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Post by tehprincessj on Aug 24, 2017 17:02:30 GMT
It doesn't have to be a Quarian SAM, though, what if Blasto's half brother got himself the place of the Pathfinder for the Ark? It could totally be a badass drell, too. Let's hope the doc is just being a hypochondriac with all these "too old" complaints, or just really ancient (100+) and looking great for his age I have so much headcanon as to why Harry stays with the comatose twin. But as I've said before, I've the world's biggest crush on him. In ME1, Shep says something to Liara about "humans are lucky if we live to be a 150", but Harry? Harry's got to be early- to mid- 40s. He looks younger than default Alec to me. orchid, for a day or so there, I was terrified that you were out of here. Glad that wasn't true. would it be preferable for our new PC to get a chance of romancing him, or would we just rather admire him from afar and think that he belongs with Ryder, hands off! I mean, I dunno myself. Gotta repeat: I just want some more Reyes, one way or another. Eesh, I'm probably going to feel like I have in Dragon Age in the past, and that is, while I may love a character to teeny tiny pieces, once I ship them with 1 PC, I can't ship them with anyone else. So yeah, even if new protag dies loveless and alone, they won't be getting anything from Reyes, because I ship Reyes with Ryder too hard. Speaking of SAM, which reply did you all choose when SAM asks about Reyes? On the first time, I went with the heart option, since I imagined Ryder being madly in love. The second time I picked the “shoulder to lean on” line, since I thought about Ryder being stressed and needing a dependable partner (and I wanted to see other dialogues). I always go with emotional, too. It just goes with the headspace I'm running with and that unsurety, that "I hope he feels the same" is entirely perfect for how I see things between them.
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Post by orchid on Aug 24, 2017 17:58:47 GMT
tehprincessj ! Here I had a sinking feeling that the thread had slowed down too much for me to get aboard again with my latest post, before your lovely reply… But nonetheless, today I am back. I have so much headcanon as to why Harry stays with the comatose twin. But as I've said before, I've the world's biggest crush on him. In ME1, Shep says something to Liara about "humans are lucky if we live to be a 150", but Harry? Harry's got to be early- to mid- 40s. He looks younger than default Alec to me. Harry has the same preset as my first Ryder did, so it felt like the entire Initiative was filled with members of one family. If only the sibling had done a little bit more than slept in coma, maybe we would've had more of Harry as well. Eesh, I'm probably going to feel like I have in Dragon Age in the past, and that is, while I may love a character to teeny tiny pieces, once I ship them with 1 PC, I can't ship them with anyone else. So yeah, even if new protag dies loveless and alone, they won't be getting anything from Reyes, because I ship Reyes with Ryder too hard. Yah, it would probably be too weird. Better to have Reyes as non-romanceable returning NPC, and have the new PC court a male Turian or something. I’ll say though that the bar has been raised significantly for any new LIs. I half-heartedly did the uninteresting and even irritating Cortez and Kaidan romances so that Shepard wouldn’t die without getting laid once, so Reyes was an unprecedented surprise with how great he and his romance was. I’m not sure they can hit the jackpot again. Especially since most of the time their idea of attractive human male is completely off for my tastes. I always go with emotional, too. It just goes with the headspace I'm running with and that unsurety, that "I hope he feels the same" is entirely perfect for how I see things between them. I love the emotional reply, but currently I lean surprisingly much to the “logical” one. I’m not sure I’d even describe the line as purely logical, since it can also be a very emotional sentiment, or so it appears to my current Ryder. I wish these lines were custom tailored for different LIs. I would love to hear Ryder speak out about how much they care about Reyes or find him handsome by mentioning his name. :3 Today’s Reyes – neglected at a party by a terrible significant other (or maybe he should’ve gotten bored enough to start looking for Ryder; turnabout’s fair play):
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 24, 2017 19:12:55 GMT
Wouldn't that make a hilarious mission . Okay, no more changes of clothes or face markings until approved. Heh, it just occurred to me it might be even funnier in reverse.. as in your alien LI harassing some random human because well, all humans look the same and some PCs actually change outfits and have nothing especially defining (save for renegade Shep, I guess) The imagined conversation afterwards.... I know. It just sounds pretty old by today's standards. They say up to 150 years is possible but then they never show us anyone around that age. Or don't tell at least. Oh no, no immortality . Everybody dies someday. Yeah, yeah, master, I'm not really trying to subvert Nature's laws or anything, just trying to smuggle Reyes into the next game whatever route will be eventually chosen, because, in agreement with orchid, the more Reyes the better, and Andromeda would just be such a dull, sober, honorable place without him Aww, I'm actually at saving the Moshae so - soon. Yay. It's been long. Lmao yea I meant w/r/t Reyes romance. God knows the hooks on the Benefactor murder, Ellen, Quarians, and all the choices which didn’t yet yield any consequences needed to be closed. I’ll be brief on this, since I don’t want the thread sidetracked onto non-Reyes sequel speculation, but I’m pretty sure that Ryder’s done for. I mean, not even one DLC? They won’t return back to something they’ve shunned so utterly. I’d believe the same for the entire Andromeda setting, except they already nuked the Milky Way setting, and picking a third galaxy would be too much. A relatively short timed jump, so that some of the MEA NPCs could still be around would be a way to continue in the same setting without being saddled with the perceived package of Ryder &co. Which is why I can’t help but wonder in what way we possibly could yet get some Reyes out of the deal. You’re right though that the same would go to every other NPC too, largely empting the whole idea of sly connectivity while keeping proper distance. But damn, I just want some more Reyes. Lol, I found it weird you'd not care about these But I wouldn't be so serious about sidetracking, at least there's some discussion.... That said, the thing with Ryder is sad, very likely and too far ahead for anything to be taken for granted. It's all very peculiar. I don't really get this no DLC thing. Not even DA2 got that kind of treatment and there was some serious shitstorm about it too (but I wasn't around to see the exact extent of it, nor do I really understand it. It's my BW favorite by far) so perhaps there were other things at play from the start.... Well, there's quite a chance for Reyes to become a major power in the future, so if anyone has a chance to remain around in some capacity, it might as well be him. Also, people like seeing their LIs in sequels... (Heh, imagine if he appeared in the capacity of a shady pet shot owner... Perhaps in the end of the reaching out quest you mentioned?) I tend to be of two minds on this. On one hand, Ryder’s only 22, Reyes seems like he gets around, and we’re left at very early stage of the relationship without seeing one iota of their regular being together except for the victory party, which wasn't much. On the other hand, Reyes and Scott are adorable and I want them to be happy together. There are plenty of people that have found their one and only so young and it’s people like me that get fidgety at signs of commitment that just end up dying alone and unloved. And it does count in their favor that they’re not lovey dovey, since there won’t be unrealistic expectations (Reyes will NOT be a prince Charming, and Ryder is going to be away a lot, traveling the cluster and risking their life dangerously every single day, both know these things), which means they have a good chance of managing things. Also: good chemistry. Without that, there’s no chance of lasting relationship. However, if we think on a sequel released in like eight years’ time , when our Ryders are a remote recollection, and if our shiny new player character met a silver fox Reyes* - would it be preferable for our new PC to get a chance of romancing him, or would we just rather admire him from afar and think that he belongs with Ryder, hands off! I mean, I dunno myself. Gotta repeat: I just want some more Reyes, one way or another. *(let’s assume that the longer human lifespan means that the aging process slows down, rather than people getting hoary, senile and frail at 80 and then living like THAT for several decades) Perhaps the plot would have the player character being of the first generation born in Andromeda. Ryder the Pathfinder with their crew went missing couple decades ago as they went to map the black hole or whatever, and only now has the Nexus received some sign of them, maybe a garbled radio message. And our char gets to investigate. Some info could be provided by Reyes (reaching him would be a quest unto itself, as he’d be highly secretive and well-guarded top information broker). He could tell something of Ryder and what Milky Way was like, in person. A nice call-back and still a good character that would work beyond lazy fan service. But no, this is all waste, because it wouldn’t be anything like that. Well, that's why I imagine it as non-committed as a relationship status allows, love is overrated anyway. That it can actually be seen like the two are of similarly realistic minds about their relationship is probably what sets the romance so much apart.. and makes it truly awesome. No unnecessary drama, no lovey dovey bullshit (except that "he's better than you think" line), two complementing powers working together splendidly. Simply makes you want them to last so bad... Though it might be interesting if we were for once given a chance to romance the same character with two PCs. Even though the thought what would have become of Ryder in that case makes me shudder a little, it might be interesting. And Reyes would make a good character for that, given his personality. Especially if Ryder were long gone by the time of the sequel, he would probably hold some fond memories of them without the romance feeling like you're moving on someone still in mourning... I may love the thought of Reyes and Ryder together and thinking of Ryder gone makes me a bit sad, but if it worked in the game I'd very likely give it an overly melancholy try... Lol at the age thought, it's downright apocalyptic. I can't see any at least barely sentient alien taking humanity seriously in that case though, so hopefully they found a way around it. Even if people in their fifties like Anderson (or Alec, but I don't know his lore age) still look menacingly much like people in their fifties Maybe I’m banking too much on the discussion with the Salarian operative at Kralla’s, and that Ryder knows (if they have visited the hide-out) that the Collective is ordered not to fire upon them. The Collective is always doing the long con, so as Ryder I would assume that I’d be relatively safe as long as I didn’t begin fighting alongside Sloane. Also, I didn’t say “they wouldn’t dare” – I referred to a “they wouldn’t benefit from it” kind of situation, which is different beast altogether. The Collective would be stupid to start shit up with a cautiously neutral party that could be an incredibly useful and powerful ally, and everything tells us that they’re the smart, collected, and cautious ones without any grudge towards the Initiative. Of course, everything’s skewed by Ryder walking blithely to dozens such situations on the reg. Speaking of SAM, which reply did you all choose when SAM asks about Reyes? On the first time, I went with the heart option, since I imagined Ryder being madly in love. The second time I picked the “shoulder to lean on” line, since I thought about Ryder being stressed and needing a dependable partner (and I wanted to see other dialogues)- You just give it a more accurate name. But the recruiter is, well, a recruiter and may paint the Collective in the most favorable light possible in order to get what he wants. And as far as Ryder knows the order of the day could change when they’re seen coming to the meeting as Sloane’s supposed ally (they’re there with her, aren’t they?), there’s a small chance the Collective may just open fire realizing too late who Ryder is (a small chance, I know, but can happen) or the cave can simply be booby trapped to high hells, in which case no attitude the Collective has towards Ryder helps. I don’t see how Ryder could be hundred percent sure to walk out of the negotiations unharmed, unless they have Reyes figured out from the very start and expect him to finally spit it out, perhaps (I mentioned this conversation to a friend today and she came up with this one) The only real guarantee Ryder has on this matter is being the PC, and our metagame knowledge... But yeah, hell, who cares, Ryder can stroll right onto an enemy general’s warship, so why not.... perhaps they’re secretly suicidal? Hmm, it’ll probably be a hard choice when I get there. Let’s wait and see. It could totally be a badass drell, too. We’ve already had one, though, while we only hear rumors about the badassfullness of the jellyfish kind I’d be fine with anything, really. I have so much headcanon as to why Harry stays with the comatose twin. But as I've said before, I've the world's biggest crush on him. In ME1, Shep says something to Liara about "humans are lucky if we live to be a 150", but Harry? Harry's got to be early- to mid- 40s. He looks younger than default Alec to me. orchid , for a day or so there, I was terrified that you were out of here. Glad that wasn't true. Yeah, that’s where I got the information in the first place. I guess I always sort of suspected Harry just looks that young because there are really no old people in MEA. It’s funny though if he actually is that young with all those complaints of his that he’s too old for stuff Hypochondriac much? Perhaps a little professional deformation? Or is it just an excuse to stay aboard the Nexus because of the promise they would open a bar? Share a headcanon thought to make those suspicions go away? I’m not very good at hacking minigames and get nervous about them, and I’m too stingy about my augmentation spending, so I’m afraid I’d suck terribly at The Pritchard’s Tale, but I think I’d buy it too. I think I’m 2/3 done, since I’ve just now killed the second mini-boss (the cloaking woman) and I assume that means that there’s only that one dude left. I got a little frustrated when Jensen wouldn’t just shoot the dragon lady in the kneecap and make her talk instead of just letting her fondle him (what is it with NPCs pawing at our player dudes in so many games???) and blathering on, but I guess he just froze out of not having any actual plan to make her talk. But I assume that’s not what you were talking about lol. I’m extremely enjoying the silenced sniper rifle (really, who can judge Mr. Sniper Guy or Reyes for employing him? sharpshooting is the most fun thing). I like to make various playthroughs experiencing all the paths, first PT usually as a perfectly nice person, in RPGs that actually allow such a thing. (Thanks for nothing, MEA! my 2nd PT is pretty much dead, with such decisions as whether to give Morda the core or not now having become even more meaningless than before). I’m usually delighted when there’s an actual option for playing an evil or shades-of-grey bastard and relish the memories fondly, especially if the paths are as excellent as in, say, Kotor2. Becoming a slaver in FO2 mostly just makes you universally hated and closes off paths, though. I solved this. I just put all my startgame points into damn hacking because those low percentages were making me nervous, and things got easier from there. Not like you needed any of the other augs so much, save for the one that allows you to lift stuff... Wonder if Pritchard would have any skillset beyond hack and speech. But wait, he went into that secret investigation trying to beat Jensen to whatever... I forgot the focus of that quest, but you run all around the company to solve the mystery... so perhaps the Pritchard’s tale is not so far fetched? Aaaand, actually, that’s precisely it. Congrats, you survived unscathed I, however, couldn’t. I mean, she’s a well known hardass shady corporate leader, he might even hear her talk on a security cam in addition to knowing the rumors, and she’s running about touching him, with all that silly prattle of a fifteen year old damsel in distress. An average dismembered husk would know something’s up and he does exactly what? Stop her movement around her panic room where who knows what switches may be hiding, shoot her, break her arms and make her start making sense? Hell, no. He. Fucking. Stands. There. He stands there like a fucking idiot, calling a shitstorm on his head every second he lets that berating act go on. Naaah, he deserves to die for that on the spot for his brain must have given up on him long ago or his sexual frustration must have dampened it to the point of no return (I actually did one more mission but in my headcanon he died right there) It’s not the first time I hear the freezing argument, but my answer is still the same- it makes him no better. The result is the same. A high class operative like him and he stops dead before a woman’s fake crying? Ughh. If you read this, Zitrus, no, no mercy for Jensen the twat. He’s unworthy. Nice of you to speak up for him though. I hereby apologize for this rather explicit rant. I didn’t kill in Deus Ex unless there was no other option but otherwise sniping is definitely among the best. (Awww, my scoped hunting rifle from NV... it was from a mod and featured this little scarf... What you can’t blow up you can perfectly well shoot from a distance...) I’m mostly into various sha types of grey characters (guess I’ve gone soft, I used to run amok in my time), rogues and the like, good bores me and evil sometimes feels just too evil Each of them has their questionable shit and worse side going, something over the line, but not all. But I hate missing too much stuff by choosing a path. Unless it’s really rewarding, the choice is always hard for me. It’s true that MEA’s rather bland in that regard with only Kadara to do a little shady stuff or sell some medicinal herbs... shades of bastard Ryder are definitely missing. Hopefully they will not be forgotten next time.... there might, after all, not be so much need to play nice with everyone. orchid But the thread slows down most considerably when you're absent... I'm afraid this is your first point that will have to be contested in its entirety.
