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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 21, 2018 3:52:43 GMT
It was too predictable. I wanted to make the viewer say wtf? like when George superimposed Hayden's head over Sebastien's body in his umpteenth RoTJ edit. Say what you will about it, but Lucasfilm can now use force ghost Anakin in 9 if they so choose. It will be revealed that Anakin was giving Kylo terrible advice the whole time.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 21, 2018 4:29:32 GMT
It was too predictable. I wanted to make the viewer say wtf? like when George superimposed Hayden's head over Sebastien's body in his umpteenth RoTJ edit. Say what you will about it, but Lucasfilm can now use force ghost Anakin in 9 if they so choose.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 21, 2018 6:12:08 GMT
The fan community was better when everyone was united in their hatred of the prequels haha I kid, I kid ... If Disney made better movies we wouldn't be arguing. if we could all agree on quality we wouldn't be arguing.
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Post by river82 on Jan 21, 2018 6:44:03 GMT
Erm, just in case it needs clarifying - Star Wars Daring Adventures are books written specifically for young kids. Would really appreciate it if people didn't bring up the lack of complexity and grown up writing (lack of descriptive narration for example) in these kids books as indicative of the quality of all the new Star Wars books To be honest though, for kids books they aren't that bad
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 21, 2018 6:57:04 GMT
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Post by colfoley on Jan 21, 2018 7:08:40 GMT
Erm, just in case it needs clarifying - Star Wars Daring Adventures are books written specifically for young kids. Would really appreciate it if people didn't bring up the lack of complexity and grown up writing (lack of descriptive narration for example) in these kids books as indicative of the quality of all the new Star Wars books To be honest though, for kids books they aren't that bad indeed Rebels isn't that bad.
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Post by mannyray on Jan 21, 2018 7:27:31 GMT
attacking the point not the person. You never attacked my point at all. I did. Your argument, or rather bland repetition of simple sentences was like the ones I saw in discussions about the cringy, unprofessional childlike flirting in ME:A
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Post by smilesja on Jan 21, 2018 7:46:27 GMT
You never attacked my point at all. I did. Your argument, or rather bland repetition of simple sentences was like the ones I saw in discussions about the cringy, unprofessional childlike flirting in ME:A You didn't do anything, why don't you stop with the insults and start addressing arguments?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 21, 2018 11:45:50 GMT
Not even against Snoke ...? Thanks to her steadfast resistance to Snoke's torture it forced him to focus all of his attention on her, giving Kylo the opening he needed. Once again he owes her big time. But if Kylo simply stood by and let it happen, she would’ve eventually crumbled. Snoke could simply sit there and brute force his way into her mind at his leisure.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 21, 2018 11:46:42 GMT
If Disney made better movies we wouldn't be arguing. if we could all agree on quality we wouldn't be arguing. Argument is inevitable. What the movie is like will never change that.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 21, 2018 11:49:18 GMT
You never attacked my point at all. I did. Your argument, or rather bland repetition of simple sentences was like the ones I saw in discussions about the cringy, unprofessional childlike flirting in ME:A So you say ME:A is as good as ME1 or even KOTOR if not better?
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Post by decafhigh on Jan 21, 2018 14:03:58 GMT
Luke gets carried through the first movie, gets totally rekt by Vader the second movie, and he's a Sue? Anakin was emotionally unstable and ends up turning to the Dark Side, and he's a Sue? THIS IS POD RACING! okay. The plot of the entire first 6 movies are built around the fact Anakin is chock full of character flaws. If you want to boil all that down to "This is pod racing!" I dare say you missed the point.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 21, 2018 17:24:45 GMT
THIS IS POD RACING! okay. The plot of the entire first 6 movies are built around the fact Anakin is chock full of character flaws. If you want to boil all that down to "This is pod racing!" I dare say you missed the point. Also spinning. It’s a neat trick.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 21, 2018 18:34:35 GMT
Erm, just in case it needs clarifying - Star Wars Daring Adventures are books written specifically for young kids. Would really appreciate it if people didn't bring up the lack of complexity and grown up writing (lack of descriptive narration for example) in these kids books as indicative of the quality of all the new Star Wars books To be honest though, for kids books they aren't that bad indeed Rebels isn't that bad. Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 21, 2018 18:42:48 GMT
indeed Rebels isn't that bad. Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 21, 2018 19:06:38 GMT
indeed Rebels isn't that bad. Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. funny because that's exactly what the new lore has to say on the subject.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 21, 2018 19:16:51 GMT
indeed Rebels isn't that bad. Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. She's an ace pilot, ex-pirate, graffiti artist, sword-fighter & warrior queen all by age sixteen.
