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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2020 7:25:14 GMT
And people say Anakin's childhood slavery was unrealistic. How come Rey gets a pass? Who says Anakin's childhood slavery was unrealistic? What does that mean that he shouldn't have been a good person? CONTEXT helps
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Those episodes are so ridiculous. And I really hope not. It'd cast the Jedi council in a rather different light for them to have been wringing their hands over the state of the galaxy for millennia when in fact the important thing was this one planet none of them had ever heard of. The series does a brilliant job of making sci-fi war stories both kid-friendly and poignant while at the same time expanding the lore and galaxy. But whenever it tries to delve into the Force stuff it loses me completely. Same with Rebels. And for that matter both the prequels and the sequels. Why can't they just stop fiddling with it? Wish they'd spend that time exploring the actual philosophies and psychologies of the Jedi and Sith, instead of constantly trying to put new faces on the damn space magic that's worked perfectly well as it is for thirty years. I think if they explained the mystique, it wouldn't be mystique. And then who'd buy it? "Stay tuned for answers!!!" The procedure of coitus interruptus for narration swept into mainstream cinema from TV show formats. For the worse, imo. It's become standard to treat a medium that used to narrate more closed stories to perpetual marketing and sales channels. The narration is junior to the economic business model. It's not about telling a story anymore, it's about perpetually selling franchise items to an audience.
That's why many movies are become shit today. Video games, too. Just look at the Bioware cliffhangers. Same crap.
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...No my point utimatley is that whether you call it 'art' or 'enertainment' or whether or not you separate the two of them there is no such thing as 'objective standards' in either. To say otherwise seems a little silly to me. I mean this conversation that we have should demonstrate that idea more ably then anything else. Yes I do, of course I do. But I also know of such things as savants and that some people are just more naturally gifted then I am or really could ever be at certain things over another and while those people even need training and refinement to improve their skills...to me Rey has demonstrated this concept to my satisfaction. I mean mayyybbbee TFA showed her gaining her powers a little on the fast side, but they did enough to establish and show her struggling with it for my satisfaction. And keep in mind this whole conversation is purely academic (and slightly fun to me until people start talking about 'objective standards') to me. She could be the literal all powerful 'Jedi goddess' some people claim her to be who could bencpress all of Snoke's guards by herself and take on a fully healthy Kylo Ren one handed it wouldn't really change my opinion of the character (OK maybe a slight exageration but you get the point ) afterall there are plenty of super powered OP characters across fiction which are well regarded by their audiences...some of them are also perfectly moral people... And the second part is the whole reason to it. Because the notion that she is so effortlessly moral that its like breathing for her seems to fly in the face of all three of the movies I just watched with her in them. Sure the Force Awakens may not have been perfect when showing its work...but that is why TLJ and TROS fleshed out her character and expanded on the flaws TFA did give her. Me and Obadiah has gone into this to great detail what we think those are...but she is a good person...she is not pure hearted. She is sometimes jaded and is not quick to trust others or just instantly...based on instinct...make the right choice. She struggles with herself and her own emotional issues working through them over the course of the three movies...and that is why she is releatable to me because her power or lack of power does not make her character...her humanity makes her character. Her emotional issues (some of which I share) makes me think that 'hey maybe I can be a Jedi' or 'maybe I can get over the issues in my life and still become a mega competent bad ass that she did in her last movie'...maybe its possible to get over my sins and do the right thing. This is an incredibly human character, its a shame that so many people seem only to focus on her 'power level' or only the good aspects of her character to see the flaws. Okay, fine. Clearly you feel like you see a lot in her that I don't, and me talking about ordinary perspective and standards obviously isn't changing that. If you find her that meaningful and inspirational then I guess I'm being an asshole for trying to take that away from you. Sorry about that. For the umpteenth time, I seriously don't begrudge you enjoying her or the movies. When people rationalize things with what sounds like bad logic then I feel like it's best for everyone to just... purge it. And sometimes that ends up a bit more intense than the actual issue might have justified. I'd like to point out that savants aren't just people who are naturally good at things, they're usually people with severe mental disorders that make a lot of ordinary things difficult for them while making them exceptionally suited for a few specific activities. Using their existence as justification for Rey's amazing abilities in all sorts of fields doesn't strike me as fair or logical, since she certainly couldn't be described as one. ...And even they tend to need more than a few seconds of practice before they can accomplish superhuman feats.