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Post by orchid on Aug 25, 2017 8:50:58 GMT
Well, there's quite a chance for Reyes to become a major power in the future, so if anyone has a chance to remain around in some capacity, it might as well be him. Also, people like seeing their LIs in sequels... (Heh, imagine if he appeared in the capacity of a shady pet shot owner... Perhaps in the end of the reaching out quest you mentioned?) Aw. It would be much too of a lonely thing for Reyes to keep the pet shop without Ryder as the co-owner. One issue would be dealing with different paths Ryder can take. Even if we returned to Andromeda, there surely wouldn’t be importing of save states, since it wouldn’t be a direct sequel. So, Reyes’ relationship with Ryder would need to be vague, and therefore he should appear personally detached from Ryder. Of course, such masking of true feelings would be easy for Reyes, but we the players would miss out on any potential reminiscing Reyes might have on Ryder. Especially if Ryder were long gone by the time of the sequel, he would probably hold some fond memories of them without the romance feeling like you're moving on someone still in mourning... I may love the thought of Reyes and Ryder together and thinking of Ryder gone makes me a bit sad, but if it worked in the game I'd very likely give it an overly melancholy try... That’s a good point, it would be more of a memory than a fresh wound. Or maybe they would’ve just separated amicably, which I see more probably than an angry breakup. Assuming their relationship survived High Noon, they probably won’t get easily fazed. I’d love to see a bittersweet scene with hints of Reyes being sad about Ryder having disappeared/died/gotten eaten by a black hole Cthulhu, but that’s not viable since they can be enemies/neutral too. No unnecessary drama, no lovey dovey bullshit (except that "he's better than you think" line), two complementing powers working together splendidly. Simply makes you want them to last so bad... Hey, I love that line, and Reyes’ reaction to it! Ryder’s being bit of a smitten fool, but that’s just fitting for my Scott. It’s one of the little things that Reyes’ affection towards Ryder is built upon. His grateful reaction is also an indication of how he doesn’t want to end up harming Ryder’s trust, which unfortunately leads to him agonizing over Ryder potentially losing that respect if the Charlatan charade was revealed. I'd like to see how the High Noon choice percentages would change if Reyes dared to reveal his identity in confidentiality to Ryder, before the High Noon. It's obviously understandable why he doesn't take such a risk, but nonetheless I believe a lot less people would go with Sloane if he did. You just give it a more accurate name. But the recruiter is, well, a recruiter and may paint the Collective in the most favorable light possible in order to get what he wants. And as far as Ryder knows the order of the day could change when they’re seen coming to the meeting as Sloane’s supposed ally (they’re there with her, aren’t they?), there’s a small chance the Collective may just open fire realizing too late who Ryder is (a small chance, I know, but can happen) or the cave can simply be booby trapped to high hells, in which case no attitude the Collective has towards Ryder helps. I don’t see how Ryder could be hundred percent sure to walk out of the negotiations unharmed, unless they have Reyes figured out from the very start and expect him to finally spit it out, perhaps (I mentioned this conversation to a friend today and she came up with this one) The only real guarantee Ryder has on this matter is being the PC, and our metagame knowledge... But yeah, hell, who cares, Ryder can stroll right onto an enemy general’s warship, so why not.... perhaps they’re secretly suicidal? All those points are good and valid, but IMO secondary when compared to the arguments pointing to the Collective being neutral towards Ryder. In real life, even these minor things would need to be taken into consideration, leading to Ryder declining Sloane’s invitation, but with such a mindset Ryder would never had signed onto the ill-thought Andromeda Initiative in the first place, let alone doing half of all the missions in the game. For a Mass Effect game, I think themes and characterizations matter more than technical what-ifs such as every single fight being a potential death.* Also Ryder is at an impasse, where they have no option but to accompany the blackmailing Sloane, even if the Collective is unaware of this. It’s a risk that has to be taken. *(I loved The Age of Decadence for the way it handles this; combat is always incredibly difficult and dangerous, and even if your character is a seasoned fighter, they can die in every single fight, meaning you have to consider hard starting shit with even some random weak street hobo. And if you’re a trader or something, it’s best and even necessary to play the game without getting into a single one fight. That’s not how MEA functions, however – if the Collective opens fire on Ryder and Sloane, then Ryder+2 will simply kill all the Collective in the cave, much like they kill every other merc group that they come across on their romp across Kadara’s wastes.) orchid But the thread slows down most considerably when you're absent... I'm afraid this is your first point that will have to be contested in its entirety. 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Post by Zitrus on Aug 25, 2017 21:28:17 GMT
Happy to see the thread is back in full swing. Speaking of SAM, which reply did you all choose when SAM asks about Reyes? On the first time, I went with the heart option, since I imagined Ryder being madly in love. The second time I picked the “shoulder to lean on” line, since I thought about Ryder being stressed and needing a dependable partner (and I wanted to see other dialogues). I always go with emotional, too. It just goes with the headspace I'm running with and that unsurety, that "I hope he feels the same" is entirely perfect for how I see things between them. I'll probably choose emotional as well when Sara The Second will be at this point, it fits nicely. I tried them all and the professional one is not bad, either. Heh, it just occurred to me it might be even funnier in reverse.. as in your alien LI harassing some random human because well, all humans look the same and some PCs actually change outfits and have nothing especially defining (save for renegade Shep, I guess) The imagined conversation afterwards.... Lol. They all need to wear some ID chip on their clothes so this doesn't happen. I'm all for him returning, just don't want to turn him into a cyberzombie or something who evades death . That's progress. My Scott is currently stranded on Eos and builds sandcastles. Alec is 56. Hopefully for them, they keep their 50s appearance for another 20-30 years. If you read this, Zitrus, no, no mercy for Jensen the twat. He’s unworthy. Nice of you to speak up for him though. Of course I'm reading this, I don't skip posts in here and I needed to see that mystery resolved^^. I even watched the scene again. Maybe not his smartest move but I don't find it so bad. He's a stoic ex-cop/SWAT agent. He doesn't attack people like her like that.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 25, 2017 23:34:19 GMT
Lol I saw you had liked my post, but hadn't replied yet, so I thought that the moment had passed and I was rambling about far too ancient stuff for anyone to deign to respond. The risk of abandoning the Internet for a few days. Hehe, well, as it happened I saw your post, liked it and proceeded to write and answer hoping I'd have it done by the time I have to get going somewhere else, and guess what, halfway through my time was up. It was all very dramatic... Aw. It would be much too of a lonely thing for Reyes to keep the pet shop without Ryder as the co-owner. One issue would be dealing with different paths Ryder can take. Even if we returned to Andromeda, there surely wouldn’t be importing of save states, since it wouldn’t be a direct sequel. So, Reyes’ relationship with Ryder would need to be vague, and therefore he should appear personally detached from Ryder. Of course, such masking of true feelings would be easy for Reyes, but we the players would miss out on any potential reminiscing Reyes might have on Ryder. At least he'd have those cute cloned doggos (and a fiend or two, expertly trained) to cheer him up and keep him occupied so that he felt a little better and a little less lonely. Or perhaps, the whole pet shop thing might work as an explanation where Ryder is... pissed off Tann, mutinied, quit their job and moved on to co-owning a pet shop (they might help supply it after all), fuck pathfinding Where is Ryder at the moment? Hunting for a new Andromeda dog-like species in some dark corner well behind the scene, nothing to be concerned about... It would be mighty weird if any choice taken in Andromeda wouldn't be regarded in at least the tiniest way though. A good way for the devs to bring another riot upon them... I'd expect something akin to Miranda's little interrogation in ME2 at least. Seems to me this particular Reyes thing would be rather easy to implement, it has been done before with some of the returning DA people who could have ended up unfriendly or even dead, in a way of some passing mentions. (And it's pretty sweet) That’s a good point, it would be more of a memory than a fresh wound. Or maybe they would’ve just separated amicably, which I see more probably than an angry breakup. Assuming their relationship survived High Noon, they probably won’t get easily fazed. I’d love to see a bittersweet scene with hints of Reyes being sad about Ryder having disappeared/died/gotten eaten by a black hole Cthulhu, but that’s not viable since they can be enemies/neutral too. Hey, you never know. Peple can do much more than be all secretive about their crime boss identity and then going gangster and shooting people in the back... what if Reyes did something real upsetting like stealing Ryder's pyjak and secretly auction it to the krogan or something I guess I'll be be quite disappointed if no villainous Cthulhu resident of the black hole actually makes an appearance Hey, I love that line, and Reyes’ reaction to it! Ryder’s being bit of a smitten fool, but that’s just fitting for my Scott. It’s one of the little things that Reyes’ affection towards Ryder is built upon. His grateful reaction is also an indication of how he doesn’t want to end up harming Ryder’s trust, which unfortunately leads to him agonizing over Ryder potentially losing that respect if the Charlatan charade was revealed. I'd like to see how the High Noon choice percentages would change if Reyes dared to reveal his identity in confidentiality to Ryder, before the High Noon. It's obviously understandable why he doesn't take such a risk, but nonetheless I believe a lot less people would go with Sloane if he did. Hmm, it may just be me being a terrible person, but I'd have a hard time speaking up in that vein for my best friend, not to mention someone I have known for several weeks at best and about whom I can't say anything at all with certainty. That would call for a god-like level of being smitten indeed to risk both exposing my feelings to a person whose mind I have no chance of changing and being taken for a fool in the very much possible case I'm wrong or don't see the whole picture. It really depends on the person/RP but this response mostly seems a little foolish to me given what Ryder knows of Reyes who doesn't even go to great lengths to make himself look less shady... I'd go for Ryder being foolish about Reyes in more sober cases anytime and would have hell of a time with it (it would be damn fun given her no-nonsense facade) but this is a bit too much of a leap of faith. It would actually be nice if perhaps there was a chance he'd make the reveal if he got on well enough with Ryder, and if not the High-noon would proceed as planned with Reyes a bitmore surprised if Ryder took his side after all. Don't know how the percentages would change in any case though, I'm almost willing to say that not too much, save for those pts where people vary their choices. Hmm, but then again, the intrigue and plotting to take Sloane down could seem interesting enough, so perhaps it's not that simple. Personally I'd love such a turn of events though, no getting pressured to keep any word, no quandaries for poor Ryder.... All those points are good and valid, but IMO secondary when compared to the arguments pointing to the Collective being neutral towards Ryder. In real life, even these minor things would need to be taken into consideration, leading to Ryder declining Sloane’s invitation, but with such a mindset Ryder would never had signed onto the ill-thought Andromeda Initiative in the first place, let alone doing half of all the missions in the game. For a Mass Effect game, I think themes and characterizations matter more than technical what-ifs such as every single fight being a potential death.* Also Ryder is at an impasse, where they have no option but to accompany the blackmailing Sloane, even if the Collective is unaware of this. It’s a risk that has to be taken. *(I loved The Age of Decadence for the way it handles this; combat is always incredibly difficult and dangerous, and even if your character is a seasoned fighter, they can die in every single fight, meaning you have to consider hard starting shit with even some random weak street hobo. And if you’re a trader or something, it’s best and even necessary to play the game without getting into a single one fight. That’s not how MEA functions, however – if the Collective opens fire on Ryder and Sloane, then Ryder+2 will simply kill all the Collective in the cave, much like they kill every other merc group that they come across on their romp across Kadara’s wastes.) Yeah, true, and fair enough with general point we're considering anyway, since why exactly any particular Ryder agrees to go is largely up to anyone's headcanon if they care to make one. But making up a nicely working characterization against a game setting with all the danger and nonsense included is a bit of a hobby of mine, so secondary (aka in-game) reasons are always somewhere close at hand and joining the fun. Aw, you’re being awfully unforgiving. Let me defend poor ol’ Adam a bit. Even if he has the social interaction augmentation and stuff, he’s still a security guy or an infiltrator first, and not a master level negotiator. I think? He knows perfectly well that the dragon queen is bullshitting, as his retorts and body language tells us, and as such he’s just thinking of a way to make her tell the truth, which he knows will be hard. He already disarmed her and he knows he can easily overpower her. His one mistake is not considering that she might have a panic room, which I think he can be forgiven. As for sexual frustration, surely not, since he swats her hand off at least once and doesn’t show any interest otherwise. He’s extremely private and reserved person (see how he habitually generates distance by crossing his arms), so intruding physically is probably an effective way to mess with him. I personally have simply frozen when I’ve been pawed at by a strange woman, it’s really nasty to experience. “A much stronger, taller man reacts like that to a small woman?” Sure, maybe it’s illogical, but human brain is funny and works in weird ways, can’t really be helped afaik. Maybe farfetched to apply these considerations in this vidya gaem cutscene, but based on my own experiences I can’t really blame Jensen too harshly here, certainly not enough to sentence him to death. Besides he’s handsome, surely that must earn him some clemency? Also maybe you expected too much of him to begin with; I see a lot of issues and insecurities in the poor man. Someone should give him a hug (with permission lol). Now by quitting the game you’ve missed so much fun… Think of all the Pricthard content you’ve missed. :smh: At one point it almost sounds like he likes Jensen. Also oh no, I’m not sure which quest you’re talking about and now I’m scared I’ve missed out on some content. :gasp: And I thought I’ve been so diligent. Only side quest I turned down was helping that drug thieving scientist at the beginning, since I wanted to be an upstanding citizen, so I hope that wasn’t it. EDIT: Lol I was playing a little while ago today and came across this, reminding me of your Pritchard's Tale: A hilarious coincidence, and all the more reason that you should give the game a second chance. Ah, this should be interesting If he knows she's bullshitting, he should also very well know why anyone would bullshit like that, i.e. trying to buy some time for whatever reason, one doesn't need a special augmentation for that. That's mostly what bugs me about it (trying to hold on to the point very hard as you make me feel sympathetic about him), all that damn time he gives her to retalliate. It just seems either incredibly stupid or over the line arrogant to be that sure he's got her that well cornered in her own seat of power no further actions from him are required, especially since she seems so uncharacteristically eager to yield and chat. That he might get her anytime is simply not good enough, given his chance of that is diminishing every moment he allows her to roam around as she pleases to possibly touch any security button or an emergency dial or grab some surprise weaponry with her free hands (he's a security specialist, so surely he's heard of alarms, traps and other security measures, he might have even tripped over some of them on his way in, right?). It's her house, she knows what's what in there while he doesn't really have a clue yet still he acts (or seems to) as if he were the damn boss around there... and he lets all that prattle and movement distract him in a less than professional way. The sexual frustration part was largely not meant seriously though. I noticed the body language too, and didn't really suspect anything but that really did nothing to stop the thought as it was just convenient and for the hell of it. Also, it might have been in accordance with what the dragon queen was hinting at at the moment... which probably was the worst of all anyway. I'm stuck with a dumb male who lets his enemies run free the moment he has them, the lauging stock of all evil corporations in all the big wicked world and it's completely unavoidable, oh fuck... Wait, that actually happens? I have never become a victim of being pawed by unknown females and it will probably never happen unless they're being downright deviant, but I get what you mean by the freezing part nevertheless, never looked at the Jensen incident from this particular point of view. Makes me strangely sympathetic he'd just be too uncomfortable to act. But good looking? Muhehe, my friend, I don't work like that, no clemency for handsomeness. A fool's a fool no matter how good he looks. If there's something redeeming about all this it's your playing on my feelings and Zitrus' good word. I'm not sure a hug is a good way to cheer such a person up though, not everyone is cheered by people violating their personal space with even the best of intentions. I encountered the investigation stuff in a computer around the company, not sure which one, during the quest with the drugs going missing from the storage (you get it via e-mail if I remember correctly), there were messages about Pritchard and some other guy trying to get on the bottom of something before Jensen does, pretty funny as I recall. That's just perfect, you know. The idiots at Picus don't know what they're missing but it's nice to know Pritchard has already considered it and would approve of it. Who would have guessed. But hey, if Jensen can be a protagonist, why not him? Edit: Nice to see you too, Zitrus, you seem to have the most unprecedented ability to ninja me
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Post by orchid on Aug 26, 2017 15:04:33 GMT
I'll probably choose emotional as well when Sara The Second will be at this point, it fits nicely. I tried them all and the professional one is not bad, either. What do prof and casual say? Heh, it just occurred to me it might be even funnier in reverse.. as in your alien LI harassing some random human because well, all humans look the same and some PCs actually change outfits and have nothing especially defining (save for renegade Shep, I guess) The imagined conversation afterwards.... Lol. They all need to wear some ID chip on their clothes so this doesn't happen. Just date an alien with ~a voice~ (aka Garrus), and all these issues are sidestepped. Who will your Scott romance, provided he first escapes the barren and sandy Eos? At least he'd have those cute cloned doggos (and a fiend or two, expertly trained) to cheer him up and keep him occupied so that he felt a little better and a little less lonely. Or perhaps, the whole pet shop thing might work as an explanation where Ryder is... pissed off Tann, mutinied, quit their job and moved on to co-owning a pet shop (they might help supply it after all), fuck pathfinding Where is Ryder at the moment? Hunting for a new Andromeda dog-like species in some dark corner well behind the scene, nothing to be concerned about... A retired Ryder would be nicer, indeed, and easier on my heart. Yet I think the Tempest disappearing into the black hole would work better, since it would give Ryder an air of mystery and explain why bad characters with package, like Pissbee, wouldn’t be around anymore. Also it could lead to some bittersweet narrative of Reyes looking for them, at first sending Collective covert ops after them only for them to disappear too, and later just collating all data available and trying to figure out anything useful. And if he was cold on Ryder or downright an enemy, there still would be reasons to figure such a mysterious, potential looming threat out. It would be mighty weird if any choice taken in Andromeda wouldn't be regarded in at least the tiniest way though. A good way for the devs to bring another riot upon them... I'd expect something akin to Miranda's little interrogation in ME2 at least. Seems to me this particular Reyes thing would be rather easy to implement, it has been done before with some of the returning DA people who could have ended up unfriendly or even dead, in a way of some passing mentions. (And it's pretty sweet) I agree, but we come upon the not one DLC thing again… It seems they want to bury everything, and if so, upon eventual emergence they’ll want a wholly new thing for the new ME, which means not starting at the chargen by doing an import or even quizzing the PC about what happened before. It’ll be so many years that nobody will remember their choices, except maybe their LI at tops. I haven’t played any Dragon Ages, so maybe there’s a precedent for importing saves for new protags that works well. If so, then I do hope they’d implement it. :smiles: Frankly though I don’t believe there’s any intention of another ME game atm, no matter the setting. Once a lot of time has passed and if Anthem/next DA have been decent successes, they might reevaluate the franchise. But by then, there probably won’t be much interest in MEA left, and they won’t see any need to tie the tangling plot threads. In five to ten years, who’s going to care about who made the scourge and why? I mean, I don't care much even now, I must confess. Hey, you never know. Peple can do much more than be all secretive about their crime boss identity and then going gangster and shooting people in the back... what if Reyes did something real upsetting like stealing Ryder's pyjak and secretly auction it to the krogan or something I guess I'll be be quite disappointed if no villainous Cthulhu resident of the black hole actually makes an appearance The black hole just sits there all the game. Something’s gotta be up. I don’t have the pyjak edition of MEA and just as well, because I find those monkeys gross. Reyes is welcome to sell it, it’s just practice for the future pet shop ownership. It’s not like you could stay mad at him when he gives you the sad puppy eyes, anyway. Hmm, it may just be me being a terrible person, but I'd have a hard time speaking up in that vein for my best friend, not to mention someone I have known for several weeks at best and about whom I can't say anything at all with certainty. That would call for a god-like level of being smitten indeed to risk both exposing my feelings to a person whose mind I have no chance of changing and being taken for a fool in the very much possible case I'm wrong or don't see the whole picture. It really depends on the person/RP but this response mostly seems a little foolish to me given what Ryder knows of Reyes who doesn't even go to great lengths to make himself look less shady... I'd go for Ryder being foolish about Reyes in more sober cases anytime and would have hell of a time with it (it would be damn fun given her no-nonsense facade) but this is a bit too much of a leap of faith. Zia’s saying that Reyes doesn’t have any friends, and if you pick the flirty option, it’s safe to assume that your Ryder is his friend, ergo argument invalid, Zia! And if the two of them are friends, that makes it natural for Ryder to assume that Reyes is better than what Zia seems to assume, aka Reyes being total and utter shit, no redeeming qualities whatsoever – but here Ryder thinks he’s good enough for a friend/lover, so automatically there’s something good about them. So it’s not even saying that Reyes is an angel (tho he totally is~ :hearteyes: ). But my Ryder is totally smitten and dangerously blinded by love anyway. It would actually be nice if perhaps there was a chance he'd make the reveal if he got on well enough with Ryder, and if not the High-noon would proceed as planned with Reyes a bitmore surprised if Ryder took his side after all. Don't know how the percentages would change in any case though, I'm almost willing to say that not too much, save for those pts where people vary their choices. Hmm, but then again, the intrigue and plotting to take Sloane down could seem interesting enough, so perhaps it's not that simple. Personally I'd love such a turn of events though, no getting pressured to keep any word, no quandaries for poor Ryder.... Yeah, I’ve seen plenty of posts by people who say they’d rather pick Reyes, but don’t approve of his methods. Also the bolded part, that's an excellent observation too; if the paths diverged earlier, that would be a fascinating path for a sneakier Ryder and I bet it would suck plenty of players in. I suspect that if there was time to get used to the idea, allowing people to compare the two options clinically (heads on spikes vs no heads on spikes, developing drug vs not doing that, deranged traitor crime boss with a grudge vs. shady ruthlessly ambitious crime boss etc.) instead of just a gut reaction, some of them might come to a different conclusion, going both ways of course. Maybe? I also remember reading posts of reddit by people who, believe it or not, actually assumed that they could keep on dating Reyes without a hitch despite siding with Sloane. “Hi honey, hope you don’t mind I ruined your months long plans, blew your cover and essentially doomed you to be hunted until death – wanna go catch Blasto VIII later tonite? ” In general, I think advance knowledge might work to mellow plenty of people out a bit.
