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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 10, 2021 9:45:17 GMT
Wrong color for the saberstaff but good picture besides. It was red when he got it I can't blame the artist because iirc Kun still having a blue saber all throughout the official artwork in ToTJ was an oversight.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 10, 2021 10:30:37 GMT
Wrong color for the saberstaff but good picture besides. It was red when he got it If thats Exar Kun in the picture, he never "got" a saberstaff. He converted his conventional saber into a doublebladed one. A blue one with a short hilt.
For those of you with physical copies of "tales of the jedi, volume 2, look on page 277 and 278.
This but i think warderz just refers to all dual bladed sabers as staffs. Here's a link for those who don't own the books, BUT be warned. It's Disney's/Marvel's reprint of the original Dark Horse publication. Disney's/Marvel's version is desaturated to hell and back and is lacking in detail. readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-Tales-of-the-Jedi-The-Sith-War/Issue-3?id=79812Kun's dual phase saber.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 10, 2021 13:33:05 GMT
What about Satile Shan? She is known to have a blue-bladed staff.....
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 10, 2021 15:03:54 GMT
What about Satile Shan? She is known to have a blue-bladed staff..... Satele and Maul both use saberstaffs too. To further add to the debate about the classification of Exar Kun's dual-bladed saber that had a shorter hilt than the other models, I concede that i'm just splitting hairs on the classification of Kun's saber because it could still be argued to be a lightstaff due to there being no unique classification for dual-bladed sabers with regular length hafts while by contrast sabers with longer hafts than Maul's blade, sabers with detachable grips or ones that could rotate have received specific classifications. One more thing, i finished reading Attack on Titan's final chapter, and it's conclusion is a bigger shitshow than Disney's handling of the sequel trilogy. Never before have i seen an ending that retroactively added so many plotholes, and then there's the terrible dialogue.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 10, 2021 15:31:52 GMT
Yes, I stand corrected on the spelling...thank you. I knew of the character but I have never played TOR so I wasn't exactly sure. Glad to see you knew whom I meant regardless of the spelling error I always liked both satele and Bastila. Admittedly, I was always intrigued by Kreia when I played KOTOR II...and though it made sense story-wise for her to be an enemy in the end...it was a bit of a let down too, because I actually liked her character and I felt she had a good relationship with Meetra Surik. Another of my favourite characters from KOTOR is Jolee Bindo.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 10, 2021 16:39:08 GMT
What about Satile Shan? She is known to have a blue-bladed staff..... Satele and Maul both use saberstaffs too. To further add to the debate about the classification of Exar Kun's dual-bladed saber that had a shorter hilt than the other models, I concede that i'm just splitting hairs on the classification of Kun's saber because it could still be argued to be a lightstaff due to there being no unique classification for dual-bladed sabers with regular length hafts while by contrast sabers with longer hafts than Maul's blade, sabers with detachable grips or ones that could rotate have received specific classifications. Well, Exar Kun's was modified from a single-bladed lightsaber. Maul and Shan's were most likely constructed with two blades in mind from the start.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 10, 2021 16:57:01 GMT
One more thing, i finished reading Attack on Titan's final chapter, and it's conclusion is a bigger shitshow than Disney's handling of the sequel trilogy. Never before have i seen an ending that retroactively added so many plotholes, and then there's the terrible dialogue. It was hilariously bad, and this from someone who thought the past three years (since Eren’s attack on Liberio) was terrible.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 10, 2021 19:04:19 GMT
Satele and Maul both use saberstaffs too. To further add to the debate about the classification of Exar Kun's dual-bladed saber that had a shorter hilt than the other models, I concede that i'm just splitting hairs on the classification of Kun's saber because it could still be argued to be a lightstaff due to there being no unique classification for dual-bladed sabers with regular length hafts while by contrast sabers with longer hafts than Maul's blade, sabers with detachable grips or ones that could rotate have received specific classifications. Well, Exar Kun's was modified from a single-bladed lightsaber. Maule and Shan's were most likely constructed with two blades in mind from the start. Agreed. What bothers me is that Kun's saber is still classified as a saberstaff despite it's short haft, and logically should have it's own classification because it's combat application should be different from a regular saberstaff's like a saber pike. One more thing, i finished reading Attack on Titan's final chapter, and it's conclusion is a bigger shitshow than Disney's handling of the sequel trilogy. Never before have i seen an ending that retroactively added so many plotholes, and then there's the terrible dialogue. It was hilariously bad, and this from someone who thought the past three years (since Eren’s attack on Liberio) was terrible. The story nosedived hard after they retrieved Eren's father's journal from his old house's basement. About Lberio i love it how Isayama wasted so many chapters on building up the lore on Marley which went nowhere while Eren's acquisition of the Warhammer Titan played no part in the rumbling. You can cut out the Tybur family and WH titan from the story, and the plot wouldn't be significantly impacted. Then there's Eren's ability to manipulate the past which is cleary copied from ASoIAF's Bran's warging ability, and his manipulation of the past to achieve his desired outcome was clearly copied from Dr. Strange seeking that one timeline where Thanos is defeated, which is evident after Isayama expressed his enjoyment of both GoT, and Avengers. Then there's the suspect similarties to Code Geass. The inconsistent explanations given to justify how Eren could access the founding Titan's powers (royal blood). The no limit's fallacy behind the limitations of his powers of time perception and manipulation.
