Everything Star Wars!!! Even the new Disney Bantha food. That's not Star Wars, but oh well*

The chaotic evil being seeks personal freedom at the expense of those who aren't smart, capable, or ruthless enough to get what they want. If what this being wants will come only at the price of the freedom and happiness (not to mention the lives) of others, so be it. Other individuals and their freedoms are unimportant if those freedoms cannot be held through their own strength and merit. All else being equal, the chaotic evil being is perhaps the most dangerous character of all, because one rarely knows how he might react to a given encounter. For reasons often known only to himself, he could ignore some situations, then suddenly explode in apparently identical ones. His behavior patterns are almost impossible to predict, for he has probably learned to curb and control his penchant for "evil" due to the constraints of civilization. A chaotic evil being is not expected to go about insanely slaughtering and torturing everyone he meets, for he isn't usually stupid. He will realize the consequences of such activities and will participate in such pleasurable distractions only when safe from discovery. To a chaotic-evil being, the lives of others have no value and are incidental in the pursuit of ultimate freedom and personal power. (4)



A chaotic evil character never feels compelled to keep his word. He will attack and kill an unarmed foe (those are the best kind). He will kill an innocent. He will use torture to extract information and for pleasure. He will kill for pleasure. A chaotic evil character will use poison. He will not help those in need. He prefers to work alone, as he values his freedom. He does not respond well to higher authority, is distrustful of organizations, and will disregard the law in pursuing his self-interest. He will betray a family member, comrade, or friend whenever it is convenient to do so. Chaotic evil characters do not respect the concepts of self-discipline and honor, because they believe such concepts limit their ability to gain power over others. (5)

That sounds a lot like Bane at least within the Bane trilogy books.

Darksiders tended to be selfish, power hungry pricks, and that was okay.

Their entire dogma tends to revolve around Social Darwinism, you get strong or you get dead.

That's pretty much every Sith society/Order

To be fair, the old lacked that as well. The original trilogy painted the Rebels and Jedi as the objective good guys and the Empire and Sith as the objective bad guys. Like you said, it wasn't until the EU that the nuances began to show. 

I'm hoping in the stomach of a Rancor.


Wishful thinking, I know


Rey is awesome. Only good thing to come out of that movie...


Take all mah likessssss!!!


Yeah I don't agree with many of these too. Besides, they missed out on the opportunity to put the quintessential Chaotic Good character in there...

What's DS?

Ah, lol!

Poor Jaden.

Yeah I didn't really like the direction they took with him in Crosscurrent and onwards. Angsting about using Force lightning and the like. It works for Kyle Katarn and it worked for you too, asshole, and neither of you go on to choke kids, sorry younglings afterwards.

The dark side turn was pretty cheap in the game too though. Not the motivation for it, that was alright. But afterwards, his lines became nothing more than post-its with generic dark side quotes on them.

But anyway, fun fact: femJaden is also voiced by Jennifer Hale.

Actually, so his life sort of went somewhere 

No it didn't.

Plus all the very real short stories, animated features, table-top games, collectible tidbits, etc.

I still have every guide to the pre-Disney universe, and most of the books. Even the kids ones, like Young Jedi Knights. I lost track of a lot of the stuff as I got older, but I still have a very good collection of pre-Disney EU memorabilia. In fact, sans a few clinker novels (Crystal Star, Revan, I, Jedi (which isn't bad per se), and anything with Karen Traviss as the author (save for the very first RC novel, Hard Contact)), it was all very well put together and flowed consistently. 

So much good was lost when they got rid of the EU. So much work and art that will ultimately amount to jack shit. 

Fuck Episode VII. Fuck Rey. Fuck Finn. Fuck Kylo jerkass. 

To me, Episodes VII, VIII, and IX will always be the Thrawn Trilogy.

The EU comment is mostly tongue in cheek. I'm not a massive fan of the EU but I know there are some bright spots. Its just for me a lot of the EU just gets increasingly silly, example the Emperor ...never.. bloody.. dying.

Ive never had much experience with the extended universe... ive never watched the cartoons

Why does it end up amounting to "jack shit" though? I'm genuinely curious. So many people seem to draw a line between the EU/old canon and the new stuff. As if having one means you can't have the other. But the new canon doesn't go back and destroy anything-- those books, games, shows, etc. are still there, they're still going to be read and recommended to people, they're still going to be used in forming the experiences and meta of fans for decades to come. In my experience, "canon" and "non-canon" mean very little to 90% of any given audience base no matter what the fandom, and the presiding factor is whether or not they enjoy something rather than if it is wholly sanctioned by the current IP holder. So I honestly fail to understand the depth of the vitrol that seems to come with the disengagement of the EU from current franchise canon. I mean, I've been a massive KOTOR fan for ages but Karpyshyn's books for Revan were/are "canon" and I can't stand them at all-- doesn't ruin my experience of the KOTOR games though. Why does this title change (from canon to non-canon) somehow ruin the work done before it for fans and creators? I personally don't think it does but I'd like to see a better explanation than the emotional "they're changing things and I don't like it" response I've mostly seen up until now.

Also I'm just almost done with the Thrawn trilogy. It's OK, but I honestly feel like it was overhyped to me, I don't see how it's supposedly groundbreaking in the EU, it feels like pretty standard mass paperback scifi fare to me, just with a Star Wars skin on it. I do love Karrde tho, I could probably read an entire series just about the exploits of him & his smuggler band.

In case the icon doesn't give it away, I really enjoyed the new movie and am looking forward to Rogue One. I've been a fan of SW since I first watched my grandma's bootleg VHS tapes when I was 5. I never really felt like the new movie and the old ones were competing for which one was better-- the original trilogy has a lot of flaws, so does the new one, but I personally just enjoy it for what it is: another chance to live momentarily in a universe I really love. If its not to someone else's tastes, that's fine. Just don't really understand the depth of the negativity I've seen towards it and the fans that like it *shrugs*