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 26, 2017 20:21:45 GMT
Edit: Nice to see you too, Zitrus, you seem to have the most unprecedented ability to ninja me I honed my ninja skills in all those stealth games. What do prof and casual say? Professional says that it's not something you put in context but rather something you just feel. Casual is that they're just having a good time. Haha, right. We're too focused on the visuals. Cora is the plan. Maybe if he flirts with her she'll talk less about the asari. I'll let him be a bit flirty with the others too, but I'll try not to break their pixel hearts. So there is a slight chance it'll go different as planned. This will also be the Sloane playthrough. "Did you guess the scene correctly? I was madder at Jensen when he told that rich guy that his employee had told him secret info, and after coaxing her to do that, too; great job getting the perfectly nice girl into trouble, Adam. Currently I’m agonizing whether or not to upgrade the chip. Not doing it seems really bad since I fear I’ll glitch at some critical moment, but I don’t want some nefarious Tai Yong Medical manufactured chip either (I saw the emails on that order!). No^^. I remembered skulking around her place but the scene actually only when I watched it again. It doesn't help that while I liked the game I only played through it once. Ah this choice, yes. I walked the city a bit and thought it over. I was satisfied with my choice later on.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 26, 2017 23:30:17 GMT
I'm all for him returning, just don't want to turn him into a cyberzombie or something who evades death . That's progress. My Scott is currently stranded on Eos and builds sandcastles. A cyberzombie Reyes, lol. Or a brain in the jar Reyes... Not what I had in mind though, I was more about the traditional unaging keep-looking-swell-for-centuries-to-come because-I-cheated-Death-personally immortality stuff. Lol. They all need to wear some ID chip on their clothes so this doesn't happen. Just date an alien with ~a voice~ (aka Garrus), and all these issues are sidestepped. Who will your Scott romance, provided he first escapes the barren and sandy Eos? Voice doesn't help when you're looking about, searching for your LI in the crowd... rocket scars in the face are quite another story, so we can hope that at least Garrus makes a welcome exception to these issues. ID chip seems sound, though, and perhaps SAM could help too... and when technology fails, there's always t-shirts with names on them... or little flags you can wave around, I guess Hehe, it just occurred to me that if somebody happened to roam in, asking us to say why they should pick Reyes as their romance (saw it happen on the other threads), there will be a very glaring pro: romance Reyes, you'll not run into interspecies incidents and recognition trouble A retired Ryder would be nicer, indeed, and easier on my heart. Yet I think the Tempest disappearing into the black hole would work better, since it would give Ryder an air of mystery and explain why bad characters with package, like Pissbee, wouldn’t be around anymore. Also it could lead to some bittersweet narrative of Reyes looking for them, at first sending Collective covert ops after them only for them to disappear too, and later just collating all data available and trying to figure out anything useful. And if he was cold on Ryder or downright an enemy, there still would be reasons to figure such a mysterious, potential looming threat out. Yep, it seems more humane then having them eaten by a cthuhu thing or just vanished into the dark space but I don't know how much easier it would really get, I hate to leave my PCs one way or another and knowing Ryder does nothing these days because the previous game met with bad reviews would sort of kill the mood anyway. That would be sweet. In the former case, not the latter of course. (Wonder how far he's actually be able to go to help Ryder) Theoretically he might even still be looking (with whatever intensity) in the very hypothetical sequel, perhaps stumbling upon the cthulhus or some other major threat, wchih would lead to him reaching out to the new protagonists... might be even interesting if the next PC would work for him/with him at least, similarly as does Shepard for the Illusive man. I agree, but we come upon the not one DLC thing again… It seems they want to bury everything, and if so, upon eventual emergence they’ll want a wholly new thing for the new ME, which means not starting at the chargen by doing an import or even quizzing the PC about what happened before. It’ll be so many years that nobody will remember their choices, except maybe their LI at tops. I haven’t played any Dragon Ages, so maybe there’s a precedent for importing saves for new protags that works well. If so, then I do hope they’d implement it. :smiles: Frankly though I don’t believe there’s any intention of another ME game atm, no matter the setting. Once a lot of time has passed and if Anthem/next DA have been decent successes, they might reevaluate the franchise. But by then, there probably won’t be much interest in MEA left, and they won’t see any need to tie the tangling plot threads. In five to ten years, who’s going to care about who made the scourge and why? I mean, I don't care much even now, I must confess. "Three heavy stones will keep it from floating" (Aurelio Voltaire. I was somehw reminded of it when imagining the devs burying MEA) But really, this is not fun, this is some high level pessimism. Not unfounded though but if the next ME started somewhere completely different, I'd be pretty skeptical about it. I would even think it would be better for them never to return that way and make a new IP altogether, returningto my claims from when I heard about MEA for the first time "Shepard's dead, how good can it be?" With the dangling threads it's not that much about caring but about the sheer fact the answer was probably never even written. I don't like it when stories go unfinished, no matter how interesting they actually are. DA has a new PC each game and your previous choices still carry over. (It's also pretty fun to try, at least the first two, while many would disagree with me DAI has the most irritating crew in any BW game ever and is only made to stand out in any way by the last DLC) Seriously it would be pretty weird to not have any sort of continuity a game by BW but I guess anything's possible in this case. The black hole just sits there all the game. Something’s gotta be up. I don’t have the pyjak edition of MEA and just as well, because I find those monkeys gross. Reyes is welcome to sell it, it’s just practice for the future pet shop ownership. It’s not like you could stay mad at him when he gives you the sad puppy eyes, anyway. Hehe, sure, it can't just sit there for no reason, it's too suspicious. They're not gross, they're irritating and great at hiding data modules (I laughed my way through that quest the first time I got it) and being target dummies for Krogan cannons. In emergency cases they can be thrown at people... or eaten. Or offered as a sacrifice Not my first choice of a space pet, but hell, should I have left it to rot in the cage? True about the pet shop Actually Krogan demand of pyjaks could make good source of money on the side... But it was all supposed to hint at Reyes doing something really sinister behined Ryder's back anyway. Zia’s saying that Reyes doesn’t have any friends, and if you pick the flirty option, it’s safe to assume that your Ryder is his friend, ergo argument invalid, Zia! And if the two of them are friends, that makes it natural for Ryder to assume that Reyes is better than what Zia seems to assume, aka Reyes being total and utter shit, no redeeming qualities whatsoever – but here Ryder thinks he’s good enough for a friend/lover, so automatically there’s something good about them. So it’s not even saying that Reyes is an angel (tho he totally is~ :hearteyes: ). But my Ryder is totally smitten and dangerously blinded by love anyway. Lol, so it's all about proving Zia wrong I don't think she's clever enough to get that hint, the only conclusion she'll probably arrive at in her last minutes is that Reyes has Ryder completely wrapped around his finger, but then who the fuck cares about Zia, right? I never suspected that Ryder's calling Reyes unfailingly good by that, better as in "good enough for me" actually works well as an intepretation of that line, but really, if there's one really impulsive, purely emotion-based thing to say in the whole game... Still, I'd be quite interested in hearing what Reyes must be thinking when Ryder says that... Hmm, why is is that dangerously blinded by love makes me imagine dreamy Ryder driving off a cliff? Yeah, I’ve seen plenty of posts by people who say they’d rather pick Reyes, but don’t approve of his methods. Also the bolded part, that's an excellent observation too; if the paths diverged earlier, that would be a fascinating path for a sneakier Ryder and I bet it would suck plenty of players in. I suspect that if there was time to get used to the idea, allowing people to compare the two options clinically (heads on spikes vs no heads on spikes, developing drug vs not doing that, deranged traitor crime boss with a grudge vs. shady ruthlessly ambitious crime boss etc.) instead of just a gut reaction, some of them might come to a different conclusion, going both ways of course. Maybe? I also remember reading posts of reddit by people who, believe it or not, actually assumed that they could keep on dating Reyes without a hitch despite siding with Sloane. “Hi honey, hope you don’t mind I ruined your months long plans, blew your cover and essentially doomed you to be hunted until death – wanna go catch Blasto VIII later tonite? ” In general, I think advance knowledge might work to mellow plenty of people out a bit. Well, it's not often we're given a chance to snekily plot someone's demise and a coup. It might work. But I'm not sure it would work on the people who don't like Reyes' methods, since there would still be plenty of those... actually, I don't know how anyone can not approve of his methods and want him in power unless they expect him to suddenly see the light and change his ways or something, but I haven't actually read these posts, perhaps they make sense. Anyway, what do you think would have to happen were Ryder to decline Reyes' offer, though? That doesn't seems like something that ends well for any party involved... Hey, a few head on spikes never killed anyone But I reckon the other shit Sloane does is pretty bad. I'm still not sure how many would really consider all of it clinically given the option and not just in a like/don't like this guy enough to help him fashion, but perhaps Reyes could get to talk about his motives/plans to induce that manner of thinking. Though if people started to really consider their options in the bolded part vein, there would probably be quite a call for a panic button or an option to kill them both before they are murdered All of that said, including the fact that I'd really support and love such diverging paths were they a thing, the gut reaction way has its pros too. There has been plenty of deciding what's better for the greater good of innocent villagers and this seems to shift focus on another things (aka the Mr. Sniper guy ploy), or making you think really really fast about your options... Lol, what's to say, some people are really pretty delusional... or as impossibly casual as they come. Ah, this should be interesting If he knows she's bullshitting, he should also very well know why anyone would bullshit like that, i.e. trying to buy some time for whatever reason, one doesn't need a special augmentation for that. That's mostly what bugs me about it (trying to hold on to the point very hard as you make me feel sympathetic about him), all that damn time he gives her to retalliate. It just seems either incredibly stupid or over the line arrogant to be that sure he's got her that well cornered in her own seat of power no further actions from him are required, especially since she seems so uncharacteristically eager to yield and chat. That he might get her anytime is simply not good enough, given his chance of that is diminishing every moment he allows her to roam around as she pleases to possibly touch any security button or an emergency dial or grab some surprise weaponry with her free hands (he's a security specialist, so surely he's heard of alarms, traps and other security measures, he might have even tripped over some of them on his way in, right?). It's her house, she knows what's what in there while he doesn't really have a clue yet still he acts (or seems to) as if he were the damn boss around there... and he lets all that prattle and movement distract him in a less than professional way. Well, keep in mind that we’re not trying to claim that he was being smart, but that it’s human for him to blunder every once in a while and that there are mitigating circumstances at play. And Zitrus put it into words better, too. Regardless, he did get extremely crucial information out of this mission leading him onward. It wasn’t a total shitshow. Relating to which, my eyeroll at the scene (and at the dragon queen’s “lol men” comment) was directed more at the writer than poor Jensen. It seems like a mediocre piece of writing produced in order to make the story roll forward, but even so it’s not nearly as bad as most of video game writing. Mass Effect games alone have had far worse writing forcing the PC to be an utter idiot, so even though HR has dumb things (FEMA? I’m not American, but isn’t that like the disaster relief arm of the government? I’ve seen insane right wingers rant about it, making it a rather “uhhh” thing to see as an enemy in a game… although I seem to remember it was there already in the original Deus Ex fifty thousand years ago, so)… uh where was I? Anyway, forgetting all that, can't you at least agree that Jensen doesn’t deserve to die for one mistake? Especially considering how rough he’s having it. The side mission about his childhood is making me really sad. The sexual frustration part was largely not meant seriously though. I noticed the body language too, and didn't really suspect anything but that really did nothing to stop the thought as it was just convenient and for the hell of it. Also, it might have been in accordance with what the dragon queen was hinting at at the moment... which probably was the worst of all anyway. I'm stuck with a dumb male who lets his enemies run free the moment he has them, the lauging stock of all evil corporations in all the big wicked world and it's completely unavoidable, oh fuck... Wait, that actually happens? I have never become a victim of being pawed by unknown females and it will probably never happen unless they're being downright deviant, but I get what you mean by the freezing part nevertheless, never looked at the Jensen incident from this particular point of view. Makes me strangely sympathetic he'd just be too uncomfortable to act. Does what happen, sexual harassment? Yes? Now, as Zitrus said the deal’s of course more about him just being extremely stoic rather than him freezing out of panic, but nonetheless I think it’s uncharitable to blame him for not responding “correctly” to being pawed at. ( Don't worry, I know we're discussing a mere piece of fiction. ) Do you blame Ryder for not instantly shoving PB off after she straddles his/her crotch, or do you blame the writers who were like “how could anyone want to push off a blue girl-alien? she has tits!”? At least the “dumb male” crap should be cut out, especially since if he was thinking of any woman, it was probably the dead waifu that he just had learned wasn’t dead after all, which means he was probably under a million different varieties of stress. We can see how agitated he is inwardly during that scene. I’m sure the unwelcome fondling made him all the more uncomfortable and vexed, which is of course why the dragon lady did it in the first place. But good looking? Muhehe, my friend, I don't work like that, no clemency for handsomeness. A fool's a fool no matter how good he looks. If there's something redeeming about all this it's your playing on my feelings and Zitrus' good word. I'm not sure a hug is a good way to cheer such a person up though, not everyone is cheered by people violating their personal space with even the best of intentions. I encountered the investigation stuff in a computer around the company, not sure which one, during the quest with the drugs going missing from the storage (you get it via e-mail if I remember correctly), there were messages about Pritchard and some other guy trying to get on the bottom of something before Jensen does, pretty funny as I recall. No wonder Reyes gets no mercy from you neither, your heart is made of stone. But please, I plainly said “with permission” - only hugs that are welcome. ❀ Although I’m not sure there’s anybody he’s close enough to get one, the poor bastard. Oh yeah, I think I remember seeing some of those mails. It didn’t come up as a side quest in the journal, so I just half-assedly looked around a bit and then went on with the urgent super important main missions looming over me. Of course I'm reading this, I don't skip posts in here and I needed to see that mystery resolved^^. I even watched the scene again. Maybe not his smartest move but I don't find it so bad. He's a stoic ex-cop/SWAT agent. He doesn't attack people like her like that. Did you guess the scene correctly? I was madder at Jensen when he told that rich guy that his employee had told him secret info, and after coaxing her to do that, too; great job getting the perfectly nice girl into trouble, Adam. Currently I’m agonizing whether or not to upgrade the chip. Not doing it seems really bad since I fear I’ll glitch at some critical moment, but I don’t want some nefarious Tai Yong Medical manufactured chip either (I saw the emails on that order!). Nope, I'm not arguing Jensen should die for his blunder anymore. I wasn't about to argue for it after your first post on his behalf. I might not even be arguing he's an idiot but I think I'll hold on to a greatly lessened version of it since we're once again back with "stoicism" in regard of his safety and success of his misson altogether. That was hardly a time to be stoical, that was time to do something, not even necessarily something cripplingly violent. Standing about was no way to move forward. Weird but otherwise I guess I really didn't consider the human side to all this. Or not that weird after all, when it comes to characters I see them as little pieces of fiction first and foremost and may get pretty heartless when they act, well, like humans. This isn't the first time I'd get irrational about such a thing, cooling down and taking a rational (or sympathetic) look on it mostly dispels both my point and my willingness to defend it, I reckon. Of course I realize this was a way to move the plot forward and begin a slightly different change of tone in the mission in the first place. Stupid shit like that happens in games, yep, I'm well used to that, that's why I like to think I've only played four genuinely good games in my life... (and in one of them you are actually forced to make two sky high-level shitty decisions too) but only rarely it gets so horrible it makes me lose my judgment. Flatterer Reyes has the advantage of being far more than his good looks, though, and I don't really remember being unmerciful towards him (yeah, yeah, I did two pro-Sloane pts but come on... ) I know what permission only hug means, I was just trying to doubt whether getting cheered up by hugs is that universal. If someone is not all that partial on physical contact, more of it will hardly help them feel better. Perhaps Pritchard could give him a hug, though, that would be hilarious. Lol, urgent stuff, you say? More urgent than uncovering Pritchard's adventures? Bahh, who cares about saving humanity from itself or whatever, let's loot all the storage compartments in lower Hengsha!!
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Post by tehprincessj on Aug 26, 2017 23:35:48 GMT
Share a headcanon thought to make those suspicions go away? Keep in mind that I'm in love with Harry, but he clearly stays with the twin that needs him the most because "we can't lose another Ryder". If that means you ship him with his charge, it makes it very easy to imagine that he stays to take care of said twin because that's most important to him. If you happen to ship him with the Pathfinder Ryder, you can headcanon he stays off the ship for OMG unethical!!! reasons. These are the things I tell myself. Don't judge me.I’d love to see a bittersweet scene with hints of Reyes being sad about Ryder having disappeared/died/gotten eaten by a black hole Cthulhu, but that’s not viable since they can be enemies/neutral too. So like, in KotOR? Where Carth or Bastila just pines for Revan and we learn later that they die alone and unknowing? After Dragon Age Origins, I'm a bit tired of the old "and PC disappeared, never to be seen again!". Can't we just imagine that wherever Ryder is, Reyes is there, too? I want more Reyes, I do, but mostly for my Ryder's sake. This also made me so angry in Inquisition. I can see how Anders and Sebastian have reasons for not being with Hawke during that game's events, but Merrill, Isabela, and Fenris should have no business being anywhere else. Also, guys, guys! I had somebody make cover art for my fic: Source.I'm going to be posting the last next piece tomorrow morning (too tired from catching up here to proofread tonight and it's been written for like 2 weeks).
