the only thing available to me at the time was recruiting Samara and/or Thane. After I got Samara she would not offer her loyalty quest until after I did another mission, which was to recruit Thane and after I got Thane the crew were adopted. Leaving me with all squad mates, but Legion and Miranda. Just as a warning to have 1-2 N7 missions open for the time after you got the IFF.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 14, 2017 14:44:45 GMT
I did manage to get Miranda to die after fighting the Proto-Reaper. After getting the IFF, I had to do some missions or time would not pass and the only thing available to me at the time was recruiting Samara and/or Thane. After I got Samara she would not offer her loyalty quest until after I did another mission, which was to recruit Thane and after I got Thane the crew were adopted. Leaving me with all squad mates, but Legion and Miranda. Just as a warning to have 1-2 N7 missions open for the time after you got the IFF. So MIranda and Legion were casualties while the rest survived? The N7 missions you mentioned can be done instead of recruiting more squadmates. Its up to you. Any time a squadmate is not loyal, do not assign them a task for the suicide mission unless your intention is to have a squadmate die. If a player wanted to recruit all squadmates and have everyone survive, make sure to do everything before getting the IFF. After the IFF, activate Legion. It will reveal its loyalty mission. Complete that. The crew is taken. Head to the relay and start the suicide mission. If the suicide mission has been completed, and there are a few squadmates that weren't recruited, they can be after the suicide mission.. Grunt, Zaeed, Kasumi, Legion, Tali, Samara and Thane can be recruited after the suicide mission, but at least 8 have to be on the squad to get the collector ship mission and to go through the omega 4 relay
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Jan 18, 2017 6:21:33 GMT
Thanks for pinning this, I'm planning on doing another trilogy run. Glad to see the old flow charts and guides didn't get lost!
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 19, 2017 0:08:38 GMT
Thanks for pinning this, I'm planning on doing another trilogy run. Glad to see the old flow charts and guides didn't get lost! Thank themikefest. He was looking out for us.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 21, 2017 5:47:16 GMT
Does anyone know the lastest point you can get in the game for a save without doing anyone's loyalty mission but Garrus? (He's the only one that must survive, whoever else makes it to make sure shepard lives is fine)
As I want to make a save there and then finish the game with a almost everyone dies (for the lulz) playthrough.
Then actually be able to do the loyalty missions before the omega 4 relay and not have part or all of the non squad crew die. Aka the perfect playthrough (to carry to ME3)
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Post by themikefest on Jan 21, 2017 13:32:59 GMT
Does anyone know the lastest point you can get in the game for a save without doing anyone's loyalty mission but Garrus? (He's the only one that must survive, whoever else makes it to make sure shepard lives is fine) I would make a save before getting the IFF. The reason why I post that is because you can only complete 2 missions before the crew is taken by the collectors. Before making that save, make sure all squadmates are recruited. Talk with them. They will mention needing help with whatever. Complete Garrus loyalty mission. Do not get any upgrades for the ship. Make sure to activate the geth. You will be able to complete 2 missions before the collectors take the crew. You can choose to do whatever 2 missions you want. Head through the relay Jack will die because no armor take Kasumi and Tali to fight the oculus leaving Legion to be destroyed because no shields Thane will be killed because of no weapon for the SR2 since Jacob volunteers for the vent, send him. he will die send no one back with the crew. they will die have Miranda maintains the barrier. Take Samara and Zaeed. Samara will be taken by the seeker swarms have Zaeed/Grunt lead the second fireteam. they will die Take Miranda and Garrus to fight proto reaper. Garrus will survive since he's loyal Grunt/Zaeed, Tali, Kasumi and Mordin hold the line. Grunt/Zaeed most likely will survive, but the other 3 will not. The only one's to survive will be Garrus, Grunt/Zaeed and Shepard Now go back to your save before getting the IFF. Complete all loyalty missions. After getting the IFF, activate the geth. It will give you its loyalty mission. Complete it. Then head through the relay. **NOTE** Make sure to get the upgrades for the ship. Armor(Jacob), Sheilds(Tali) and Thannix Cannon(Garrus) Have Garrus or Miranda be fireteam leader both times. Send Tali or Kasumi in the vent Send Mordin to escort the crew back Use Jack or Samara to maintain the barrier Send Tali and Kasumi to fight the proto reaper leaving the rest to hold the line Everyone survives
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Does anyone know the lastest point you can get in the game for a save without doing anyone's loyalty mission but Garrus? (He's the only one that must survive, whoever else makes it to make sure shepard lives is fine) As I want to make a save there and then finish the game with a almost everyone dies (for the lulz) playthrough. Then actually be able to do the loyalty missions before the omega 4 relay and not have part or all of the non squad crew die. Aka the perfect playthrough (to carry to ME3) If you want all the crew (non-squadmates) to survive, then make a save before boarding the Derelict Reaper to get the Reaper IFF. Once you get the IFF, it will trigger the Collector Abduction sequence. Note: after getting the Reaper IFF, you may have 1 - 3 missions before the abduction, depending on how many loyalty missions or recruitment missions remain. If you do not mind the crew dying (excluding Chakwas, who will always survive unless you do not send an escort during the suicide mission), then you can make a save any time prior to going through the Omega-4 Relay. After the crew abduction, if you go through the relay immediately, then all crew can survive. If you wait 1-3 missions after the abduction, then only half the crew can survive. If you wait more than three missions, then only Chakwas can survive.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 22, 2017 1:44:32 GMT
themikefest and RedCaesar97So pretty much, I just need to save as the IFF mission becomes available? Then for the playthrough where everyone dies, just do the mission and continue on. Then for the complete playthrough, go back to the save before the IFF and do all the loyalty missions and then IFF it? Sounds good! Also, thanks for the team comp advice for how to kill off different characters. Not sure if I will follow it exactly like that, but we'll see haha. (Side Note: I don't think I'll even have Kasumi as wasn't she DLC? Idk, I had all the dlc on my 360 as that's where I played the trilogy originally.)