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...No my point utimatley is that whether you call it 'art' or 'enertainment' or whether or not you separate the two of them there is no such thing as 'objective standards' in either. To say otherwise seems a little silly to me. I mean this conversation that we have should demonstrate that idea more ably then anything else. Yes I do, of course I do. But I also know of such things as savants and that some people are just more naturally gifted then I am or really could ever be at certain things over another and while those people even need training and refinement to improve their skills...to me Rey has demonstrated this concept to my satisfaction. I mean mayyybbbee TFA showed her gaining her powers a little on the fast side, but they did enough to establish and show her struggling with it for my satisfaction. And keep in mind this whole conversation is purely academic (and slightly fun to me until people start talking about 'objective standards') to me. She could be the literal all powerful 'Jedi goddess' some people claim her to be who could bencpress all of Snoke's guards by herself and take on a fully healthy Kylo Ren one handed it wouldn't really change my opinion of the character (OK maybe a slight exageration but you get the point ) afterall there are plenty of super powered OP characters across fiction which are well regarded by their audiences...some of them are also perfectly moral people... And the second part is the whole reason to it. Because the notion that she is so effortlessly moral that its like breathing for her seems to fly in the face of all three of the movies I just watched with her in them. Sure the Force Awakens may not have been perfect when showing its work...but that is why TLJ and TROS fleshed out her character and expanded on the flaws TFA did give her. Me and Obadiah has gone into this to great detail what we think those are...but she is a good person...she is not pure hearted. She is sometimes jaded and is not quick to trust others or just instantly...based on instinct...make the right choice. She struggles with herself and her own emotional issues working through them over the course of the three movies...and that is why she is releatable to me because her power or lack of power does not make her character...her humanity makes her character. Her emotional issues (some of which I share) makes me think that 'hey maybe I can be a Jedi' or 'maybe I can get over the issues in my life and still become a mega competent bad ass that she did in her last movie'...maybe its possible to get over my sins and do the right thing. This is an incredibly human character, its a shame that so many people seem only to focus on her 'power level' or only the good aspects of her character to see the flaws. I'd like to point out that savants aren't just people who are naturally good at things, they're usually people with severe mental disorders that makes a lot of ordinary things difficult for them while making them exceptionally suited for a few specific activities. Using their existence as justification for Rey's amazing abilities in all sorts of fields doesn't strike me as fair or logical.
You beat me to this. I see that this has become the new defense.
Best case comparison for Rey is a naturally gifted. But no more than Luke or Anakin were. Probably less so when it comes to either, definitely Anakin who was literally born from the force. But even naturally gifted people have to train/practice to develop the raw talent, and use the skills properly. Most people that have ever taken up something have learned that nothing comes easy, it requires hard work and dedication. Which is pretty much how being a Jedi was described in everything up to the newest trilogy. Qui-gon explaining it to Anakin, Yoda explaining it to Luke.
So seeing Rey just use powers at high levels with no training whatsoever would be like watching a movie where someone who has never even touched a piano, studied music theory or anything related to music just sits down and starts playing concertos, sonatas, etudes, etc. It just wouldn't be believable or relatable for many people.
By the end of the second movie she had pretty much gone as far as she could go within the confines of what the previous movies had established for the force. So they had to add new force powers to the last movie so that she could continue her rapid ascent. Including, allowing her to use Sith powers with no training either. Then they still made her OP in the new powers. Force healing was explained in the same movie as a transferring of life force. Which is why Kylo ended up the way he did when he helped Rey. But Rey heals a mortally injured Kylo after stabbing him and suffers no ill effect. Once again the established rules don't apply to her.
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 12, 2020 14:22:52 GMT
So wait a minute the prequels are confusing and muddled mess but yet the sequels are coherent?! Judging by how this trilogy turned out, the prequels have become better movies. Not only are the prequels better than the sequels in every way, so is this trilogy
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Not only are the prequels better than the sequels in every way, so is this trilogy Not in every way. Let's be fair. The visual cinematography really is much better in the sequel trilogy than in either the prequels or the Hobbit. Not least because of the horrific overuse of CGI in both.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 12, 2020 16:03:06 GMT
I mean mayyybbbee TFA showed her gaining her powers a little on the fast side, but they did enough to establish and show her struggling with it for my satisfaction. And keep in mind this whole conversation is purely academic (and slightly fun to me until people start talking about 'objective standards') to me. She could be the literal all powerful 'Jedi goddess' some people claim her to be who could bencpress all of Snoke's guards by herself and take on a fully healthy Kylo Ren one handed it wouldn't really change my opinion of the character (OK maybe a slight exageration but you get the point "A little fast"? She's wielding Force powers after a day that it took Luke two or three movies to figure out! Which encompassed years of practice and "battlefield testing". Plus, you know, actual tutelage. But hey, if that's the kind of story you like, who am I to argue? I just prefer a little Hero's Journey in my power fantasies...
