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Post by Iakus on Apr 4, 2020 18:05:57 GMT
Worry less about the voice matching up and more about the character matching up. That's by far the greater danger.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 4, 2020 18:34:02 GMT
True on both accounts. Agreed
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Post by colfoley on Apr 4, 2020 19:17:07 GMT
They could also always have Ashley still do the voice while Rosario plays the body. They did that with Maul in the Solo movie where the actor who played him in TPM was the body but the actor who played him in TCW/Rebels did the voice. shit I did not know that.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 4, 2020 23:45:41 GMT
They could also always have Ashley still do the voice while Rosario plays the body. They did that with Maul in the Solo movie where the actor who played him in TPM was the body but the actor who played him in TCW/Rebels did the voice. No way they will do that with and actress of Dawson's level of fame, especially if she's going to have a bigger role.
Ray Park got the part in TPM because he was a skilled martial artist, I don't think he even was an actor at that time. He was voiced by Peter Serafinowicz then, btw.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2020 2:34:39 GMT
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 5, 2020 3:40:34 GMT
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this. It could be worse. JJ could've gone with blaster rifles that fired Death Star lasers instead.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2020 4:05:43 GMT
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this. As someone who has, from time to time, wanted to change their last name because of family issues I can certainly understand the desire to go by something else in order to wipe the slate clean, as it were. And if she is more of a Skywalker in temperment and spirit then a Palpatine then that is who she truly is. And while you do raise a point about the passing familiarity of KOTOR and TROSs Macguffins...I guess...it seems a stretch to say one is ripping the other off based on plot. Afterall those can't be the only two Star Wars installments with maps. I mean was it ripping off Dead Man's Chest?
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Post by Serza on Apr 5, 2020 9:14:30 GMT
Worry less about the voice matching up and more about the character matching up. That's by far the greater danger.
Then again, Filoni has a major voice in the creative process. Ahsoka is essentially one of his characters, no? I think the danger is minimized by this. Hope, really.
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this.
I think it's because Ruin is an asshole that has no business around movies. While Abrams is merely underqualified for something of such a scope. I mean, come on. TFA was a changed up rehash of A New Hope, but it wasn't a trainwreck. I still believe that if he had all three, the trilogy would be average, not mindblowing, not insulting, but just there, accepted if not liked. Aaaaand what we got...
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 5, 2020 11:52:31 GMT
So I just watched my blu-ray copy of Ep. 9 last night, and I had to had it with subtitles because of my hearing loss-- I watch everything with subtitles, and as I got to the end where Rey was lying on the ground I knew what was coming but something inside me wanted to confirm it. I guess I wanted to know it was real. I've read all the online stuff about whose voices we hear....Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace Windu, Yoda....Even Kanaan Jarrus....And I'd read that the female voices were Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura (who is voiced by the great Jennifer Hale) even Adi Gallia (who for a long time was my favourite character, thanks to the game JEDI POWER BATTLES)....and the *surprise of surprises& Ahsoka Tano (which is an amazing addition and callback to the CLONE WARS)....But as I was reading the subtitles, none of those female Jedi were actually identified. The subtitles simply read "FEMALE JEDI".
Did they not know whose voices (aside from the men like Anakin and Obi-wan) they wanted to add? Or was it a mistake by the person responsible for writing the subtitles? Because I've heard that all of their names (both male and female) are properly identified in the end credits.....
so...what gives? Why would the female Jedi not be named? I'm betting it was a mistake by the subtitle writer.
