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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2020 21:44:28 GMT
I guess Frodo's Mithril shirt was actually beskar This actually has me liking LOTR! I've seen it once, it was good- I enjoyed it. But I don't want to see it again....and the thought of the "NOW 4-hour SUPER EXTRA LONG FANTABULOUSLY OVER EXTENDED EDITION.......Now with 2.5 hours of watching Frodo climb the mountain!" bores the heck out of me. The Theatrical version was painfully long enough, thank you. But the lightsaber effects were pretty fun to watch in this vid.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 5, 2020 21:55:13 GMT
I don't want to be one of these people, I hate it that ya'll have driven me to thus...but because of the stupid criticism against Rey the whole final battle was hard to watch and annoying. Let's see: I can understand the desperation of putting a warm body in a cockpit even without experience...but then the squad leader puts him in charge of an attack run on said first mission, he demonstrates a brief struggle when he almost plows into the death star...but does not really have any issues from there (Rey meanwhile bounces the Falcon off the ground and gets called a Sue for it). And of course the icing on the cake he is able to hold off Vader by tying into the Force after a five minute pep talk by Obi-Wan while Vader is regarded as a terrific combat pilot who was killing more experienced combat pilots then Luke left and right (7 by my count). And Luke just flies around for a second or two until Han can save his ass. He didn't get to make his run until at least two other squads got blown to hell making their attempt and they were completely out of time. Luke was literally the bottom of the barrel at this point. As stated before, Luke knew how to fly a T-16 Skyhopper, who's controls are supposed to be very similar to an X-Wing. In fact, in a deleted scene in ANH (restored in the Special Editions, I believe) Biggs vouches for Luke's ability. And in the radio play, there is a scene where he flies a simulation to prove his ability. Plus, Rey's Sue-ness comes not from almost faceplanting, but by stunts like flying through the superstructure of a Star Destroyer and such unscathed despite NEVER flying the Falcon before. Even in simulations. Umm, Vader had Luke dead to rights. Biggs DIED holding off Vader, Wedge was forced to pull out. Artoo was nearly fried. Vader noted the Force was strong with Luke, but that's it. Han saved Luke's bacon (again). Heck Luke was carried by EVERYONE in that movie at some point. It's not like he beat Vader in a lightsaber duel and gave him a scar he carried for the rest of the trilogy or anything...
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 5, 2020 22:26:43 GMT
I don't want to be one of these people, I hate it that ya'll have driven me to thus...but because of the stupid criticism against Rey the whole final battle was hard to watch and annoying. Let's see: I can understand the desperation of putting a warm body in a cockpit even without experience...but then the squad leader puts him in charge of an attack run on said first mission, he demonstrates a brief struggle when he almost plows into the death star...but does not really have any issues from there (Rey meanwhile bounces the Falcon off the ground and gets called a Sue for it).
And of course the icing on the cake he is able to hold off Vader by tying into the Force after a five minute pep talk by Obi-Wan while Vader is regarded as a terrific combat pilot who was killing more experienced combat pilots then Luke left and right (7 by my count). And Luke just flies around for a second or two until Han can save his ass.
This isn't the same thing dude. Vader was searching for his offspring for years... He finally meets him in a trench going attack speed in a fighter & spares him momentarily (as he does several other times in ep. 5 & 6) because he intends to turn him and use him to kill Sheev. He can then rule the Galaxy as Father & son. Everything Luke does is SET UP by struggling and then guidance by a Jedi Master, which makes it satisfying and logical in the end. Ben/Kylo & Rey are perfect strangers until they have their Di$ney-princess kiss, even then they aren't a couple. There's ZERO reason for him to "go easy" on her or some shit. His injury would have made him STRONGER in the Dark side, not weaken him, so they reason he lost to her at the end of ep 7 is simply because identity politics & 3rd-wave Feminism is more important to Lucasfilm now than a coherent, logical plot. They cannot bear to have Ma-Rey Sue have ANY flaws or weaknesses at all, even if they were to serve and IMPROVE the overall character arc. Saying Luke is a fanfic mary sue is about as true as saying Palpatine's return is smart & makes sense. It is very obviously false to even a casual film-goer You were relenting a bit a few pages back, now you're being obstinate again, moving the goalposts & tossing strawmen around. It's a shame
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2020 22:32:05 GMT
I don't want to be one of these people, I hate it that ya'll have driven me to thus...but because of the stupid criticism against Rey the whole final battle was hard to watch and annoying. Let's see: I can understand the desperation of putting a warm body in a cockpit even without experience...but then the squad leader puts him in charge of an attack run on said first mission, he demonstrates a brief struggle when he almost plows into the death star...but does not really have any issues from there (Rey meanwhile bounces the Falcon off the ground and gets called a Sue for it).