Historia only having 1 page worth of panels over a span of 30 chapters. Historia being a non character in order to perpetuate a paternity mystery that served no pupose due to the conclusion rendering the plot point unimportant. Reiner and Annie being easily forgiven, Levi not slaughtering them or Levi tagging along to save the other nation's despite their intent to render Erwin's sacrifice moot. "Annie eat's PIE! Hahaha!" Connie declaring "Let's save the world" after the world cheered in unison at the prospect of his people's genocide. Historia being a non character who appeared in less than 5 pages during the last 30 chapters.Reiner's mom and Annie's dad conveniently surving the initial rumbling,
A giant prehistoric worm being revealed as the catalyst behind all eldian's power to turn into kaiju. A fucking worm...
The founder of all Titans whose bodiy fused with said worm gaining near godlike powers (why?). Said founder maintaining the Titan curse for 2000 years because she still loved her asshole husband who ordered her to after killing her entire family, slaughtering her village, enslaving her, hunting her for sport, turn her a breeding sow after discovering her power, make her a lowly concubine, fucked other women in front of her as she nursed their newborn, ordered her to get up after being skewered by a spear while saving him from an assassination attempt, her still cooling corpse being butchered, and fed to her children in an effort to pass on her powers, her children being used to conquer and enslave other civilizations like her village , but she didn't lift the curse after 2000 years of atrocities that her sugar boo's ambitions had instigated. Nope it was somehow seeing Mikasa decapitating the man she devoted herself to that had inspired her to oppose Fritz's decree. Seeing her children suffer or witnessing the countless cases of battered housewives standing up for themselves throughout the two thousand years somehow didn't make her relent. All of that because she loved him, BRAfuckingVO great writing there.
There's Armin being an insufferable gary stu who Talk no Jutsu'd a platoon of frightened and angry soldiers who were almost killed a moment before by transformed civilians who they were conditioned to hate from centuries of race propagandainto into not killing them. Imagine some kid with a dick shaped haircut dropping out of the sky and telling you to not shoot the crowd of people who a moment ago had transformed into maneating giants, and claims that he killed the monstrosity that was controlling them so we're cool now, don't shoot and you believe him? Then there's what little that was left of Annie's character being stripped away in order to turn her into Armong's personal onahole, because Isayama sure loves to stroke his ego when it comes to wanking his self insert character.
I was about to go on, and on then caught myself writing a Masters degree tier thesis on why the last chapter was trash.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 10, 2021 21:08:20 GMT
It was hilariously bad, and this from someone who thought the past three years (since Eren’s attack on Liberio) was terrible. The story nosedived hard after they retrieved Eren's father's journal from his old house's basement. About Lberio i love it how Isayama wasted so many chapters on building up the lore on Marley which went nowhere while Eren's acquisition of the Warhammer Titan played no part in the rumbling. You can cut out the Tybur family and WH titan from the story, and the plot wouldn't be significantly impacted. Then there's Eren's ability to manipulate the past which is cleary copied from ASoIAF's Bran's warging ability, and his manipulation of the past to achieve his desired outcome was clearly copied from Dr. Strange seeking that one timeline where Thanos is defeated, which is evident after Isayama expressed his enjoyment of both GoT, and Avengers. Then there's the suspect similarties to Code Geass. The inconsistent explanations given to justify how Eren could access the founding Titan's powers (royal blood). The no limit's fallacy behind the limitations of his powers of time perception and manipulation. Historia only having 1 page worth of panels over a span of 30 chapters. Historia being a non character in or to perpetuate a paternity mystery that served no pupose due to the conclusion rendering the plot point unimportant. Reiner and Annie being easily forgiven, Levi not slaughtering them or Levi tagging along to save the other nation's despite their intent to render Erwin's sacrifice moot. "Annie eat's PIE! Hahaha!" Connie declaring "Let's save the world" after the world cheered in unison at the prospect of his people's genocide. Historia being a non character who appeared in less than 5 pages during the last 30 chapters.Reiner's mom and Annie's dad conveniently surving the initial rumbling,
A giant prehistoric worm being revealed as the catalyst behind all eldian's power to turn into kaiju. A fucking worm... The founder of all Titans whose bodied fused with said worm gaining near godlike powers. Said founder maintaining the Titan curse for 2000 years because her asshole husband ordered her to after killing her entire family, slaughtering her village, enslaving her, hunting her for sport, turn her a breeding sow after discovering her power, make her a lowly concubine, fucked other women in front of her as she nursed their newborn, ordered her to get up after being skewered by a spear while saving him from an assassination attempt, her still cooling corpse being butchered, and fed to her children in an effort to pass on her powers, her children being used to conquer and enslave other civilizations like her village , but she didn't lift the curse after 2000 years of atrocities that her sugar boo's ambitions had instigated. Nope it was somehow seeing Mikasa decapitating the man she devoted herself to that had inspired her to oppose Fritz's decree. It wasn't seeing her children suffer or the countless cases of battered housewives standing up for themselves throughout the two thousand years that made her relent. BRAfuckingVO great writing there.
There's Armin being an insufferable gary stu who Talk no Jutsu'd a platoon of frightened and angry soldiers who were almost killed a moment before by transformed civilians who they conditioned to hate from centuries of race propagandainto into not killing them. Imagine some kid with a dick shaped haircut dropping out of the sky and telling you to not shoot the crowd of people who a moment ago had transformed into maneating giants, and claims that he killed the monstrosity that was controlling them so we're cool now, don't shoot and uou believe him? Then there's what little that was left of Annie's character being stripped away in order to turn her into Armong's personal onahole, because Isayama sure loves to stroke his ego when it comes to wanking his self insert character.