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 12, 2020 16:18:02 GMT
Not only are the prequels better than the sequels in every way, so is this trilogy Not in every way. Let's be fair. The visual cinematography really is much better in the sequel trilogy than in either the prequels or the Hobbit. Not least because of the horrific overuse of CGI in both. True. I admit you have an excellent point. However in all story & character aspects these movies are all superior to the abysmal sequels IMHO
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Post by Obadiah on Feb 12, 2020 17:23:12 GMT
I'd like to point out that savants aren't just people who are naturally good at things, they're usually people with severe mental disorders that makes a lot of ordinary things difficult for them while making them exceptionally suited for a few specific activities. Using their existence as justification for Rey's amazing abilities in all sorts of fields doesn't strike me as fair or logical.
You beat me to this. I see that this has become the new defense.
Best case comparison for Rey is a naturally gifted. But no more than Luke or Anakin were. Probably less so when it comes to either, definitely Anakin who was literally born from the force. But even naturally gifted people have to train/practice to develop the raw talent, and use the skills properly. Most people that have ever taken up something have learned that nothing comes easy, it requires hard work and dedication. Which is pretty much how being a Jedi was described in everything up to the newest trilogy. Qui-gon explaining it to Anakin, Yoda explaining it to Luke.
So seeing Rey just use powers at high levels with no training whatsoever would be like watching a movie where someone who has never even touched a piano, studied music theory or anything related to music just sits down and starts playing concertos, sonatas, etudes, etc. It just wouldn't be believable or relatable for many people.
By the end of the second movie she had pretty much gone as far as she could go within the confines of what the previous movies had established for the force. So they had to add new force powers to the last movie so that she could continue her rapid ascent. Including, allowing her to use Sith powers with no training either. Then they still made her OP in the new powers. Force healing was explained in the same movie as a transferring of life force. Which is why Kylo ended up the way he did when he helped Rey. But Rey heals a mortally injured Kylo after stabbing him and suffers no ill effect. Once again the established rules don't apply to her.
K... so... Rey is whatever the phrase is that you'd rather to use for someone with heretofor unknown but now realized and gifted knack, aptitude, natural ability, competency, etc..., augmented by natural affinity through ancestry.
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...No my point utimatley is that whether you call it 'art' or 'enertainment' or whether or not you separate the two of them there is no such thing as 'objective standards' in either. To say otherwise seems a little silly to me. I mean this conversation that we have should demonstrate that idea more ably then anything else. Yes I do, of course I do. But I also know of such things as savants and that some people are just more naturally gifted then I am or really could ever be at certain things over another and while those people even need training and refinement to improve their skills...to me Rey has demonstrated this concept to my satisfaction. I mean mayyybbbee TFA showed her gaining her powers a little on the fast side, but they did enough to establish and show her struggling with it for my satisfaction. And keep in mind this whole conversation is purely academic (and slightly fun to me until people start talking about 'objective standards') to me. She could be the literal all powerful 'Jedi goddess' some people claim her to be who could bencpress all of Snoke's guards by herself and take on a fully healthy Kylo Ren one handed it wouldn't really change my opinion of the character (OK maybe a slight exageration but you get the point ) afterall there are plenty of super powered OP characters across fiction which are well regarded by their audiences...some of them are also perfectly moral people... And the second part is the whole reason to it. Because the notion that she is so effortlessly moral that its like breathing for her seems to fly in the face of all three of the movies I just watched with her in them. Sure the Force Awakens may not have been perfect when showing its work...but that is why TLJ and TROS fleshed out her character and expanded on the flaws TFA did give her. Me and Obadiah has gone into this to great detail what we think those are...but she is a good person...she is not pure hearted. She is sometimes jaded and is not quick to trust others or just instantly...based on instinct...make the right choice. She struggles with herself and her own emotional issues working through them over the course of the three movies...and that is why she is releatable to me because her power or lack of power does not make her character...her humanity makes her character. Her emotional issues (some of which I share) makes me think that 'hey maybe I can be a Jedi' or 'maybe I can get over the issues in my life and still become a mega competent bad ass that she did in her last movie'...maybe its possible to get over my sins and do the right thing. This is an incredibly human character, its a shame that so many people seem only to focus on her 'power level' or only the good aspects of her character to see the flaws. Okay, fine. Clearly you feel like you see a lot in her that I don't, and me talking about ordinary perspective and standards obviously isn't changing that. If you find her that meaningful and inspirational then I guess I'm being an asshole