Anybody have any thoughts on this?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2020 15:07:16 GMT
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this. It could be worse. JJ could've gone with blaster rifles that fired Death Star lasers instead. I'm sure that would have been Episode X: Palpatine Strikes Back when he comes back to life yet again and forms his Absolutely-This-Time-I-Really-Mean-It-REAL-Super-Duper-Final-Order. HEck he'll be able to blow up entire worlds with his Force Lightning at that point.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2020 15:21:08 GMT
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this. As someone who has, from time to time, wanted to change their last name because of family issues I can certainly understand the desire to go by something else in order to wipe the slate clean, as it were. And if she is more of a Skywalker in temperment and spirit then a Palpatine then that is who she truly is. And while you do raise a point about the passing familiarity of KOTOR and TROSs Macguffins...I guess...it seems a stretch to say one is ripping the other off based on plot. Afterall those can't be the only two Star Wars installments with maps. I mean was it ripping off Dead Man's Chest?Isn't that Leia's whole point? Rey was a Palpatine. She shouldn't be ashamed of that. It's not like Luke changed his name to Lars. Or Kenobi. This movie would have made so much more sense if she was actually a Skywalker, either a child of Luke's or Leia's, or heck a clone of Shmi's. I mean, when confronting Palpatine, he was gloating that when Luke confronted him, he was rescued by his family, but now, Rey was alone with him, her grandfather. Cut to Ben doing his one-man lightsaberless assault to help her. Re: Dead Man's CHest: Given that's also a Disney property, that's entirely possible. I can say one nice thing about JJ Abrams. I believe that, unlike Kathleen Kennedy or Rian Johnson, I believe he genuinely loves Star Wars. Not just the brand and the money that comes with hit, but Lucas's story and vision. Left to his own devices, I don't think the old characters would have been treated as shabbily as they were. The problem is, he has zero creativity. All he can do is make inferior copies of what's come before. And tries to paper over his shortcomings with lots of CGI and over-the-top action scenes. I'm all for a good lightsaber duel or space battle, but that's supposed to accompany a good, timeless story. Ina decade or two when the special effects here are no longer cutting edge, who's going to remember this trilogy?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2020 15:51:30 GMT
So I just watched my blu-ray copy of Ep. 9 last night, and I had to had it with subtitles because of my hearing loss-- I watch everything with subtitles, and as I got to the end where Rey was lying on the ground I knew what was coming but something inside me wanted to confirm it. I guess I wanted to know it was real. I've read all the online stuff about whose voices we hear....Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace Windu, Yoda....Even Kanaan Jarrus....And I'd read that the female voices were Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura (who is voiced by the great Jennifer Hale) even Adi Gallia (who for a long time was my favourite character, thanks to the game JEDI POWER BATTLES)....and the *surprise of surprises& Ahsoka Tano (which is an amazing addition and callback to the CLONE WARS)....But as I was reading the subtitles, none of those female Jedi were actually identified. The subtitles simply read "FEMALE JEDI". Did they not know whose voices (aside from the men like Anakin and Obi-wan) they wanted to add? Or was it a mistake by the person responsible for writing the subtitles? Because I've heard that all of their names (both male and female) are properly identified in the end credits..... so...what gives? Why would the female Jedi not be named? I'm betting it was a mistake by the subtitle writer. Anybody have any thoughts on this? Definitely a mistake by the people creating the subtitles, since as you said the people who made the movie knew who all the characters were and had them in the end credits.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 5, 2020 16:11:29 GMT
So I just watched my blu-ray copy of Ep. 9 last night, and I had to had it with subtitles because of my hearing loss-- I watch everything with subtitles, and as I got to the end where Rey was lying on the ground I knew what was coming but something inside me wanted to confirm it. I guess I wanted to know it was real. I've read all the online stuff about whose voices we hear....Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace Windu, Yoda....Even Kanaan Jarrus....And I'd read that the female voices were Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura (who is voiced by the great Jennifer Hale) even Adi Gallia (who for a long time was my favourite character, thanks to the game JEDI POWER BATTLES)....and the *surprise of surprises& Ahsoka Tano (which is an amazing addition and callback to the CLONE WARS)....But as I was reading the subtitles, none of those female Jedi were actually identified. The subtitles simply read "FEMALE JEDI". Did they not know whose voices (aside from the men like Anakin and Obi-wan) they wanted to add? Or was it a mistake by the person responsible for writing the subtitles? Because I've heard that all of their names (both male and female) are properly identified in the end credits..... so...what gives? Why would the female Jedi not be named? I'm betting it was a mistake by the subtitle writer. Anybody have any thoughts on this? Definitely a mistake by the people creating the subtitles, since as you said the people who made the movie knew who all the characters were and had them in the end credits. I would tend to agree, Hanako. I have yet to review the credits myself, but I have heard and read that all the characters are properly listed in order. I just found it very weird. I also found it a little jarring, the way it happened. As if hearing the voices and reading the names of only the men-- even Kanaan Jarrus, but none of the women, almost took me out of that experience and oddly lessened it for me in a way. Like the movie-makers were in a rush and could have just thought " Ah, let's just throw some random nameless 'Jedi' in the mix, voices upon voices, and have Rey make as if she has the backing of thousands. Doesn't have to be anyone of import, the audience won't know the difference.... And so that's what they did. And even with the subtitles ON, I had a hard time following things that were said especially when it came to that part, so it kinda glossed it over for me; though I know that is not the fault of the movie