I was about to go on, and on then caught myself writing a Masters degree tier thesis on why the last chapter was trash. I kind of agree about after the basement, but I actually did enjoy the first part of the Marley Arc where we followed Reiner, Pieck, and the others since it's always nice to get the perspective of the other side. No, the exact moment it nosedived for me was the moment Eren shakes Reiner's hand, seemingly setting things aside, only to devolve straight back into his kill them all mentality. Following that up with just massacring civilians, killing off some of my favorite characters (Zofia and especially Sasha) and the others being fine with that gave me nobody to support on the protagonist side thus no investment and it only went down from there once the Rumbling Arc started. Though even before that I had plenty of issues with the story, like the massacre of Stohess yet everyone who knew being fine with it (loved when Hitch finally called the Scouts out on that, making her one of my favorites). Yeah I was looking forward to the Warhammer since they were building them up to be the final boss, only to get rid of them after a single fight. And like you said, they served no purpose past that since Eren never really used the abilities except to get out of jail. Absolutely agree about the time manipulation being ridiculous. So he can manipulate the past and all Titans in it, not just the Attack Titans, and yet he does not even try to change anything. Even worse, he's now responsible for everything including his mom getting eaten and yet still had the gall to pin that on others like his conversation with Reiner. There were so many opportunities he could have had to make a better timeline, which so many saw that that was the predicted ending for the series like him waking up in Chapter 1 again as part of a time loop until he figured it out. And why not manipulate even far before that? Yeah this was just a poor failed version of the Zero Requiem. Lelouch at least was smart enough not to do anything too extreme like commit mass murder but instead only e a dictator as well as make sure the hatred was focused solely on him. Not Britannians, not Britannia, not even the government or his family. Just him. So much so the world was fine with his full sister becoming the next empress. Meanwhile Eren wiped out 80% of the population, most of who, were completely innocent of any of this, as well as irreparable damage to the environment that would kill the other 20% including his own people and just because an Eldian killed him the world is supposed to forgive them? Hell no! Especially where unlike Code Geass that had Britannia hate Lelouch as much as the rest of the world, Eldia worships ERen as a hero thus his genocide as being a good thing. And why? "I don't know. Felt like it." Yeah as I said already they ruined so many characters, like Historia, Jean, Connie (lets feed an innocent kid to my mom until being talked out of it at the last second), Levi, Mikasa, Armin, etc. The only good ones were the Warriors, since at least Reiner and Gabi and Magath have character growth, Annie not much, and Pieck and Falco are just good people so can't hate them. Yeah I was fine with Ymir showing up, but beyond that they should have left the origins of the Titans a mystery since it's not like they explain any of it beyond "parasitic prehistoric worm". Though yeah she had plenty of problems in this last chapter too. Her just never being free made sense, but now it's "She wasn't free because she loved him." Dude was the cause of every bad thing in her life. That is the most extreme Stockholm Syndrome I've ever seen in a character. And now Mikasa killing ERen finally lets her know "You can let go of love instead of it controlling you." Like I said before, there is no way the rest of the world would ever see Armin as the savior of the world and thus all Eldians are forgiven. Eren proved every piece of propaganda right, and Eldia embracing him even more. The cycle of hatred wouldn't be ended, it would be cemented forever. Speaking of forgiveness, I hate how everyone just forgave Eren. He already told them why he was doing what he was doing, and they said he had to be stopped and was wrong. But now he tells them again, and suddenly it's "Thank you so much for taking this burden Eren. WE love you." At least Pieck's reaction was good, feeling left out and being bummed about it. And the Gabi Falco tackle hug. As for self-insert, nah I think Levi is that more than Armin (though both probably are). Levi should have died, only being kept alive because of fangirls and his self-insert by making Levi awesome at everything. They even have similar goals after the war is over, Levi opening a tea shop while Isayama wants to open a sauna. Yeah that's barely scratching the surface. There is so much other stuff, like Eren being a complete freak with the whole "I don't want Mikasa to be with someone else, even decades from now. I love her!" despite constantly rebuffing her affections. At least from what I've seen, this ending is going down in flames. So many of the fans hate it and see it as ruining the series. Ironic considering Isayama didn't want to have his ending be like Game of Thrones, only for it to be compared to exactly that.
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Post by masterwarderz on Apr 10, 2021 23:57:34 GMT
If thats Exar Kun in the picture, he never "got" a saberstaff. He converted his conventional saber into a doublebladed one. A blue one with a short hilt.
For those of you with physical copies of "tales of the jedi, volume 2, look on page 277 and 278.
