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Post by mybudgee on May 28, 2018 2:13:37 GMT
Lost Stars is pretty much the only good book of the new canon novels. It is known. Honorable mention goes to Lords of the Sith & Catalyst
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Post by masterwarderz on May 28, 2018 2:35:05 GMT
Thats the thing. L337 is nöt a driöd whös purpöse is sexual. She was built för anöther purpöse.
I wöuld tötally fuck a sex roböt. But she isnt that. The pröblem with me för her is that if dröids are nöw sentient beings than everyöne in the öriginal trilögy was tötally ökay with slaves. That and she is sö SJW that it hurts.
Droids were always sentient in Star Wars. Sentient yes, sapient, no, not really and making droids that were outside of a handful of very specific purposes(military for example) was in fact illegal. In the EU anyway that was how they explained, ya know because the EU actually made the universe make a bit more sense then none at all.
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Post by Obadiah on May 28, 2018 2:53:23 GMT
Well this is where Landos pansexuality kicks in, it doesn't matter that the robot isn't a hyper sexual femme bot type robot, the emotional attachment / attraction is to the personality. I can see sort of that point of view, you could be the hottest most stunning person in the world, but if I don't like you I will not find you sexually attractive. And I agree with the droid slavery thing, but for me it has always been there, it isn't new information. If the prequels did anything it was to highlight that the republic was actually deeply flawed, there is rampant legal slavery. Qui-Gon doesn't save Anakin by heroically breaking his bonds, he legally buys him. It's a very simple leap to assume that even the 'good guys' have some odd views on droid sentience / slavery. The pröblem I have with it is önce yöu gö there yöu cant take it back. See in the öriginal trilögy it was never knöwn whether ör nöt dröids were. The fans cöuld debate aböut it but it was nöt made cannön öne way ör the öther. Sö önce yöu make it cannön that dröids are the same as real peöple then yöu fuck with the öriginal trilögy and Luke is nöw coöl with slavery. And if that döesnt böther yöu then let me just say imagine yöur favörite störy öf all time. IDK höw much yöu löve Star Wars but I will use the example öf Harry Pötter. Imagine they made new mövies 10 years fröm nöw and Harry has slaves and is tötally coöl with it. Wöuldnt that make yöu upset that yöur favörite character is nöw a bad persön? It just breaks my heart with every new mövie Disney makes.
Well, I mean, wasn't the first 15-20 minutes of A New Hope from the POV of two pretty sentient behaving droids wandering around the desert in Tatooine, arguing like an old couple? Isn't C3P0 the only one that gasps when R2D2 gets blown up during the attack on the Death Star? Didn't R2D2 get a commendation for saving the ship when Padme escaped the Naboo blockade? The droids have been a running metaphor for racism in Star Wars since the bartender at Mos Isley said, "We don't serve their kind here."
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Post by mybudgee on May 28, 2018 2:58:21 GMT
How great was the Chewie meeting Han scene though? Even a grouch like me enjoyed it
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 3:32:17 GMT
How great was the Chewie meeting Han scene though? Even a grouch like me enjoyed it Yöu were suppösed tö deströy Disney nöt jöin them.
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Post by Nayawk on May 28, 2018 3:34:05 GMT
The pröblem I have with it is önce yöu gö there yöu cant take it back.
See in the öriginal trilögy it was never knöwn whether ör nöt dröids were. The fans cöuld debate aböut it but it was nöt made cannön öne way ör the öther. I haven't seen Solo so I don't know what/how/when/if droid sentience is stated outright. But the OT and PT are littered with droids feeling/doing things which tick all the usual boxes for AI sentience as the modern Artificial Consciousness field lays down. Even if you just take the OT, R2 is a good example of this. He is unusually loyal to the point its mentioned, he has humour, he is sneaky, he makes plans, he has fear and thats just in the first 20 mins.
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Post by Obadiah on May 28, 2018 4:43:11 GMT
So... I'm rewatching Empire Strikes Back, and a couple of things strike me: - What the hell was that Solo, Leia, Vader dinner like on cloud city? Vader: "You're not eating? Take them away!" - C3P0 got shot and blown to pieces, and was later put back together and "fixed" Doesn't this make L3s "death" on Solo kind of ridiculous?
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Post by smilesja on May 28, 2018 5:02:39 GMT
Just a theory from a humble man... It is interesting that this is one of the few relationships where the "female" robot/AI is depicted with NO sex appeal at all. It appears to be a relationship based on all personality depicted here: Just going through my head (and your list) of recent examples: Head 6, EDI, Ex Machina, Joy... to me the creepy part of those films/stories is that somebody created an idealized female form, then dudes developed a relationship with them. In some cases the AI even goes looking for an idealized female form to engage in the relationship. Well the relationship is pretty one sided on Landos part.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on May 28, 2018 5:29:50 GMT
It is interesting that this is one of the few relationships where the "female" robot/AI is depicted with NO sex appeal at all. It appears to be a relationship based on all personality depicted here: Just going through my head (and your list) of recent examples: Head 6, EDI, Ex Machina, Joy... to me the creepy part of those films/stories is that somebody created an idealized female form, then dudes developed a relationship with them. In some cases the AI even goes looking for an idealized female form to engage in the relationship. Well the relationship is pretty one sided on Landos part. Yup. Lando creeps on an object.
