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Post by colfoley on Jan 31, 2020 10:28:36 GMT
Erased the prequels? The sequels revel in them.
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Post by cypherj on Jan 31, 2020 12:33:09 GMT
The Original trilogy was just better than the other two due to casting, writing, and having a darker tone. There a reason why ROTS is pretty much the consensus best film of the prequels. It's the darkest of the three. The OT carried that tone throughout.
The first scene of A New Hope is the Empire wiping out a ship of rebels. And no matter what anyone says, there's just something different in seeing actual humans being cut down than droids. Vader comes in and chokes out a rebel before tossing the body aside. It was just a different tone in general. Jawas were slaughtered when the Empire was looking for the droids, Lukes Aunt and Uncle killed, after the movie actually spent time on establishing Luke's home life so that you cared about them.
They go to Mos Eisley, and it's a hole in the wall. The Falcon looked like a piece of junk compared to the ships in the other movies. The Falcon, like Boba Fett's ship weren't sleek and smooth, with clean lines and edges. It was all just a lot grittier and real. After the fight with Vader, Luke is bloody, bruised, same with his run in with the monster at the beginning of the movie. I'm trying to think of a scene where Rey or Anakin have this happen. Everything is just too clean nowadays. They take away the character with modern tech.
The stormtroopers from the first scene were a more ominous presence than the little kiddie droids in the prequels, and Vader was the quintessential antagonist, and James Earl Jones is a brilliant actor. Much like Harrison Ford, who is a bigger than life actor. The acting as a whole was just better in the OT. People like James Earl Jones, Harrison Ford, Billie D Williams as examples were people who became household names for things outside of Star Wars. Not saying Mark Hammill is the greatest actor, but he was the most relatable character out of the protagonists. He was just a normal teen. Worked on a farm. had chores, which he wanted to blow off to go into town and pick up some power converters with the friends.
He was literally thrust into the conflict. He just wasn't given some noble desire out of nowhere to leave home a get involved. He went looking for R2, not because it was for the cause, but because he was scared he was going to get in trouble for losing the droid. So like a lot of kids he tried to cover it up. Go out early and find it before anyone knew it was missing. Then even after finding the Jawas slaughtered, he's like I can't help you, I've been gone from home too long already I'm going to get killed when I get back. It wasn't until he had lost everything that he decided to leave. But having said that. Luke's reaction to when he found out Darth Vader was his father was more powerful than anything I saw from the other protagonists. The look of shock that followed as he wondered why Ben had lied to him.
Contrast that Rey who wanted to stay more than any of them but just joins the cause. One scene she's ready to leave BB8 on the side of the road, then an hour later she won't part with him for anything. Loyal to the point where she's ready to beat up a total stranger without question because the droid says that's my owner's jacket on that guy. Then, after having a chance to go back home, she's totally ready to make sure BB8 gets where he needs to go before she does.
Young Anakin was just wise beyond his years. He was a little too mature for his age. A lot more mature. That's not something the force grants.
I've seen Boyega in other movies and he was wasted here. He leaves the First Order in the first scene, but nothing is done with that. No nightmares or regrets expressed on what he did in the past. No intention to make up for some of the things he did by helping the resistance. There were soooooo many ways they could have gone with him. But nope. I only care about Rey, Rey, Rey, and Rey. I'm just going to run after her screaming her name as much as possible.
Kylo. He was never going to be Vader, but they lost me in the first movie. They showed him as being powerful, but then the tantrums just lost me. He wasn't some person losing control and in anger pulling towards the dark side like Luke when Vader mentioned Leia. Kylo was just some brat throwing tantrums because he didn't get his way. Just could not take him seriously after the first film.
Older Anakin came across as a brat as well, and was not the best at delivering lines. Lines like I hate sand it gets everywhere was just an example of the poor dialogue in the sequels.
