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Looks like Rey isn't above committing insurance fraud. 😆 Mr Winkle Face would be so proud. 😆😆
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 11, 2021 3:56:15 GMT
Eh, I think only if she gets a Clone Wars style rehabilitation the way Anakin’s character did
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 11, 2021 4:18:14 GMT
Darth Vader has always been a fan favorite. Just saying. True, but Anakin "I Hate Sand" Skywalker took a little while. And The Clone Wars.
Saying this as a Reylo shipper who generally likes Rey, btw. I felt TFA actually set her up nicely, if you assume that her skill level jump is an intentional plot point (and if you examine the moves used in the Kylo/Rey fight in the end, you can argue it was hinting at their Force Bond and she was leeching his skill unconsciously; which I did, before TLJ even came out. lol). Rey was a plucky orphan who wanted a place to belong and had a hopeful spirit despite her circumstances. I very much liked that movie. They also hadn't ruined Finn and Poe's characters, yet.
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I liked Rey’s premise, and I liked the setup and the actress they chose, but they screwed it up right in the first movie by doing way too much. The moment she used the suggestive powers of the force to free herself, it was all over, and that’s putting aside the Millennium Falcon hijinks on Jakuu.
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Post by officerdonnz on Mar 11, 2021 7:09:20 GMT
Ever wondered what David Prowse sounded like as Darth Vader? Wonder no more.
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 11, 2021 8:54:30 GMT
Yeah it was still coming down from the "darker and edgier" age of late '90s comics (where super heroes dressed in black leather and were all tormented souls) But Cade Skywalker > Emo Ren as far as a Skywalker scion caught between the Dark and the Light Sides. [snip] I always liked Cade's character and the fact that he hated his Skywalker bloodline. He is a bit old to be an angsty teen, true, but then again his parents are some of the strangest persons in the galaxy. And yes, Cade beats Ren easily, which is kind of sad too, because Kylo at least got a semblance of a character arc.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 11, 2021 16:08:21 GMT
Ever wondered what David Prowse sounded like as Darth Vader? Wonder no more. *crosses the street, avoiding eye-contact* Some things I would rather leave to the imagination. Just watching parts of that clip again, that is an insanely slow-moving spaceship, let alone one designed to fly fast enough to jump dimensions. I'm no rocket scientist, no idea if jet thrusters exist that can propel you so slowly and still keep you in the air. But it fundamentally annoys me to see a ship like that apparently fly slower than a car for no reason except to set up a 'cool' moment. On top of the fact that only God knows what Ryan figured Kylo's motivation to be for attempting to flatten Rey against his windshield all of a sudden after doggedly trying to recruit her for two and a half movies. Same with Leia's scene in The Last Jedi. The "Mary Poppins" thing didn't bother me at all compared to the fact that the scene plays as if the Resistance flagship is standing perfectly still in space, when in fact it's a spaceship currently burning fuel fleeing from another fleet of spaceships, meaning that it's actually accelerating unless they suddenly decided to burn even more fuel to suddenly decelerate and stop the ship so fast it would liquify the organs of everyone onboard. Leia should have been several miles behind them by the time she opens her eyes and remembers that she used to be a main character, and to reach the hatch she would have had to not only be able to fly, but to fly at incredible speed just to keep up with the ship.
