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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 7:06:19 GMT
I'm going to state a very unpopular opinion. Neither Mel Brooks nor his movies are very funny. Space Balls is particularly bad. (Blazing Saddles gets a pass for being funny in parts) Caddyshack beats them all!
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 7:10:22 GMT
If Luke didn't snap out of it. I think there's a good chance he would've killed Vader in that moment. If he didn't see what he had done to him and that vision in the cave. Short answer: If. Long answer: Well, that was the whole point of going into that cave and confronting with that vision. Yoda wanted to teach him a lesson and the lesson wasn't about fighting Vader, but about Luke realising that he has the same "darkness" in him. If he was that earlier naive Luke, then maybe he would have killed Vader. Instead he learned the lesson so he was able to control his emotions and resist Palpatine. My point is he did the same thing with Ben.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 12:12:39 GMT
I'm going to state a very unpopular opinion. Neither Mel Brooks nor his movies are very funny. Space Balls is particularly bad. (Blazing Saddles gets a pass for being funny in parts) I'm going to state a very unpopular opinion. Neither Mel Brooks nor his movies are very funny. Space Balls is particularly bad. (Blazing Saddles gets a pass for being funny in parts) Caddyshack beats them all! Caddyshack is för sure in the töp ten greatest cömedies öf all time. Ghöstbusters and Animal Höuse are 1 and 2.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 12:41:23 GMT
I'm going to state a very unpopular opinion. Neither Mel Brooks nor his movies are very funny. Space Balls is particularly bad. (Blazing Saddles gets a pass for being funny in parts) Caddyshack beats them all! Caddyshack is för sure in the töp ten greatest cömedies öf all time. Ghöstbusters and Animal Höuse are 1 and 2. Blazing Saddles is like 2 for me, but Caddyshack I also play golf to, so personal bias.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 2, 2018 13:29:03 GMT
I'm going to state a very unpopular opinion. Neither Mel Brooks nor his movies are very funny. Space Balls is particularly bad. (Blazing Saddles gets a pass for being funny in parts) You are dead to me.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 2, 2018 14:23:10 GMT
I never had a problem myself with explorations of the Grey, I always found characters like Jolee Bindo, Kreia, Kyle Katarn, Revan, Vergere, and others just as interesting and perhaps more so than traditional Jedi and Sith. I like them too... but I actually think the extended universe content and now TLJ grossly misinterpret the force as presented in the OT. I always saw the Light as synonymous with balance. To be a true Jedi was to find balance in yourself. A lot of people I thought actually misinterpreted the Jedi philosophy in the prequels as being about the repression of emotions when really it was about not allowing emotions to make your decisions for you. It’s a bit like Stoic philosophy, which holds that control over one’s passions is a necessity for virtuous decision making. There’s an interesting Clone Wars episode where Yoda goes on a vision quest of sorts (I actually think Lucas had a lot of input in that episode). He is told that he needs to confront the darkness in himself. Initially he scoffs, he’s a Jedi Grandmaster, but the mysterious glowy force beings show he still has darkness. He is only able to proceed once he accepts the darkness as part of him and reconciling it with himself, thus depriving it of any power over him. That’s pretty much exactly what this video describes as what we should be doing. That is what a true Jedi is, as I’ve always understood it. The Dark Side is a corruption of the balance. A great example I think would be Atris of Kotor 2. Atris believed that she alone was pure and able to continue the legacy of the Jedi. Her hubris made her dark, not an extremity of the light. I kinda wish this interpretation was more common. Episodes of Clone Wars like what you describe leads me to think that I would probably enjoy Star Wars as a whole more if it was a vast serial rather than movies.