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Post by Lavochkin on Jan 21, 2018 19:24:55 GMT
Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. She's an ace pilot, ex-pirate, graffiti artist, sword-fighter & warrior queen all by age sixteen. i.imgur.com/G72P70X.jpg
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 21, 2018 19:25:55 GMT
Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. funny because that's exactly what the new lore has to say on the subject. It really isn't considering the only 'proper' Mandolorians in the new lore are fucking Death-Watch and even they don't hold the same mercenary warrior spirit of their forebear incarnation in the EU. Its that same sissified nonsense that was starting to creep into the Super Commandos in the ultra late EU, but at least they had a proud history to look back on, at least they had their moment in the sun. ._. They kept the decline, but not the history that made it a bittersweet if understandable parting. They kept the rot and decay but erased why it was there. It at the end of the day matters little if Sabine is an exile or not, because the very incarnation of the Mandolorian Code she follows was spun up for a children's cartoon show. That drastically rewrote everything in place, Mandolore was a radioactive desert world with a bit of green on a handful of continents, and by green I mean bogs and marsh, not grassland. Not that shiny techno bullshit, it was place that gave birth to the ideology that made them some of the greatest warriors in galactic history. It was a place that forced you to either be strong, or die weak. And I can go on and on and on, it matters little. Sabine is just the latest in a line of them casting the old away to push the new despite its inferiority. This is one aspect that I drastically wish they had left unchanged, and wouldn't have minded if it popped up in the 'new lore', sometimes the old ways are simply better.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 21, 2018 19:26:17 GMT
Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. She's an ace pilot, ex-pirate, graffiti artist, sword-fighter & warrior queen all by age sixteen. pretty much the star wars mo at this point.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 21, 2018 19:29:51 GMT
Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. She's an ace pilot, ex-pirate, graffiti artist, sword-fighter & warrior queen all by age sixteen. That believe it or not is the least of my concerns, my simmering disdain is for the faction, not the individual. Sabine is just another shit character in a show filled with em. Mandolorians are a fucking staple of Star Wars though, ever since we first saw that T-slitted vizored helm of Bobba Fett back in Empire we have wanted to know of them, of their rituals, culture, and beliefs, their history and their methodology. And over the course of the decades that came, we learned. It was all tossed away for a children's cartoon show as well, that to me was something that inspired a strong sense of dislike for the Clone Wars TV series, long before the EU was stricken from 'canon'. Rebels merely builds off of that flawed and failed decision with this character, and is a reminder of what was, and what could have been.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 21, 2018 19:35:36 GMT
funny because that's exactly what the new lore has to say on the subject. It really isn't considering the only 'proper' Mandolorians in the new lore are fucking Death-Watch and even they don't hold the same mercenary warrior spirit of their forebear incarnation in the EU. Its that same sissified nonsense that was starting to creep into the Super Commandos in the ultra late EU, but at least they had a proud history to look back on, at least they had their moment in the sun. ._. They kept the decline, but not the history that made it a bittersweet if understandable parting. They kept the rot and decay but erased why it was there. It at the end of the day matters little if Sabine is an exile or not, because the very incarnation of the Mandolorian Code she follows was spun up for a children's cartoon show. That drastically rewrote everything in place, Mandolore was a radioactive desert world with a bit of green on a handful of continents, and by green I mean bogs and marsh, not grassland. Not that shiny techno bullshit, it was place that gave birth to the ideology that made them some of the greatest warriors in galactic history. It was a place that forced you to either be strong, or die weak. And I can go on and on and on, it matters little. Sabine is just the latest in a line of them casting the old away to push the new despite its inferiority. This is one aspect that I drastically wish they had left unchanged, and wouldn't have minded if it popped up in the 'new lore', sometimes the old ways are simply better. so you can't have outliers? Can't have individual nuance? Reformers and reactionaries? Societies that are more then a hat? Because having actually watched Rebels I know they have referenced the proud history of the Mandalorians several times. The ancient wars. The battle of Malachor. Etc. Which as you said got their planer nuked in one version of the story. Sounds like a society that needed to change.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 21, 2018 19:56:46 GMT