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Post by skekSil on Mar 11, 2021 17:07:50 GMT
Just watching parts of that clip again, that is an insanely slow-moving spaceship, let alone one designed to fly fast enough to jump dimensions. I'm no rocket scientist, no idea if jet thrusters exist that can propel you so slowly and still keep you in the air. But it fundamentally annoys me to see a ship like that apparently fly slower than a car for no reason except to set up a 'cool' moment. On top of the fact that only God knows what Ryan figured Kylo's motivation to be for attempting to flatten Rey against his windshield all of a sudden after doggedly trying to recruit her for two and a half movies. Same with Leia's scene in The Last Jedi. The "Mary Poppins" thing didn't bother me at all compared to the fact that the scene plays as if the Resistance flagship is standing perfectly still in space, when in fact it's a spaceship currently burning fuel fleeing from another fleet of spaceships, meaning that it's actually accelerating unless they suddenly decided to burn even more fuel to suddenly decelerate and stop the ship so fast it would liquify the organs of everyone onboard. Leia should have been several miles behind them by the time she opens her eyes and remembers that she used to be a main character, and to reach the hatch she would have had to not only be able to fly, but to fly at incredible speed just to keep up with the ship.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 11, 2021 17:43:03 GMT
Nope. Those aren't science nitpicks, they're both story-related. My high-school-equivalent physics textbook didn't say that Kylo's schizophrenia made him randomly try to kill people he explicitly wanted on his team for no reason, or that the Raddus being in the world's most boring high-speed chase is the only storyline in The Last Jedi that goes literally anywhere at all, except for those scenes when it suddenly isn't for no reason. J.J. and Ryan did. Besides, those garbage moments have never prevented me from enjoying the parts of any given work that are actually worth enjoying, so I don't get this strange idea that noticing and commenting on flaws in something is automatically the same as working yourself up and preventing yourself from seeing the virtues it does have. Is that a real thing to you? I mean, you must have things the issues of which you could talk about forever, but which you still had at least some good moments with, right? I can't imagine that you don't. So I don't understand why people get so weird when others notice and comment on problems in something they personally didn't, and just so happened to enjoy. There's nothing wrong with liking something that's complete trash, let alone something that just has a bunch of trashy elements. There is, however, something wrong with lying or gaslighting people in order to pretend that it isn't trash just because you personally like it.
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Post by skekSil on Mar 12, 2021 0:16:46 GMT
Those aren't science nitpicks, they're both story-related. It adresses any nitpicking in general, not just science nitpicks.TLJ has many issues with its plot but these things you mentioned are just nitpicks. noticing and commenting on flaws in something is automatically the same as working yourself up and preventing yourself from seeing the virtues it does have. Not automatically, but judging from your post you are working yourself up. You are, after all, 'fundamentally annoyed' by an inconsequential scene made only to look cool - nothing in the plot of a movie would have changed if it didnt simply exist. There's nothing wrong with liking something that's complete trash, let alone something that just has a bunch of trashy elements. There is, however, something wrong with lying or gaslighting people in order to pretend that it isn't trash just because you personally like it. Whether a movie is trash or not is not a fact but a matter of opinion. There isnt even a majority consensus on TLJ being good or bad. Pretending that opinion is fact is wishful thinking at best.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 12, 2021 1:15:38 GMT
1) It adresses any nitpicking in general, not just science nitpicks.TLJ has many issues with its plot but these things you mentioned are just nitpicks. 2) Not automatically, but judging from your post you are working yourself up. You are, after all, 'fundamentally annoyed' by an inconsequential scene made only to look cool - nothing in the plot of a movie would have changed if it didnt simply exist. 3) Whether a movie is trash or not is not a fact but a matter of opinion. There isnt even a majority consensus on TLJ being good or bad. Pretending that opinion is fact is wishful thinking at best. 1) Please look up the definition of 'nitpicking'. It refers to fussy and pedantic fault-finding. Things happening on the screen that directly contradict the story, and main characters acting completely against their own interests for no reason, are not pedantic. They are problems. Would it be nitpicking to take issue if Luke had just off-handedly tried to cut Vader's head off while he was in the middle of trying to turn him to the light in Return of the Jedi, and the story just otherwise carried on as if it wasn't weird or strange at all? Would it be nitpicky to comment on it if, during Anakin's crash landing on Coruscant, one long shot showed the ship floating gracefully outside the planet's atmosphere with no apparent downward momentum in between two other shots that both had it nosediving straight through the clouds? 2) Now look up the definition of 'annoyed', and note that it refers to being 'slightly angry or irritated'. English isn't my first language, but after speaking it for twenty years or so I'm pretty certain that 'being slightly angry or irritated' and 'working yourself up', let alone getting enraged beyond reason at something, are different levels of agitation. Am I wrong about this? Please tell me if I am. I like to choose words that reflect more or less what I actually mean so people don't have to make weird guesses and get the wrong idea. 3) I wouldn't say so at all. Whether you like a movie, or some part of a movie, is a subjective thing. But you can definitely have a more or less objective discussion about components of the movie like story cohesiveness, special effects, music, acting quality and screenwriting, and compare them across the medium. The reason there isn't a consensus on whether TLJ, or more specifically TLJ's story, is good or bad is that the people who think it's good by and large are absolutely refusing to have that conversation, either because they know where it'll end and don't like it or because they subjectively like the story so much that they'll make up anything they have to to avoid admitting that it objectively sucks ass. Which annoys me especially because there are at least a few things TLJ deserves credit for. But because people won't stop throwing perfume on the steaming pile of shit that is the story, that steaming pile of shit is what all the discussion ends up being about, and people get the impression that that's all anybody wants to talk about. It's like calling the sky green because you felt like calling it green that day and then complaining about everybody being oh so damn focused on arguing about the color of the sky all of a sudden when they disagree with you.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 12, 2021 19:33:40 GMT