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Post by orchid on Aug 27, 2017 15:44:23 GMT
*sigh* I already miss Reyes. Maybe if I just rushed the post-Kadara stuff in order to meet him again during the final fight ASAP... Professional says that it's not something you put in context but rather something you just feel. Casual is that they're just having a good time. - This will also be the Sloane playthrough. Figures those two options would be boring. But it’s good that the casual option exists in case someone is RPing a noncommittal fling. I don’t think I’d be able to do a Sloane PT. Not because of Reyes even, but because Sloane just irks me too goddamn much. At least we should get some Kaetus content out of supporting her. Hehe, it just occurred to me that if somebody happened to roam in, asking us to say why they should pick Reyes as their romance (saw it happen on the other threads), there will be a very glaring pro: romance Reyes, you'll not run into interspecies incidents and recognition trouble That’s a funny thing to ask. I wonder though, if someone hasn’t been hooked by the time Reyes winks at Ryder, is there any chance of him growing on you to a degree of romancing him? He seems such a divisive character, that I’d imagine it’s almost instantaneous if you decide to romance him. But maybe that was just my experience. But it was all supposed to hint at Reyes doing something really sinister behined Ryder's back anyway. That would have to be something really nasty. Cheating on Ryder? Yet I don’t think Reyes would do that. They didn’t even have sex until after the High Noon, so he’s rather careful about doing such things right. What else. It could be a situation where he’d put Ryder in a hard place between the interests of the Collective and the Initiative, like causing Ryder to be implicit in something detrimental towards the AI. Something that would make the Nexus question Ryder’s loyalties or suspect that she/he is corrupt. On the other hand, Reyes has got to be smart about the trouble he could land in such a situation, and I think he’d be cautious against doing anything like that. What break-up worthy do you think he might do? Lol, so it's all about proving Zia wrong I don't think she's clever enough to get that hint, the only conclusion she'll probably arrive at in her last minutes is that Reyes has Ryder completely wrapped around his finger, but then who the fuck cares about Zia, right? I never suspected that Ryder's calling Reyes unfailingly good by that, better as in "good enough for me" actually works well as an intepretation of that line, but really, if there's one really impulsive, purely emotion-based thing to say in the whole game... Still, I'd be quite interested in hearing what Reyes must be thinking when Ryder says that... Hmm, why is is that dangerously blinded by love makes me imagine dreamy Ryder driving off a cliff? Haa, I should’ve included that in my perma-smile comic as the last panel. On a more serious note, I’m imagining a situation where Ryder turns a blind eye to Reyes doing something terrible, like a murder of someone less shitty than Sloane, out of love. Suppose it turned out Reyes was hired as an assassin by the Benefactor or something of such nature? And Ryder found out, and Reyes asked for a cover-up? Just an example, I really wouldn’t want Reyes to be Garson’s murderer, but something of similar nature. As said, I think that exchange was one of the important moments for Reyes in his falling for Ryder. You can tell by the sharp turn of his head that he’s surprised to hear Ryder say something like that. Like Keema was able to tell, Reyes really is agonizing over having to keep his identity secret. And if Reyes is dumped, he says that “I tried to be [the man Ryder thought he was]”, meaning he didn’t take Ryder’s confidence in him lightly. So I don’t think it’s just Ryder being a love-struck fool (or only that ), it’s that Reyes genuinely is better than what Zia thinks. Well, it's not often we're given a chance to snekily plot someone's demise and a coup. It might work. But I'm not sure it would work on the people who don't like Reyes' methods, since there would still be plenty of those... actually, I don't know how anyone can not approve of his methods and want him in power unless they expect him to suddenly see the light and change his ways or something, but I haven't actually read these posts, perhaps they make sense. Anyway, what do you think would have to happen were Ryder to decline Reyes' offer, though? That doesn't seems like something that ends well for any party involved... Yeah, that would require Obsidian level branching, and BioWare does not do that. Though if people started to really consider their options in the bolded part vein, there would probably be quite a call for a panic button or an option to kill them both before they are murdered You mean people aren’t utterly enthralled by the shady, Machiavellian spymaster-ish crime lord? So like, in KotOR? Where Carth or Bastila just pines for Revan and we learn later that they die alone and unknowing? After Dragon Age Origins, I'm a bit tired of the old "and PC disappeared, never to be seen again!". Can't we just imagine that wherever Ryder is, Reyes is there, too? I want more Reyes, I do, but mostly for my Ryder's sake. This also made me so angry in Inquisition. I can see how Anders and Sebastian have reasons for not being with Hawke during that game's events, but Merrill, Isabela, and Fenris should have no business being anywhere else. Also, guys, guys! I had somebody make cover art for my fic: Source.I'm going to be posting the last next piece tomorrow morning (too tired from catching up here to proofread tonight and it's been written for like 2 weeks). Hmm, true, it would be very similar to Revan. Not too many ways to resolve such a continuation gracefully, I suppose. And your second point is a fair one too; if there’s no Ryder, is there any point to having Reyes either? Ooo, a new chapter, nice. Is that art made in poser? Looks like Ryder got some, um, enhancements. Oh, the drinks behind them are a nice touch. They're a stylish couple here.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 28, 2017 1:06:14 GMT
I honed my ninja skills in all those stealth games. Yep, that explains it all. You've obviously learned well. So like, in KotOR? Where Carth or Bastila just pines for Revan and we learn later that they die alone and unknowing? After Dragon Age Origins, I'm a bit tired of the old "and PC disappeared, never to be seen again!". Can't we just imagine that wherever Ryder is, Reyes is there, too? I want more Reyes, I do, but mostly for my Ryder's sake. This also made me so angry in Inquisition. I can see how Anders and Sebastian have reasons for not being with Hawke during that game's events, but Merrill, Isabela, and Fenris should have no business being anywhere else. Also, guys, guys! I had somebody make cover art for my fic: Source.I'm going to be posting the last next piece tomorrow morning (too tired from catching up here to proofread tonight and it's been written for like 2 weeks). Isabella can be excused too, she's hard to keep in one place but Fenris and Merill make no damn sense whatsoever. But it's still the minor offense in comparison with someone turning my dear sarcastic chaotic good protagonist into a complete and utter moron. Hope it doesn't occur to anybody to do a similar thing to Ryder. But by now the PC disappearance is such a trope that if there's ever another ME not featuring Ryder, they will surely have mysteriously disappeared. That's some lovely art... they both look great in there. But how does something like that get pulled off? Yay, is the new chapter going to be the alone in the shuttle one? Might be good... *sigh* I already miss Reyes. Maybe if I just rushed the post-Kadara stuff in order to meet him again during the final fight ASAP... Seems sound Definitely better than nothing. Figures those two options would be boring. But it’s good that the casual option exists in case someone is RPing a noncommittal fling.I don’t think I’d be able to do a Sloane PT. Not because of Reyes even, but because Sloane just irks me too goddamn much. At least we should get some Kaetus content out of supporting her. It has other uses too, such as Ryder brushing off their AI's nosey personal questions. It's unsure where it reports its findings anyway... But the addtional Kaetus content you mention includes exactly one question and a datapad, which is probably not much of a payoff. I can't even recall if he appears in the final battle. That’s a funny thing to ask. I wonder though, if someone hasn’t been hooked by the time Reyes winks at Ryder, is there any chance of him growing on you to a degree of romancing him? He seems such a divisive character, that I’d imagine it’s almost instantaneous if you decide to romance him. But maybe that was just my experience. Yeah, quite funny, you'd say everyone would like to decide these things for themselves.. but some people don't feel strongly about the characters and just want their achievement with minimal annoyance, perhaps. But I'd definitely say it's possible for him to grow on you even in the little time he has. Happened to me, keeps happening to me actually (with Reyes. That guy just seems the more intriguing the mor one thinks about him... and there's been lots of thinking about him going on this summer ). I don't know if I've ever chosen a LI for my character without several scenes passing anyway. Unless someone gets extremely turned off by winks, I don't see why not. If Reyes is divisive, surely it's not because of that one scene? That would have to be something really nasty. Cheating on Ryder? Yet I don’t think Reyes would do that. They didn’t even have sex until after the High Noon, so he’s rather careful about doing such things right. What else. It could be a situation where he’d put Ryder in a hard place between the interests of the Collective and the Initiative, like causing Ryder to be implicit in something detrimental towards the AI. Something that would make the Nexus question Ryder’s loyalties or suspect that she/he is corrupt. On the other hand, Reyes has got to be smart about the trouble he could land in such a situation, and I think he’d be cautious against doing anything like that. What break-up worthy do you think he might do? Hmm, that's actually harder to say than it looks... If we consider that Ryder should be pretty much prepared for anything after High noon (practicality) and Reyes won't act to endanger the relationship, what's the worst that can happen? (Heh, that's why I fell back on joking when I mentioned it, I guess) The divided loyalties seem likely, but I can't imagine such a situation. The Collective are spies and maybe information brokers and Nexus is more like a single faction in no real competition with anyone such a business can profit from (they probably won't deal MW secrets to the Kett or the Black hole Cthulhu). Can't imagine how they could damage the AI in any notable fashion. It would be nice to think they aren't even stealing from the Nexus anymore either so here would such a conflict arise from? I can see Ryder having problems with the Nexus leadership being suspicious about their affair with Reyes indeed, but if that would damage their relationship, it would have to be due to Ryder and their need to stay on the Nexus' good side, which would be quite jerky of Ryder, really... On the other hand what if Reyes got into such divided loyalties conflict? I guess the Collective is still more vulnerable than the Nexus in a way... one would suspect that with the care Reyes seems to put into the relationship he'd have some trouble cutting Ryder loose should working with them turn unprofitable/detrimental for him or his operation, but then he's always admitted being greedy... Not that I could imagine any such case either. The AI's and the Collective' activities and interests simply don't seem to cross for the time being... That said, I like your murder suggestion, that would make sense. I can totally imagine Ryder doing something like that though. If they agreed to Reyes killing Sloane it could seem like they care more about Reyes than his methods. It could even work with the faction conflict, as in someone important to the AI messed with the Collective too in some way, got what was coming to them, Ryder knew and did nothing once again... drama incoming. Could that be break-up worthy? I don't know, I'd like to think Ryder knows what their lover is about and can deal with it accordingly. Hmmm, perhaps the only thing I can really imagine to sour things would be Reyes/the Collective (perhaps even unwittingly) harming someone else Ryder cares about (like their twin) that seems like the only plausible thing worth some rethiking on Ryder's part... And by the way, I'd totally hate it if it were Reyes who killed Garson. It would just feel foolishly convenient, as in he's there and he's shady, of course he's the murderer. He also traveled in time for the hell of it, gave the Leviathan AI ideas and created the scourge in the meantime... Bah, I hate this kind of narrative. As said, I think that exchange was one of the important moments for Reyes in his falling for Ryder. You can tell by the sharp turn of his head that he’s surprised to hear Ryder say something like that. Like Keema was able to tell, Reyes really is agonizing over having to keep his identity secret. And if Reyes is dumped, he says that “I tried to be [the man Ryder thought he was]”, meaning he didn’t take Ryder’s confidence in him lightly. So I don’t think it’s just Ryder being a love-struck fool (or only that ), it’s that Reyes genuinely is better than what Zia thinks. Well, he most likely really is better than Zia would give him credit for but Ryder can in no way be sure of that at that point But hey, anyone is entitled to their lucky guess once in a while. As I recall it's like the only time he seems real upset (when he snaps at Zia, quite protective of Ryder's fine sentiment ). But thinking about Zia and Keema being able to tell right away how Reyes feels about Ryder, it's strange. Wasn't he supposed to be the encrypted one? Seems Ryder's got him so smitten even his totally untrustworthy "ally" and his ex associate who wants him dead can read him easily. Not only Ryder is dangerously blinded I'll say. You mean people aren’t utterly enthralled by the shady, Machiavellian spymaster-ish crime lord? Muhehee. Being enthralled and awe-struck is one thing, getting paranoid about one's chances of survival facing such a person is quite another one Reyes as the sublime, funny thought. Think he actually knows Machiavelli? And your second point is a fair one too; if there’s no Ryder, is there any point to having Reyes either? I for one am fine with the though of Reyes for Reyes’ sake. It’s Reyes that matters, not his purpose, right? Nope, I'm not arguing Jensen should die for his blunder anymore. I wasn't about to argue for it after your first post on his behalf. I might not even be arguing he's an idiot but I think I'll hold on to a greatly lessened version of it since we're once again back with "stoicism" in regard of his safety and success of his misson altogether. …Or are we? Now the emphasis on stoicism doesn’t mean I’m backpedaling on my earlier words, just reining them in a bit lest I over-analyze as is my wont. See my second paragraph (the one starting with “Does what happen”), I spent a lot of time molding it into a coherent argument on this! Stoic demeanor doesn’t mean he can’t be messed with nor that he’s not inwardly in turmoil. Also one further point in favor of my position: he’s so upset about his body that he totaled his mirror. Yep, he’s absolutely all over the place mentally. But other than that, I’m glad we’ve reached a sort of consensus or compromise at least. Weird but otherwise I guess I really didn't consider the human side to all this. Or not that weird after all, when it comes to characters I see them as little pieces of fiction first and foremost and may get pretty heartless when they act, well, like humans. This isn't the first time I'd get irrational about such a thing, cooling down and taking a rational (or sympathetic) look on it mostly dispels both my point and my willingness to defend it, I reckon. Of course I realize this was a way to move the plot forward and begin a slightly different change of tone in the mission in the first place. Stupid shit like that happens in games, yep, I'm well used to that, that's why I like to think I've only played four genuinely good games in my life... (and in one of them you are actually forced to make two sky high-level shitty decisions too) but only rarely it gets so horrible it makes me lose my judgment. Let’s hear ‘em. I’m curious. With me, it depends on the quality of the writing whether or not I’m unhappy with a character or with the writer. Take Kai Leng, for an example. Some people said it was cathartic to finally kill him, but all I ever was capable of seeing was an incredibly badly written piece of crap, and even the interrupt kill felt like I was forced to make my Shepard care too much about this fucking joke. MEA has less grating examples, so there I’m both irritated at PB as a character but also partly at the writers who decided that no conflict exists nor are any personnel choices by Ryder ever allowed. Among this sort of company, Jensen getting shoved after a momentary indecision barely registers on my radar; the stuff that takes me most out of him is the ex-gf thing, but even so its just a side flavor to him doing his day-job. I guess that if I actually like a game protagonist, I usually empathize extremely strongly with them, and subsequently forgive a lot. I like Jensen more than Ryder, since for e.g. the latter just smiles beamingly like a cracked turnip when Addison asks about Alec dying, while Jensen shows some restrained but visible dismay and almost indiscernible shift in voice when he learns An Upsetting Thing - a very distinct difference in quality in both writing, acting and animation. I know I know, it’s also highly dependent on personal taste. And Ryder has the advantage of getting Reyes, instead of pining for an ex that probably was up to something suspicious anyway. Flatterer Reyes has the advantage of being far more than his good looks, though, and I don't really remember being unmerciful towards him (yeah, yeah, I did two pro-Sloane pts but come on... ) I know what permission only hug means, I was just trying to doubt whether getting cheered up by hugs is that universal. If someone is not all that partial on physical contact, more of it will hardly help them feel better. Perhaps Pritchard could give him a hug, though, that would be hilarious. But you doomed Reyes to near certain death! Twice! That’s just the worst. Bah, Pritchard seems even less hug-prone than Jensen. And they dislike each other glaringly. Which doesn’t matter to the deranged part of my brain that wants to ship them together. >_< Well, maybe the waifu can hug him when they’re finally reunited. No^^. I remembered skulking around her place but the scene actually only when I watched it again. It doesn't help that while I liked the game I only played through it once. Ah this choice, yes. I walked the city a bit and thought it over. I was satisfied with my choice later on. Oh no, somehow this made me panic about having potentially made the wrong choice. I decided not to take the upgrade because obvious trap is obvious, but it still keeps gnawing at me. I guess I’ll learn soon enough. Oh and I’ve reached a part where Jensen did a really questionable thing, far worse than the not considering a panic room moment, and I think Zitrus will know what I mean. Nonetheless, I still sympathize with jensen and hope we’ll get out of this pickle too lol. Well, it seemed like that since you acknowledged Zitrus' reponse in that matter and unless I'm misreading that actually argued he's just too calm to apprehend the dragon queen no matter what she may be up to (and it's still a bad move, or lack of one, lol) hinting at no further turmoil. Which seemed strange when you were trying to defend him from a quite diffrent position before. Yeah,the argument's been harmonized. The things one finds out in the spolier section of the Reyes thread ... Do they ever say that's what happened to the mirror though? Could've been anything, you know. I liked killing Kai Leng. Not for any catharsis but because he was just that fucking annoying. A badly written piece of shit deserves to die a horrible death,wouldn't you agree? GF things are generally the worst... especially when you can't understand for the world why those people would go to such lengths to finds those annoying generic bitches in the first place (I still carry that trauma from the Darkness II, I swear I weathered that game just because of the fun gameplay and the interesting non-gf parts) Surprisingly Jensen is a very minor offender in this, he makes only a reasonable amount of fuss (Her mother amused me though. Such calm. My daughter is dead, lol, whatever. Hey Jensen you seem unoccupied, mind looking into it a little?). And yeah, she's definitely suspicious. The first thing I told myself even before re-examining the quest or getting to know she was still alive was that she most likely got herself kidnapped or something... Btw, I can't help but ask what is it that gets you so irrtated about PB? Does her sitting on Ryder have much to do with it or is it just that you can't stand her altogether? I wouldn't really compare Ryder and Jensen as protagonists due to genre though. To me, Jensen is Jensen, as offered, he can only be observed and you have no power over him. In anything at least reminiscent of RPG I take what I'm given and reinterpret and paraphrase it to my tastes, taking a shitload of liberties with the scenario along the way, making it generally a characterization exercise with the result I usually care about because despite following at least the most necessary guidelines, the PC in game only becomes the necessarily simplified reflection of what I headcanonicly imagine them. (Might I just say Ryder's a fucking hard work in that regard. So little room to play). "Ryder" as a protagonist doesn't really exist to me the same way Adam Jensen does. But then I'm generally quite obssessed with all my stories and such. Heh, yeah, it's pretty bad At my defense, I didn't do it out of lack of mercy for that intruiguing character, but because it felt wrong for the character I had at that given point (this time I'm making it different), so it was actually selfish and not heartless Somebody should at least suggest hugging to them. The looks on their faces wouldbe priceless. I don't usually ship characters like that but Jensen and Pritchard really just have it coming with that behavior Besides, Pritchard would make a good LI.. (but I guess Mallik is fine too) My four games mostly for story/themes/atmosphere/characters and in one case because that kind of narrative is so totally up my alley. Tragic it's virtually unplayable now. -Vampire, the Masquerade: Bloodlines -NW2: Mask of the Betrayer -The Bard's tale -FO: New Vegas (plus an honorable mention to the Interesting NPCs mod for Skyrim, because it's funny to see a mod overshadow a huge part of any official game writing I've ever seen) I hope my lack of quotes doesn't make it too messy, I'm sorry if it does. At this point I'm getting paranoind about the internet crashing on me if I do too much stuff
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Post by haolyn on Aug 28, 2017 12:37:04 GMT
That’s a funny thing to ask. I wonder though, if someone hasn’t been hooked by the time Reyes winks at Ryder, is there any chance of him growing on you to a degree of romancing him? He seems such a divisive character, that I’d imagine it’s almost instantaneous if you decide to romance him. But maybe that was just my experience. for me it was also an instantaneous decision to romance him, but i had assumed his romance would be more of a 'fling' and then i could go back to romancing jaal, which i had been doing mostly out of curiosity. but by the time i got to the rooftop scene i realized there was no way this was gonna be just a fling for my ryder (sorry jaal lol). so the attraction was instantaneous, but the character also grew on me to the point where a fling turned into a full-blown exclusive romance
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Post by orchid on Aug 28, 2017 19:47:52 GMT