This but i think warderz just refers to all dual bladed sabers as staffs. Yep The saberstaff or double bladed lightsaber Also worth mentioning is that while the Golden Age Comics themselves do remark that is just a redesign of his original lightsaber as a Jedi, the Old Republic Campaign guide tells the story different, it was an ancient Sith leftover, much like his Talisman and Gauntlet
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Post by masterwarderz on Apr 11, 2021 0:05:59 GMT
What about Satile Shan? She is known to have a blue-bladed staff..... Satele and Maul both use saberstaffs too. Along with scores of other characters, since its introduction in TPM its become something rather commonplace among both the Jedi and Sith, with it being a long storied weapon. Though it has more adherents among the Darkside rather Light if you go by sheer numerics. This stems mostly from it being an excellent platform for executing the more aggressive forms of lightsaber combat such as Forms 4(A lot of the Old Republic Era Sith were fond of blending Ataru and Dual Bladed Sabers),5(Any post Second Jedi Purge Inquisitors who used a Saberstaff to just name a few),6(Exar Kun ironically enough is the biggest case and point of this style being used with Saberstaff) and 7(This would be Maul) Though as demonstrated by Zannah Dark Lady of the Sith, it can be used for basically any form to one degree or another such as displayed with her expert usage of Form 3 with her own Saberstaff.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 11, 2021 0:10:37 GMT
The story nosedived hard after they retrieved Eren's father's journal from his old house's basement. About Lberio i love it how Isayama wasted so many chapters on building up the lore on Marley which went nowhere while Eren's acquisition of the Warhammer Titan played no part in the rumbling. You can cut out the Tybur family and WH titan from the story, and the plot wouldn't be significantly impacted. Then there's Eren's ability to manipulate the past which is cleary copied from ASoIAF's Bran's warging ability, and his manipulation of the past to achieve his desired outcome was clearly copied from Dr. Strange seeking that one timeline where Thanos is defeated, which is evident after Isayama expressed his enjoyment of both GoT, and Avengers. Then there's the suspect similarties to Code Geass. The inconsistent explanations given to justify how Eren could access the founding Titan's powers (royal blood). The no limit's fallacy behind the limitations of his powers of time perception and manipulation. Historia only having 1 page worth of panels over a span of 30 chapters. Historia being a non character in or to perpetuate a paternity mystery that served no pupose due to the conclusion rendering the plot point unimportant. Reiner and Annie being easily forgiven, Levi not slaughtering them or Levi tagging along to save the other nation's despite their intent to render Erwin's sacrifice moot. "Annie eat's PIE! Hahaha!" Connie declaring "Let's save the world" after the world cheered in unison at the prospect of his people's genocide. Historia being a non character who appeared in less than 5 pages during the last 30 chapters.Reiner's mom and Annie's dad conveniently surving the initial rumbling,
A giant prehistoric worm being revealed as the catalyst behind all eldian's power to turn into kaiju. A fucking worm... The founder of all Titans whose bodied fused with said worm gaining near godlike powers. Said founder maintaining the Titan curse for 2000 years because her asshole husband ordered her to after killing her entire family, slaughtering her village, enslaving her, hunting her for sport, turn her a breeding sow after discovering her power, make her a lowly concubine, fucked other women in front of her as she nursed their newborn, ordered her to get up after being skewered by a spear while saving him from an assassination attempt, her still cooling corpse being butchered, and fed to her children in an effort to pass on her powers, her children being used to conquer and enslave other civilizations like her village , but she didn't lift the curse after 2000 years of atrocities that her sugar boo's ambitions had instigated. Nope it was somehow seeing Mikasa decapitating the man she devoted herself to that had inspired her to oppose Fritz's decree. It wasn't seeing her children suffer or the countless cases of battered housewives standing up for themselves throughout the two thousand years that made her relent. BRAfuckingVO great writing there.
There's Armin being an insufferable gary stu who Talk no Jutsu'd a platoon of frightened and angry soldiers who were almost killed a moment before by transformed civilians who they conditioned to hate from centuries of race propagandainto into not killing them. Imagine some kid with a dick shaped haircut dropping out of the sky and telling you to not shoot the crowd of people who a moment ago had transformed into maneating giants, and claims that he killed the monstrosity that was controlling them so we're cool now, don't shoot and uou believe him? Then there's what little that was left of Annie's character being stripped away in order to turn her into Armong's personal onahole, because Isayama sure loves to stroke his ego when it comes to wanking his self insert character.
I was about to go on, and on then caught myself writing a Masters degree tier thesis on why the last chapter was trash. I kind of agree about after the basement, but I actually did enjoy the first part of the Marley Arc where we followed Reiner, Pieck, and the others since it's always nice to get the perspective of the other side. No, the exact moment it nosedived for me was the moment Eren shakes Reiner's hand, seemingly setting things aside, only to devolve straight back into his kill them all mentality. Following that up with just massacring civilians, killing off some of my favorite characters (Zofia and especially Sasha) and the others being fine with that gave me nobody to support on the protagonist side thus no investment and it only went down from there once the Rumbling Arc started. Though even before that I had plenty of issues with the story, like the massacre of Stohess yet everyone who knew being fine with it (loved when Hitch finally called the Scouts out on that, making her one of my favorites). Yeah I was looking forward to the Warhammer since they were building them up to be the final boss, only to get rid of them after a single fight. And like you said, they served no purpose past that since Eren never really used the abilities except to get out of jail. Absolutely agree about the time manipulation being ridiculous. So he can manipulate the past and all Titans in it, not just the Attack Titans, and yet he does not even try to change anything. Even worse, he's now responsible for everything including his mom getting eaten and yet still had the gall to pin that on others like his conversation with Reiner. There were so many opportunities he could have had to make a better timeline, which so many saw that that was the predicted ending for the series like him waking up in Chapter 1 again as part of a time loop until he figured it out. And why not manipulate even far before that? Yeah this was just a poor failed version of the Zero Requiem. Lelouch at least was smart enough not to do anything too extreme like commit mass murder but instead only e a dictator as well as make sure the hatred was focused solely on him. Not Britannians, not Britannia, not even the government or his family. Just him. So much so the world was fine with his full sister becoming the next empress. Meanwhile Eren wiped out 80% of the population, most of who, were completely innocent of any of this, as well as irreparable damage to the environment that would kill the other 20% including his own people and just because an