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Post by Iakus on Jan 6, 2020 22:35:36 GMT
Another reason I like Reylo in the end, it undoes the destructive damage the prequels did. Once more love is a redemptive force.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 6, 2020 22:38:30 GMT
Well, Luke’s childhood best friend Biggs was there and probably vouched for his talent. Enough for the rebels, who must have had more ships than able pilots, to take the desperate step of throwing him in a cockpit. Thats EXACTLY what happened. The space scenes in OT star wars are remakes of old WW2 films, a frame by frame remake in the case of "A new hope". Yes, I know I've linked this video before, but it seems that the point needs to be made again for some people. As such comparing an X-wing to a F-16 is foolish at absolute best, it should be compare to a spitfire or a Lancaster bomber. Seriously, look at the way they move in the films. We KNOW its possible for civilian pilots to use these if needed BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED DURING WW2. In exactly the way you described in fact. Britain could manufacture new planes far, far quicker than they could train new pilots, so pretty much anybody who had basic piloting skills ended up seeing combat in a real hurry. Luke being sent into combat with minimal training by the Rebels is a deliberate shoutout to the source material on George Lucas's part, nothing to do with any mary/gary stu issues. then extend the same courteousy to Rey. Another reason I like Reylo in the end, it undoes the destructive damage the prequels did. Once more love is a redemptive force. TMAuL0HuOYt4OH6ZvuXDyOYt4OH6ZvuRqwpnn6mYN+kQeWi/mNW07jeLeDh+mb7lJw3kixVk0T3RxZWyMcbTNJs14cbadSFFjpn0ahCFqWJC6hCYwQhCABCEIAEIQgAQhCABCEJACEIQAIQhDAEFCEgOLqEJoAQhCYAhCEACEIQAIQhIASXIQhgLQhCBH//2Q==" alt=" "] ? Edit: seen the pictures. Doesen't change the fact that in our world the last we saw of it before now was Lucas crapping all over love and attachment. Sure he was trying to make a larger point but in the end it came off as being pretty ham fisted imo.
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Post by skekSil on Jan 6, 2020 22:49:04 GMT
It doesnt matter, he has never flown an X-wing. Pilots spend a lot of time to get a permission to fly a new type of plane. He would have killed himself during a take off. Have you seen how many buttons are there in SW ships? It is totally unrealistic. Also, from now on every character in any movie that drives the car must be shown to be able to drive a car. Show a drivers license on camera or something. Are we really down to reducio ad absurdum? What is absurd is saying that this one character is unlikely to be a pilot and needs to be pre-established as one in a universe were everyone, including a 9 year old kid, who never piloted a spaceship, can pilot a spaceship.
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Post by Obadiah on Jan 6, 2020 23:42:11 GMT
So... what's Ben Solo like that Rey would want to kiss him? Does he have great hair, a broad chiselled chest, and is prone to emotional mood swings? 🤔 Ok, I think I get it. they are both incredibly lonely mirror opposites of each other. He's yin to her yang. Not looking forward to her next yin.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 6, 2020 23:50:21 GMT
they are both incredibly lonely mirror opposites of each other. He's yin to her yang. Not looking forward to her next yin. its curious but I don't see her getting another love interest.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 7, 2020 0:27:29 GMT
Are we really down to reducio ad absurdum? What is absurd is saying that this one character is unlikely to be a pilot and needs to be pre-established as one in a universe were everyone, including a 9 year old kid, who never piloted a spaceship, can pilot a spaceship. It has been established that Luke WAS a pilot. What is unclear is how familiar he'd be with X-Wing controls.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 7, 2020 0:37:22 GMT
Are we really down to reducio ad absurdum? What is absurd is saying that this one character is unlikely to be a pilot and needs to be pre-established as one in a universe were everyone, including a 9 year old kid, who never piloted a spaceship, can pilot a spaceship. Aren't you the one who asserted the training issue before?