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Post by skekSil on Mar 12, 2021 20:25:48 GMT
Please look up the definition of 'nitpicking'. It refers to fussy and pedantic fault-finding. Yes, thats prety much what, I think, you were doing. Things happening on the screen that directly contradict the story, and main characters acting completely against their own interests for no reason, are not pedantic. I should have clarified that I consider nitpicking your points about speed of Kylo's fighter and Leia keeping up with cruiser, kylo's motivation to run over Rei can indeed be consifdered problematic IMO. As I said these two episodes were maid to look cool and dont affect story that much. Now dont get me wrong, your points are correct from what I remember about TLJ I just think they dont warrant any attention. Its like complaining about 'Comando' when Arnold Schwarzenegger was able single-handedly wipe out entire army on island. Now look up the definition of 'annoyed' Im looking at definition of 'fundamental' - serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function;of or relating to essential structure, function, or facts; of central importance. But you can definitely have a more or less objective discussion about components of the movie like story cohesiveness, special effects, music, acting quality and screenwriting, and compare them across the medium. These components are subjective too. And which components are more important than others is also subject to opinion. The reason there isn't a consensus on whether TLJ, or more specifically TLJ's story, is good or bad is that the people who think it's good by and large are absolutely refusing to have that conversation, either because they know where it'll end and don't like it or because they subjectively like the story so much that they'll make up anything they have to to avoid admitting that it objectively sucks ass. Or maybe because they think that their opponents are usually toxic and/or argue in bad faith.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 13, 2021 0:13:41 GMT
Please look up the definition of 'nitpicking'. It refers to fussy and pedantic fault-finding. Yes, thats prety much what, I think, you were doing. Things happening on the screen that directly contradict the story, and main characters acting completely against their own interests for no reason, are not pedantic. I should have clarified that I consider nitpicking your points about speed of Kylo's fighter and Leia keeping up with cruiser, kylo's motivation to run over Rei can indeed be consifdered problematic IMO. As I said these two episodes were maid to look cool and dont affect story that much. Now dont get me wrong, your points are correct from what I remember about TLJ I just think they dont warrant any attention. Its like complaining about 'Comando' when Arnold Schwarzenegger was able single-handedly wipe out entire army on island. Now look up the definition of 'annoyed' Im looking at definition of 'fundamental' - serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function;of or relating to essential structure, function, or facts; of central importance. But you can definitely have a more or less objective discussion about components of the movie like story cohesiveness, special effects, music, acting quality and screenwriting, and compare them across the medium. These components are subjective too. And which components are more important than others is also subject to opinion. The reason there isn't a consensus on whether TLJ, or more specifically TLJ's story, is good or bad is that the people who think it's good by and large are absolutely refusing to have that conversation, either because they know where it'll end and don't like it or because they subjectively like the story so much that they'll make up anything they have to to avoid admitting that it objectively sucks ass. Or maybe because they think that their opponents are usually toxic and/or argue in bad faith. So what you're ultimately saying is that you personally just don't feel like those things warrant any attention. Wow. Thank you so much for clarifying that. I'll go back to my earlier point about how much less energy would be spent on the negatives of these movies if people didn't start panicking and clutching their pearls every time someone offhandedly pointed out a flaw instead of just accepting that something about the movie sucks and moving on, in lieu of valid counterarguments. 'Fundamental' can mean something like 'of primary importance'. It can also simply mean 'underlying' or 'basic'. 'Annoyed' specifically means 'slightly angry'. One trumps the other. Next time I'll just say 'annoying on a fundamental level' if that helps you. And no, opinions on those components can be dissected and discussed and compared. It just, you know, takes a bit of honest conversation about them, and people having to explain what they mean and what they're basing it on. Shocking, I know. And if one side of an argument is willing to put those things forth and the other side isn't then I don't care what excuses or insane dehumanizing accusations or suspicions they think they have, they've definitely surrendered the argument. Frankly, I can't imagine respecting the opinion of someone who would unironically call or consider other human beings toxic, let alone over disagreements about a movie or a game. Could there even be a greater testament to closemindedness and immaturity than that? And between the people pointing out and analyzing the things that happen on the screen, and the people making things that don't happen on the screen up to try to excuse and avoid admitting to what happens on the screen, I definitely know which I'd say were arguing in bad faith. And guess what? I'm still open to discussions with them.