Eldian killed him the world is supposed to forgive them? Hell no! Especially where unlike Code Geass that had Britannia hate Lelouch as much as the rest of the world, Eldia worships ERen as a hero thus his genocide as being a good thing. And why? "I don't know. Felt like it." Yeah as I said already they ruined so many characters, like Historia, Jean, Connie (lets feed an innocent kid to my mom until being talked out of it at the last second), Levi, Mikasa, Armin, etc. The only good ones were the Warriors, since at least Reiner and Gabi and Magath have character growth, Annie not much, and Pieck and Falco are just good people so can't hate them. Yeah I was fine with Ymir showing up, but beyond that they should have left the origins of the Titans a mystery since it's not like they explain any of it beyond "parasitic prehistoric worm". Though yeah she had plenty of problems in this last chapter too. Her just never being free made sense, but now it's "She wasn't free because she loved him." Dude was the cause of every bad thing in her life. That is the most extreme Stockholm Syndrome I've ever seen in a character. And now Mikasa killing ERen finally lets her know "You can let go of love instead of it controlling you." Like I said before, there is no way the rest of the world would ever see Armin as the savior of the world and thus all Eldians are forgiven. Eren proved every piece of propaganda right, and Eldia embracing him even more. The cycle of hatred wouldn't be ended, it would be cemented forever. Speaking of forgiveness, I hate how everyone just forgave Eren. He already told them why he was doing what he was doing, and they said he had to be stopped and was wrong. But now he tells them again, and suddenly it's "Thank you so much for taking this burden Eren. WE love you." At least Pieck's reaction was good, feeling left out and being bummed about it. And the Gabi Falco tackle hug. As for self-insert, nah I think Levi is that more than Armin (though both probably are). Levi should have died, only being kept alive because of fangirls and his self-insert by making Levi awesome at everything. They even have similar goals after the war is over, Levi opening a tea shop while Isayama wants to open a sauna. Yeah that's barely scratching the surface. There is so much other stuff, like Eren being a complete freak with the whole "I don't want Mikasa to be with someone else, even decades from now. I love her!" despite constantly rebuffing her affections. At least from what I've seen, this ending is going down in flames. So many of the fans hate it and see it as ruining the series. Ironic considering Isayama didn't want to have his ending be like Game of Thrones, only for it to be compared to exactly that. Marley was decent at first because we got our first glimpse of civilization outside the island but after the return trip to Paradis it became obvious that Isayama wasn't going to further develop Marley or any other nation based on the fast pacing he used to make the events unfold after Eren killed Willy, and threre's the suspicion that Marley was only shown to add weight to the severity of the Rumbling too. Regarding the poor characterizations of the characters i felt that Jean, Hange, Reiner and Mikasa were the only consistent characters, and agree that Levi's character being kept alive to appease the fans when based on how little he contributed after Zeke turned suicide bomber against him. Another problem with Eren's Rumbling was that he was banking on the other nations regressing back to pre industrial revolution level of tech, but nope the author draws Levi and Gabi hanging out in a modern city only a mere three years later which brings me to another issue. Eren shouldn't be able to determine with certainty which past altering actions of his would lead to his preferred future due to the Titan curse being lifted with his death which should leave him ignorant about the outcome because he's dead, there's no titan foresight powers to use due to him being the last Attack Titan inheritor, but Isayama wrote ch 139 as if it's a good ending with no explanation or examples being given of other failed timelines that Eren is implied to be trying to avoid. This reminds me of a poor man's version of the Muv Luv where the mc is trapped in a timeloop and is desperately trying to escape it through trial and error. Eren manipulating past events to achieve the current timeline is jarring because it's implied that Carla's death was used to motivate him into his current mentality, even though Carla being crippled for life from the rubble should be enough motivation, while keeping Bertholdt alive for Armin to gain his powers. 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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 11, 2021 0:32:02 GMT
I kind of agree about after the basement, but I actually did enjoy the first part of the Marley Arc where we followed Reiner, Pieck, and the others since it's always nice to get the perspective of the other side. No, the exact moment it nosedived for me was the moment Eren shakes Reiner's hand, seemingly setting things aside, only to devolve straight back into his kill them all mentality. Following that up with just massacring civilians, killing off some of my favorite characters (Zofia and especially Sasha) and the others being fine with that gave me nobody to support on the protagonist side thus no investment and it only went down from there once the Rumbling Arc started. Though even before that I had plenty of issues with the story, like the massacre of Stohess yet everyone who knew being fine with it (loved when Hitch finally called the Scouts out on that, making her one of my favorites).
Yeah I was looking forward to the Warhammer since they were building them up to be the final boss, only to get rid of them after a single fight. And like you said, they served no purpose past that since Eren never really used the abilities except to get out of jail.
Absolutely agree about the time manipulation being ridiculous. So he can manipulate the past and all Titans in it, not just the Attack Titans, and yet he does not even try to change anything. Even worse, he's now responsible for everything including his mom getting eaten and yet still had the gall to pin that on others like his conversation with Reiner. There were so many opportunities he could have had to make a better timeline, which so many saw that that was the predicted ending for the series like him waking up in Chapter 1 again as part of a time loop until he figured it out. And why not manipulate even far before that?
Yeah this was just a poor failed version of the Zero Requiem. Lelouch at least was smart enough not to do anything too extreme like commit mass murder but instead only e a dictator as well as make sure the hatred was focused solely on him. Not Britannians, not Britannia, not even the government or his family. Just him. So much so the world was fine with his full sister becoming the next empress. Meanwhile Eren wiped out 80% of the population, most of who, were completely innocent of any of this, as well as irreparable damage to the environment that would kill the other 20% including his own people and just because an Eldian killed him the world is supposed to forgive them? Hell no! Especially where unlike Code Geass that had Britannia hate Lelouch as much as the rest of the world, Eldia worships ERen as a hero thus his genocide as being a good thing. And why? "I don't know. Felt like it."
Yeah as I said already they ruined so many characters, like Historia, Jean, Connie (lets feed an innocent kid to my mom until being talked out of it at the last second), Levi, Mikasa, Armin, etc. The only good ones were the Warriors, since at least Reiner and Gabi and Magath have character growth, Annie not much, and Pieck and Falco are just good people so can't hate them.