for trying to take that away from you. Sorry about that. For the umpteenth time, I seriously don't begrudge you enjoying her or the movies. When people rationalize things with what sounds like bad logic then I feel like it's best for everyone to just... purge it. And sometimes that ends up a bit more intense than the actual issue might have justified. I'd like to point out that savants aren't just people who are naturally good at things, they're usually people with severe mental disorders that make a lot of ordinary things difficult for them while making them exceptionally suited for a few specific activities. Using their existence as justification for Rey's amazing abilities in all sorts of fields doesn't strike me as fair or logical, since she certainly couldn't be described as one. ...And even they tend to need more than a few seconds of practice before they can accomplish superhuman feats. I do understand the need to try and sort through bad logic...because to me most of the criticisms against Rey...and the sequels at large...aren't logically consistent and seem to go out of their way to ignore aspects of the nine movies (or twist them) just to prove the point. And for the record I'm fine with all of them I love Luke and the OT was amazing just that when one uses one to criticize the other it's a little annoying. But purging bad logic might be a little extreme. Interesting point and it seems accurate and bears more research...if that's the case though then I've simply been using the wrong term out of ignorance. I mean mayyybbbee TFA showed her gaining her powers a little on the fast side, but they did enough to establish and show her struggling with it for my satisfaction. And keep in mind this whole conversation is purely academic (and slightly fun to me until people start talking about 'objective standards') to me. She could be the literal all powerful 'Jedi goddess' some people claim her to be who could bencpress all of Snoke's guards by herself and take on a fully healthy Kylo Ren one handed it wouldn't really change my opinion of the character (OK maybe a slight exageration but you get the point "A little fast"? She's wielding Force powers after a day that it took Luke two or three movies to figure out! Which encompassed years of practice and "battlefield testing". Plus, you know, actual tutelage. But hey, if that's the kind of story you like, who am I to argue? I just prefer a little Hero's Journey in my power fantasies... Sure but there is more then one way to paint a canvas. Luke's was physical, since he more or less had everything he needed on Tattoine emotionally/ morally (going to stress this is just my opinion) they had to show him as being weak and needing to master his powers. Rey's was more emotional since she was such a mess hers was more internal. I don't know why the 'crippled bad ass' trope appeals to me so much, but it does.
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I mean mayyybbbee TFA showed her gaining her powers a little on the fast side, but they did enough to establish and show her struggling with it for my satisfaction. And keep in mind this whole conversation is purely academic (and slightly fun to me until people start talking about 'objective standards') to me. She could be the literal all powerful 'Jedi goddess' some people claim her to be who could bencpress all of Snoke's guards by herself and take on a fully healthy Kylo Ren one handed it wouldn't really change my opinion of the character (OK maybe a slight exageration but you get the point "A little fast"? She's wielding Force powers after a day that it took Luke two or three movies to figure out! Which encompassed years of practice and "battlefield testing". Plus, you know, actual tutelage. But hey, if that's the kind of story you like, who am I to argue? I just prefer a little Hero's Journey in my power fantasies... Starting at the conceptual level Rey's character was fucked by the writers, and that wasn't touched upon until the team decided to add a modicum of depth to her character in TRoS, but the damage was already done. "We think of Star Wars as a fairytale. Two twins: One is sent off to be a farmer and one is sent off to be a princess. Rey is kind of both." www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/01/09/maybe-the-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-writer-should-stop-explaining-his-decisions/#22b2a565776dRey was a derivative Frankenstein mashup of two better written characters whose development largely hinged on free power-ups, and being gifted ownership of legacy character's property as if she was the lead in a Shounen Jump comic.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2020 20:02:36 GMT
"A little fast"? She's wielding Force powers after a day that it took Luke two or three movies to figure out! Which encompassed years of practice and "battlefield testing". Plus, you know, actual tutelage. But hey, if that's the kind of story you like, who am I to argue? I just prefer a little Hero's Journey in my power fantasies... Starting at the conceptual level Rey's character was fucked by the writers, and that wasn't touched upon until the team decided to add a modicum of depth to her character in TRoS, but the damage was already done. "We think of Star Wars as a fairytale. Two twins: One is sent off to be a farmer and one is sent off to be a princess. Rey is kind of both." www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/01/09/maybe-the-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-writer-should-stop-explaining-his-decisions/#22b2a565776dRey was a derivative Frankenstein mashup of two better written characters whose development largely hinged on free power-ups, and being gifted ownership of legacy character's property as if she was the lead in a Shounen Jump comic. Oh Forbes Good find though. Edit: though she is literally both...