for me it was also an instantaneous decision to romance him, but i had assumed his romance would be more of a 'fling' and then i could go back to romancing jaal, which i had been doing mostly out of curiosity. but by the time i got to the rooftop scene i realized there was no way this was gonna be just a fling for my ryder (sorry jaal lol). so the attraction was instantaneous, but the character also grew on me to the point where a fling turned into a full-blown exclusive romance That makes sense. From what I’ve gathered, most people that treat Reyes as a side piece dump him (often by going pro-Sloane) and return to their main LI. It’s true though that he keeps getting better and better as we get to see Ryder going on missions with him, and how funny and good the little interactions with him are. I can see how that could sway a few people. Yeah, quite funny, you'd say everyone would like to decide these things for themselves.. but some people don't feel strongly about the characters and just want their achievement with minimal annoyance, perhaps. But I'd definitely say it's possible for him to grow on you even in the little time he has. Happened to me, keeps happening to me actually (with Reyes. That guy just seems the more intriguing the mor one thinks about him... and there's been lots of thinking about him going on this summer ). I don't know if I've ever chosen a LI for my character without several scenes passing anyway. Unless someone gets extremely turned off by winks, I don't see why not. If Reyes is divisive, surely it's not because of that one scene? I’m thinking of people who decide that Reyes is slimy as soon as he strolls over and suggests drinks. Then there are the ones that remain lukewarm on him, maybe debate a bit if he’d have maybe some interesting content as a LI, but usually pick one of the big romances instead. The comments I’ve read here and on reddit seem to suggest that big Reyes lovers usually take an instant liking to him as soon as he opens his mouth and speaks, and when that happens, they’re we’re goners. But by now the PC disappearance is such a trope that if there's ever another ME not featuring Ryder, they will surely have mysteriously disappeared. If only there was a way to actually find them alive and kicking this time. Maybe some work-around as to why we can’t see their face (assuming no save imports), maybe dialogue through voice msgs only. Or maybe Ryder+SAM becoming incorporated into some Remnant tech as a bio-mechanical creature without recognizable features… What, no? I love my horror elements, but I guess that would dampen Ryder’s sweet retirement plan with Reyes. It has other uses too, such as Ryder brushing off their AI's nosey personal questions. It's unsure where it reports its findings anyway... But the addtional Kaetus content you mention includes exactly one question and a datapad, which is probably not much of a payoff. I can't even recall if he appears in the final battle. I so wish SAM was realized better in the game. A huge thing like an integrated AI in your head, and all it does is be a game-long tutorial for babbys that you can’t shut off. It’s such a shame. And Kaetus disappering, indeed. If there was more, I could stomach Sloane. But no interesting content and no hope of sequel with different branching, there’s zero reason for anything but all Reyes all the time. That said, I like your murder suggestion, that would make sense. I can totally imagine Ryder doing something like that though. If they agreed to Reyes killing Sloane it could seem like they care more about Reyes than his methods. It could even work with the faction conflict, as in someone important to the AI messed with the Collective too in some way, got what was coming to them, Ryder knew and did nothing once again... drama incoming. Could that be break-up worthy? I don't know, I'd like to think Ryder knows what their lover is about and can deal with it accordingly. Hmmm, perhaps the only thing I can really imagine to sour things would be Reyes/the Collective (perhaps even unwittingly) harming someone else Ryder cares about (like their twin) that seems like the only plausible thing worth some rethiking on Ryder's part...I love both those ideas. The Collective still is a criminal org and surely they fuck ordinary people over every once in a while, one way or other. The twin (or it could be Ellen, provided Ryder hasn’t told Reyes yet) inadvertently being one of them could be interesting, insomuch that it might even be an instant break-up unless Reyes managed to explain it away and make a big show of penance. In fact, it would probably fall into the “Reyes is too careful for that to happen” category, and as such it would only happen as a gigantic blunder and consequently if it did, Reyes would just rush to make it all up, rather than Ryder and him being actually in conflict over something. Maybe Ryder would accept Reyes' apology and they'd work to fix the thing together, but the conflict would arise from the twin/Ellen/whoever being less forgiving and giving Ryder hell for being so lenient on their ruthless crime lord boyfriend. That would be interesting, potentially. I still would probably prefer the other idea about faction conflict with some Nexus person messing with the Collective stuff, because I love that sort of thing. But maybe though their relationship is just too healthy to be killed by anything extraneous and instead only by something mundane as just growing out of love eventually, if that. Well, he most likely really is better than Zia would give him credit for but Ryder can in no way be sure of that at that point But hey, anyone is entitled to their lucky guess once in a while. As I recall it's like the only time he seems real upset (when he snaps at Zia, quite protective of Ryder's fine sentiment ). But thinking about Zia and Keema being able to tell right away how Reyes feels about Ryder, it's strange. Wasn't he supposed to be the encrypted one? Seems Ryder's got him so smitten even his totally untrustworthy "ally" and his ex associate who wants him dead can read him easily. Not only Ryder is dangerously blinded I'll say. Muhehee. Being enthralled and awe-struck is one thing, getting paranoid about one's chances of survival facing such a person is quite another one Reyes as the sublime, funny thought. Think he actually knows Machiavelli? Angry Reyes is hot and awesome. I’d like to see more of that, only not angry at Ryder. Maybe if we had gotten to see more of his gangster business side... I think he wants to keep Ryder shielded from Zia’s insults and also hates having his dirty laundry aired in public (public scenes by exes, yikes). He’s also a bit snappy after Keema’s “all he talks about”, though that’s much more restrained, so that would make sense. Reyes wants to appear cool and in control at all times. You’re right, Keema and Zia both saw through Reyes, but then again Reyes dating Ryder isn’t an exclusive secret like him being the Charlatan is. They’re both adults, so most need for secrecy arises from Reyes not wanting Ryder to see how attracted he is and that’s because he’s worried about the Charlatan thing. Other than that, there’s no need to conceal their romance. Obviously Reyes doesn’t want to make it a big news of it either (thank god), but it means nothing if random Kadarans see them kissing out in the open, on a roof. Also like we’ve discussed, it offers them an alibi after High Noon. I'd think Reyes would know Machiavelli at least by name. ME doesn't really get into the state of education system or such things. I for one am fine with the though of Reyes for Reyes’ sake. It’s Reyes that matters, not his purpose, right? Ah, now we’re approaching a philosophy based on Reyes. The Reyesian School? Pragmatism tinged with epicureanism and some fin de siècle Reyes pour Reyes type of deal? Oh and Machiavelli too, that we already established.
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Post by tehprincessj on Aug 28, 2017 23:32:26 GMT
*sigh* I already miss Reyes. Maybe if I just rushed the post-Kadara stuff in order to meet him again during the final fight ASAP... I understand this feeling completely. I keep all of his e-mails, and read and re-read them like a lovesick fool. I should’ve included that in my perma-smile comic as the last panel. Ha-ha, yasss! I still love that comic the most. Is that art made in poser? Looks like Ryder got some, um, enhancements. Oh, the drinks behind them are a nice touch. They're a stylish couple here.it, I reckon. She used to use Poser, although I'm not so sure she does any more. Hee. Just for laughs and nostalgia, here's one she made me years ago of my Exile Rain and Atton Rand (it's also the source of my icon over there). But how does something like that get pulled off? In Poser? Or Daz 3D, I think (is that even still a thing)? The real answer is that if I truly knew how it was done, I would do it, too, and be an artist that spends all of my too much time doing that instead of gaming, reading, and writing. Yay, is the new chapter going to be the alone in the shuttle one? Might be good... Alas, no, I haven't quiet accepted orchid 's challenge for shuttle romance fic, yet. This was dirty dancing in Tartarus. Plus talking filthy, which I am new to, so, yeah (I have Reyes say 3 different words that I absolutely never use in fic). Don't feel obligated to read, guys, extremely NSFW: archiveofourown.org/works/11155875/chapters/26942586And by the way, I'd totally hate it if it were Reyes who killed Garson. It would just feel foolishly convenient, as in he's there and he's shady, of course he's the murderer. He also traveled in time for the hell of it, gave the Leviathan AI ideas and created the scourge in the meantime... Bah, I hate this kind of narrative. Agreed! Clichés aside, killing Garson, even for money, just seems... too evil. I'm not sure I could imagine my Ryder being ok with that. Reyes dating Ryder isn’t an exclusive secret like him being the Charlatan is. They’re both adults, so most need for secrecy arises from Reyes not wanting Ryder to see how attracted he is and that’s because he’s worried about the Charlatan thing. Other than that, there’s no need to conceal their romance. Obviously Reyes doesn’t want to make it a big news of it either (thank god), but it means nothing if random Kadarans see them kissing out in the open, on a roof. Also like we’ve discussed, it offers them an alibi after High Noon. Agreed! I read a lot of fic that has the relationship concealed for "matters of safety" and I always feel like, "guys! That's BS." Reyes is low-key at the big finale, sure, but he winks, everyone sees it, and it can't be a secret why Ryder likes to visit Tartarus all the time. His real identity remains a secret. But I dont' think Reyes or Ryder find their relationship to be something that has to remain hidden. Especially as, what I took from the events on Meridian, Nexus exiles who run to aid the Initiative in battle are due a full pardon. Reyes probably states he's there as an agent for the Resistance, and as such, it wouldn't be so odd that he and Ryder are a thing. I also, uh, happen to really like Peebee. My faves (as far as squad) go: Drack > Vetra > Peebee. In that order.
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 29, 2017 8:52:28 GMT
*sigh* I already miss Reyes. Maybe if I just rushed the post-Kadara stuff in order to meet him again during the final fight ASAP... You could make a quick trip to Kadara. He's always happy to see Ryder. Too bad he never has anything new to say. Yeah, quite funny, you'd say everyone would like to decide these things for themselves.. but some people don't feel strongly about the characters and just want their achievement with minimal annoyance, perhaps. But I'd definitely say it's possible for him to grow on you even in the little time he has. Happened to me, keeps happening to me actually (with Reyes. That guy just seems the more intriguing the more one thinks about him... and there's been lots of thinking about him going on this summer ). Reyes, the never-ending summer dream. I agree, he's good from the get-go and gets even better with time. Like whiskey, no? Lol. But the addtional Kaetus content you mention includes exactly one question and a datapad, which is probably not much of a payoff. I can't even recall if he appears in the final battle. I guess he's not around on Meridian. Probably still recovering or taking care of the Port in her absence. Just as well, it's gonna be the only time for that choice anyway. And by the way, I'd totally hate it if it were Reyes who killed Garson. It would just feel foolishly convenient, as in he's there and he's shady, of course he's the murderer. He also traveled in time for the hell of it, gave the Leviathan AI ideas and created the scourge in the meantime... Bah, I hate this kind of narrative. Agreed! Clichés aside, killing Garson, even for money, just seems... too evil. I'm not sure I could imagine my Ryder being ok with that. Yes, I hate this theory so much. I wonder what kind of hitman jobs the Collective is okay with. They surely draw the line somewhere. Oh no, somehow this made me panic about having potentially made the wrong choice. I decided not to take the upgrade because obvious trap is obvious, but it still keeps gnawing at me. I guess I’ll learn soon enough. Oh and I’ve reached a part where Jensen did a really questionable thing, far worse than the not considering a panic room moment, and I think Zitrus will know what I mean. Nonetheless, I still sympathize with jensen and hope we’ll get out of this pickle too lol. Oops, don't want to cause panic but I have to be vague. Oh yes, I'm certain I know where you are now. Do you have the Director's Cut with the included DLC? You're right about the mirror. When you debate with Taggart, one conversation option has Jensen say that he smashed the mirror the first time he saw himself in it. I also thought it was in one of the cinematic trailers but apparently I only imagined that lol. Malik can survive. Took quite some reloads to solve that puzzle with my non-lethal playstyle. And the situation reminded me of the first game. Never listen to the person who is in danger and tells you to leave. And if you've never seen Jensen dance
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 29, 2017 10:31:05 GMT
That makes sense. From what I’ve gathered, most people that treat Reyes as a side piece dump him (often by going pro-Sloane) and return to their main LI. It’s true though that he keeps getting better and better as we get to see Ryder going on missions with him, and how funny and good the little interactions with him are. I can see how that could sway a few people. That’s... kind of horrible.. as in the women’s literature "date the bad guy before nasty shit goes down and then end up penitently with your true love" horrible. I actually had no romance planned when Reyes appeared (I love the initial flirts with Vetra but only because they’re make for great banter, not really looking to make anything out of them) and I was almost considering Ryder will be the one protagonist who can’t be bothered to find someone unless she noncanonically romances Jaal because I want to see what that romance scene fuss is about. Some way into Reyes content I just told myself, "well, he’s the kind of guy she wakes up next to and won’t even know how that happened" and immedietely found myself loving the idea, by the storage scene I was like "hell, that’s precisely it". Then High noon happened. Poor Ryder That said, I’m definitely in the "swayed" camp... a heart of stone is heart to impress after all...
If only there was a way to actually find them alive and kicking this time. Maybe some work-around as to why we can’t see their face (assuming no save imports), maybe dialogue through voice msgs only. Or maybe Ryder+SAM becoming incorporated into some Remnant tech as a bio-mechanical creature without recognizable features… What, no? I love my horror elements, but I guess that would dampen Ryder’s sweet retirement plan with Reyes. Hehe, this comment makes it obvious you haven’t played Dragon Age. You don’t want something like that to happen, believe me. Last time they brought a protagonist back as NPC they made them into a moron, mostly unrecognizable to someone who went with them through a ten-year period of the game throwing all kind of nasty shit on them (as I’ve already mentioned above). And I did consider the wear and tear they suffered in that time and realized that was no excuse at all, only a brick applied to the head in some dark alley is. RIP, Hawke’s sentient mind. I actually love the Remnant idea. Not that I’d enjoy that to be the end of Pathfinder Ryder, but if their options seem to be to vanish (trope!), lose themselves in convenient writing or become a horror element that brings something hopefully good to the further story, well, give me the last one, (almost) no regrets. As for the retirement plan, I think that would depend on what would happen to Ryder’s mind with that transformation and how superficial Reyes is (If the answer to question one turned out to be be too dire, perhaps Ryder can guard the pet shop?)
I love both those ideas. The Collective still is a criminal org and surely they fuck ordinary people over every once in a while, one way or other. The twin (or it could be Ellen, provided Ryder hasn’t told Reyes yet) inadvertently being one of them could be interesting, insomuch that it might even be an instant break-up unless Reyes managed to explain it away and make a big show of penance. In fact, it would probably fall into the “Reyes is too careful for that to happen” category, and as such it would only happen as a gigantic blunder and consequently if it did, Reyes would just rush to make it all up, rather than Ryder and him being actually in conflict over something. Maybe Ryder would accept Reyes' apology and they'd work to fix the thing together, but the conflict would arise from the twin/Ellen/whoever being less forgiving and giving Ryder hell for being so lenient on their ruthless crime lord boyfriend. That would be interesting, potentially. I still would probably prefer the other idea about faction conflict with some Nexus person messing with the Collective stuff, because I love that sort of thing. But maybe though their relationship is just too healthy to be killed by anything extraneous and instead only by something mundane as just growing out of love eventually, if that. .. or it would turn into a big damn guilt trip fest that would make you hate your own family members. Those things are not usually handled with care... I agree that it would require some really special circumtances to happen though, unless the blame lies somewhere deep within the Collective, after all some of them stilll attempt to shoot Ryder dead despite direct orders (that would actually be a god way to start a quest that addresses internal trouble/coup attempt within the Collective itself. Driving a wedge between Reyes and Ryder seems like something somebody somewhere could profit from). But yeah, it would again be Reyes' trouble with someone else, or Ryder's trouble with someone else. In a way it seems that unless they get tired of their constant problems with someone else on their relationship's behalf, it's pretty hard to drive Reyes and Ryder apart... The Nexus conflict seems like a better path, less possibly horrible family drama and they can still disapprove if they find out. Could go a variety of paths too, from high level messing from someone like Addison to some idealist out for crime lords, like Sid... Agreed! Clichés aside, killing Garson, even for money, just seems... too evil. I'm not sure I could imagine my Ryder being ok with that. I also, uh, happen to really like Peebee. My faves (as far as squad) go: Drack > Vetra > Peebee. In that order. I don't know about too evil, self-serving perhaps, but we don't really know what kind of person Garson was and what's the Benefactor's deal precisely... maybe it would be excusable By the way, we have a similar choice of favorites, though my third is Jaal I wonder what kind of hitman jobs the Collective is okay with. They surely draw the line somewhere. I wonder what kind of hitman jobs the Collective would get in the first place. Heleus is such a peaceful place, you know Angry Reyes is hot and awesome. I’d like to see more of that, only not angry at Ryder. Maybe if we had gotten to see more of his gangster business side... I think he wants to keep Ryder shielded from Zia’s insults and also hates having his dirty laundry aired in public (public scenes by exes, yikes). He’s also a bit snappy after Keema’s “all he talks about”, though that’s much more restrained, so that would make sense. Reyes wants to appear cool and in control at all times. You’re right, Keema and Zia both saw through Reyes, but then again Reyes dating Ryder isn’t an exclusive secret like him being the Charlatan is. They’re both adults, so most need for secrecy arises from Reyes not wanting Ryder to see how attracted he is and that’s because he’s worried about the Charlatan thing. Other than that, there’s no need to conceal their romance. Obviously Reyes doesn’t want to make it a big news of it either (thank god), but it means nothing if random Kadarans see them kissing out in the open, on a roof. Also like we’ve discussed, it offers them an alibi after High Noon. I'd think Reyes would know Machiavelli at least by name. ME doesn't really get into the state of education system or such things. Think Reyes gets ever gets angry conducting his gangster business (unless he is very consious about how hot it looks, that is)? I’d say he’s the one to keep it calm (and chill ) in any circumstances, more like the kind that won’t look disturbed at all when he signals Mr. Sniper guy to shoot you because you looked at him shiftily, only getting angry in private. Hmm, I actually don’t hear any snappiness between him and Keema but then maybe I don’t pay enough attention to voices. He’s got the right to get at least a little snappy when Keema goes merrilly on trumpeting his likes like that. What’s she trying to achieve with that anyway? Agreed with you and tehprincessj there’s no need whatsoever to conceal their relationship, but that’s not what I was really trying to get at. It’s Reyes being readable in such matters, which is potentially lethal for business. Show you care for something and that’s where you’llbe vulnerable from that point on. I know that once it’s out they date the time will come anyway, but they knew even before anything happened between them. That’s worrying. Your potential enemies should not get such a good look into your cards sooner than necessary... Well, Shepard can quote Machiavelli (which was very funny with my Earthborn "with little formal education", but it allowed me to rp her as someone of very ecclectic non-formal education, unversed in some common matters but then able to quote Machiavelli and Espronceda’s Cancion del Pirata on the spot... ), so he shouldn’t probably be something forgotten in the future. Funny to imagine Reyes studying philosophy, taking notes Ah, now we’re approaching a philosophy based on Reyes. The Reyesian School? Pragmatism tinged with epicureanism and some fin de siècle Reyes pour Reyes type of deal? Oh and Machiavelli too, that we already established. Or Vidalism? Nah, Reyesian School sounds better. Not sure if epicureanism wouldn’t be too strict though, all that restraint. I’d go with some more hardcore hedonism, or decadence altogether... (I’m sure lord Henry would go nuts about him)
Well, it seemed like that since you acknowledged Zitrus' reponse in that matter and unless I'm misreading that actually argued he's just too calm to apprehend the dragon queen no matter what she may be up to (and it's still a bad move, or lack of one, lol) hinting at no further turmoil. Which seemed strange when you were trying to defend him from a quite diffrent position before. Yeah,the argument's been harmonized. The things one finds out in the spolier section of the Reyes thread ... Do they ever say that's what happened to the mirror though? Could've been anything, you know. Yeah, like I said I just want to avoid projecting too much and becoming too entrenched in my video game opinions, and on an off-topic game too. We may have gotten deep into semantics here once again lol. It’s more like he has aloof exterior, without exactly being all zen inwardly. Maybe the words I’d personally use for description would be tough, reserved and laconic. Idk tho. The crack in the mirror is exactly where a punch from his right hand would land, but no, I never saw any hard evidence. But what else could it be? A whisky bottle thrown in anger would probs stem from the same issues anyway. I liked killing Kai Leng. Not for any catharsis but because he was just that fucking annoying. A badly written piece of shit deserves to die a horrible death,wouldn't you agree? GF things are generally the worst... especially when you can't understand for the world why those people would go to such lengths to finds those annoying generic bitches in the first place (I still carry that trauma from the Darkness II, I swear I weathered that game just because of the fun gameplay and the interesting non-gf parts) Surprisingly Jensen is a very minor offender in this, he makes only a reasonable amount of fuss (Her mother amused me though. Such calm. My daughter is dead, lol, whatever. Hey Jensen you seem unoccupied, mind looking into it a little?). And yeah, she's definitely suspicious. The first thing I told myself even before re-examining the quest or getting to know she was still alive was that she most likely got herself kidnapped or something... All Leng deserved was a quick bullet in the head, shot by whichever squadmate. He didn’t deserve a grand melee kill and Shep being full of emotion, since that seems like acquiescence to Leng’s theme of weeb swords somehow being a legit weapon in this scifi setting. In fact, shoot him already during the “duel” or whatever he has with Thane. Shep just let them go one-on-one instead of interfering with a well-placed bullet? Fuck that, bring Mr. Sniper Guy and let him do the rightful if Shepard can’t. I thought the mom was okay in her sorrowful restraint. Overall the voice-acting has really been top notch, making this game one of my favorites on that front. Not sure how far you played, but the girlfriend thing in HR has gotten worse, alas. It's now more about "where's Megan?" than "where's the team from my work place that my boss wants me to find". Ehh well, it's not incredibly relatable, but then again this isn't an RPG so these things are to be expected. :/ I'm still curious about what exactly is going on, so at least the plot is still interesting. (Not to mention the level design, I can't remember even one single other game where going down to a sewer has me curious and interested. ) Btw, I can't help but ask what is it that gets you so irrtated about PB? Does her sitting on Ryder have much to do with it or is it just that you can't stand her altogether? I use PB as an example a lot, since she’s in MEA, but on the whole OT was worse about many of these things. I dislike PB less than Liara, for example, and still take her on away missions. But let’s see, since you asked specifically. I’ll put these inside another spoiler layer because of ranting lol: - is named PeeBee. Christ! Just call her Pela short for Pelassaria, it’s still short and sounds nice unlike PissInsect/peepee. - majorly invades Ryder’s personal space. Ryder is given a very inadequate way to disapprove and only after a good long moment, and that's because the devs assume that if harassment is performed by a "sexy" woman, it's automatically welcome. This attitude sucks massively as someone who was molested as a teenager by an adult woman and got pretty much just “she was hot, I bet you wanted it” in way of “support” (makes me sick just to write, and is reason why I extremely hate it when this stuff happens in games if our char can’t say “no”, even if the offense is relatively "mild" e.g. stroking the PCs face instead of full-on assault (it's just that there are so many of these moments and they stack). Jensen at least got to slap the dragon queen’s hand off and therefore show his disapproval, instead of a meek “time to get off, now please come aboard my ship”). Imagine if PeeBee was male, with a femRyder tackled under? And compare to the wailing at Reyes for doing something as small as offering drinks while smiling? - has no reason to come along or commandeer and clutter the only escape pod, yet we can’t deny her. It’s like, you dislike Ashley in ME? too bad, but we’re military and Anderson chose the crew, but at least we can speak our displeasure at both Anderson and Ashley. No valid reason for PB or any way to even protest. She doesn’t even contribute to Remnant research, that’s all on SAM. - the entire deal of jettisoning an escape pod, endangering lives, being a bitch about it too, and all we can say is “Oh you!” as a rebuke. - choice of shooting Kalinda being presented as a choice at all after we’ve killed her entire squad that she ordered to kill us. There’s nothing of value riding on the choice either, just PB’s feelings. Also no reward or reason to do the entire quest, since the device afaik does nothing.