Casting was just better in the OT. And I dare say the lack of tech at the time helped it in some ways. Modern tech has allowed things to be put on screen in ways people would have never imagined before. But as a result, there's too much focus on visual fidelity, and things lack the character they used to have. Same thing with video games.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 31, 2020 15:41:05 GMT
Seriously though I know Chekov's gun is a thing but that does not pre suppose it has to be used in a certain way and every major plot point in TFA got expanded upon or paid off. Just because it didn't match the hype or the fan theories doesen't mean it didn't exist. Snoke? He was just a means of Kylo getting power and then we discover he was a puppet of Palpatine...there was some set up for it to. Luke? His character got expanded upon Rey? Ditto. Kylo? Still ditto. And while the Knights of Ren didn't get any mention or screen time or expansion well JJs initial idea was probably to just create a new dark side organization to battle the New Jedi. Maybe an interesting idea but I can't feel sorry that Rian focused on what was important: Rey, Luke, and Kylo's respective character arcs and their relationship with one another. Huh? Finn got an interesting character arc, probably the second most compelling in the film IMO. The New Republic was destroyed in TFA...that was made very clear...in TFA. As for making the galaxy 'smaller', you are right but really making the galaxy bigger in the prequels only led to Star Wars loosing its focus on its characters. "I said nothing about character development"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 31, 2020 20:39:25 GMT
Alan Harris, who played Bossk in TESB as well as a few other minor characters, passed away.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 31, 2020 21:28:08 GMT
So... Did Rise of Skywalker kill the movie franchise?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 31, 2020 21:40:34 GMT
So... Did Rise of Skywalker kill the movie franchise? Considering there are rumors of a High Republic movie series, I'm going with no.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 31, 2020 21:53:24 GMT
So... Did Rise of Skywalker kill the movie franchise? Not yet. But it is fading...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 31, 2020 21:56:53 GMT
So... Did Rise of Skywalker kill the movie franchise? Not yet. But it is fading... Oh, from what the responses were before it came out,I thought it would have been the end of the Star Wars movies.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 31, 2020 22:02:52 GMT
Not yet. But it is fading... Oh, from what the responses were before it came out,I thought it would have been the end of the Star Wars movies. The franchise has a lot of momentum behind it. Decades worth. Disney has effectively killed the momentum. But inertia will keep it going fro a time.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 31, 2020 22:04:02 GMT
Alan Harris, who played Bossk in TESB as well as a few other minor characters, passed away. that's a shame.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 31, 2020 22:05:58 GMT
Oh, from what the responses were before it came out,I thought it would have been the end of the Star Wars movies. The franchise has a lot of momentum behind it. Decades worth. Disney has effectively killed the momentum. But inertia will keep it going fro a time. Can't believe I am saying this, but I hope Fox buys back the Star Wars franchise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 31, 2020 22:51:59 GMT
The franchise has a lot of momentum behind it. Decades worth. Disney has effectively killed the momentum. But inertia will keep it going fro a time. Can't believe I am saying this, but I hope Fox buys back the Star Wars franchise. How would they do that? Disney owns 20th Century Fox.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 31, 2020 22:54:44 GMT
Alan Harris, who played Bossk in TESB as well as a few other minor characters, passed away. that's a shame. Yeah. He was one of the only non-main actors to be in all three films. In 4 he was I believe the guy she speaks to when they arrive at Yavin. In 5 he was Boba’s Big Bro Bossk as well as a Besbin Guard, and in 6 he was a Stormtrooper.
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Post by cypherj on Jan 31, 2020 23:10:01 GMT
Oh, from what the responses were before it came out,I thought it would have been the end of the Star Wars movies. The franchise has a lot of momentum behind it. Decades worth. Disney has effectively killed the momentum. But inertia will keep it going fro a time. Disney definitely damaged the brand. I laugh every time I hear the ridiculous excuse of "the movies received the reception they did due to Star Wars fatigue". No, it's mediocre product fatigue. I've never seen a case of quality original product fatigue.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 31, 2020 23:23:09 GMT
So....
In thinking about this some more... I do try and not divide the 9 movies into separate trilogies but that has become more difficult in the wake of finding out Lucas's views on the Force. To that end.
Prequels- good. OT- great Sequels- magnificent....the best of Star Wars.
Because of its...