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"A little fast"? She's wielding Force powers after a day that it took Luke two or three movies to figure out! Which encompassed years of practice and "battlefield testing". Plus, you know, actual tutelage. But hey, if that's the kind of story you like, who am I to argue? I just prefer a little Hero's Journey in my power fantasies... Starting at the conceptual level Rey's character was fucked by the writers, and that wasn't touched upon until the team decided to add a modicum of depth to her character in TRoS, but the damage was already done. Wasn't just Rey.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 12, 2020 22:52:37 GMT
Sure but there is more then one way to paint a canvas. Luke's was physical, since he more or less had everything he needed on Tattoine emotionally/ morally (going to stress this is just my opinion) they had to show him as being weak and needing to master his powers. Rey's was more emotional since she was such a mess hers was more internal. I don't know why the 'crippled bad ass' trope appeals to me so much, but it does. Not really. Luke was clearly unhappy and didn't want to be a farmer. He stayed out of a sense of obligation (and the promises from Owen that he could "go to the academy next year") He leaped at the chance to go on an adventure with old Ben Kenobi once the farm was destroyed. And you ALWAYS need to show someone mastering their powers if we are shown that they are discovering them. To do otherwise is very...Mary Sue-ish. Plus aside from the occasional whine about her parents, we rarely see this "emotional mess" Rey is supposedly in. FINN struck me as more emotionally vulnerable in TFA. His struggle for an identity and a place to fit in was much more appealing. I mean, when the film stated he didn't even have a NAME!
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Post by Iakus on Feb 12, 2020 22:55:46 GMT
Starting at the conceptual level Rey's character was fucked by the writers, and that wasn't touched upon until the team decided to add a modicum of depth to her character in TRoS, but the damage was already done. "We think of Star Wars as a fairytale. Two twins: One is sent off to be a farmer and one is sent off to be a princess. Rey is kind of both." www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/01/09/maybe-the-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-writer-should-stop-explaining-his-decisions/#22b2a565776dRey was a derivative Frankenstein mashup of two better written characters whose development largely hinged on free power-ups, and being gifted ownership of legacy character's property as if she was the lead in a Shounen Jump comic. Oh Forbes Good find though. Edit: though she is literally both... Well, it pretty much confirms that 1) There was no coherent plan for these movies 2) Rian p*ssed all over the setup they had for what few plot points they DID have.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2020 23:10:56 GMT
Sure but there is more then one way to paint a canvas. Luke's was physical, since he more or less had everything he needed on Tattoine emotionally/ morally (going to stress this is just my opinion) they had to show him as being weak and needing to master his powers. Rey's was more emotional since she was such a mess hers was more internal. I don't know why the 'crippled bad ass' trope appeals to me so much, but it does. Not really. Luke was clearly unhappy and didn't want to be a farmer. He stayed out of a sense of obligation (and the promises from Owen that he could "go to the academy next year") He leaped at the chance to go on an adventure with old Ben Kenobi once the farm was destroyed. And you ALWAYS need to show someone mastering their powers if we are shown that they are discovering them. To do otherwise is very...Mary Sue-ish. Plus aside from the occasional whine about her parents, we rarely see this "emotional mess" Rey is supposedly in. FINN struck me as more emotionally vulnerable in TFA. His struggle for an identity and a place to fit in was much more appealing. I mean, when the film stated he didn't even have a NAME! Except they did. Nothing she did in the first two movies came as 'easy as breathing. It is actually an interesting point about Finn especially in relation for Poe...the only one that didn't struggle with identity issues I guess was Poe of all people. But considering he was supposed to die originally on Jakku (so I've heard) makes the whole thing even more...interesting.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 12, 2020 23:17:27 GMT
Not really. Luke was clearly unhappy and didn't want to be a farmer. He stayed out of a sense of obligation (and the promises from Owen that he could "go to the academy next year") He leaped at the chance to go on an adventure with old Ben Kenobi once the farm was destroyed. And you ALWAYS need to show someone mastering their powers if we are shown that they are discovering them. To do otherwise is very...Mary Sue-ish. Plus aside from the occasional whine about her parents, we rarely see this "emotional mess" Rey is supposedly in. FINN struck me as more emotionally vulnerable in TFA. His struggle for an identity and a place to fit in was much more appealing. I mean, when the film stated he didn't even have a NAME! Except they did. Nothing she did in the first two movies came as 'easy as breathing. Besides the Falcon, dueling, shooting, the list continues and continues and has been gone over to a ridiculous extent and you have been present for much for it so this is a blatant lie.