And of course the icing on the cake he is able to hold off Vader by tying into the Force after a five minute pep talk by Obi-Wan while Vader is regarded as a terrific combat pilot who was killing more experienced combat pilots then Luke left and right (7 by my count). And Luke just flies around for a second or two until Han can save his ass.
This isn't the same thing dude. Vader was searching for his offspring for years... He finally meets him in a trench going attack speed in a fighter & spares him momentarily (as he does several other times in ep. 5 & 6) because he intends to turn him and use him to kill Sheev. He can then rule the Galaxy as Father & son. Everything Luke does is SET UP by struggling and then guidance by a Jedi Master, which makes it satisfying and logical in the end. Ben/Kylo & Rey are perfect strangers until they have their Di$ney-princess kiss, even then they aren't a couple. There's ZERO reason for him to "go easy" on her or some shit. His injury would have made him STRONGER in the Dark side, not weaken him, so they reason he lost to her at the end of ep 7 is simply because identity politics & 3rd-wave Feminism is more important to Lucasfilm now than a coherent, logical plot. They cannot bear to have Ma-Rey Sue have ANY flaws or weaknesses at all, even if they were to serve and IMPROVE the overall character arc. Saying Luke is a fanfic mary sue is about as true as saying Palpatine's return is smart & makes sense. It is very obviously false to even a casual film-goer You were relenting a bit a few pages back, now you're being obstinate again, moving the goalposts & tossing strawmen around. It's a shame I never said Luke was a Sue. He's the least sueish of the three honestly. He didn't know Luke was his son there so he had no reason to go easy on him either meanwhile Ren was under specific orders to bring Rey to Snoke, giving him a reason to go easy on her.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 6, 2020 3:41:10 GMT
Ah what the hell lets see if we get any answers to this question here. Which Star Wars character does everyone relate to the most? Not the one that they like the most but the one they think most matches their personality, morality, or life experiences? I think everyone knows mine.
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Post by masterwarderz on Apr 6, 2020 5:12:32 GMT
o.o Probably Canderous Ordo in his later years, an older man in a younger man's occupation mostly being held together via armor, surgeries and experience more than actual given ability.
My prime was a decade ago, I've reached the shelf life of most soldiers and it's showing dramatically but due to my experience and training I'm in demand still due to that and my knowledge gleaned from doing this shit for almost two decades.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 6, 2020 15:49:04 GMT
Ah what the hell lets see if we get any answers to this question here. Which Star Wars character does everyone relate to the most? Not the one that they like the most but the one they think most matches their personality, morality, or life experiences? Sheev, because Evil is a point of view
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Post by Iakus on Apr 6, 2020 16:56:43 GMT
Ah what the hell lets see if we get any answers to this question here. Which Star Wars character does everyone relate to the most? Not the one that they like the most but the one they think most matches their personality, morality, or life experiences? I think everyone knows mine.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 7, 2020 0:56:46 GMT
Ah what the hell lets see if we get any answers to this question here. Which Star Wars character does everyone relate to the most? Not the one that they like the most but the one they think most matches their personality, morality, or life experiences? I think everyone knows mine. vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/b6/Admiral_Motti.png
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Post by colfoley on Apr 7, 2020 7:01:17 GMT
Just finished the first episode of Rebels...like watching the last little bit as I type this and...