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Post by mybudgee on May 2, 2018 17:11:51 GMT
Well, that was the whole point of going into that cave and confronting with that vision. Yoda wanted to teach him a lesson and the lesson wasn't about fighting Vader, but about Luke realising that he has the same "darkness" in him. If he was that earlier naive Luke, then maybe he would have killed Vader. Instead he learned the lesson so he was able to control his emotions and resist Palpatine. My point is he did the same thing with Ben.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 18:18:18 GMT
My point is he did the same thing with Ben.I'm wrong because...🤨 he admitted it was a moment of weakness. Almost killing his Father in rage isn't the same thing?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 18:58:16 GMT
I'm wrong because...🤨 he admitted it was a moment of weakness. Almost killing his Father in rage isn't the same thing? Its nöt even fucking clöse.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 19:00:58 GMT
I'm wrong because...🤨 he admitted it was a moment of weakness. Almost killing his Father in rage isn't the same thing? Its nöt even fucking clöse. Care to explain? Beyond just saying "its not even fucking close." Luke said it himself that it was a moment of weakness. I'm not saying I agree with it either, but how is it different?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 19:10:52 GMT
Its nöt even fucking clöse. Care to explain? Beyond just saying "its not even fucking close." Luke said it himself that it was a moment of weakness. I'm not saying I agree with it either, but how is it different? There is a difference in the heat öf the möment Luke löses his coöl and attacks his father. And pre meditate murder in cöld bloöd with a sleeping unarmed child.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 19:19:18 GMT
Care to explain? Beyond just saying "its not even fucking close." Luke said it himself that it was a moment of weakness. I'm not saying I agree with it either, but how is it different? There is a difference in the heat öf the möment Luke löses his coöl and attacks his father. And pre meditate murder in cöld bloöd with a sleeping unarmed child. He had a vision and a saw a future of it being repeated again. In that moment of rage or not thinking whatever you want to call it he just acted.
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Just out of curiosity how many of you criticizing Luke's actions in TLJ has seen Babylon 5?
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An alleged screenshot of the new 'Star Wars' Animated Series: Hey now, that's an insult to Care Bears.
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Post by Iakus on May 2, 2018 20:18:50 GMT
Just out of curiosity how many of you criticizing Luke's actions in TLJ has seen Babylon 5? Explain, please.
Unless you're trying to compare Luke to Season 5 Garibaldi, I fail to see a connection.
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Post by Iakus on May 2, 2018 20:25:39 GMT
I like them too... but I actually think the extended universe content and now TLJ grossly misinterpret the force as presented in the OT. I always saw the Light as synonymous with balance. To be a true Jedi was to find balance in yourself. A lot of people I thought actually misinterpreted the Jedi philosophy in the prequels as being about the repression of emotions when really it was about not allowing emotions to make your decisions for you. It’s a bit like Stoic philosophy, which holds that control over one’s passions is a necessity for virtuous decision making. There’s an interesting Clone Wars episode where Yoda goes on a vision quest of sorts (I actually think Lucas had a lot of input in that episode). He is told that he needs to confront the darkness in himself. Initially he scoffs, he’s a Jedi Grandmaster, but the mysterious glowy force beings show he still has darkness. He is only able to proceed once he accepts the darkness as part of him and reconciling it with himself, thus depriving it of any power over him. That’s pretty much exactly what this video describes as what we should be doing. That is what a true Jedi is, as I’ve always understood it. The Dark Side is a corruption of the balance. A great example I think would be Atris of Kotor 2. Atris believed that she alone was pure and able to continue the legacy of the Jedi. Her hubris made her dark, not an extremity of the light. I kinda wish this interpretation was more common. Episodes of Clone Wars like what you describe leads me to think that I would probably enjoy Star Wars as a whole more if it was a vast serial rather than movies. Star Wars was originally envisioned to be like serialized movies from the 1930s like Buck Rogers. Thus why it begins with "Episode IV" and a chase scene. You're coming in after the story has already started and have little context into what's going on outside the title crawl ("When last we left our intrepid heroes...")