Yeah I was fine with Ymir showing up, but beyond that they should have left the origins of the Titans a mystery since it's not like they explain any of it beyond "parasitic prehistoric worm". Though yeah she had plenty of problems in this last chapter too. Her just never being free made sense, but now it's "She wasn't free because she loved him." Dude was the cause of every bad thing in her life. That is the most extreme Stockholm Syndrome I've ever seen in a character. And now Mikasa killing ERen finally lets her know "You can let go of love instead of it controlling you."
Like I said before, there is no way the rest of the world would ever see Armin as the savior of the world and thus all Eldians are forgiven. Eren proved every piece of propaganda right, and Eldia embracing him even more. The cycle of hatred wouldn't be ended, it would be cemented forever. Speaking of forgiveness, I hate how everyone just forgave Eren. He already told them why he was doing what he was doing, and they said he had to be stopped and was wrong. But now he tells them again, and suddenly it's "Thank you so much for taking this burden Eren. WE love you." At least Pieck's reaction was good, feeling left out and being bummed about it. And the Gabi Falco tackle hug. As for self-insert, nah I think Levi is that more than Armin (though both probably are). Levi should have died, only being kept alive because of fangirls and his self-insert by making Levi awesome at everything. They even have similar goals after the war is over, Levi opening a tea shop while Isayama wants to open a sauna.
Yeah that's barely scratching the surface. There is so much other stuff, like Eren being a complete freak with the whole "I don't want Mikasa to be with someone else, even decades from now. I love her!" despite constantly rebuffing her affections. At least from what I've seen, this ending is going down in flames. So many of the fans hate it and see it as ruining the series. Ironic considering Isayama didn't want to have his ending be like Game of Thrones, only for it to be compared to exactly that. Marley was decent at first because we got our first glimpse of civilization outside the island but after the return trip to Paradis it became obvious that Isayama wasn't going to further develop Marley or any other nation based on the fast pacing he used to make the events unfold after Eren killed Willy, and threre's the suspicion that Marley was only shown to add weight to the severity of the Rumbling too. Regarding the poor characterizations of the characters i felt that Jean, Hange, Reiner and Mikasa were the only consistent characters, and agree that Levi's character being kept alive to appease the fans when based on how little he contributed after Zeke turned suicide bomber against him. Another problem with Eren's Rumbling was that he was banking on the other nations regressing back to pre industrial revolution level of tech, but nope the author draws Levi and Gabi hanging out in a modern city only a mere three years later which brings me to another issue. Eren shouldn't be able to determine with certainty which past altering actions of his would lead to his preferred future due to the Titan curse being lifted with his death which should leave him ignorant about the outcome because he's dead, there's no titan foresight powers to use due to him being the last Attack Titan inheritor, but Isayama wrote ch 139 as if it's a good ending with no explanation or examples being given of other failed timelines that Eren is implied to be trying to avoid. This reminds me of a poor man's version of the Muv Luv where the mc is trapped in a timeloop and is desperately trying to escape it through trial and error. Eren manipulating past events to achieve the current timeline is jarring because it's implied that Carla's death was used to motivate him into his current mentality, even though Carla being crippled for life from the rubble should be enough motivation, while keeping Bertholdt alive for Armin to gain his powers. Eren telling Kruger to tell Grisha to start a family is nonsensical due to Eren already existing if he's already in contact with Kruger while Grisha giving Eren the Attack and founding Titans then later begging Zeke to stop Eren after being so horrified at visions of the Rumbling could theoretically refuse to give Eren the Founding and Attack titans in the first place. Then there's the author spending multiple chapters hinting at the Ackermans' powers being a threat to the toyal family beyond their superhuman ability which served as a back drop for Kenny's conflict, and evetual friendship with Uri but is later touched upon again with Mikasa meating Kiyomi but the plotline was left abandoned. Unbelievable. Yeah it was clear they just did that to show motivation for the Warriors (like Piecks dad, Gabi getting revenge for her friends death, etc) and to have some named characters be squished like the refugees such as Ramzi so it wasn't just faceless people. Other nations were just shown either in battle or being Rumbled. That in itself is a problem. Jean and Reiner were done well, but Hange and Mikasa were super undeveloped (we never even got a backstory for Hange) or MIkasa just being "Eren!" the whole series. Guess her not doing that (even though she still did like in the epilogue) was her character arc. Yeah Levi dying would have been so much better. Give the Alliance, especially Hange, more fuel to motivate them than just "save the world". That's a good point I hadn't considered. Them not being with the group heading back to Paradis means they're with the Allied Nations, so them having entire cities like that still existing means it won't take them too long to rebuild. We already see in that same shot them having biplanes, so they're even getting more advanced than their Zeppelins. And absolutely agree on Eren not eing able to see the future since there are no more Titans after he dies thus nobody to look through. With Carla's death, I don't even get why he couldn't have Dina eat Betholdt. It's not like she was loyal to Marley, so they would have had the Colossal Titan on their side five years earlier. She probably could have stopped Reiner and Annie thus the walls being fully breached, and accessed the basement years earlier. And if they absolutely needed Armin to be the Colossal, have Dina sacrifice herself when the time is right to pass it on. Then again why did Armin even need the Colossal Titan power, since after it saved his life he did barely anything with it and what little he did anyone could've done since it was two nukes. I guess maybe he was needed to convince the past Shifters to help, but that scene alone was terrible. And yeah they did nothing with the Ackerman power after "oh they were an experiment, Titans in human form" and especially nothing with Mikasa's being descended from royalty. Have her be the new ruler of the Asian Clan thus helping ensure peace at least or something.