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 22, 2017 4:48:16 GMT
Also, thanks for the team comp advice for how to kill off different characters. Not sure if I will follow it exactly like that, but we'll see haha. (Side Note: I don't think I'll even have Kasumi as wasn't she DLC? Idk, I had all the dlc on my 360 as that's where I played the trilogy originally.) Need Kasumi? Maybe not. But I like her as a squadmate even if her dialogue on the Normandy is almost nothing. Also, Kasumi is useful at one point in ME3. I can't say where, and if you don't have her you'll never know her impact.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 22, 2017 5:03:05 GMT
Also, thanks for the team comp advice for how to kill off different characters. Not sure if I will follow it exactly like that, but we'll see haha. (Side Note: I don't think I'll even have Kasumi as wasn't she DLC? Idk, I had all the dlc on my 360 as that's where I played the trilogy originally.) Need Kasumi? Maybe not. But I like her as a squadmate even if her dialogue on the Normandy is almost nothing. Also, Kasumi is useful at one point in ME3. I can't say where, and if you don't have her you'll never know her impact. I had her for my original run through all the games (and subsequent 15 runs lol) as I own all the dlc on my 360. But that console is no longer our, hooked up, and readily available to play. So I'm playing the games on my new PC, just to see how they look on ultra settings, and to get back into the mass effect groove for the new game. I just don't have all the DLC on PC. That means, as far as I remember, that I won't have Kasumi. As for her as a squadmate/character. I never really got all the hype for her. Just felt like a generic thief/rogue type character and she never really said much. She had the one cool thing with the greybox (or whatever it was called) but largely I didn't feel she made a big difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 11:57:13 GMT
Is there a way to have Jack and only Jack (and Joker) survive?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 22, 2017 12:16:28 GMT
Is there a way to have Jack and only Jack (and Joker) survive? For that to happen, Shepard has to die. Is that what you want? If so, what squadmates will you recruit for the playthrough?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 12:24:40 GMT
Is there a way to have Jack and only Jack (and Joker) survive? For that to happen, Shepard has to die. Is that what you want? If so, what squadmates will you recruit for the playthrough? I'm OK with Shepard dying this playthrough (I'm working on a bit different lead in to ME:A). I'd like to recruit them all if that doesn't stop the scenario from being possible. So far in the playthough I have 4 (Kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt and Jack) and will, of course have to get Garrus and Mordin. Alternatively, I'm OK wit Jack and Miranda both surviving (which would make Shepard a survivor as well)... but potentially never heard from again. ETA: I should also add that I'd like to do it in such a way that Shepard doesn't appear to be like a total fool in selecting who does what... and, if possible, I'd like to make it seem like as many of the deaths as possible are Miranda's fault (even using some of her reactions to things in the game)... i.e. may send Legion to Cerberus and if she is disloyal, letting her lead the second teams.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 22, 2017 13:01:49 GMT
I'm OK with Shepard dying this playthrough (I'm working on a bit different lead in to ME:A). I'd like to recruit them all if that doesn't stop the scenario from being possible. So far in the playthough I have 4 (Kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt and Jack) and will, of course have to get Garrus and Mordin. Complete Jack's loyalty mission obviously. Get armor upgrade for ship send Kasumi and Tali to fight oculus leaving Legion to be destroyed Thane is killed because no cannon send Garrus in vent no escort for crew Zaeed for 2nd fireteam leader Jacob for barrier. Take Grunt and Miranda. Grunt is taken by seeker swarm Jacob and Samara fight protoreaper Jack, Miranda, Tali, Mordin and Kasumi hold the line. A good chance Miranda and Jack survive sine I've never been able to have 4 die while holding the line. That will work for your alternate below To have Jack as the only survivor, don't activate the geth send Kasumi and Tali fight oculus. Garrus killed with no shields Thane killed no cannon send Jacob in vent no escort for crew Zaeed as 2nd fireteam leader Grunt taken by seeker swarm Use Samara for barrier and bring Miranda Samara ans Miranda fight proto reaper Jack, Tali, Kasumi, and Mordin hold line. Jack should survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 13:07:08 GMT