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 7, 2020 0:41:23 GMT
Thats EXACTLY what happened. The space scenes in OT star wars are remakes of old WW2 films, a frame by frame remake in the case of "A new hope". Yes, I know I've linked this video before, but it seems that the point needs to be made again for some people. As such comparing an X-wing to a F-16 is foolish at absolute best, it should be compare to a spitfire or a Lancaster bomber. Seriously, look at the way they move in the films. We KNOW its possible for civilian pilots to use these if needed BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED DURING WW2. In exactly the way you described in fact. Britain could manufacture new planes far, far quicker than they could train new pilots, so pretty much anybody who had basic piloting skills ended up seeing combat in a real hurry. Luke being sent into combat with minimal training by the Rebels is a deliberate shoutout to the source material on George Lucas's part, nothing to do with any mary/gary stu issues. then extend the same courteousy to Rey. No? Because the issue with that character goes a lot further then merely piloting a fighter or space craft. O_o All by the canon mind.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 7, 2020 0:43:41 GMT
If by "fulfilled the promise of Anakin and Luke" you mean "completely undermined their sacrifices and victories so Disney can bring us the REAL Chosen One" then I agree... The irony is that given this is Disney I wouldn't be amazed one day if they did this with Rey as well. O_o Also Rey Skywalker sounds like a fanfic insert name if you ask me.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2020 1:07:54 GMT
then extend the same courteousy to Rey. No? Because the issue with that character goes a lot further then merely piloting a fighter or space craft. O_o All by the canon mind. Cannon mind? Head cannon? There is no real issue with the character. She's great, complex, nuanced, and deeply symapthetic to me. The only mistake, the big mistake in her character arc was focusing so much of her second movie on Luke...and not her...or any of the new series characters. Luke stole the show, and while Rey did get development in that movie it was awfully truncated. Her character arc is all about self discovery and forging an identity. She spends the first two movies dealing with this by constantly looking for other people to complete her. Han Solo, Kylo Ren, Luke Skywalker, maybe Leia to a certain extent. To her she is meaningless without anyone else giving her life meaning. In Rise of Skywalker after discovering that this is a foolish thing to do, Luke isn't exactly perfect, Kylo is still an evil monster in that...and Han is dead. So Rey has no one and thus has to look to herself to forge her own destiny. Rise of Skywalker deals with this revelation by showing her discovering she is afraid of her own power all of a sudden. The thing people call her a Sue over terrifies her to the point she almost pulls a Luke Skywalker. You have most of the people in her life telling her to not be afraid of who she is...Palpatine and her Force Vision self to embrace the power of her lineage and Luke and Leia telling her that lineage does not matter in the end and you choose that destiny. This isn't some flawless Sue who just waltzes her way through things this is a woman with deeply troubling emotional state, scarred by the ghosts of her past (her parents leaving her on Jakku) troubled by her big lie (that her life only has meaning if someone else gives it to her/ sometimes what you inherit does not control you), and in the end she makes a choice to do good. To be a complete person. She probably still has those anger issues and that resentment that will always be with her, but much like Luke before her she has learned to control it and not let those things control her. All this bupkus about 'hey she can't do that she doesen't have enough training is' is just that. Bupkus. Fine, maybe it was a little rushed but at the end of the day instead of hand wringing over her we skipped the Jedi training montage (which we already got in the last two trilogies mind you) to focus on the stuff that attracts me to Star Wars so much: Character and philosophy. So I suppose at the end of the day her being hyper competent at this stuff just does not matter for me. I've justified it in my head and it works for me by and large but even if it didn't, even if I thought she was too powerful in the Force or her training wasn't justified...I doubt it would change my appreciation for the character and quite possibly what she means to me on a personal level. ... *cough* So yeah been holding a lot of that in for a while sure I'll be ripped to shreds but meh. If by "fulfilled the promise of Anakin and Luke" you mean "completely undermined their sacrifices and victories so Disney can bring us the REAL Chosen One" then I agree... The irony is that given this is Disney I wouldn't be amazed one day if they did this with Rey as well. O_o Also Rey Skywalker sounds like a fanfic insert name if you ask me. Its certainly possible that Rey will make a mistake as bad as Luke's as she tries to train the next generation of Skywalkers/ Jedi. I should hope not but that was the greatest lesson of The Last Jedi. Anyone can make mistakes...its how you deal with it that matters. Edit: At the end and upon further consideration bupkus might be a bit harsh...its a distraction thoug.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 7, 2020 2:50:00 GMT
I realize I’m resurrecting this but... Let’s be honest, how much fancy flying did Luke really do in that battle? I’m comfortable chalking his performance up to a mix of talent at flying in general from previous practice and force-given reaction time. I’m actually pretty comfortable extending that same lenience Rey myself.
Well, just in case anyone wants to know the actual answer of why Luke was able to fly an X-Wing aside from his previous piloting experience. In the EU, the T-16 and the X-wing were made by the same manufacturer. Since the T-16 was the basis for the X-Wing the controls were pretty much the same. T-16's were re-purposed as fighter craft when the Rebellion first started.