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 11, 2021 1:56:30 GMT
Marley was decent at first because we got our first glimpse of civilization outside the island but after the return trip to Paradis it became obvious that Isayama wasn't going to further develop Marley or any other nation based on the fast pacing he used to make the events unfold after Eren killed Willy, and threre's the suspicion that Marley was only shown to add weight to the severity of the Rumbling too. Regarding the poor characterizations of the characters i felt that Jean, Hange, Reiner and Mikasa were the only consistent characters, and agree that Levi's character being kept alive to appease the fans when based on how little he contributed after Zeke turned suicide bomber against him. Another problem with Eren's Rumbling was that he was banking on the other nations regressing back to pre industrial revolution level of tech, but nope the author draws Levi and Gabi hanging out in a modern city only a mere three years later which brings me to another issue. Eren shouldn't be able to determine with certainty which past altering actions of his would lead to his preferred future due to the Titan curse being lifted with his death which should leave him ignorant about the outcome because he's dead, there's no titan foresight powers to use due to him being the last Attack Titan inheritor, but Isayama wrote ch 139 as if it's a good ending with no explanation or examples being given of other failed timelines that Eren is implied to be trying to avoid. This reminds me of a poor man's version of the Muv Luv where the mc is trapped in a timeloop and is desperately trying to escape it through trial and error. Eren manipulating past events to achieve the current timeline is jarring because it's implied that Carla's death was used to motivate him into his current mentality, even though Carla being crippled for life from the rubble should be enough motivation, while keeping Bertholdt alive for Armin to gain his powers. Eren telling Kruger to tell Grisha to start a family is nonsensical due to Eren already existing if he's already in contact with Kruger while Grisha giving Eren the Attack and founding Titans then later begging Zeke to stop Eren after being so horrified at visions of the Rumbling could theoretically refuse to give Eren the Founding and Attack titans in the first place. Then there's the author spending multiple chapters hinting at the Ackermans' powers being a threat to the toyal family beyond their superhuman ability which served as a back drop for Kenny's conflict, and evetual friendship with Uri but is later touched upon again with Mikasa meating Kiyomi but the plotline was left abandoned. Unbelievable. Yeah it was clear they just did that to show motivation for the Warriors (like Piecks dad, Gabi getting revenge for her friends death, etc) and to have some named characters be squished like the refugees such as Ramzi so it wasn't just faceless people. Other nations were just shown either in battle or being Rumbled. That in itself is a problem. Jean and Reiner were done well, but Hange and Mikasa were super undeveloped (we never even got a backstory for Hange) or MIkasa just being "Eren!" the whole series. Guess her not doing that (even though she still did like in the epilogue) was her character arc. Yeah Levi dying would have been so much better. Give the Alliance, especially Hange, more fuel to motivate them than just "save the world". That's a good point I hadn't considered. Them not being with the group heading back to Paradis means they're with the Allied Nations, so them having entire cities like that still existing means it won't take them too long to rebuild. We already see in that same shot them having biplanes, so they're even getting more advanced than their Zeppelins. And absolutely agree on Eren not eing able to see the future since there are no more Titans after he dies thus nobody to look through. With Carla's death, I don't even get why he couldn't have Dina eat Betholdt. It's not like she was loyal to Marley, so they would have had the Colossal Titan on their side five years earlier. She probably could have stopped Reiner and Annie thus the walls being fully breached, and accessed the basement years earlier. And if they absolutely needed Armin to be the Colossal, have Dina sacrifice herself when the time is right to pass it on. Then again why did Armin even need the Colossal Titan power, since after it saved his life he did barely anything with it and what little he did anyone could've done since it was two nukes. I guess maybe he was needed to convince the past Shifters to help, but that scene alone was terrible. And yeah they did nothing with the Ackerman power after "oh they were an experiment, Titans in human form" and especially nothing with Mikasa's being descended from royalty. Have her be the new ruler of the Asian Clan thus helping ensure peace at least or something. Isayama could have done more with Hange's character but choose to sacrifice her in place of Levi who should have died in the effort to delay the colossal titans instead. Hange's death seemed out of place like as if it was a rewrite due her not being a frontline fighter, and her suddenly having the strength to cut through a colossal titan's weak point which is a feat that should only be achievable by an Ackerman like Levi whose only relevance later on was killing a suicidal Zeke. About the post Rumbling world state. The allied nations potentially having even more advanced tech than the pre Rumbling era while having Eren's genocide attempt fresh on their minds doesn't bode well for Paradis. They already voted to genocide Paradis over grievances from a few centuries ago now imagine the sheer asshurt over the rumbling. Somehow this was the future Eren sought. With Eren's actions in regards to Dina, Carla and Bertholdt any scenario is possible and that's what annoys me about Isayama's abuse of mystery box writing because the writing is crafted in a way to get us to theorycraft about countless scenarios like - Dina after gaining the Colossal titan power hunting Grisha down as revenge for not helping her, using the founding titan power to rule the world, her killing Carla in jealous rage and or turn Eren into a surrogate slave son in place of Zeke, etc. while Isayama probably didn't think that far ahead, and thought some mystery would give the illusion of depth/complexity to the plot. Also to add on about Ymir. She is beyond having Stockholm Syndrome and her character only makes sense if she's somewhere on the spectrum, and is insane too. Isayama rendering Ymir a mute while abusing the mystery box has stripped her character of any semblance of depth, and reduced her into deus ex machina. 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One more thing, i finished reading Attack on Titan's final chapter, and it's conclusion is a bigger shitshow than Disney's handling of the sequel trilogy. Never before have i seen an ending that retroactively added so many plotholes, and then there's the terrible dialogue. I'd say they're pretty much on par with each other in that regard. Which doesn't reflect well on the one with the billion dollar budget and half-dozen collaborating professional writers and directors. Not counting the story group. And Exar Kun's lightsaber looks hilariously impractical. Way worse than an ordinary lightsaber, or even Maul's and Satele's longer-hilted versions. He looks like he should be cleaving himself in two in both panels where he attacks with it. I'd classify it as an embarrassing, garishly colored experiment and leave it at that. Scenes like that make me glad that I've never been a consummate fan of either Star Wars or comic books.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 12, 2021 20:21:47 GMT
One more thing, i finished reading Attack on Titan's final chapter, and it's conclusion is a bigger shitshow than Disney's handling of the sequel trilogy. Never before have i seen an ending that retroactively added so many plotholes, and then there's the terrible dialogue. I'd say they're pretty much on par with each other in that regard. Which doesn't reflect well on the one with the billion dollar budget and half-dozen collaborating professional writers and directors. Not counting the story group. And Exar Kun's lightsaber looks hilariously impractical. Way worse than an ordinary lightsaber, or even Maul's and Satele's longer-hilted versions. He looks like he should be cleaving himself in two in both panels where he attacks with it. I'd classify it as an embarrassing, garishly colored experiment and leave it at that. Scenes like that make me glad that I've never been a consummate fan of either Star Wars or comic books. Hey, at least he didn't twirl it around and try flying with it
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 12, 2021 20:53:18 GMT
Hey, at least he didn't twirl it around and try flying with it *blinks, does a google search and pulls up a Youtube video* No way... How the hell is that supposed to work? I suppose I'll revise my position to 'longing for a time when they kept goofy shit like that to the comic books'.