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Post by mybudgee on May 28, 2018 6:08:15 GMT
How great was the Chewie meeting Han scene though? Even a grouch like me enjoyed it Yöu were suppösed tö deströy Disney nöt jöin them. I'm honestly slightly relieved that Chewbacca: a Star Wars story gets a passing grade from me, even if it is a C+ All the negativity was starting to give me grey hair FFS... I might not survive another awful trilogy
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 28, 2018 7:13:31 GMT
So... I'm rewatching Empire Strikes Back, and a couple of things strike me: - What the hell was that Solo, Leia, Vader dinner like on cloud city? Vader: "You're not eating? Take them away!" - C3P0 got shot and blown to pieces, and was later put back together and "fixed" Doesn't this make L3s "death" on Solo kind of ridiculous?
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Post by SofaJockey on May 28, 2018 11:38:02 GMT
Seems Solo box office is struggling comparatively (a little better than half Rogue One's opening). Comparatively, because it's Ron Howard's highest ever opening, a director whose work I adore.
Funny, because it's an enjoyable film, I was entertained; certainly not the series' weakest entry. IMDb 7.2 vs Rogue One 7.3. So on paper, there's no reason why this movie shouldn't be doing equally well.
If you are a 'Star Wars fan' that has stayed away, what's your thinking? Or are you seeing it later?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 11:58:25 GMT
The pröblem I have with it is önce yöu gö there yöu cant take it back. See in the öriginal trilögy it was never knöwn whether ör nöt dröids were. The fans cöuld debate aböut it but it was nöt made cannön öne way ör the öther. Sö önce yöu make it cannön that dröids are the same as real peöple then yöu fuck with the öriginal trilögy and Luke is nöw coöl with slavery. And if that döesnt böther yöu then let me just say imagine yöur favörite störy öf all time. IDK höw much yöu löve Star Wars but I will use the example öf Harry Pötter. Imagine they made new mövies 10 years fröm nöw and Harry has slaves and is tötally coöl with it. Wöuldnt that make yöu upset that yöur favörite character is nöw a bad persön? It just breaks my heart with every new mövie Disney makes.
Well, I mean, wasn't the first 15-20 minutes of A New Hope from the POV of two pretty sentient behaving droids wandering around the desert in Tatooine, arguing like an old couple? Isn't C3P0 the only one that gasps when R2D2 gets blown up during the attack on the Death Star? Didn't R2D2 get a commendation for saving the ship when Padme escaped the Naboo blockade? The droids have been a running metaphor for racism in Star Wars since the bartender at Mos Isley said, "We don't serve their kind here." I guess yöu cöuld interpret that way. I never did. But that cöuld be a failing ön my part. The difference is Geörge Lucas did it with subtlety while Disney has the subtlety öf a fuckin jack hammer.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 28, 2018 12:08:38 GMT
Seems Solo box office is struggling comparatively (a little better than half Rogue One's opening). Comparatively, because it's Ron Howard's highest ever opening, a director whose work I adore. Funny, because it's an enjoyable film, I was entertained; certainly not the series' weakest entry. IMDb 7.2 vs Rogue One 7.3. So on paper, there's no reason why this movie shouldn't be doing equally well. If you are a 'Star Wars fan' that has stayed away, what's your thinking? Or are you seeing it later? TFA was the last Star Wars movie I will see at the theater, unless something really good gets made. I am a Star Wars fan, and I am thinking Disney taints this franchise and I would rather hold on to the memories I have than let them be shat on ever and anon.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 28, 2018 12:38:44 GMT
Yes, it certainly fits the 'dumb summer movie' title. The main plot driver is almost - let's show the history of the references made (including the goofs which we'll explain away) from the original trilogy. (all from the trilogy so not spoilery) - Winning the Falcon, check
- Dice ornament, check
- Kessel run, check.
- Lando can't say Han's name properly, check
- Capes, check
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Post by mybudgee on May 28, 2018 15:33:32 GMT
Yes, it certainly fits the 'dumb summer movie' title. (all from the trilogy so not spoilery) - Winning the Falcon, check
- Dice ornament, check
- Kessel run, check.
- Lando can't say Han's name properly, check
- Capes, check
Who gives a shit about spoilers at this point? Everyone who is considering seeing it already has, so...
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Post by Obadiah on May 28, 2018 16:01:27 GMT
It is interesting that this is one of the few relationships where the "female" robot/AI is depicted with NO sex appeal at all. It appears to be a relationship based on all personality depicted here: Just going through my head (and your list) of recent examples: Head 6, EDI, Ex Machina, Joy... to me the creepy part of those films/stories is that somebody created an idealized female form, then dudes developed a relationship with them. In some cases the AI even goes looking for an idealized female form to engage in the relationship. Well the relationship is pretty one sided on Landos part. L3 seemed to genuinely like Lando. There's nothing that says that, given that L3 is the comedic relief and a satirical presentation of someone overly sensitive, that she didn't misinterpret Lando's affection for something that it wasn't - that's basically Qi'ra and the audience's reaction at first. The L3 "death" scene is very similar to Chirrut's death and Baze's reaction from Rogue One (were they a romantic couple?), its just that L3 put a weird idea in the audience's head beforehand that re-contextualized it.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 16:18:56 GMT
Whö the hell was the Empire fighting when Han jöined up? Wasn't the Rebels.