Well for all the problems this show had (and there are many, it wasn't as good as Clone Wars!) the first little opening scene between Vader and the first Inquisitor was almost perfectly written. They introduce pretty much everything about, at least the first season, in one very tight scene. The main badguy for season one, The Inqisitor, the whole thing the two sides were trying to fight over...the Children of the Force...and then it flips to Ezra which, given that they have been doing this a LOT in Episodes 7-9, we can recognize that he is going to be one of the Children they talk about.
Ezra also gives off serious Alladin vibes...
Its nice to go back and watch these from the beginning knowing where the character arcs wind up and its nice to see that Hera and Kanan (probably the show's two best characters honestly), already have really good 'healthy relationship' vibes. They fight but its more in the vain of playful banter and they already have a great friendship going.
Ah Sabine...I am going to have to put up with you being dull, boring, maybe even vaguly sueish and uninteresting for what...the next two and a half seasons or something? Before you get that rather cool character arc and turns into actually a very well rounded out character. It is kind of cute though how smitten Ezra is...
The biggest flaw of this show is just how much of a joke the Empire became...at least aside from Thrawn. I mean the Empire always has been more or less the Galaxy's punching bag anyways (First Order ftw.) But the level of kiddy incompetence is just cringe...yes kids show I know.
Oh look Ezra just did an obviously Force assisted somersault over a Stormtrooper. Wonder where he learned that from...
OMG KANAN JARUS BAD ASS BAD GUY I JUST GUSH OVER THE REVEAL OF HIM BEING A JEDI...Freddy Prinz is, surprisingly, always a win and Kanan is just a terrific character.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 7, 2020 21:37:19 GMT
Lulz. Quick, someone make this canon!
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Post by colfoley on Apr 7, 2020 21:53:57 GMT
they found a really good capture for this, though I'm not surprised since she is a pretty expressive actress.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 7, 2020 23:58:05 GMT
Probably my favorite moments of TCW Season 7 so far.
And thanks to Anakin, Wrecker did manage to top Crosshairs
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Post by Iakus on Apr 8, 2020 16:12:57 GMT
Having finally seen it for myself, I can say that no it is not worse than The Last Dumpster Fire. Rise of Palpatine is a much more highly polished turd.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 8, 2020 17:42:03 GMT
OMG, this was hilarious. To hear all the things that made no sense, or were just pulled out of thin air just made me shake my head. I thought there were already a lot, and he mentioned some that I didn't catch on the first viewing. Then that makes you think of more he didn't even say. He laughs at how Kylo finds a functioning tie fighter on the death star wreckage and finds his way back to exegul with no wayfinder. But OT tie fighters didn't even have hyperdrives IIRC. So how did he get there?
My favorite part was when he said Rey is so OP, she makes all these Jedi that wasted years of their lives training look like idiots.
Having said all that, TROS still was not worse than TLJ. Main reason is that everything in TROS went to serve the plot and the overall narrative. All the things pulled from left field to keep the story going, all the macguffins one after the other, the new OP force powers. All these serve to keep the story moving.
In the last Jedi however, the Canto Bight section serves nothing. If you take it out, the story doesn't suffer at all. No one loses any character development, and the overall narrative doesn't change one bit. I mean, if you have one overachieving ensign on a First Order ship say they were running a deep scan searching for escape pods, you replace the entire outcome of that part of the movie. Then, to make it worse, the one character that was introduced through that section is relegated to the bench in the last movie. That section just wasted time that could have been better spent on actual character development for established characters.
Plus the whole slowly chasing the resistance ships for a day was ridiculous as well. Just call ships to come out of hyperspace ahead of them and cut them off. Plus, if the resistance ships were lighter and faster they would pull away eventually. Give a faster runner a 20M head start on a slower runner, one day later they still won't be just 20M ahead.
Whether you agree with how Luke was portrayed or not, pretty much none of the way the movie was done made any sense.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 8, 2020 17:42:42 GMT
Well, you know what they say..... "polish a turd, it's still a turd."