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Post by Evil on Apr 12, 2021 21:13:58 GMT
And Exar Kun's lightsaber looks hilariously impractical. Way worse than an ordinary lightsaber, or even Maul's and Satele's longer-hilted versions. He looks like he should be cleaving himself in two in both panels where he attacks with it. I'd classify it as an embarrassing, garishly colored experiment and leave it at that. Scenes like that make me glad that I've never been a consummate fan of either Star Wars or comic books.
The depiction of Exar Kun' usage of that blade in the comics was a letdown, I'll agree. The design is fine by itself however.
Instead of trying to use it with both blades activated at the same time, staff style, he should be alternating the two, using it conventionally one moment and reverse grip the next. Good luck parrying when you don't even know which blade he'll use, or from which direction. It'd be even more unpredictable if the blades were the same colour but different lengths too.
A mediocre gimmick weapon for most jedi or sith, but I can totally see a master of form 6 niman like Kun was supposed to be getting geting a few "gotcha!" kills with it.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 12, 2021 21:31:43 GMT
The depiction of Exar Kun' usage of that blade in the comics was a letdown, I'll agree. The design is fine by itself however. Instead of trying to use it with both blades activated at the same time, staff style, he should be alternating the two, using it conventionally one moment and reverse grip the next. Good luck parrying when you don't even know which blade he'll use, or from which direction. It'd be even more unpredictable if the blades were the same colour but different lengths too. A mediocre gimmick weapon for most jedi or sith, but I can totally see a master of form 6 niman like Kun was supposed to be getting geting a few "gotcha!" kills with it.
Hmm. I suppose I could see that too. Though I feel like most opponents would just instantly strike at wherever your saber suddenly isn't guarding or occupying theirs anymore, more likely resulting in a double kill than anything else. And anyone who isn't a prodigy would kill themselves ten times over before ever mastering the weapon. When I look at Maul in TPM I'm already like "How the f*** do you still have all your limbs??"
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Post by Iakus on Apr 12, 2021 21:49:50 GMT
The depiction of Exar Kun' usage of that blade in the comics was a letdown, I'll agree. The design is fine by itself however. Instead of trying to use it with both blades activated at the same time, staff style, he should be alternating the two, using it conventionally one moment and reverse grip the next. Good luck parrying when you don't even know which blade he'll use, or from which direction. It'd be even more unpredictable if the blades were the same colour but different lengths too. A mediocre gimmick weapon for most jedi or sith, but I can totally see a master of form 6 niman like Kun was supposed to be getting geting a few "gotcha!" kills with it.
Hmm. I suppose I could see that too. Though I feel like most opponents would just instantly strike at wherever your saber suddenly isn't guarding or occupying theirs anymore, more likely resulting in a double kill than anything else. And anyone who isn't a prodigy would kill themselves ten times over before ever mastering the weapon. When I look at Maul in TPM I'm already like "How the f*** do you still have all your limbs??" Well, keep in mind Jedi and Sith and precognizant thanks to the Force. To some degree, they know what's coming and can compensate on the fly. Doesn't totally replace lack of safe gripping space on a lightsaber, but it can make otherwise impractical designs...not so impractical.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 12, 2021 22:59:28 GMT
Hmm. I suppose I could see that too. Though I feel like most opponents would just instantly strike at wherever your saber suddenly isn't guarding or occupying theirs anymore, more likely resulting in a double kill than anything else. And anyone who isn't a prodigy would kill themselves ten times over before ever mastering the weapon. When I look at Maul in TPM I'm already like "How the f*** do you still have all your limbs??" Well, keep in mind Jedi and Sith and precognizant thanks to the Force. To some degree, they know what's coming and can compensate on the fly. Doesn't totally replace lack of safe gripping space on a lightsaber, but it can make otherwise impractical designs...not so impractical. Sure, but I thought they somewhat canceled each other out in that regard, during confrontations or even just from proximity. Shorter handle also means shorter reach and much worse leverage during binds since you can't spread your hands apart to the same extent. The main advantages I see in Maul's and Satele's lightsabers beyond the double blade gimmick is that they can thrust further and swing with more force, and maybe slightly faster, due to being able to essentially use their hilts as levers for the blades like you would a spear or a halberd. As long as they don't turn on both blades at once, of course.
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