but my own hearing difficulties. Still, I was looking forward to seeing that part and reading all the names, reading/hearing what each person said. Yet in terms of the credits, the women of the Order were just as influential as the men. Adi Gallia, Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura and especially Asohka...that right there is a huge addition so why wouldn't she be properly identified? Unless it was a mistake of oversight. *As of 12:35 Eastern Time, I just finished watching that scene....and Aayla Secura is named...But the others are not. They are simply called "Female Jedi 2, 3 and 4"....However, I watched the credits carefully, and ALL the characters are named as are the actors/actresses who voiced them. (Jennifer Hale voiced Aayla Secura, Olivia D'Abo voiced Luminara Unduli and Ashley Eckstein voiced Ahsoka). It even listed both Ewan McGregor and Sir Alec Guinness as the 'voices' of Ben Kenobi, which is only approrpriate. And I still couldn't hear clearly enought to out everything that was said.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2020 16:15:54 GMT
Definitely a mistake by the people creating the subtitles, since as you said the people who made the movie knew who all the characters were and had them in the end credits. I would tend to agree, Hanako. I have yet to review the credits myself, but I have heard and read that all the characters are properly listed in order. I just found it very weird. I also found it a little jarring, the way it happened. As if hearing the voices and reading the names of only the men-- even Kanaan Jarrus, but none of the women, almost took me out of that experience and oddly lessened it for me in a way. Like the movie-makers were in a rush and could have just thought " Ah, let's just throw some random nameless 'Jedi' in the mix, voices upon voices, and have Rey make as if she has the backing of thousands. Doesn't have to be anyone of import, the audience won't know the difference.... And so that's what they did. And even with the subtitles ON, I had a hard time following things that were said especially when it came to that part, so it kinda glossed it over for me; though I know that is not the fault of the movie but my own hearing difficulties. Still, I was looking forward to seeing that part and reading all the names, reading/hearing what each person said. Yet in terms of the credits, the women of the Order were just as influential as the men. Adi Gallia, Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura and especially Asohka...that right there is a huge addition so why wouldn't she be properly identified? Unless it was a mistake of oversight. I can confirm that the credits have them all listed by character and actor/actress. So it was definitely an oversight by the subtitle creator.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2020 16:18:00 GMT
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this. As someone who has, from time to time, wanted to change their last name because of family issues I can certainly understand the desire to go by something else in order to wipe the slate clean, as it were. And if she is more of a Skywalker in temperment and spirit then a Palpatine then that is who she truly is. And while you do raise a point about the passing familiarity of KOTOR and TROSs Macguffins...I guess...it seems a stretch to say one is ripping the other off based on plot. Afterall those can't be the only two Star Wars installments with maps. I mean was it ripping off Dead Man's Chest? That theme goes all the way back to the first movie since the plans R2 has is just a map of the Death Star, and the Rebels wanting it to find a path to get through and destroy it.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2020 18:44:29 GMT
As someone who has, from time to time, wanted to change their last name because of family issues I can certainly understand the desire to go by something else in order to wipe the slate clean, as it were. And if she is more of a Skywalker in temperment and spirit then a Palpatine then that is who she truly is. And while you do raise a point about the passing familiarity of KOTOR and TROSs Macguffins...I guess...it seems a stretch to say one is ripping the other off based on plot. Afterall those can't be the only two Star Wars installments with maps. I mean was it ripping off Dead Man's Chest?Isn't that Leia's whole point? Rey was a Palpatine. She shouldn't be ashamed of that. It's not like Luke changed his name to Lars. Or Kenobi. This movie would have made so much more sense if she was actually a Skywalker, either a child of Luke's or Leia's, or heck a clone of Shmi's. I mean, when confronting Palpatine, he was gloating that when Luke confronted him, he was rescued by his family, but now, Rey was alone with him, her grandfather. Cut to Ben doing his one-man lightsaberless assault to help her. Re: Dead Man's CHest: Given that's also a Disney property, that's entirely possible. I can say one nice thing about JJ Abrams. I believe that, unlike Kathleen Kennedy or Rian Johnson, I believe he genuinely loves Star Wars. Not just the brand and the money that comes with hit, but Lucas's story and vision. Left to his own devices, I don't think the old characters would have been treated as shabbily as they were. The problem is, he has zero creativity. All he can do is make inferior copies of what's come before. And tries to paper over his shortcomings with lots of CGI and over-the-top action scenes. I'm all for a good lightsaber duel or space battle, but that's supposed to accompany a good, timeless story. Ina decade or two when the special effects here are no longer cutting edge, who's going to remember this trilogy? We're just going to have to disagree on that. There is way more setup for her being a Palpatine then her being a Skywalker even if they did screw up by not setting up the fact he survived better. I probably will. I mean while I am trying to consider the 9 movies one contiguous saga unfortunately I will probably watch 7-9 more often since it's going to be hard to watch all 9 of them in a marathon setting. Out of the movies that have released recently I'm up to my 10th watching of TFA, and I have actually bought all of them...haven't even seen Endgame twice. And I don't know about the story...but the characters and themes are timeless. Hell it's just kind of funny how different my opinion is on these movies because while the CGI is certainly impressive overall the action was better in the OT and Prequels.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 5, 2020 18:45:06 GMT
Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this... Relevant
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2020 19:20:21 GMT
Speaking of the Saga, watching the OT today.