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Post by Evil on Feb 13, 2020 0:03:33 GMT
Rey was a derivative Frankenstein mashup of two better written characters whose development largely hinged on free power-ups, and being gifted ownership of legacy character's property as if she was the lead in a Shounen Jump comic. That's an undeserved insult. Shounen jump comics aren't THAT bad.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 13, 2020 0:20:39 GMT
Rey was a derivative Frankenstein mashup of two better written characters whose development largely hinged on free power-ups, and being gifted ownership of legacy character's property as if she was the lead in a Shounen Jump comic. That's an undeserved insult. Shounen jump comics aren't THAT bad. I vehemently apologize because the writers at Shounen Jump are far superior to the ones Lucasfilms employed, nevermind Kenshiro, Luffy, Goku, and Kenshin actually training for their skills. I'd sooner reread post Soul Society Bleach than marathon the sequel trilogy.
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Post by Noxluxe on Feb 13, 2020 3:12:14 GMT
Ah, what could have been. Don't approve of Poe's "General Regalia" design. I personally like him better as an Admiral, because screw Holdo, and the idea that she and Leia "taught him how to lead" in TLJ wasn't executed anywhere near well or logically enough to deserve to be honored in his costume. And I was frankly already annoyed that they dropped the dorky traffic cone-orange starfighter pilot jumpsuits from the OT. The actor already looks great in all his outfits, leave him alone. The others are neat though. Finn and Poe have the first and strongest relationship in the Force Awakens, and it's stupid that Finn isn't seen with Poe's jacket again for the rest of the trilogy. And him feeling some kind of connection to the heroic troopers from the Clone Wars is an interesting idea given his background. Rey's are especially nice. Her weirdly tight and impractical white and beige robes with silly arm wrappings instead of sleeves never did anything for me. The TLJ outfit was a definite step up, and even more layers and practicality on top of it would have been cool and done well to show her being more cautious and having had to think and plan to stay alive even with her ridiculous powers. And a saberstaff really would have made soooo much more sense for her. Kylo getting a more varied wardrobe as Supreme Leader would have been cool too. And Adam Driver should absolutely have grown the closest thing he possibly could to a beard for RoS. The yellow eyes might have worked and might have been too much. The Witcher has turned me off ridiculously colored contact lenses for a while. And I, for one, was happy to see the mask go. It was intimidating enough until we actually got to know him as a spineless idiot, at which point it became stupid.
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Post by Obadiah on Feb 13, 2020 4:30:47 GMT
I believe the implication here is that, if Chewie flew in behind some Tie fighters who happened to line up in a straight line in front the Falcon's turret, Luke or Han couldn't make this shot? *Shrug* M'kay.
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Post by Hier0phant on Feb 13, 2020 7:15:31 GMT
I believe the implication here is that, if Chewie flew in behind some Tie fighters who happened to line up in a straight line in front the Falcon's turret, Luke or Han couldn't make this shot? *Shrug* M'kay.
No. The scene soley exists to display how awesome Rey rey is and killed all the tension. George Lucas with all of his faults wouldn't film such a scene for the OT characters, and Kathleen Kennedy with her hateboner for Luke and Han wouldn't either.
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