That is the fact of the day Both starfighters are still made by the same manufacturer in Disney's lore. Luke playing around with a model of his T-16 aircraft.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 7, 2020 2:51:55 GMT
So... what's Ben Solo like that Rey would want to kiss him? Does he have great hair, a broad chiselled chest, and is prone to emotional mood swings? 🤔 Ok, I think I get it. they are both incredibly lonely mirror opposites of each other. He's yin to her yang.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2020 2:53:02 GMT
they are both incredibly lonely mirror opposites of each other. He's yin to her yang. this breaks your will to live?
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 7, 2020 2:59:19 GMT
Rey's now a cat lady incel with Finn as her pet orbiter. JJ's a madman the death threats from Reylos must be overwhelming.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2020 3:04:13 GMT
Something I was wondering earlier:
What would Rey's Darth name be?
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 7, 2020 3:08:01 GMT
Darth Rex because Rey in spanish means king, and JJ is not subtle.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 7, 2020 3:11:25 GMT
What did Disney mean by this?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2020 3:13:12 GMT
Darth Rex because Rey in spanish means king, and JJ is not subtle. Subtlty has never been SWs strong suit. But I approve. What did Disney mean by this? Just a rando new alien.
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Post by Obadiah on Jan 7, 2020 3:52:14 GMT
SPOILER: Rise of Skywalker is missing more Jakku jokes. Kylo: She was hidden on Jakku. Palpatine: That seems... excessive.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2020 4:00:40 GMT
SPOILER: Rise of Skywalker is missing more Jakku jokes. Kylo: She was hidden on Jakku. Palpatine: That seems... excessive.
Palpetine: Wait, I've seen this movie before...
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Post by Iakus on Jan 7, 2020 4:48:24 GMT
Something I was wondering earlier: What would Rey's Darth name be? Sue I'll show myself out...
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Post by colfoley on Jan 7, 2020 4:50:31 GMT
Something I was wondering earlier: What would Rey's Darth name be? Sue I'll show myself out... Bye Felicia.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jan 7, 2020 5:02:28 GMT
Supposition, it is never revealed how old, hardened, or experienced these thugs are. They are also unarmed and that was supposed to be her establishment on her knowing her staff. Presumption: She actually probably has flown the Falcon before. You got me, she is pretty handy with the Falcon. But don't you think it makes sense if she's a scavenger? She clearly knows the ship well enough to know that Plutt made modifications so she does know more then Han...at that moment anyways? You're right here her initial resistance is a little far fetched actually. She masters it after struggling with it, against a Stormtrooper. No one has an issue with Luke mastering Force telekinesis after a few seconds on Hoth. Stormtroopers are noted as having weak will. Also there are several explanations for her being able to use it. The movie does not need to give an explanation one can easily be inferred. Given what we know I don't think Kylo was using the Force at all. The injury was clearly having a debilitating effect on him...over time.. like wounds do. And also there is literally no evidence Kylo has ever actually fought before now...Saber to Saber with a skilled combatant. Most laughable claim of all, she is not a 'classic' Mary Sue given that a classic Mary Sue has nothing to do with specialness and everything to do with being a self insert...and no one has explained how she's that for JJ, or anyone else. She's little more than a teenage girl. That the thugs are bigger than her is something we can see, and that they're older and more experienced is almost certain. Frankly though, I don't hold this against her as much as some of her other antics. When I see that scene it looks to me like they're really just trying to push her around a bit to get BB8, and had no intention of even trying to hurt her, and she just starts attacking them. Surprising two people who weren't prepared to fight and beating them senseless isn't out of bounds for an aggressive amateur with a heavy weapon. Nonetheless, being an utter badass with a quarterstaff is a weird skill for a scavenger to have, and two movies later I'm still wondering how the hell that happened. Nothing in The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker gives the least indication that she'd ever set foot on the Falcon before. In fact, her calling it a scrapheap just like everyone else does the first time they see it indicates to the audience that she hasn't. So far as the audience knows, she just jumped on a new ship and manifested piloting ability. For a book to later come out trying to explain it by giving her and the Falcon a belated backstory doesn't change anything. And sorry, no. I'm a technician by trade. Disassembling components from some crashed starships would not in any way, shape or form translate into knowledge of how to make a starship run better. That's expertise that she would have needed thorough and professional instruction in, and we're given no indication that she ever received that before or after she starts mucking around in the Falcon's innards. And it makes no sense for her backstory. If she can both fly and fix spaceships like a professional then there's no reason in the world why she's scavenging for her meals, even if she was adamant about staying on Jakku. Not unless Jakku's economy is strangely written to make her look like a poor underdog no matter how highly qualified an expert she actually is. Which is Mary Sue territory. Mastering something in three tries over sixty seconds isn't "struggling with it". That's ridiculous. When have you ever learned something so complex and incredible and unusual as mind