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Post by skekSil on Mar 13, 2021 19:58:41 GMT
'Fundamental' can mean something like 'of primary importance'. It can also simply mean 'underlying' or 'basic'. 'Annoyed' specifically means 'slightly angry'. One trumps the other. Next time I'll just say 'annoying on a fundamental level' if that helps you. So, what does it mean to be 'slightly annoyed on basic/underlying level'? Is there anyone in the audience who can clear this up for me? So what you're ultimately saying is that you personally just don't feel like those things warrant any attention. Wow. Thank you so much for clarifying that. You shared your opinion I shared mine. Shocking, I know. I'll go back to my earlier point about how much less energy would be spent on the negatives of these movies if people didn't start panicking and clutching their pearls every time someone offhandedly pointed out a flaw instead of just accepting that something about the movie sucks and moving on, in lieu of valid counterarguments. What counterarguments? I AGREED with you in my previous post that these 'problems' technically exist. My point always was that they are insignificant and people who pay attention to such 'problems' should relax. I even made a comparison to 'Comando' movie which you chose to ignore. Frankly, I can't imagine respecting the opinion of someone who would unironically call or consider other human beings toxic, let alone over disagreements about a movie or a game. Could there even be a greater testament to closemindedness and immaturity than that? And between the people pointing out and analyzing the things that happen on the screen, and the people making things that don't happen on the screen up to try to excuse and avoid admitting to what happens on the screen, I definitely know which I'd say were arguing in bad faith. And guess what? I'm still open to discussions with them. Well then, its a good thing I didnt call you toxic. I was, after all, giving an example of reason for some TLJ fans to refuse discussions as a way to disprove your false dichotomy about their motivation to do so. I hope this didn't cause any misunderstandings.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 14, 2021 11:06:08 GMT
1) So, what does it mean to be 'slightly annoyed on basic/underlying level'? Is there anyone in the audience who can clear this up for me? 2) You shared your opinion I shared mine. Shocking, I know. 3) What counterarguments? I AGREED with you in my previous post that these 'problems' technically exist. My point always was that they are insignificant and people who pay attention to such 'problems' should relax. I even made a comparison to 'Comando' movie which you chose to ignore. 4) Well then, its a good thing I didnt call you toxic. I was, after all, giving an example of reason for some TLJ fans to refuse discussions as a way to disprove your false dichotomy about their motivation to do so. I hope this didn't cause any misunderstandings. 1) It means that seeing a cool spaceship slowing to the speed of a car annoys something fundamental in me. That's it. That's all I was saying. For your benefit, let me now add 'but not so much that I flew into a blind rage and condemned everything else in the movie because of it', as if one thing automatically implies the other. 2) No, you didn't. I commented on something in a video clip because I damn well felt like it, and then you responded first with a video implying, and then arguments saying, that my thoughts are irrelevant and that I shouldn't say them. That's not exchanging opinions. In what world is that exchanging opinions? Why exactly do you think you get an opinion on what issues in a movie I should or should not consider worth commenting on? 3) Yes, and my point is that you feeling that those problems are insignificant is in itself insignificant to me, whereas if you'd had valid arguments for why those problems aren't what I think they are then that might actually have been worth discussing. Commando doesn't help your point. It would have been a better movie if the director had paid more attention to making it look plausible for Arnold to clear that island and made his adversaries look less incompetent. And as with TLJ and TROS, that fact also doesn't negate whatever virtues the movie does have, or one's ability to enjoy them. And crucially unlike TLJ or TROS, people have been pointing out that Commando's action is a bit silly for thirty-five years. And you know what? If they hadn't then action movies today would still look that ridiculous. Don't know about you, but I'd like to have cohesive movies back