And I may be in the minority here (and I'm not saying that each of the sequel trilogy films doesn't have their respectie problems- they do) but in spite of those problems, I like them. I don't necessarily agree with the label of "The last of the Skywalker Saga" (as far as I'm concerned the skywalker saga was told with Ep. 1-6, it was a story of essentially the Rise, Fame, Fall and Redemption of Anakin Skywalker. It began with his life as a young boy, told the story of his adventures and service to the Jedi Order and then his fall from grace as he turned to the Dark side.....only to be redeemed by his son. It concluded with his killing the Emperor- thereby destroying the Sith and fulfilling the prophecy, and finally his death having returned to the Light side). The character ark was told in full, as Vader said "The Circle is now complete."
The sequel trilogy (while enjoyable in their own rights) was not needed to complete the over-arching story of the Skywalker family. They (7-9) were completed, as far as I can see, because Disney wanted to continue to tell new adventures with their purchase of Lucasfilm (which is fine). But in my mind that is what they are: New adventures with new characters. They may have some call backs, cameos and threads with the original characters (because hey, why not..? It's fun to do) but the stories could have been told without them because the new trilogies focused on new characters (Rey, Finn, Poe...even Kylo Ren etc).
Now (again, this is just my own opinion) I don't think JJ Abrams is necessarily a "good Director". Flashy--yes. Imaginative-- yes. A good collaborator and communicator, yes. A passionate star wars fan himself, sure. And I like all of those qualities about him. But I wouldn't go as far as calling him a 'good director'. One thing is certain, he has gained celebrity and notoriety through his hyped-up creation/direction of things like ALIAS and LOST...But that has merely served to thrust him into the limelight and the center of Hollywood attention because both shows were well received. Yet I don't think that is a qualifier for being a truly 'good Director'. I also don't like his over-use of blinding lights and lens flares as VFX (the opening scenes of the 2009 STAR TREK movie are a great example. That actually gave me a migraine the first time I watched it because the lighting and flares were SO BRIGHT). Even now on blu-ray I have to close my eyes at that part and wait until that scene is near over because the flares, sun spots and blinding lights are just too much. JJ Abrams has the nickname "Mr. Lens Flare" for a reason. And other than Episode 8 (which I enjoy though suffers from pacing problems and its own kind of ADD), I do not like Rian Johnson as a Director. Looper was absolutely stupid.
In my mind when I think of someone you would actually call a "good director", two names that immediately come to mind for me are James Cameron and Steven Spielberg.
While Episode VII made some interesting points (ie we wondered about Snoke, and Rey's family....Both of which could have been told in very different and creative ways, other than what they ended up being.), Johnson with Ep 8 basically said to JJ (and fans) "Screw your set-up, nuts to your theories, imaginations and what you want. I'm not even touching what has already been laid down in 40 years of Canon by Lucas)...EVERYTHING is going out the window (on a trajectory towards the dumpster?) and I'm just gonna do my own thing. Make it up as a go along for whatever suits the plot.)"
And that is exactly what he did. Now, in doing that (ugh fine, he really had to I guess), even Johnson managed to create some interesting teases, some thread points that could have gone somewhere creative if he had someone who actually ran with them. But then JJ comes back for Ep 9 (slaps Johnson in the Daddybags) and dismisses everything he (Johnson) just did, and continues on writing his own story as if none of 8 actually happened. Abrams wrote 9 as a follow-up to his own previous installment, but even then didn't really tie the two odd-numbered films together. Even though Abrams did both 7 and 9, those two films have an incongruity to them and even as book-ends they don't seem to fit. They're like puzzles pieces that don't quite fit together. They look the same, all the holes appear to be the same shape, but no matter how you turn them they just don't fit snugly and seamlessly together. There is still gaps. And for the characters of Rey, Finn and Poe.....It's unfortunate, but much of the gaps (read relationship building) have taken place off-screen and/or in other forms of media.....which for the purpose of building a movie trilogy does not serve well.
In short, I feel that while each movie is good on its own...especially because of the change in Directors, the three movies as a whole have wildly different stories that are not connected, they have their own pacing (and pacing problems.....8 was brutally slow in parts, while 9 was frenetic from start to finish) and I feel that if they were going to be made at all, Disney should have had 1 person do all three. Then also, they should have invested in writers who could write a cohesive and coherent story that makes sense and has consistency across all three movies.
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