Characters- the arcs for Rey, Luke, and Kylo especially were amazing and really carried the momentum of the trilogy. The philosophy- largely before TLJ I always was more attracted to the implications of Star Wars then the Force but didn't think them deep movies. Either being pretentious or even borderline dangerous when they did talk about anything...and with Lucas I wonder if my concern wasn't warranted. Then the Last Jedi came out and suddenly Rian Johnson gave us a deep compelling look at the very fabric of Star Wars itself, if not movies. Conversations on the nature of the Jedi and the dangers of some of the more extreme elements of their philosophy came into question. The Jedi were essentially put on trial for their crimes during the Clone Wars and with this conversation it gave them the opprotunity for growth...and redemption. Along the way conflict, failure, sacrifice, and how to win these wars was given full voice. It was shown with the microcasm of the conflict between the FO and the Resistance how these centuries of conflict bred only death and destruction, as who knows how many lives were lost on both sides as the Resistance was basically down to one ship and the FO was similarily crippled. And while TROS did drop a lot of this conversation, they were still present right till the end. Expansion on the Force- Episodes 7-9 introduced a lot of interesting new Force Powers and amazing force concepts which expanded upon and deepened SWs lore. Force dyads and the implications behind all the Sith and all the Jedi. This depened upon the themes that were discussed and TROS did an excellent job introducing these new concepts. Human Characters- Perhaps the biggest issue with the six movies to this point, other then a whole host of continuity issues, was the reltability of these characters. The Jedi were Pseudo Vulcanlike warrior monks that eschewed and was even downright terrifiedof all human emotion, the one character who was by far the most 'emotional', ended up falling to the darkside because of those emotions. Even in the OT Luke was largely an unrelatable paragon of justice out on his pedestal saving the Galaxy with hardly a whif of corruption. He was idealistic and that idealism redeemed his father. And Vader was more 'machine then man', sure this made him intimidating as hell and his redemption story story is one of the best in cinema history but his intimidation came from not his humanity but from his lack of such. A cold machine monster thing. But in the end the sequels gave us human characters. They were scared, they were angry, they had their issues to work through...but they worked through them without becoming super evil monsters. Rey especially had a whole host of super reltable character flaws which made her journey compelling especially in the face of Jedi dogma: You can be a normal human, you can have human emotion, you don't have to be evil, your blood or your destiny does not matter. Modern movie effects- Not much of an issue but these movies are rather gorgeous with plenty of amazing shots and cinemetagraphy. The sound design is of special note, every time someone catches a lightsaber with that ka-thunk it is always very pleasing.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 31, 2020 23:24:49 GMT
So... Did Rise of Skywalker kill the movie franchise? I feel like this bitter old crone dealt the final blow
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 31, 2020 23:27:43 GMT
So... Did Rise of Skywalker kill the movie franchise? I feel like this bitter old crone dealt the final blow Crone? I thought she was one of those lizard people in disguise.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 1, 2020 0:43:44 GMT
The franchise has a lot of momentum behind it. Decades worth. Disney has effectively killed the momentum. But inertia will keep it going fro a time. Disney definitely damaged the brand. I laugh every time I hear the ridiculous excuse of "the movies received the reception they did due to Star Wars fatigue". No, it's mediocre product fatigue. I've never seen a case of quality original product fatigue. Yep. Given the MCU has cranked out 3 films a year for the better part of a decade with no sign of fatigue...
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Post by Iakus on Feb 1, 2020 0:46:36 GMT
The pretentiousness! IT BURNS!!!!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 1, 2020 0:51:13 GMT
The pretentiousness! IT BURNS!!!! Yes. Your pretentiousness does burn.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 1, 2020 1:01:57 GMT
The pretentiousness! IT BURNS!!!! Yes. Your pretentiousness does burn. Given an opportunity to do a sequel trilogy to one of the greatest scifi franchises of all time, one's thoughts should be "How can I do this franchise justice, and preserve George Lucas' masterpiece?" not "How can I fill the proper checkmarks?"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 1, 2020 1:21:50 GMT
Yes. Your pretentiousness does burn. Given an opportunity to do a sequel trilogy to one of the greatest scifi franchises of all time, one's thoughts should be "How can I do this franchise justice, and preserve George Lucas' masterpiece?" not "How can I fill the proper checkmarks?" Good thing it did that then.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 1, 2020 1:25:17 GMT
How is JJs words pretentious? Another hot take in a place chalk full of them apparently.
I take it as a simple acknowlegement of fact. You make a piece of entertainment, some people dislike it, some people like it, if the people who dislike it have a point you learn from it and try and do better next time. Its certainly a lot better then Rian's initial reaction to the critics of TLJ.
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