Now for good things: - shits on Cora’s asari-weeaboism if you take them both in the Nomad, which is hilarious - has generally good banter with everyone and on various missions - gives you the robot, which I enjoy on my engineer profile
I wouldn't really compare Ryder and Jensen as protagonists due to genre though. To me, Jensen is Jensen, as offered, he can only be observed and you have no power over him. In anything at least reminiscent of RPG I take what I'm given and reinterpret and paraphrase it to my tastes, taking a shitload of liberties with the scenario along the way, making it generally a characterization exercise with the result I usually care about because despite following at least the most necessary guidelines, the PC in game only becomes the necessarily simplified reflection of what I headcanonicly imagine them. (Might I just say Ryder's a fucking hard work in that regard. So little room to play). "Ryder" as a protagonist doesn't really exist to me the same way Adam Jensen does. But then I'm generally quite obssessed with all my stories and such. I can see your meaning and agree on the genre differences affecting how to treat the PC, but I’m not so sure about how much of an RPG MEA even is. It’s even less so than the OT was, and those already had less of RP trappings than the traditional cRPGs. Like you say, we have very little room to play with our Ryder. We can choose the looks and LI for our PC, yes, but other than that the choices and differing paths are on the light side and too often insignificant or something that clearly was a set up for a sequel that never will come. High Noon is probably the biggest choice in the game and one that creates the most discussion, and then there's Raeka/scouts and who to give the core to (it can be argued how significant or hard those choices are), but Ryder themselves is an incredibly set character. In fact, at least during the early game I felt (maybe wrongly) that I had more control on Jensen's character than on Ryder and his four ways of being a boy scout. So if we compare MEA to clear non-RPGs like DE:HR or Prey, those already have surprisingly good RPG elements, like various paths to take and even different endings (in Prey, that is, dunno about HR). HR even has occasional dialogue choices where you can be kind or cold, dismissive or supportive etc.. In quest design, there’s e.g. the quest to meet Tong, where I at first failed the initial conversation attempt, then went to do the other bartender’s quest but decided to help the woman victim instead and made the bartender mad, and STILL had the third option to just sneak into the cellar, and there I could yet choose between barging into Tong’s room or sneaking into air vents and eavesdropping. All these options, and this is just a stealth-shooter game, not marketed as an RPG at all. It's really rather unflattering to MEA. I think that EA wants to make Mass Effect profitable again, they should make it an actual RPG. Otherwise they might just as well stick to Anthem and far as scifi goes and leave RPG for Dragon Age. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit biased against MEA at this very moment. On the whole, I still liked MEA more than ME3, where only the Tuchanka arc and some of the DLCs shone. Somebody should at least suggest hugging to them. The looks on their faces wouldbe priceless. I don't usually ship characters like that but Jensen and Pritchard really just have it coming with that behavior Besides, Pritchard would make a good LI.. (but I guess Mallik is fine too) Right, someone should walk up to them while they’re arguing and tell them to just make out already. Dunno how good Pritchard would be as a LI, but at least he wouldn’t be involved in some shady secret misuse of science. Poor Malik. I wonder if it would’ve been possible to save her if I was better at combat. Actually, early game I wondered if she was going to be offered as a LI of sorts, since there was a “flirty” dialogue option in one conversation. Semantics is fine. That describes him pretty well but it’s weird that this outside apparance would rule any action of his (aside from his wanting to keep looking cool like that, but I can’t imagine him to give a fuck) Yaay, the crack in the mirror quandary was solved by Zitrus the queen of all ninjas. Before that I was going so suggest that perhaos his waifu dared him to hit the mirror with a heavy object from a distance... Yeah, that duel thing is horrible. Three people just stand there and watch as a terminally ill drell fights a top-condition Cerberus assassin. Nice. I’d say that it’s a proof for everyone being in need of their Mr. Sniper guy, but one can be standing right there, doing precisely nothing. Perhaps it needs THE Mr. Sniper guy. But a bullet in the head can be cool too, remember the squadmate offing Saren in ME1 (for me it’s always Garrus ) I guess Leng could always be ingloriously spaced.... or perhaps Shepard could move from his way hen he attacks, not taking further notice of him as he bleeds on the floor Hmm, wait, isn’t the sword thing actually an interrupt? I don’t really know what I’m complaining about with the mum, her running about all hysterical would be ten times worse. Hate to hear the Megan shit gets worse (not even her mum is hysterical about her anymore, for suck’s sake), another impediment to me finishing it (but then I heard you can even the odds with the dragon queen..), but I never really suspected anyone cared about the rest of the team... I for one have never met a game where sewers weren’t making me damn anxious Spoliers inside spoilers, how maddening Pela’s a great suggestion, but I’ve come to the point when I don’t mind PB.. it’s horrible yes, any two letters would have done the job better and what -if anything at all- was anyone thinking but it seems to fit her thought processes. Perhaps anything too reminiscent of her first name is something she wanted to avoid in the first place... But I didn’t shoot Kallinda. Ryder would have killed her in combat anytime but it seemed wrong to just shoot her as she was dangling there. It was PBs shitty choice, the Remnant device was her loss, let her have it her way. As you said, she doesn’t share her research anyway... ( Also, I’m verry sorry to hear about the molestation shit and I mean it. I apologize for any harm I may have done when discussing a piece of fiction- still merely as something abstract and artificial, really-, I tend to get blind about RL issues like that) MEA is just happy to have the Kadara arc . There were some minor things interesting to decide though, such as the accidentally innocent Turian thing or the Asari/vs. the Doctor guy in the drug quest, or even the Sarissa shit. The drive core, though.. that’s a choice that’s...there. I really made Ryder going through her thought processes picking the conversation options, in headcanon moments or those that had no conversation, similarly as I made Shepard by her pre ME1 past and nothing in the actual game. I make do, but it just gets harder and harder and harder... really, somebody should stop watering RPGs down, who cares about idiots who are bothered by too much text. Still, the control over Jensen’s action seem to be of the type where you pick the correct option to succeed, nothing that would realize characterize him, which is probably the biggest difference. By the way did you get to speak to Tong? I hear that’s the best conversation in the game but I was too cheap to pay for that entrance so I went by the sewer As a no-nonsense, less romantic technical savy LI, he migt be good. Lol at the making out thing, that might actually be a great strategy to get them to join forces throwing mean looks (and probably stuff) at the offender... Anything’s better than Megan, really.
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<abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Aug 29, 2017 2:32:26 GMT 3" data-timestamp="1503963146000">Aug 29, 2017 2:32:26 GMT 3</abbr> tehprincessj said: I understand this feeling completely. I keep all of his e-mails, and read and re-read them like a lovesick fool. - She used to use Poser, although I'm not so sure she does any more. Hee. Just for laughs and nostalgia, here's one she made me years ago of my Exile Rain and Atton Rand (it's also the source of my icon over there). Alas, no, I haven't quiet accepted orchid 's challenge for shuttle romance fic, yet. This was dirty dancing in Tartarus. Plus talking filthy, which I am new to, so, yeah (I have Reyes say 3 different words that I absolutely never use in fic). Don't feel obligated to read, guys, extremely NSFW: archiveofourown.org/works/11155875/chapters/26942586I always leave the emails from Reyes and Drack unarchived for easy access. My squad favorites are also Vetra and Drack. Once the primary pathfinder duties were completed upon all planets being appraised, they could’ve formed a pathfinder super team with Ryder, Raeka and Avitus, with Vetra and Drack tagging along. That’s one glamorous Exile. Atton ought to have dressed to match. Which makes me think that it’s a pity Reyes didn’t dress up to the party. Alright, he looks down on Sloane hard, but still. It’s not like we wouldn’t recognize him in other clothes. Of course, that would mean some classier wear for Ryder too, instead of three different pajama styles (thank god for mods at least). Reyes would rock black/dark grey. Went and read it! That was adorable. :3 Reyes being a rookie at dirty talking hehe. I wish that one day an inspiration will strike someone to write a shuttle themed Scott/Reyes smut stand alone piece of the same quality as tehprincessj ’s work. Probably not likely, but who knows. Doesn't help that Ao3 is frustrating to navigate, since people tend to list basically everyone that ever has existed in the tags, and with MEA there are all the fics where the main chars are like Sara and Jaal and there’s some side plot with Scott/Reyes romance somewhere as a side note. You could make a quick trip to Kadara. He's always happy to see Ryder. Too bad he never has anything new to say. I don’t like Ryder’s “I better get going” sounding like he’s attempting to escape a shitty conversation... There really should be new convos and they wouldn’t even need to be romance specific. Like Reyes thanking about restoring the vault, and how he’s set up water distribution points guarded by the Collective, and there could be a related quest (like the mini quest about the Kings and the water post in New Vegas). But there’s no point to just go and awkwardly poke Reyes for no reason. Reyes, the never-ending summer dream. Mods! a thread name change pls. I wonder what kind of hitman jobs the Collective is okay with. They surely draw the line somewhere. I assume Reyes goes over each such case personally, as it seems he keeps things like recruitment decisions strictly centralized. I think assassinations would be secondary to spying and power-grabs, so maybe those would be more of a special service and only if there’s absolutely no conflict with any of Reyes’ schemes. That’s... kind of horrible.. as in the women’s literature "date the bad guy before nasty shit goes down and then end up penitently with your true love" horrible. Maybe, although I suspect it’s often just something that happens, since you can’t exactly plan the High Noon in advance. Also a lot of people just want a maximum amount of scenes of fucking without any chaste Nice Guy dream behind it. With these players, I don’t think Reyes ever really made much of an impression nor did he grow much on them, so its probs an easy choice. Not sure if there’s more of them or players that ended up having Reyes for main romance after he slowly won them over. Of course that's a ton of guesses from me, without much thoiught behind it. I wonder if there’s any effect on this from how much of a big deal romances are even in marketing. Like people knew in advance who the main LIs would be, and planned accordingly, assuming that Reyes would be a tiny fling. Maybe? I didn’t really follow the marketing for MEA, because video game marketing is horrible and embarrassing. If you just play blind and run into Reyes and see the flirt options, you won’t have any preconceptions. I actually love the Remnant idea. Not that I’d enjoy that to be the end of Pathfinder Ryder, but if their options seem to be to vanish (trope!), lose themselves in convenient writing or become a horror element that brings something hopefully good to the further story, well, give me the last one, (almost) no regrets. As for the retirement plan, I think that would depend on what would happen to Ryder’s mind with that transformation and how superficial Reyes is (If the answer to question one turned out to be be too dire, perhaps Ryder can guard the pet shop?) My dream sequel for ME3 was going from the control ending with the Reapers an ominous and creepily helpful yet oppressive presence (fixing the relays, but not really communicating), with rumors of Shepard as a no-longer-human being integrated unto them. A smaller scale game, where the protag might meet people from the old team (an Old Man Garrus, Liara as a leader of an uncanny Shepard cult), maybe figure out the mystery behind it all. So there’s that. .. or it would turn into a big damn guilt trip fest that would make you hate your own family members. Those things are not usually handled with care... I agree that it would require some really special circumtances to happen though, unless the blame lies somewhere deep within the Collective, after all some of them stilll attempt to shoot Ryder dead despite direct orders (that would actually be a god way to start a quest that addresses internal trouble/coup attempt within the Collective itself. Driving a wedge between Reyes and Ryder seems like something somebody somewhere could profit from). But yeah, it would again be Reyes' trouble with someone else, or Ryder's trouble with someone else. In a way it seems that unless they get tired of their constant problems with someone else on their relationship's behalf, it's pretty hard to drive Reyes and Ryder apart... The Nexus conflict seems like a better path, less possibly horrible family drama and they can still disapprove if they find out. Could go a variety of paths too, from high level messing from someone like Addison to some idealist out for crime lords, like Sid... Yeah, the perfect model of a happy couple. With only an occasional murder + cover-up. Sid? I like that. It would tie the team into the plot, too. Wow, I can already imagine some nasty results from Sid meddling with the Collective. :D8: Ahh now I want that! It also wouldn’t be TOO personal for Ryder, and consequently Reyes wouldn’t feel obligated to automatically to undo whatever he/the Collective has done. There has got to be limits as to how much he’s willing to bend over for Ryder and the AI, after all. Whatever Sid did would have to be suitably big too, but she’s a whiz kid so that shouldn’t be an issue. This is also good, because Vetra is commonly liked character, so there’d be some weight to whatever decision (apart from Sid herself). And also how Sid idolizes Ryder for being a heroic adventurer. Fuuu- someone make a fic out of this. Think Reyes gets ever gets angry conducting his gangster business (unless he is very consious about how hot it looks, that is)? I’d say he’s the one to keep it calm (and chill ) in any circumstances, more like the kind that won’t look disturbed at all when he signals Mr. Sniper guy to shoot you because you looked at him shiftily, only getting angry in private. - Agreed with you and tehprincessj there’s no need whatsoever to conceal their relationship, but that’s not what I was really trying to get at. It’s Reyes being readable in such matters, which is potentially lethal for business. Show you care for something and that’s where you’llbe vulnerable from that point on. I know that once it’s out they date the time will come anyway, but they knew even before anything happened between them. That’s worrying. Your potential enemies should not get such a good look into your cards sooner than necessary... Reyes keeps it cool, true, but I think he could use anger when useful, if only for appearances. If things went really south, I think he’d be properly mad too. One of the post-High Noon letters was really pissed off sounding. Reyes getting angry being rare also would make it all the more impressive and significant when it happens. I don’t think he’d be throwing fits daily, either. He’s much too cool-headed for that. Oh okay, misread you there, sorry. I still think he keeps a lid on his feelings better when they’re about something more important, but I grant you it’s a potential weakness. Someone might easily exploit his love affairs, although Ryder would be a hard target for e.g. kidnapping or such. As long as Reyes is just being Reyes and not the Charlatan, I doubt he feels the need to. What would people gain from knowing who Reyes the small smuggler is dating atm? Keema is different, however, and that might just be her being an expert at reading people. Or Vidalism? Nah, Reyesian School sounds better. Not sure if epicureanism wouldn’t be too strict though, all that restraint. I’d go with some more hardcore hedonism, or decadence altogether... (I’m sure lord Henry would go nuts about him) Reyes does have some restraint though, like three drinks limit. Can't see him going all hedonistic, what with his cool and calm mindset. Hmm. Well, this is why we need a new school of thought for him to begin with, after all. Old ones are insufficient.