I'm OK with Shepard dying this playthrough (I'm working on a bit different lead in to ME:A). I'd like to recruit them all if that doesn't stop the scenario from being possible. So far in the playthough I have 4 (Kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt and Jack) and will, of course have to get Garrus and Mordin. Complete Jack's loyalty mission obviously. Get armor upgrade for ship send Kasumi and Tali to fight oculus leaving Legion to be destroyed Thane is killed because no cannon send Garrus in vent no escort for crew Zaeed for 2nd fireteam leader Jacob for barrier. Take Grunt and Miranda. Grunt is taken by seeker swarm Jacob and Samara fight protoreaper Jack, Miranda, Tali, Mordin and Kasumi hold the line. A good chance Miranda and Jack survive sine I've never been able to have 4 die while holding the line. That will work for your alternate below To have Jack as the only survivor, don't activate the geth send Kasumi and Tali fight oculus. Garrus killed with no shields Thane killed no cannon send Jacob in vent no escort for crew Zaeed as 2nd fireteam leader Grunt taken by seeker swarm Use Samara for barrier and bring Miranda Samara ans Miranda fight proto reaper Jack, Tali, Kasumi, and Mordin hold line. Jack should survive. In scenario 2 - If I take Jack (loyal) and Miranda with me to fight the protoreaper, leaving Samara, Tali and Kasumi (all disloyal) to hold the line... will any of them survive holding the line? Miranda should die in the end because she's not loyal... and Shepard would die with Jack not able to pull him into the ship. ETA: Also, if I send a disloyal Zaeed back with the crew, I believe he dies. Can Shepard still die if all or some of the crew survive?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 22, 2017 13:10:17 GMT
In scenario 2 - If I take Jack (loyal) and Miranda with me to fight the protoreaper, leaving Samara, Tali and Kasumi to hold the line... will any of them survive holding the line? Miranda should die in the end because she's not loyal... and Shepard would die with Jack not able to pull him into the ship. You also have Mordin holding the line. Good chance Samara would survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 13:19:19 GMT
In scenario 2 - If I take Jack (loyal) and Miranda with me to fight the protoreaper, leaving Samara, Tali and Kasumi to hold the line... will any of them survive holding the line? Miranda should die in the end because she's not loyal... and Shepard would die with Jack not able to pull him into the ship. You also have Mordin holding the line. Good chance Samara would survive. I added a bit to my post above re sending Zaeed back with the crew and using, say, Samara as 2nd fire team leader. Doesn't that then leave with me 3 holding the line - Mordin, Tali and Kasumi? Also, if I send a disloyal Mordin back with the crew, doesn't he die? ETA: Would this work: Complete Jack's LM (actually planning to romance her). Get only the armor upgrade for the ship. Send Legion to Cerberus (per Miranda's request) Take Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus. Garrus killed (no shields) - Correction - s/b Thane killed here Thane killed (no cannon) - Correction - s/b Garrus killed here Put Tali in the vents (per Miranda's request for a tech specialist). Tali dies (disloyal) Put Jacob on first second team (per Jack's request) and Tali will still die because he's not loyal (but sort of proves that Shepard should be able to expect him to lead). Send Zaeed back with crew (Zaeed will die and depending on how many side missions I do rest of crew may die, except Chakwas) Have Miranda hold up the barrier (per her suggestion) and take Grunt and Samara (Grunt will die) Have Jacob lead 2nd fire team (he will die) Take Jack and Miranda for final battle (Miranda dies if disloyal and Shepard dies; Miranda survives if loyal and Shepard also lives; Jack survives in any event) Samara, Mordin and Kasumi (all disloyal) hold the line... would all of them die or am I still too strong?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 22, 2017 13:41:43 GMT
I added a bit to my post above re sending Zaeed back with the crew and using, say, Samara as 2nd fire team leader. Doesn't that then leave with me 3 holding the line - Mordin, Tali and Kasumi? Yes. That would work. Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 14:07:10 GMT
I added a bit to my post above re sending Zaeed back with the crew and using, say, Samara as 2nd fire team leader. Doesn't that then leave with me 3 holding the line - Mordin, Tali and Kasumi? Yes. That would work. Yes. Just for the heck of it... see what I've added to my previous post.... would that also work? BTW: THANKS for all your help with this... nobody knows this SM the way you do!!
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Post by themikefest on Jan 22, 2017 14:13:43 GMT
Just for the heck of it... see what I've added to my previous post.... would that also work? It will. no problem and thanks
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