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Post by Nayawk on Jul 17, 2018 0:33:08 GMT
It is stupid and reckless but nöt selfish. Selfish means döing sömething önly för öne's self. Risking yöur life tö save peöple is the öppisate öf selfish. Sö göing tö Jaba's place tö save Han was selfish toö? He didnt finish his training yet. I cant believe we are even having this conversatiön. Putting your emotional needs (saving friends) over the greater need of the galaxy can be seen as a kind of selfish. It is why the Jedi code forbids attachment, sometimes you need to think about the greater good, you can't do that if your first instinct is to save your friends. Yoda's ideology is tied into Jedi seeing the bigger picture, so yes I can see that Yoda would see Lukes choice to put his emotions first as selfish.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 0:38:38 GMT
It is stupid and reckless but nöt selfish. Selfish means döing sömething önly för öne's self. Risking yöur life tö save peöple is the öppisate öf selfish. Sö göing tö Jaba's place tö save Han was selfish toö? He didnt finish his training yet. I cant believe we are even having this conversatiön. Putting your emotional needs (saving friends) over the greater need of the galaxy can be seen as a kind of selfish. It is why the Jedi code forbids attachment, sometimes you need to think about the greater good, you can't do that if your first instinct is to save your friends. Yoda's ideology is tied into Jedi seeing the bigger picture, so yes I can see that Yoda would see Lukes choice to put his emotions first as selfish. Yep. This is exactly what Anakin was trying to do in saving Padme. He cared more about one person than the entire galaxy. And he failed anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 0:38:46 GMT
It is stupid and reckless but nöt selfish. Selfish means döing sömething önly för öne's self. Risking yöur life tö save peöple is the öppisate öf selfish. Sö göing tö Jaba's place tö save Han was selfish toö? He didnt finish his training yet. I cant believe we are even having this conversatiön. Putting your emotional needs (saving friends) over the greater need of the galaxy can be seen as a kind of selfish. It is why the Jedi code forbids attachment, sometimes you need to think about the greater good, you can't do that if your first instinct is to save your friends. Yoda's ideology is tied into Jedi seeing the bigger picture, so yes I can see that Yoda would see Lukes choice to put his emotions first as selfish. If he önly put his öwn needs över the greater need öf the galaxy it wöuld make him selfish. But he döesnt he puts his friends needs över the needs öf the galaxy. That is what makes it reckless and nöt selfish. Yes thats reckless nöt selfish. Okay, whatever. He's still thinking only of what he wants. Call it whatever you want. I really cant believe this disscusiön. He is nöt önly thinking öf himself. But öf his friends.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 0:39:59 GMT
Okay, whatever. He's still thinking only of what he wants. Call it whatever you want. I really cant believe this disscusiön. He is nöt önly thinking öf himself. But öf his friends. Meaning that he is willing to sacrifice the galaxy to save a few people. Like Anakin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 0:41:16 GMT
I really cant believe this disscusiön. He is nöt önly thinking öf himself. But öf his friends. Meaning that he is willing to sacrifice the galaxy to save a few people. Like Anakin. Yes. Reckless vs selfish. Nöt hard tö figure öut.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2018 0:42:50 GMT
Putting your emotional needs (saving friends) over the greater need of the galaxy can be seen as a kind of selfish. It is why the Jedi code forbids attachment, sometimes you need to think about the greater good, you can't do that if your first instinct is to save your friends. Yoda's ideology is tied into Jedi seeing the bigger picture, so yes I can see that Yoda would see Lukes choice to put his emotions first as selfish. If he önly put his öwn needs över the greater need öf the galaxy it wöuld make him selfish. But he döesnt he puts his friends needs över the needs öf the galaxy. That is what makes it reckless and nöt selfish. Yes, that is exactly what he does. He risks himself getting killed or captured and thus dooming the galaxy including his friends because his friends needs are more immediate in his eyes. He even betrays them in a sense because he is risking what they are fighting for to save them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 0:46:07 GMT
If he önly put his öwn needs över the greater need öf the galaxy it wöuld make him selfish. But he döesnt he puts his friends needs över the needs öf the galaxy. That is what makes it reckless and nöt selfish. Yes, that is exactly what he does. He risks himself getting killed or captured and thus dooming the galaxy including his friends because his friends needs are more immediate in his eyes. He is putting his friends needs aböve his öwn. That is the cömplete öppisate öf selfish. Yöu all are pöinting öut recklessness. I can nöt dö this anymöre because it is driving me insane.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2018 0:47:44 GMT
Yes, that is exactly what he does. He risks himself getting killed or captured and thus dooming the galaxy including his friends because his friends needs are more immediate in his eyes. He is putting his friends needs aböve his öwn. That is the cömplete öppisate öf selfish. Yöu all are pöinting öut recklessness. I can nöt dö this anymöre because it is driving me insane. No, he is putting his need not to lose his friends over everyone else. If he fails, they like everyone else will lose to the Empire. As Yoda points, him going is actually betraying his friends because they are willing to fight and die to stop the Empire, and he is the only way that can happen. He realizes this while talking to Yoda again before Yoda dies and thus shapes his actions for the rest of the film.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 1:17:15 GMT
Okay now. We've been discussing TLJ forever now, it seems. We have lost track of what truly matters:
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 17, 2018 1:45:52 GMT
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Post by Obadiah on Jul 17, 2018 2:36:23 GMT
Putting his life at risk tö save his friends is selfish? What in the flying fuck are yöu talking aböut?