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Post by Iakus on May 2, 2018 20:29:25 GMT
There is a difference in the heat öf the möment Luke löses his coöl and attacks his father. And pre meditate murder in cöld bloöd with a sleeping unarmed child. He had a vision and a saw a future of it being repeated again. In that moment of rage or not thinking whatever you want to call it he just acted. Visions don't always come true. He has firsthand experience that "always in motion is the future"
Plus, when he attacked Vader Luke was:
1) Resisting TWO Sith Lords trying to get into his head 2) Fighting off Vader's physical attacks 3) Listening to Vader plotting to turn Leia to the Dark Side 4) Watching the Rebellion go down in flames and his friends dying right outside the window.
Luke was under massive mental pressure coming from multiple sides. In the case of Ben, Luke was...what, jittery from too much caffeine in his green milk?
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 20:31:41 GMT
He had a vision and a saw a future of it being repeated again. In that moment of rage or not thinking whatever you want to call it he just acted. Visions don't always come true. He has firsthand experience that "always in motion is the future"
Plus, when he attacked Vader Luke was:
1) Resisting TWO Sith Lords trying to get into his head 2) Fighting off Vader's physical attacks 3) Listening to Vader plotting to turn Leia to the Dark Side 4) Watching the Rebellion go down in flames and his friends dying right outside the window.
Luke was under massive mental pressure coming from multiple sides. In the case of Ben, Luke was...what, jittery from too much caffeine in his green milk?
That's my point, he went to Cloud City based on a vision without actual proof.
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Post by Iakus on May 2, 2018 20:34:46 GMT
Visions don't always come true. He has firsthand experience that "always in motion is the future"
Plus, when he attacked Vader Luke was:
1) Resisting TWO Sith Lords trying to get into his head 2) Fighting off Vader's physical attacks 3) Listening to Vader plotting to turn Leia to the Dark Side 4) Watching the Rebellion go down in flames and his friends dying right outside the window.
Luke was under massive mental pressure coming from multiple sides. In the case of Ben, Luke was...what, jittery from too much caffeine in his green milk?
That's my point, he went to Cloud City based on a vision without actual proof. And he paid dearly for it.
So, congrats TLJ, you managed to devolve Luke Skywalker back to the days of his callow, reckless self and completely undid his growth in RotJ...
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 2, 2018 20:39:26 GMT
That's my point, he went to Cloud City based on a vision without actual proof. And he paid dearly for it.
SO, congrats TLJ, you managed to devolve Luke Skywalker back to the days of his callow, reckless self and completely undid his growth in RotJ...
It's not like he said he was proud of that choice.
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Post by colfoley on May 2, 2018 20:44:33 GMT
Just out of curiosity how many of you criticizing Luke's actions in TLJ has seen Babylon 5? Explain, please.
Unless you're trying to compare Luke to Season 5 Garibaldi, I fail to see a connection.
More like Lenier when he tried to kill Sheridan.
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Post by Iakus on May 2, 2018 20:47:20 GMT
And he paid dearly for it.
SO, congrats TLJ, you managed to devolve Luke Skywalker back to the days of his callow, reckless self and completely undid his growth in RotJ...
It's not like he said he was proud of that choice. Yes, trying to butcher your nephew in his sleep is not something to be proud of.
Considerably less so than trying to take on the fallen Jedi who's plagued the galaxy literally your entire life to rescue your friends.
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Post by Iakus on May 2, 2018 20:51:54 GMT
Explain, please.
Unless you're trying to compare Luke to Season 5 Garibaldi, I fail to see a connection.
More like Lenier when he tried to kill Sheridan. Lennier carried a torch for Delenn the entire series. Are you trying to tell me Luke had the hots for Ben's girlfriend?
I should also point out:
Lennier did not try to kill Sheridan, but failed to act when he saw him in danger. Sheridan did not turn evil as a result, did not join the Shadows, or slaughter the Rangers as a result Neither Sheridan nor Delenn seemed interested in retaliation or holding a grudge
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