control so quickly? Luke simply calls his lightsaber to him on Hoth over a distance of maybe a meter or two, and all him barely succeeding in doing so accomplishes is stranding him in a frozen waste waiting for rescue. The skill doesn't actually become something impressive until we see Yoda coaching him and pushing him to expand it on Dagobah. Rey masters a way more impactful and advanced Force power more or less just because she decides that it'd be convenient for her to do so in three quick tries, and then she single-handedly rescues herself and is well on her way to leaving the compound on her own before the other heroes show up. What do you imagine a cross-guard on a sword is for? Deflecting arrows? Even his lightsaber is visually specialized for combat with other lightsabers. Kylo Ren's main goal in the movie is finding and killing Luke Skywalker, whom we know trained him. There's plenty of reason for the audience to assume that Kylo is well-trained in close combat with his lightsaber against others. And he's very clearly beating at his wound to make the pain flare up, using it to fuel his anger and strength as per the dark side. Which I personally thought was rad as hell. He should have cut her to ribbons, or disarmed and near-mortally wounded her to bring her back with him. But he doesn't, because she just so happens to defeat him in lightsaber combat with no explanation for how or why she's remotely capable of that. Mary Sue
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(originally in fan fiction) a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses.- Wikipedia: A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Typically, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.[1] They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, -- Other traits of a Mary Sue include, bending the rules of the story (narrative, characterization and natural laws of the setting) and being an over centralizing figure.-Urban Dictionary: A Mary Sue is a character who is so perfect that he or she warps the world around them to display their perfection. It seems as though nothing in this universe except Mary Sue is even real, and is instead a plot device to make Mary Sue seem flawless and loved. A Mary Sue can destroy a piece of writing or media, since the character's existence will often forcibly make the world and people around them defy logic to simply display how amazingly radiant they are.
-- Rey is absolutely a Mary Sue. The way she's written is pure wish-fulfillment. "Wouldn't it be awesome if a normal-seeming young lady could also be a huge badass and turn out to be able to fly and fix any starship and have secret magical powers that are actually way better than the bad guys', and she single-handedly saves all her friends again and again and gets them out of one inescapable situation after another and everyone realizes she's the best after just meeting her?" Even just the fact that they attempted to do a "the dark side is strong in her" thing when the very worst they could bear for to do was accidentally blow up a ship that she incidentally thought held someone important because she was under stress is reason enough for me. That isn't a character in conflict, it's a perfect character that the writers are trying to pretend might not be perfect. I'm on your side that that doesn't mean that the movies are complete garbage to the point of not being worth seeing. But Rey's character writing still is what it is. Except, as the movie demonstrated she CAN'T excellently fly the ship at first, indicating she is at least new to THIS ship. We don't know what type of ship she is used to flying. "Blindsided" is a term you could use. "Surprising revelation of skill" would probably be more appropriate. I'm still not sure why a backstory is needed for this, other than as something to complain about. I'm pretty sure that rule is something you are making up, and stories or movies do just fine with characters revealing hidden talents that are self-explanatory. Someone in a movie starts using medical treatment, "I'm a nurse" is a good explanation, but Rey flying, even expertly (doesn't look expertly BTW, mostly lucky), a ship and saying "I'm a pilot" is not - mkay. Rey absolutely flies expertly. I don't care how wobbly her takeoff is, jumping into an unfamiliar ship, getting it off the ground in a few seconds and then winning a dogfight against trained military fighters with a broken turret isn't novice or even journeyman flying, and you know it. See, now you're calling her piloting "self-explanatory" for why it's okay for her to suddenly manifest it. How exactly is it self-explanatory for a scavenger with no intention of leaving her home to just so happen to be an expert spaceship pilot? That's a leap in her backstory that requires an explanation, just like a nurse firing up a helicopter is. You're welcome to watch any number of movies and keep an eye out. A nurse stating that s/he's a nurse and then a bit later needing to nurse someone makes perfect sense. Somebody we've never met before being in the right place at the right time to help because they're a nurse can seem a bit more convenient depending on how many people are around, but it can still make sense. But someone we've known for a little while and seen in their daily life as a plumber suddenly performing a tracheotomy with the words "I'm a nurse" requires at least a short explanation for how they went from nurse to plumber, and that explanation better be good, otherwise it's just an unbelievable and weird twist that breaks the audience's suspension of disbelief. Rey's "I'm a pilot" before taking off in the Falcon is a clear example of the latter. And no. Shitty fanfiction and B-list movies do just fine with characters suddenly revealing skillsets and hidden talents with no buildup or explanation. Good stories have characters that make internal sense and are properly introduced and developed so their victories don't break the audience's immersion.
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