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Post by tehprincessj on Aug 30, 2017 18:18:57 GMT
I also, uh, happen to really like Peebee. My faves (as far as squad) go: Drack > Vetra > Peebee. In that order. By the way, we have a similar choice of favorites, though my third is Jaal High five! Went and read it! That was adorable. :3 Thank you! I wish that one day an inspiration will strike someone to write a shuttle themed Scott/Reyes smut stand alone piece of the same quality as tehprincessj ’s work. Probably not likely, but who knows. Doesn't help that Ao3 is frustrating to navigate, since people tend to list basically everyone that ever has existed in the tags, and with MEA there are all the fics where the main chars are like Sara and Jaal and there’s some side plot with Scott/Reyes romance somewhere as a side note. The minute I feel I can tackle m/m sexytime fic, I'm on it. In the meantime, I hope somebody somewhere can write it for you. And I hear you about AO3. I think a lot of the organization is handled on tumblr and other sites. Since I'm not on any of them, my fic doesn't really get promoted the way I've seen other people's stuff do, and I always think, holy crap, how do so many people know to come read these people's stuff?Reyes, the never-ending summer dream. Mods! a thread name change pls. Ooh, I agree!
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 30, 2017 20:46:08 GMT
I wonder what kind of hitman jobs the Collective would get in the first place. Heleus is such a peaceful place, you know Totally peaceful. I didn't fire a single bullet during my visit^^. I assume Reyes goes over each such case personally, as it seems he keeps things like recruitment decisions strictly centralized. I think assassinations would be secondary to spying and power-grabs, so maybe those would be more of a special service and only if there’s absolutely no conflict with any of Reyes’ schemes. He would absolutely do that. Yes, I think they only provide this in rarer cases and not for petty reasons and would vet the client and the victim thoroughly lest they harm themselves. It's more severe than their other business. It’s “blocked in your country”, hmph. :srs: Jensen's dance moves must be too much for my nation to bear. Does he dance officially in a game or is a fan product? Oh you get the block, too? And here I thought it would only happen around here. Got another source for it. He can "dance" when you're in cover and turn left and right all the time. Director's Cut includes the Missing Link DLC. This is what happens on the ship when you leave Hengsha. Originally you got a black screen with "3 days later" and then you were at your destination. Then they made the DLC but you had to play it separately. For the DC they inluded it in the narrative. They also improved the boss fights. They were outsourced during development, due to time contraints I think, and it showed. I always killed them with the Typhoon. It's a cheap way but I didn't care . Aww, I finished it. And the 2nd. Ah come on, you're not. She would've been dead for me too if I hadn't tried it again and again. Made me almost switch to lethal. This encounter is surprising and pretty hard. I think the order was the bots, the guys on the ground and the snipers last, they make the least damage. What is funny about Adam and Megan is, that the voice actors are married and there was an interview in which he told that they had a dispute in the morning they had to record the scene where they meet again and decided not to make up before perfoming.
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 30, 2017 22:34:04 GMT
I always leave the emails from Reyes and Drack unarchived for easy access. My squad favorites are also Vetra and Drack. Once the primary pathfinder duties were completed upon all planets being appraised, they could’ve formed a pathfinder super team with Ryder, Raeka and Avitus, with Vetra and Drack tagging along. That’s one glamorous Exile. Atton ought to have dressed to match. Which makes me think that it’s a pity Reyes didn’t dress up to the party. Alright, he looks down on Sloane hard, but still. It’s not like we wouldn’t recognize him in other clothes. Of course, that would mean some classier wear for Ryder too, instead of three different pajama styles (thank god for mods at least). Reyes would rock black/dark grey. Went and read it! That was adorable. :3 Reyes being a rookie at dirty talking hehe. I wish that one day an inspiration will strike someone to write a shuttle themed Scott/Reyes smut stand alone piece of the same quality as tehprincessj ’s work. Probably not likely, but who knows. Doesn't help that Ao3 is frustrating to navigate, since people tend to list basically everyone that ever has existed in the tags, and with MEA there are all the fics where the main chars are like Sara and Jaal and there’s some side plot with Scott/Reyes romance somewhere as a side note. Lol. That would be hilarious. After all Reyes has that CC face... But agreed, even if he looks down upon Sloane he's there for a date with Ryder, isn't he, so that should warrant some attention. But then again, the Andromeda Initiative possible clothes and underwear problem... he can't afford to stick out, after all where would a common smuggler have possibly stolen several high-class dark suits from? Reyes a rookie in anything? Hehe, and I'm curious once again. Great job, tehprincessj nobody else got me to read smut before, not to mention read another smut afterwards. I don’t like Ryder’s “I better get going” sounding like he’s attempting to escape a shitty conversation... There really should be new convos and they wouldn’t even need to be romance specific. Like Reyes thanking about restoring the vault, and how he’s set up water distribution points guarded by the Collective, and there could be a related quest (like the mini quest about the Kings and the water post in New Vegas). But there’s no point to just go and awkwardly poke Reyes for no reason. On the other hand, he's just sitting there al lonely without anything to do, apparently. Perhpas he enjoys some random poking once in a while. It's damn strange no one ever notices the water isn't killing them anymore. Like they're all welcome, it was nothing, really. Reyes comments on some of the bigger side quests so why not on this rather important one is beyond me. The Collective guarding a suddenly non-toxic water pump would look dangerously much like the Outcasts, just saying. By the way, since we're with the comments, any guesses why Reyes gives out the location of the Collective hideout just like that? Making Ryder get to know the team or seeking to settle the fake Charlatan matter out... or testing the extent of the Pathfinder's curiosity? Maybe, although I suspect it’s often just something that happens, since you can’t exactly plan the High Noon in advance. Also a lot of people just want a maximum amount of scenes of fucking without any chaste Nice Guy dream behind it. With these players, I don’t think Reyes ever really made much of an impression nor did he grow much on them, so its probs an easy choice. Not sure if there’s more of them or players that ended up having Reyes for main romance after he slowly won them over. Of course that's a ton of guesses from me, without much thoiught behind it. I wonder if there’s any effect on this from how much of a big deal romances are even in marketing. Like people knew in advance who the main LIs would be, and planned accordingly, assuming that Reyes would be a tiny fling. Maybe? I didn’t really follow the marketing for MEA, because video game marketing is horrible and embarrassing. If you just play blind and run into Reyes and see the flirt options, you won’t have any preconceptions. Well, I’ve seen posts by people who said Reyes almost charmed them away from their chosen LI, but I don’t know what they eventually chose when the time came. One great point about High noon, that one. Shit just goes down. People who want maximum fucking probably got pretty disappointed with Reyes though (muhehe). I stopped following the news as soon as they started to reveal the characters so I was blind about the LIs as well, it seems a bit boring to have things planned so far ahead, no surprise, and by the way what if things just went a different way? Initially I even though the flirt options with Reyes were just for flavor, after all, no squad or crew? Naah, such things don't happen, unless they're either a joke-level fling or a case of prostitution (first two DAs have these). My dream sequel for ME3 was going from the control ending with the Reapers an ominous and creepily helpful yet oppressive presence (fixing the relays, but not really communicating), with rumors of Shepard as a no-longer-human being integrated unto them. A smaller scale game, where the protag might meet people from the old team (an Old Man Garrus, Liara as a leader of an uncanny Shepard cult), maybe figure out the mystery behind it all. So there’s that. Hehe, Liara and her cult But I guess that unless you'd have to fight your way through them all because they accidentally got indoctrinated, people would complain the point is predictable.. after all, everyone knows it really is Shepard all the time and what threat is great enough when the galaxy's got a horde of domesticated doomsday weaponry at its disposal? In MEA it would work without a hitch though. Plus it’s been quite some time since there was anything real upsetting in a BW game. Yeah, the perfect model of a happy couple. With only an occasional murder + cover-up. Sid? I like that. It would tie the team into the plot, too. Wow, I can already imagine some nasty results from Sid meddling with the Collective. :D8: Ahh now I want that! It also wouldn’t be TOO personal for Ryder, and consequently Reyes wouldn’t feel obligated to automatically to undo whatever he/the Collective has done. There has got to be limits as to how much he’s willing to bend over for Ryder and the AI, after all. Whatever Sid did would have to be suitably big too, but she’s a whiz kid so that shouldn’t be an issue. This is also good, because Vetra is commonly liked character, so there’d be some weight to whatever decision (apart from Sid herself). And also how Sid idolizes Ryder for being a heroic adventurer. Fuuu- someone make a fic out of this. Pfft, there’s nothing wrong about an occasional murder, especially if the victim wears a lot of crimson and sports equipment... or messes with certain lovable crime lord’s plans. Can’t see why that would conflict with anyone being the ultimate healthy couple I don’t know, since Ryder can seem to get pretty close with Vetra (not necessarily in any relationship sense) I’d see it as a pretty tough situation. Especially because there’s no direct connection, so Ryder can’t automatically expect much in a way of reparation, there would have to be a lot of preferences thought over. It might even be interesting if she’d cross the Collective’s plans is some relatively profitable but in the long run minor business, as it wouldn’t allow for any "if Sid doesn’t shut up, the Collective and therefore Reyes is ruined" type of justification... ruthless crime stuff right there, either way. But I’d really hate to be forced between Reyes and Vetra, that would be like the Virmire thing, but with me actually giving a fuck... Reyes keeps it cool, true, but I think he could use anger when useful, if only for appearances. If things went really south, I think he’d be properly mad too. One of the post-High Noon letters was really pissed off sounding. Reyes getting angry being rare also would make it all the more impressive and significant when it happens. I don’t think he’d be throwing fits daily, either. He’s much too cool-headed for that. Oh okay, misread you there, sorry. I still think he keeps a lid on his feelings better when they’re about something more important, but I grant you it’s a potential weakness. Someone might easily exploit his love affairs, although Ryder would be a hard target for e.g. kidnapping or such. As long as Reyes is just being Reyes and not the Charlatan, I doubt he feels the need to. What would people gain from knowing who Reyes the small smuggler is dating atm? Keema is different, however, and that might just be her being an expert at reading people. Hmm, I still can’t imagine Reyes intimidating someone angrily with all that smooth talker attitude of his... something calm and menacing, pehaps, but unless he’s a really good actor, I don’t think he could pull of anger convincingly. I’d say he only gets angry in private or about private matters (as in the Zia business. Ha, Reys throwing a fit, breaking a vase, slamming the door, now that would be a sight Since Keema is angara, learning to be an expert on reading the new species would take some formidable brain power... very formidabble indeed. I always say working with her in whatever capacity is a bad call. Well, it works in reverse too, somebody could always kidnap Reyes to get to Ryder. Au unassuming small time smuggler would make a tempting target.. But since that was not the topic here, I actually wonder how Reyes would react were he in Sloane’s place, with Ryder actually harmed by the business (in a cutscene of course, how else)... Reyes does have some restraint though, like three drinks limit. Can't see him going all hedonistic, what with his cool and calm mindset. Hmm. Well, this is why we need a new school of thought for him to begin with, after all. Old ones are insufficient. Oh, yeah, how could I forget that one, some real power of mind at work But maybe I'd put that one into the pragmatic category, since showing up drunk and then crashing your shuttle into an eiroch doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your business. Not all hedonistic, the talk was about a tinge, so it would by definition be quite subdued in favor of pragmatism, further restricting might render it downright invisible.. or perhaps that was the point, somehow? Of course a new way of thought is needed to encompass all that in its complexity. (On a totally unworthy non-academic note, Reyes just sees like the type to have some good stories from when he didn't keep to his drinking maximum)Totally peaceful. I didn't fire a single bullet during my visit^^. You do that on purpose, don't you? You wait for me to log in and then you attack Well, neither did I. I used a particle weapon and a sword, who needs bullets in these lovng, friendship inducing surroundings? Surely there's no need to have anyone murdered, nope, the Collective must be full-time collecting info on latest loving trends and fluffiness of pink unicorns otherwise they're out of business I assume Reyes goes over each such case personally, as it seems he keeps things like recruitment decisions strictly centralized. I think assassinations would be secondary to spying and power-grabs, so maybe those would be more of a special service and only if there’s absolutely no conflict with any of Reyes’ schemes. He would absolutely do that. Yes, I think they only provide this in rarer cases and not for petty reasons and would vet the client and the victim thoroughly lest they harm themselves. It's more severe than their other business. That strict? Even if they were well funded for performing the task? But then again, depends who could actually afford to have to Collective work for them. Save for the Benefactor or some such, no one really comes to mind. Perhaps the assassination business in more hypothetical than anything? Well, people get all kinds of weird when they think no one’s looking But the way you put it is priceless. Now I’ll never be free of that image whenever I look at either of them Ah, great, so Morrowind has them too. So, more claustrophobia incoming, with some expected bloated corpse decor behind every corner, brother Kanker style. Lovely. Really, I can live with any other type of area, just not the sewers. Hmm, now it occurred to me they were ok in HR, I even had that funny little episode in them where Jensen got annoyed with that big alarm machine when chasing that terrorrist guy, so he just caried it before him all the way... Yaay. Boo, dragon queen bitch. I actually didn’t even use the pheromones, I like to go the persuasion parts with no help (it was pretty epic making Sariff or that blonde guy in that congress centre talk wth no help), but I get your meaning with the attitude options. Nooo, if they move on it will surely go almost straight to hell if BW ever returns to ME Agreed on MEA choices, but I mostly compare MEA with DAI in the choice regard and MEA does it much better even if it’s nowhere near the ideal level. Ok, it’s time for me to start looking harder. After Morrowind, that is. Lol, I bet that’s never happened to Tong before Some random guy just barges into his room, talking to him, not a clue he’s the Tong. But the first conversation with Tong is supposed to be the good one, even somehow informational. I like Malik, she’s a non-irritating female character and that’s rare, and if she likes Jensen she keeps it to herself too, very lovely. And her quest is fun:P Oh, a Pritchard DLC? Hell. There’s that one question about him and Jensen worming its way in though.. Nope, absolutely nothing. Muahahahahaha Can’t imagine them getting together to talk about it over a bottle, bet the tension would get absolutely unbearable. Lol, that Megan moment. I think that game might need finishing after all. Feel free to blame it on me though, everyone else does I just destroy the atmosphere wherever I go, worse than a Reaper. But how does the worst taste in men apply here? Well of course It's Jensen dancing. Second only to Pritchard dancing. Third to Shepard dancing. Must be overwhelming. By the way the old Deus ex is one of the funniest games ever. (And one of the most educational one with that SMOKING WILL FUCKING KILL YOU message.) I know it’s very likely not supposed to be one, but try to co-play it with your similarly minded companion and some alcohol... Deus Ex: Bottle of Booze please, aka Dumb Aug Policeman stories. Continuous falling off ladders, throwing plants at superiors, protagonist’s hardcore schizophrenia especially strong regarding his killing methods, prodding a couch to pieces rigt under some woman’s ass... and the absolutely most epic gaming scene ever, when the protagonist enters his bro’s flat... shit drunk, crawling with both his legs broken, he bursts open the door by firing from a missile launcher and shouts "Hey, I’m heeeeeere!"
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Post by orchid on Aug 31, 2017 15:38:37 GMT
Sooo guys, you know how stupidly, needlessly much space MEA takes? Anybody else been tempted to uninstall it yet, to make more room for a newly bought game? Not sure what else to delete… there are games that I always have installed, no matter what, and those are staying. Yet my second MEA playthrough… and the femRyder that’s still only on Eos… Everything with Reyes... Nhgh. And I hear you about AO3. I think a lot of the organization is handled on tumblr and other sites. Since I'm not on any of them, my fic doesn't really get promoted the way I've seen other people's stuff do, and I always think, holy crap, how do so many people know to come read these people's stuff?Mods! a thread name change pls. Ooh, I agree! Oh but already by the time I went to look at your fic, it had a ton of kudos and comments too. :smiles: Can thread name changes happen on this forum? Does it need to be done by OP? But agreed, even if he looks down upon Sloane he's there for a date with Ryder, isn't he, so that should warrant some attention. But then again, the Andromeda Initiative possible clothes and underwear problem... he can't afford to stick out, after all where would a common smuggler have possibly stolen several high-class dark suits from? Well, that would only be a sign of just how good a smuggler he is. Remember that his cover doesn’t stop him from hogging all the good jobs on Kadara, so why not also demonstrate his skills by wearing high quality clothing? It would only show his peers just how skillful he is, and that he has managed to make fools of the Nexus folks. Although Reyes has his cover as a solitary unaffiliated smuggler, I doubt his pride would allow him to pretend to be a shitty at his job. Sloane's "third rate smuggler" was more of a contemptuous insult at someone daring to waste her time than a truth accepted by everyone on Kadara. I think his thing would be more of an independent operative that offers high quality services to those in need, hence his reputation as a smuggler being damn good to those in the know. The Collective guarding a suddenly non-toxic water pump would look dangerously much like the Outcasts, just saying. By the way, since we're with the comments, any guesses why Reyes gives out the location of the Collective hideout just like that? Making Ryder get to know the team or seeking to settle the fake Charlatan matter out... or testing the extent of the Pathfinder's curiosity? Yah yah, it was just a quick suggestion. I’d imagine that at the start the resources would still be scarce as they build the proper infrastructure for wider distribution, and so some regulation might be required, so that the Port for example would get its appropriate share and not some asshole group taking everything for themselves. Since the Collective are in power, it would be up to them to watch everything goes down smoothly. Excellent point about Reyes revealing where their secret hideout is. I never thought about that. Yet it makes sense, as risky as it is (Reyes must know that Ryder would cause severe damage if they went murderous in there). Ryder gets told immediately upon arrival that the Charlatan has ordered them to not fire upon them and that they're free to walk around. If the Salarian recruiter hasn’t convinced Ryder that the Collective would make just great partners, then Crux and her people being ordered to be as pleasant as possible might just do the trick. Reyes is clearly trying very hard to give a good impression of his gang to Ryder, only he can’t do it in person. I think the fake Charlatan thing is just a coincidence. I doubt Reyes would like anyone outside his inner circle, even Ryder, to know that something as bad as that can happen. It's a glaring demonstration of a weakness in Reyes' entire modus operandi, and he probably constantly tries to figure how to minimize such things from happening. Hehe, Liara and her cult But I guess that unless you'd have to fight your way through them all because they accidentally got indoctrinated, people would complain the point is predictable.. after all, everyone knows it really is Shepard all the time and what threat is great enough when the galaxy's got a horde of domesticated doomsday weaponry at its disposal? In MEA it would work without a hitch though. Plus it’s been quite some time since there was anything real upsetting in a BW game. Aww Blood, you’re being awful harsh, considering that I didn’t even reveal what “the point” (aka my main plot idea/the Awful Mystery of Space small-scale adventure) would have been. I don’t know, since Ryder can seem to get pretty close with Vetra (not necessarily in any relationship sense) I’d see it as a pretty tough situation. Especially because there’s no direct connection, so Ryder can’t automatically expect much in a way of reparation, there would have to be a lot of preferences thought over. It might even be interesting if she’d cross the Collective’s plans is some relatively profitable but in the long run minor business, as it wouldn’t allow for any "if Sid doesn’t shut up, the Collective and therefore Reyes is ruined" type of justification... ruthless crime stuff right there, either way. But I’d really hate to be forced between Reyes and Vetra, that would be like the Virmire thing, but with me actually giving a fuck... Why, that’s the beauty of it, it being a hard quandary! And the question would ultimately be about Reyes and Ryder, ethics, love, trust, and not some binary Vetra or Reyes choice (that would be too easy). Now I know, BioWare doesn’t do these sorts of choices, but none of this will ever happen, so why not get creative in throwing around ideas. It could simply be Sid getting too nosy and seeing too much of something (the Collective torturing+killing someone, maybe?) and being too idealistic to just back off, rather than holding some key to the Collective’s destruction. Vetra might be kept in the dark altogether, adding another nice shady of bastardy into the mix, maybe letting her know what’s going on or pretending that “weird, I thought I hadn’t seen Sid for a while, terrible that she would just slip and fall into a trash compactor like that”. I mean, how else to drive home just how terrible the Collective can be other than have them be terrible at someone likeable? That’s of course also the reason why Reyes would want to avoid such a situation to the best of his abilities, but from his perspective, I doubt he’d think twice about staging an accident to some meddlesome vigilante-wannabe that attempted to mess with his operations. I think this would be perfect. Since Keema is angara, learning to be an expert on reading the new species would take some formidable brain power... very formidabble indeed. I always say working with her in whatever capacity is a bad call. Well, it works in reverse too, somebody could always kidnap Reyes to get to Ryder. Au unassuming small time smuggler would make a tempting target.. But since that was not the topic here, I actually wonder how Reyes would react were he in Sloane’s place, with Ryder actually harmed by the business (in a cutscene of course, how else)... Yeah, really “alien”… Star Trek has more alien aliens than Mass Effect. They even use finger quotes and American-English idioms. If Ryder got hurt, I think Reyes would remain calm. Ryder’s rather proved themselves to be capable after all. He would absolutely do that. Yes, I think they only provide this in rarer cases and not for petty reasons and would vet the client and the victim thoroughly lest they harm themselves. It's more severe than their other business. That strict? Even if they were well funded for performing the task? But then again, depends who could actually afford to have to Collective work for them. Save for the Benefactor or some such, no one really comes to mind. Perhaps the assassination business in more hypothetical than anything? Reyes has set up an exclusive top of the line assassination business with expert agents just waiting to go, but nobody comes calling. No wonder Mr. Sniper Guy gets bored and takes to gossiping to pass the time. I can’t remember what anybody said in the game anymore, but I think it was stated that they do assassinate people. Or maybe I mixed it up with them killing people for their own purposes. The codex mentioned that those who oppose the Charlatan usually die. That could be sweepingly characterized with “oh yeah, we do assassinations” and let the implication work as an indirect threat.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 31, 2017 17:38:37 GMT
Sooo guys, you know how stupidly, needlessly much space MEA takes? Anybody else been tempted to uninstall it yet, to make more room for a newly bought game? Not sure what else to delete… there are games that I always have installed, no matter what, and those are staying. Yet my second MEA playthrough… and the femRyder that’s still only on Eos… Everything with Reyes... Nhgh. i don't really play many video games (i tend to watch let's plays on youtube more than actually playing them lol) so i don't have this problem. can you keep the saved data and install it again if needed?