sometime this century. It sounds like you just don't like people paying attention to the minutia in movies you otherwise like. Sorry to tell you, but that's really none of your business. And I imagine that if I was one of the directors who took pains to create movies where the action and story mostly make sense from top to bottom because I cared about doing things right and respecting the craft and the audience's intelligence then I'd be giving you something of a stink-eye over it. 4) You mean you said that they might just consider others poisonous for disagreeing with them about a movie, or figure that people who disagree with them are probably doing so duplicitously? Yeah, you really disproved my "false dichotomy" about people having garbage reasons for avoiding in-depth discussion there. And I didn't accuse you of anything, there's no need to get defensive.
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Post by skekSil on Mar 14, 2021 19:34:11 GMT
1) It means that seeing a cool spaceship slowing to the speed of a car annoys something fundamental in me. That's it. That's all I was saying. For your benefit, let me now add 'but not so much that I flew into a blind rage and condemned everything else in the movie because of it', as if one thing automatically implies the other. This part of discussion has become pointless as the rest has moved on long ago. I can only suggest that you dont use 'funamentally annoying' as it is really confusing what you mean by that. And also, IMHO, even simple annoyance is an overreaction to two points in question. No, you didn't. I commented on something in a video clip because I damn well felt like it, and I shared my opinion that it is not worth being annoyed about and you should relax, as in take a deep breath and stop being annoyed its not a big deal. Im sorry if it upset you. Why exactly do you think you get an opinion on what issues in a movie I should or should not consider worth commenting on? I get to have an opinion on whatever I please, same goes for you. But if you share your opinion online dont be surprised that people disagree with you. 3) Yes, and my point is that you feeling that those problems are insignificant is in itself insignificant to me, whereas if you'd had valid arguments for why those problems aren't what I think they are then that might actually have been worth discussing. My argument is - if a 'problematic' point does not take up significant amount of time in a movie, does not seriously internal logic of a movie and (this part is very important) is there to make a scene it is part of to work then it is probably not a big deal. All movies have breaks from realism especially sci-fi movies, including OT Star Wars. It would have been a better movie if the director had paid more attention to making it look plausible for Arnold to clear that island and made his adversaries look less incompetent. Its impossible for a single guy to defeat an entire army. And would Commando really be a better movie if it was more realistic and didnt have other scenes like Arnie jumping out of a plane, ripping out a seat out of a car, holding a guy by his leg or impaling Bennet with a steam pipe? Because I think without them it would be a generic forgettable action flick. You mean you said that they might just consider others poisonous for disagreeing with them about a movie, or figure that people who disagree with them are probably doing so duplicitously? I meant they've seen enough of toxic sequel hater to simply not bother anymore. Inductive reasoning you know. Yeah, you really disproved my "false dichotomy" about people having garbage reasons for avoiding in-depth discussion there Yes I did. You presented a problem: why do people who like TLJ refuse to discuss it? And you present an answer to it: ' either because they know where it'll end and don't like it or because they subjectively like the story so much that they'll make up anything they have to to avoid admitting that it objectively sucks ass.' 'Either...or...' structure implies that these answers are the only possible ones. All I have to do to prove that it is a false dichotomy is to show that at least one other answer exists. There might be numerous other reasons. To prove your point that all reasons to avoid discussions make sequel fans look bad you must provide an actual exhoustive list of all possible motivations and then explain how every one of them makes sequel fans look bad. And I didn't accuse you of anything, there's no need to get defensive. I didnt accuse you of accusing me either, where did that come from?
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