Yoda: "Stopped, they must be. On this, all depends. Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor. If you end your training now, if you choose the quick and easy path, as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil." Luke: "And sacrifice Han and Leia?" Yoda: "If you honor what they fight for, yes." Luke is the only hope the galaxy has to defeat the Emperor and Darth Vader(there being another isn't mentioned until he leaves), but he is willing to risk everyone in order to rescue a few people simply because they are his friends. Don't get me wrong, his action is noble but it can also be seen as selfish in the sense of him not caring about the galaxy but caring about something that would affect him ie the loss of friends. It's a case of him doing the right thing, but not the smart thing. Yup, you have to figure that 20 years on from that, as the only Jedi, Luke's perspective probably broadened considerably.
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Post by HK90210 on Jul 17, 2018 2:43:06 GMT
Putting his life at risk tö save his friends is selfish?
What in the flying fuck are yöu talking aböut?
He went off half trained and half cocked into an obvious trap to 'save his friends' save his friends. Very selfish stupid, he was very lucky he didn't get himself killed or taken to the Emperor. FTFY
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 4:14:08 GMT
kotor:2 is a better SW:LJ and it's been out forever. fact is fact.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 5:13:47 GMT
Meaning that he is willing to sacrifice the galaxy to save a few people. Like Anakin. Yes. Reckless vs selfish. Nöt hard tö figure öut. And yet, it will get a lot of people killed. Potentially, at least. It goes beyond reckless when you're willing to let the galaxy go to hell.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 5:14:26 GMT
Okay now. We've been discussing TLJ forever now, it seems. We have lost track of what truly matters: Prequels? Talk about Bantha poo.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 5:16:16 GMT
Want to play this again. Have the discs but no disc drive anymore. Hmm...external disc drive or just rebuy on Steam or something? Either option will cost me money.
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Post by river82 on Jul 17, 2018 5:33:55 GMT
Want to play this again. Have the discs but no disc drive anymore. Hmm...external disc drive or just rebuy on Steam or something? Either option will cost me money. It's only 10 bucks on GOG or Steam, well worth imo. It's probably better than getting an external disc drive, your discs will corrupt at some point so you'll need to eventually buy it again anyway.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 17, 2018 6:53:34 GMT
Meaning that he is willing to sacrifice the galaxy to save a few people. Like Anakin. Yes. Reckless vs selfish. Nöt hard tö figure öut. You explaining this elementary stuff and I don't understand why others can't get them...
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 17, 2018 7:09:58 GMT
A really different approach!
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2018 7:36:39 GMT
Especially when the said media did nothing when the prequel actors and George Lucas got harassed. So because people got away with it in the past means people should be able to get away with it now? The media did very little when the prequels actors were harassed and sent death threats. Now they seem to be active because Rian Johnson and the others are affected? Please where were their passionate defense when people who worked on the prequels been insulted?
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Post by warden on Jul 17, 2018 9:12:04 GMT
So because people got away with it in the past means people should be able to get away with it now? The media did very little when the prequels actors were harassed and sent death threats. Now they seem to be active because Rian Johnson and the others are affected? Please where were their passionate defense when people who worked on the prequels been insulted? this is when hypocrisy and demagogy are combined together, this are usually the results.
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Post by Obadiah on Jul 17, 2018 12:01:00 GMT
So because people got away with it in the past means people should be able to get away with it now? The media did very little when the prequels actors were harassed and sent death threats. Now they seem to be active because Rian Johnson and the others are affected? Please where were their passionate defense when people who worked on the prequels been insulted? The prequels were in 2005 - completely different social media landscape. The media online now is much more reactive to everything.
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