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Post by House Targaryen on May 28, 2018 16:30:14 GMT
Whö the hell was the Empire fighting when Han jöined up? Wasn't the Rebels. Probably some no named planet that had to be put in their place for not falling in line with the Empire.
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Post by mybudgee on May 28, 2018 16:49:40 GMT
Whö the hell was the Empire fighting when Han jöined up? Wasn't the Rebels. Probably some no named planet that had to be put in their place for now falling in line with the Empire. Huh??? Anyway... the locals seemed to resist the Imperial occupation starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mimban
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Post by masterwarderz on May 28, 2018 16:58:48 GMT
If you are a 'Star Wars fan' that has stayed away, what's your thinking? Nothing about my "fan" status is in question, but I will humor this little question all the same. My thinking is: Fucking Disney, Fuck the people that have ruined I franchise I have quite literally enjoyed since I was 5 years old watching Return of the Jedi in theaters. As I said with TLJ, I am never supporting this incarnation of Star-Wars ever again. TFA is probably going to be the last time, I ever contributed to an overall sale of a ticket ironically enough. I mean for Rogue One I just went and watched it on a Stream, same for TLJ(which was an excellent call on my choice) But yeah, its a dead franchise, and I glad this bloated excuse for what passes as it now, is finally starting to dry up. And amusingly enough, I doubt franchise fatigue is all the reasons why it is, it could have to do with the standard SJW reaction of having their inferior product called out, and labeling those who view it as flawed, as ya know bigots, and sexist, and racist, you know the entire leftie slur list. ._. Could also have something to do with that being Disney's management position on anyone who complained about the TLJ.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 17:05:28 GMT
If you are a 'Star Wars fan' that has stayed away, what's your thinking? Nothing about my "fan" status is in question, but I will humor this little question all the same. My thinking is: Fucking Disney, Fuck the people that have ruined I franchise I have quite literally enjoyed since I was 5 years old watching Return of the Jedi in theaters. As I said with TLJ, I am never supporting this incarnation of Star-Wars ever again. TFA is probably going to be the last time, I ever contributed to an overall sale of a ticket ironically enough. I mean for Rogue One I just went and watched it on a Stream, same for TLJ(which was an excellent call on my choice) But yeah, its a dead franchise, and I glad this bloated excuse for what passes as it now, is finally starting to dry up. And amusingly enough, I doubt franchise fatigue is all the reasons why it is, it could have to do with the standard SJW reaction of having their inferior product called out, and labeling those who view it as flawed, as ya know bigots, and sexist, and racist, you know the entire leftie slur list. ._. Could also have something to do with that being Disney's management position on anyone who complained about the TLJ.
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Post by colfoley on May 28, 2018 18:37:25 GMT
Seems Solo box office is struggling comparatively (a little better than half Rogue One's opening). Comparatively, because it's Ron Howard's highest ever opening, a director whose work I adore. Funny, because it's an enjoyable film, I was entertained; certainly not the series' weakest entry. IMDb 7.2 vs Rogue One 7.3. So on paper, there's no reason why this movie shouldn't be doing equally well. If you are a 'Star Wars fan' that has stayed away, what's your thinking? Or are you seeing it later? Probably seeing it later. I tend to only go to the theaters twice a year...hell this year it could easily be just the once. And as I have stated I have only seen 5 of the MCU movies since I got into the franchise with Thor. Weirdly enough next year could be quite crowded. I've heard there might be a new Bond movie out plus interested in Captain Marvel, A4 and Episode 9.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 28, 2018 18:56:27 GMT
Bond movie out plus interested in Captain Marvel, A4 and Episode 9. Yes, I'll be seeing Episode IX, Bond 25 and probably Toy Story 4 on the big screen.
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Post by Evil on May 28, 2018 20:22:53 GMT
Whö the hell was the Empire fighting when Han jöined up? Wasn't the Rebels. Probably some no named planet that had to be put in their place for now falling in line with the Empire. Replace that with dozens or even hundreds of planets that didn't toe the line and you'd probably be on the mark from an EU perspective at least. Prior to the Disneyfication of Star wars it was at least semi-canon that even during the height of the rebellion only a fraction of the Empire's might was directed against it. The bulk of it was tied up with expanding Imperial territory in military campaigns in the middle and outer rims, various purges to kill off Palpatines rivals, peacekeeping in various minor wars, dealing with various coup d'etat attempts, and generally trying to keep some semblance of order over the whole clusterfuck of an Empire. That's why Palpatine had such a hard on for death stars, he was barely able to maintain his rule by strength alone so he attempted to rule by fear. Not sure how the official Disney version explains that period of SW history. It probably doesn't even bother to try to.
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