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Aug 31, 2017 22:37:37 GMT
Sooo guys, you know how stupidly, needlessly much space MEA takes? Anybody else been tempted to uninstall it yet, to make more room for a newly bought game? Not sure what else to delete… there are games that I always have installed, no matter what, and those are staying. Yet my second MEA playthrough… and the femRyder that’s still only on Eos… Everything with Reyes... Nhgh. I have these too, but with the advantage of mostly brand new and still empty disc But from the clutter times- is there really nothing else that can go first? Well, that would only be a sign of just how good a smuggler he is. Remember that his cover doesn’t stop him from hogging all the good jobs on Kadara, so why not also demonstrate his skills by wearing high quality clothing? It would only show his peers just how skillful he is, and that he has managed to make fools of the Nexus folks. Although Reyes has his cover as a solitary unaffiliated smuggler, I doubt his pride would allow him to pretend to be a shitty at his job. Sloane's "third rate smuggler" was more of a contemptuous insult at someone daring to waste her time than a truth accepted by everyone on Kadara. I think his thing would be more of an independent operative that offers high quality services to those in need, hence his reputation as a smuggler being damn good to those in the know. Hmm, seems there must be some kind of balance to be achieved between this kind of showing off and keeping a decently low profile as the smuggling job is still quite shady... and I don't know whether someone doing something so dependent on secrecy would inspire necessary confidence with more showing off than necessary... some creeping hints arranged just so people may or may not notice would probably do a better job. Well if he really pretended to be shitty at the job no Zia would have happened in the first place. And what good would it serve anyway, it has no benefits when one is greedy as it takes work away and the bad word spreads...and when a shitty smuggler still lounges around in his personal part of a bar, people get suspicious. (Hmm, also where else would he get enough funds to get the Collective running than by getting well off on the smuggler business?) Good point about Sloane, but with her it's close to a miracle she even knew who he was... he must have really been quite notorious for her to take notice at all. Actually it would be quite funny if he'd had run some jobs for the Outcasts themselves at some point. His name was on that invite after all and that it was Keema's work can mean absolutely anything at that point... Yah yah, it was just a quick suggestion. I’d imagine that at the start the resources would still be scarce as they build the proper infrastructure for wider distribution, and so some regulation might be required, so that the Port for example would get its appropriate share and not some asshole group taking everything for themselves. Since the Collective are in power, it would be up to them to watch everything goes down smoothly. Excellent point about Reyes revealing where their secret hideout is. I never thought about that. Yet it makes sense, as risky as it is (Reyes must know that Ryder would cause severe damage if they went murderous in there). Ryder gets told immediately upon arrival that the Charlatan has ordered them to not fire upon them and that they're free to walk around. If the Salarian recruiter hasn’t convinced Ryder that the Collective would make just great partners, then Crux and her people being ordered to be as pleasant as possible might just do the trick. Reyes is clearly trying very hard to give a good impression of his gang to Ryder, only he can’t do it in person. I think the fake Charlatan thing is just a coincidence. I doubt Reyes would like anyone outside his inner circle, even Ryder, to know that something as bad as that can happen. It's a glaring demonstration of a weakness in Reyes' entire modus operandi, and he probably constantly tries to figure how to minimize such things from happening. Hehe, yet still I bet that's what the Outcasts would be saying too "Real changes in leadership, blah, blah, rant" (don't mind me, I'm just being annoying) But if the vault works its miracle thing it would be hard to imagine a single water pump anyway, they already have the purifiers and pipes you can die in and whatnot, so water-wise the Port's pretty much covered toxic water or not? Unless we're talking some utterly new outpost with just that one spring, that is (that would actually get.. pretty western-ish) Think that's the secret point of the recruitment Salarian? I though he was just doing his job and Ryder was interrupting it... Well, Ryder's such a boy scout nobody would ever expect them to just go on an innocent crime organization operative murder spree for no reason, especially when they're all so polite, save for the button Salarian, he should get fired. Hehe, the thought of Reyes trying to pick the right base to invite Ryder to is kind of cute. Wonder how many the Collective has though, perhaps the decision was a rather easy one. I wonder if he even knew something like that was happening, or Crux just set out to solve it on her own (aka how close does the Charlatan really watch his business? if one goes on Crux's words only, it would seem like there's tons or wriggle room). It's a pretty serious issue, to be sure and it's actually weird only one opportunist made use of it... well,, one that we know of. (I've just recalled the shitstorm such MO causes in the Dark brotherhood questline in Oblivion, Reyes gets away real easy compared to that), but is it ever mentioned somewhere how many people across the board actually know who they take their orders from? I think such things need some damn fool-proof structure to work in any way, a half-mythical presence told me to do it won't cut it for long if at least a decent amount of people don't have certainty in the matter... Aww Blood, you’re being awful harsh, considering that I didn’t even reveal what “the point” (aka my main plot idea/the Awful Mystery of Space small-scale adventure) would have been. Harsh? To you? what kind of monster do you take me for? :smh: I just wasn't aware THE point's yet to come, there being no mysterious foreshadowing and all, care to share it now? Why, that’s the beauty of it, it being a hard quandary! And the question would ultimately be about Reyes and Ryder, ethics, love, trust, and not some binary Vetra or Reyes choice (that would be too easy). Now I know, BioWare doesn’t do these sorts of choices, but none of this will ever happen, so why not get creative in throwing around ideas. It could simply be Sid getting too nosy and seeing too much of something (the Collective torturing+killing someone, maybe?) and being too idealistic to just back off, rather than holding some key to the Collective’s destruction. Vetra might be kept in the dark altogether, adding another nice shady of bastardy into the mix, maybe letting her know what’s going on or pretending that “weird, I thought I hadn’t seen Sid for a while, terrible that she would just slip and fall into a trash compactor like that”. I mean, how else to drive home just how terrible the Collective can be other than have them be terrible at someone likeable? That’s of course also the reason why Reyes would want to avoid such a situation to the best of his abilities, but from his perspective, I doubt he’d think twice about staging an accident to some meddlesome vigilante-wannabe that attempted to mess with his operations. I think this would be perfect. No argument there, that would be one to stop one dead and that's definitely a good thing. Wouldn't have to be a binary Vetra/Reyes choice per se, but in the end you might need to decide in favor of one of them anyway, even by choosing to tell the truth or not especially if the consequences of this were there.. and promptly harsh. I just hope the convo with Vetra wouldn't be like your suggestion.... well, it could be, but that would be more of the dark mafia humor thing and not a brain exploding quandary with lots of drama. (Though a dark mafia humor thing might appear elsewhere too, I'm absolutely not opposed to the idea). Well, it would only be fair if something like that was shown, they're a criminal organization after all, starting an occasional soup kitchen changes nothing about that. Ties nicely to the incident being more of a business as usual nature for the Collective (but then, it might be even interesting if it actually were some greater scale incident Sid happened to see, because then there'd be Reyes, Vetra and AI/diplomatic relations with whoever involved at the same time ) A question- he wouldn't mind as in staging the accident himself or sending people to stage an accident? Yeah, really “alien”… Star Trek has more alien aliens than Mass Effect. They even use finger quotes and American-English idioms. If Ryder got hurt, I think Reyes would remain calm. Ryder’s rather proved themselves to be capable after all. Yeah, I hear you But theoretically it should be a bit harder than everyone makes it look. Those idioms should probably be ascribed to a translator, though... Calm as in deadly calm? That would be the height of professionalism, even for Reyes. Reyes has set up an exclusive top of the line assassination business with expert agents just waiting to go, but nobody comes calling. No wonder Mr. Sniper Guy gets bored and takes to gossiping to pass the time. I can’t remember what anybody said in the game anymore, but I think it was stated that they do assassinate people. Or maybe I mixed it up with them killing people for their own purposes. The codex mentioned that those who oppose the Charlatan usually die. That could be sweepingly characterized with “oh yeah, we do assassinations” and let the implication work as an indirect threat. Well, the probability is there. The market's most likely still in the making though, so perhaps with a bit of patience and restraining Mr. Sniper Guy from completely ruining their reputation and claims to professionalism before things start to move, it will pay in time... Yeah, I believed they said something like that... they wouldn't probably state they kill people as a mere business practice, that kind of comes naturally... Good point about the threat though. It would actually even make sense if they got sought for that skill after word got out what they're capable of while dealing with their own problems... Ah geez, Zitrus did the game without killing a soul and you aced all the convos without having to use pheromones once. I’m starting to think I’m bad at video games. But hey, at least I got the playing with balls achievement (I knew that there had to be a SystemShock2 type of thing as soon as I saw the basketball). I usually exhausted all the normal options and only then used the persuasion if the goal wasn’t achieved otherwise or to just to hear more dialogue. With Taggart, I never actually entered the auditorium and just snuck into the backstage and stole the information from his computer (and planted the discriminating fake evidence). Sometimes though I felt like choosing the pheromones would have resulted in worse results due to not knowing which one to pick, so I didn’t. Tyranny is getting The Bastard’s Wound expansion on next Thursday. There’s time for a full Pillars of Eternity pt before the sequel, Deadfire, comes out next year (imports your PC from the first game). Age of Decadence is great and the studio is working on a generation ship sci-fi game that maybe comes out in the 2020s. You're surely not. And I didn't do all of them, I missed the Tong ones so now I'll never be sure. Muhehe, but influencing people and especially making a sobbing fool of Taggart in front of all those people is so entertaining. But as for the killing part, I'm now left wondering whether I'd be able to save Mallik with my uber-modified 10mm gun, which is like my only gun in the pt I got running. And nope, I'm not moving on till I do save Mallik That supposed to be a smug face? I heard about Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny, they're on the list for the near future, but Age of Decadence is a new one. How's that one themed? Yeah, the DLC sounds wonderful, but then the entire base game without him, Sarif or other past NPCs sounds sad. But it’s a sad series by theme, so maybe that’s appropriate. (Poor Jensen, trying to survive without Pricthard to tell him where is what.) If you already own the game, why not see about getting back to it. The gameplay alone is great, and the endings were good too. I think I’ll def replay the game, maybe try pacifist route, in due time. Oh and by “yanks it off” I meant “yanks it away”, he doesn’t rip off his own arm just to get away from Megan. (My English just keeps getting worse.) Oh I don’t know, but it just might, somehow. Probably some tiny link exists between choosing Reyes over the more lovely-dovey options and also secretly rooting for Jensen to get together with the snarky smartass Pritchard instead of spending the game hoping that if only he could get back... Whoa, really? That sounds quite lonely. What's Jensen doing wherever he is all on his own? Heh, I don't even know what happens in the DLC but it has Pritchard... so it must be great by definition. Lol, I didn't even notice that one, but it would be quite a statement With all those augmentations he might not even be harmed in the long run but the point would be made loud and clear. There should be more points like that made. Wait, you didn't go pacifist by default? Cool, I always somehow get pressured into that kind of route... (unless I start killing off policemen by way of training in my first mission, before I realize they actually aren't the terrorrists and want to talk Yep, I agree, Deus ex is definitely a sad, non-random series, I swear it's just me) Hey, everything is connected anyway blah, blah. Does anyone really want him to return to Megan? Booooring. orchid Avatar Aug 31, 2017 17:38:37 GMT 2 orchid said: Oh. That “dance” is worse than even the Shepard shuffle. There should be a Jensen vs Shepard dance-off Baaah, apologies for the format, this quotations inside spoilers shit just decided to give me hell for whatever reason
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Post by Zitrus on Aug 31, 2017 22:44:38 GMT
Lol. That would be hilarious. After all Reyes has that CC face... He's still unique enough no matter what he wears . I never saw anyone looking identically. No, I swear. Although I saw you were online and thought I bet I'll be faster^^. I actually used a lot of bullets. And a hammer. Not subtle but effective. Sooo guys, you know how stupidly, needlessly much space MEA takes? Anybody else been tempted to uninstall it yet, to make more room for a newly bought game? Not sure what else to delete… there are games that I always have installed, no matter what, and those are staying. Yet my second MEA playthrough… and the femRyder that’s still only on Eos… Everything with Reyes... Nhgh. Almost 60 GB . It has a cozy place for now and can stay, there's still room. I should probably clean up a bit though. They can. I suppose OP and mods have the rights for it. Oh I've just noticed if you click on the number of posts you see who made how many in the thread. The top 5 are the usual suspects lol. The Collective guarding a suddenly non-toxic water pump would look dangerously much like the Outcasts, just saying. By the way, since we're with the comments, any guesses why Reyes gives out the location of the Collective hideout just like that? Making Ryder get to know the team or seeking to settle the fake Charlatan matter out... or testing the extent of the Pathfinder's curiosity? Excellent point about Reyes revealing where their secret hideout is. I never thought about that. Yet it makes sense, as risky as it is (Reyes must know that Ryder would cause severe damage if they went murderous in there). Ryder gets told immediately upon arrival that the Charlatan has ordered them to not fire upon them and that they're free to walk around. If the Salarian recruiter hasn’t convinced Ryder that the Collective would make just great partners, then Crux and her people being ordered to be as pleasant as possible might just do the trick. Reyes is clearly trying very hard to give a good impression of his gang to Ryder, only he can’t do it in person. I think the fake Charlatan thing is just a coincidence. I doubt Reyes would like anyone outside his inner circle, even Ryder, to know that something as bad as that can happen. It's a glaring demonstration of a weakness in Reyes' entire modus operandi, and he probably constantly tries to figure how to minimize such things from happening. Yes, he clearly wants Ryder to meet some of his people instead of just hearing rumours. The warden should probably re-read the memo though. If that is her best behaviour Reyes should have a word with her. She's pretty snappy. I think he also wanted to show Ryder what he had built and how well-off the Collective is. He's clearly proud of his lair, how he describes it as "a swanky hideout". Crux is very forthcoming with the impersonation trouble. Maybe she should have a bit more to say before that. It feels so sudden: Hi I'm Crux, btw we have a problem. That strict? Even if they were well funded for performing the task? But then again, depends who could actually afford to have to Collective work for them. Save for the Benefactor or some such, no one really comes to mind. Perhaps the assassination business in more hypothetical than anything? Reyes has set up an exclusive top of the line assassination business with expert agents just waiting to go, but nobody comes calling. No wonder Mr. Sniper Guy gets bored and takes to gossiping to pass the time. I can’t remember what anybody said in the game anymore, but I think it was stated that they do assassinate people. Or maybe I mixed it up with them killing people for their own purposes. The codex mentioned that those who oppose the Charlatan usually die. That could be sweepingly characterized with “oh yeah, we do assassinations” and let the implication work as an indirect threat. The recruiter says they "cater to their clients needs" and doesn't deny this entails killing and stealing from people. So, guess it is one service or if a job like say capturing a freighter requires killing the crew they're up for it. The codex describes them more as spies and smugglers, probably their main business and as you say that their opponents disappear forever. "Ah geez, Zitrus did the game without killing a soul and you aced all the convos without having to use pheromones once. I’m starting to think I’m bad at video games. But hey, at least I got the playing with balls achievement (I knew that there had to be a SystemShock2 type of thing as soon as I saw the basketball). Hehe, or just like back in Hell's Kitchen. Don't you need the Casie Aug for this mission about his childhood or otherwise the old lady won't tell everything? I screwed up 2 conversation battles. The one with Sarif I reloaded because otherwise the side mission wouldn't have continued. The other one in the last level I accepted as it was. It was definitely a bit of a strange transition. Arriving there just like that, no mention what happened in between. I chose Darrow's message. Did you listen to the post-credits scene?
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