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Finally got around to watching Rise of Palpatine: Yeah, it's as garbage as I feared. Not AS garbage as The Last Dumpster FIre. But that's not exactly a high bar to rach. I mean, seriously: Leia: "Rey, never be afraid of who you are" Luke: "You're a Palpatine. Leia knew it too" Rey: "I'm Rey Skywalker" Fleets of Star Destroyers armed with Death Star lasers? JJ has lost what little sense of subtlety he ever had. The KOTOR-ripoff "Find the map to the Star Forge Final Order world might have been a mildly entertaining second movie, with Luke Leading Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. as he trained Rey on the fly. But really this... Relevant Rushed dialogue: Accurate After watching the movie, I talked to my mom about it (she now has more interest in Star Wars than I do, (protip: during this time of quarantine, call your mom, she worries) She didn't like Rise of Palpatine either, saying "everything was explained in 30 second vignettes. There was never any time taken for actual plot development or foreshadowing) She was surprised to find a Star Wars movie she genuinely didn't like (she teases me for only not liking The Last Dumpster Fire because "they turned Luke into a curmudgeon") And I must admit, Rey wasn't quite AS Sue-ish as she was in the first two Disney Wars. She was still essentially a Force Goddess, but at least they gave her some minor anger management issues. So...yay? I also tend to agree that it was nice to have what we did with Leia. But damn it still hurts how dirty they did Luke. My skin seriously crawled whenever I heard original Star Wars music. This movie wasn't worthy of it. The music was sullied for having touched the film. Yeah that "I'm all the Sith" "No, I'M ALL THE JEDI!" was completely nonsensical. It's just JJ's "Bigger=better" philosophy
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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2020 20:04:59 GMT
I guess Frodo's Mithril shirt was actually beskar
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 5, 2020 20:55:02 GMT
I guess Frodo's Mithril shirt was actually beskar This actually has me liking LOTR! I've seen it once, it was good- I enjoyed it. But I don't want to see it again....and the thought of the "NOW 4-hour SUPER EXTRA LONG FANTABULOUSLY OVER EXTENDED EDITION.......Now with 2.5 hours of watching Frodo climb the mountain!" bores the heck out of me. The Theatrical version was painfully long enough, thank you. But the lightsaber effects were pretty fun to watch in this vid.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2020 21:00:39 GMT
Awhile back someone made the claim around here that with Luke able to catch the lightsaber in 9 what's the advantage in not being a Force ghost?
Well same question can be asked in Episode 4. Afterall Obi-Wan did say 'if you strike me down I'll become more powerful then you can possibly imagine' at which point he INTENTIONALLY sacrifices himself so he can be the voice in Luke's head.
Never mind the insinuation in TCWs when Yoda was going on about how they will win for all time he was talking about Force ghosts and sure enough in 9...
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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2020 21:41:14 GMT
Awhile back someone made the claim around here that with Luke able to catch the lightsaber in 9 what's the advantage in not being a Force ghost? Well same question can be asked in Episode 4. Afterall Obi-Wan did say 'if you strike me down I'll become more powerful then you can possibly imagine' at which point he INTENTIONALLY sacrifices himself so he can be the voice in Luke's head. Never mind the insinuation in TCWs when Yoda was going on about how they will win for all time he was talking about Force ghosts and sure enough in 9... Obi-Wan Kenobi: If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2020 21:44:14 GMT
I don't want to be one of these people, I hate it that ya'll have driven me to thus...but because of the stupid criticism against Rey the whole final battle was hard to watch and annoying.
Let's see: I can understand the desperation of putting a warm body in a cockpit even without experience...but then the squad leader puts him in charge of an attack run on said first mission, he demonstrates a brief struggle when he almost plows into the death star...but does not really have any issues from there (Rey meanwhile bounces the Falcon off the ground and gets called a Sue for it).
And of course the icing on the cake he is able to hold off Vader by tying into the Force after a five minute pep talk by Obi-Wan while Vader is regarded as a terrific combat pilot who was killing more experienced combat pilots then Luke left and right (7 by my count). And Luke just flies around for a second or two until Han can save his ass.
Didn't have any trouble at all with this sequence aside from the vague 'maybe a little boring' but if I were to follow everyone's logic then there is just one 'plot hole' after another.
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