It really isn't considering the only 'proper' Mandolorians in the new lore are fucking Death-Watch and even they don't hold the same mercenary warrior spirit of their forebear incarnation in the EU. Its that same sissified nonsense that was starting to creep into the Super Commandos in the ultra late EU, but at least they had a proud history to look back on, at least they had their moment in the sun. ._. They kept the decline, but not the history that made it a bittersweet if understandable parting. They kept the rot and decay but erased why it was there. It at the end of the day matters little if Sabine is an exile or not, because the very incarnation of the Mandolorian Code she follows was spun up for a children's cartoon show. That drastically rewrote everything in place, Mandolore was a radioactive desert world with a bit of green on a handful of continents, and by green I mean bogs and marsh, not grassland. Not that shiny techno bullshit, it was place that gave birth to the ideology that made them some of the greatest warriors in galactic history. It was a place that forced you to either be strong, or die weak. And I can go on and on and on, it matters little. Sabine is just the latest in a line of them casting the old away to push the new despite its inferiority. This is one aspect that I drastically wish they had left unchanged, and wouldn't have minded if it popped up in the 'new lore', sometimes the old ways are simply better. so you can't have outliers? Of course you can, the old clans waged war with each other over such things, but they kept to who and what they were even while doing it. Hence the conflict between the original True Mandolorians and Death Watch which led to the destruction of the Super Commandos, Jango Fett becoming Mandolore and Death Watch going into exile after Fett butchered dozens of them. Incidentally this little bit of history that I just rushed you through led to a moment in the old EU that would have a profound effect on multiple parties. Galidraan, you had a lot of people would become involved in vaguely important in events to come there, Dooku, Death Watch and Fett. See that was what reminded the galaxy even in the waning days of the final few decades of the Old Republic that the Mandolorians hadn't lost a step, despite them walking into what for all intents and purposes was a ambush, they pitted themselves against the a group of rebels first and foremost, promptly killed em all. But you see this was a trick by Death Watch to lure their long time ideologically opposed faction to their dooms, they prompted the planet's governor to put a call into the Jedi and called the job that the governor had just hired them to do as murdering of 'political activists'. Then the Jedi showed up and well, the entire faction was gutted, only two fellas under the Mandolorian flag survived that day. Fett and a guy you probably never heard of called Silas, we aren't talking a small war band or squad here either, the entire force got decimated there, accounts vary but most of the folks in the old know suspect the numbers to be about 400-500 or so Mandolorians strong. The Jedi numbers are utterly unknown but are suspected to be about 12-25. Dooku, Dooku's Padawan, and a bunch of others that never got names for reasons that will become obvious. The Jedi lost people as well, Jango Fett himself killed five Jedi with his bare hands, and note this was back when the Jedi basically got super human abilities from the Force, ya know improved reflexes, durability, enhanced strength and speed, etc. o.o This a moment that repeated history, Jedi vs Mandolorians, and the Mando gave as good as they got. Also on a side note, Mandolore was not devastated as a result of the Mandolorian Wars, it was a toxic waste dump that could barely support life from the get go.
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Post by river82 on Jan 21, 2018 20:04:37 GMT
indeed Rebels isn't that bad. Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. Dude, it's a show aimed literally at kids. It's not meant to be as brutal as if it were a show made for adults. Remember when I said that I wish people didn't bring up the lack of complexity or grown up writing in kids novels to deride the whole of the new canon, like someone did a few pages ago with Escape from Vodran (a book literally aimed at the juvenile audience)? Same rules apply. If you don't like shows aimed at kids, stick to grown up media. If the new Boba Fett movie guts the Mandalorian culture, then you'd have reason to worry. Until then you should recognise that the Mandalorian culture was never going to be shown full on in a kids show.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 21, 2018 20:08:31 GMT
Its trite garbage that reinforces the same crap that the Clone Wars introduced that many people, myself included dislike. ._. That bitch erm, I think her name is Sabine Googles yup, Sabine IS NOT A MANDOLORIAN. Its not then just a fucking helmet, its a lifestyle, a culture and a code of ethics and conduct. God the new lore just fucking gutted that proud nomadic band of war mongers. If the new Boba Fett movie guts the Mandalorian culture, then you'd have reason to worry. It was already gutted for the sake of this and the preceding children's show. They rewrote the planet, the history, the culture and more.
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