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Post by Thrombin on Nov 2, 2016 14:30:26 GMT
So the video proves that the start of Andromeda is prior to ME3 and the voice over was calling for people to join up for intergalactic exploration not, necessarily, to escape any imminent danger.
It seems to me that expeditions from Earth to colonize other worlds have been taking place for some time in the ME Universe. There were plenty of colonies targeted by the Collectors so we know that colonization is pretty common.
There must have been ships being built for that. To transport people and supplies and materials for habitats etc. There must have been recruitment drives and other initiatives for each of the different planets that were colonized. An inter-galactic colony may be a bit more exciting and require more resources but why would it be surprising that we would not have seen news of this in ME1 or ME2 any more than the fact that we didn’t see any news of any other colony expeditions? It might make for an interesting news item but it wouldn’t have had anything to do with Shepard’s mission and I see no reason why it would need to have been secret to justify us not having heard about it in the previous games.
If this is during ME2 then it’s possible that the fear of the Collectors may have motivated the idea of colonizing further afield but, even without that, it doesn’t require any more motivation than any other colonization effort: the thrill of exploration and adventure. The pioneering spirit.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 2, 2016 14:36:34 GMT
the thrill of exploration and adventure. The pioneering spirit. Sure thing. Alliance can afford one dreadnought per year, but when it comes to thrill of exploration Citadel sized ships are no problem.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 2, 2016 14:42:05 GMT
So I can go to the BioWare forums and get a link to instructions on how to sign up for this initiative? They must have a sticky up for this right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 14:45:11 GMT
the thrill of exploration and adventure. The pioneering spirit. Sure thing. Alliance can afford one dreadnought per year, but when it comes to thrill of exploration Citadel sized ships are no problem. Societies don't spend their resources only on defense or military armaments though. They allocate resources among several different areas... so, the Alliance only received limited funding from the government and an exploration initiative received more... so what?
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Post by Arcian on Nov 2, 2016 14:46:51 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Yes, it's a promo video with glaring errors, at that. First, you cannot walk on the moon as if it's a 1G environment.
Without a personal mass effect generator, yes, you're right. However, with a personal mass effect generator, you can increase your mass to achieve the equivalent of 1g on the moon. Second the Earth, is way too near. Absolutely correct, but you can chalk this up to artistic license. It's far less egregious than... Then there is that other glaring error (Eagle) someone else mentioned up thread. ... this. With simple marketing mistakes like these (promo designers are obviously clueless, let alone understand major space history), I wonder what others exists in the actual game? Calling promo designers clueless and accusing them of being ignorant of major space history is hardly fair. They are given details by BioWare and work from those details regardless of whether they are historically accurate or not. Also, they may have kept the ascent module because the LEM doesn't look nearly as impressive without it. I can understand why they would make a decision like this, even if I believe it was a very poor choice to make. History should never be misrepresented in favor of the rule of cool.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 2, 2016 14:53:06 GMT
the thrill of exploration and adventure. The pioneering spirit. Sure thing. Alliance can afford one dreadnought per year, but when it comes to thrill of exploration Citadel sized ships are no problem. All races are limited by treaty as to how many dreadnoughts they are allowed. It has nothing to do with what they can afford to build. Also, just because there is one N7 person who appears to be the father of the protagonist doesn't mean the Andromeda Initiative has anything to do with the Alliance. This could easily be privately funded like any other Colonization push.
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Post by goishen on Nov 2, 2016 14:58:16 GMT
About the only thing that truly stood out to me while watching the video was that Earth was waaaaaaay too big. It's been stated that you can hold your thumb up and blot out the earth (or the moon) at arms length.
Unless it was like a super moon, which is possible, and I'm not gonna go through and find out when the next super moon is or when exactly the super moon is supposed to be in 2140 or whatever.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 2, 2016 14:59:36 GMT
Sure thing. Alliance can afford one dreadnought per year, but when it comes to thrill of exploration Citadel sized ships are no problem. Societies don't spend their resources only on defense or military armaments though. They allocate resources among several different areas... so, the Alliance only received limited funding from the government and an exploration initiative received more... so what? Nothing of course, it happens all the time irl. For example NASA's budget is 17 billions while military budget is only 610 billions.
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Post by BioFan on Nov 2, 2016 15:26:17 GMT
I'm certainly happy that they gave us something when I was expecting nothing (yet). It was a pleasant little surprise and while I find it notoriously difficult to determine voice actors, I really liked the voice and the performance. Got me even more excited for next Monday! Edit: Kudos to BioFan for making a video on this so swiftly, I love watching analyses like that. Thank you! #SleepIsForTheWeak
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2016 15:36:25 GMT
As I've said in other threads. It was nice seeing Earth. It will be missed. The armor looks alright.
What I'm looking forward to N7 day? Not to show the asari at all. I rather see other characters like the crew of the tempest.
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Post by NRieh on Nov 2, 2016 15:41:43 GMT
Why not assume a joint Alliance-Citadel effort (like SR1)? Still does not answer a question 'why even bother with all those uncharted worlds nearby?', but still..
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Post by Monk on Nov 2, 2016 15:44:25 GMT
I haven't watched it yet and sadly, i don't care. Maybe it's the increasing cold but the delay in meaningful updates has sapped my enthusiasm. I'll try to give it a look this weekend so i can at least have an informed apathy.
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Post by maxon on Nov 2, 2016 15:45:37 GMT
I mean, when properly fastened, the collar is probably designed to protect the helmet seals in combat. But Dad's a sloppy dresser, and that's why he's gonna die. Does this mean we are going to start a betting pool on when Papa Ryder dies? We all known it will happen, it would be more surprising if he does not die considering Bioware's history with parents in their games. I'm going to go with 'about 600 years from where we stand' - accurate enough?
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 2, 2016 16:09:03 GMT
I really hope we have control over our companions' garb on this game. I long ago accepted the trip to Andromeda and the breaks with lore (and logic) this would necessitate, at least in the early game. I cannot stand seeing that goofy ass Asari running around in an unzipped, midriff baring jacket, though. Ugh. I'd hoped those days were behind us. I hope I can put her in some proper armor. Don't ruin immersion from before the story even begins, BioWare. This is one of the very few things I can't easily ignore. It aggravates me greatly, to the point that I frequently won't use certain crew members based upon their improper gear. I know that cover art is just a promotional image, and they no doubt wanted their Hamburglar recognizable. Hell, Ryder is wearing N7 armor, so that's a clear departure from "the norm". Still, past experience makes me grumble. Stupid ass midriffs, topless biotics and half-mask breathers... I'll have to take my own advice from the Mako thread and wait for more info. The thing is, I actually have cause for concern. ☹️
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 2, 2016 16:12:24 GMT
I really hope we have control over our companions' garb on this game. I long ago accepted the trip to Andromeda and the breaks with lore (and logic) this would necessitate, at least in the early game. I cannot stand seeing that goofy ass Asari running around in an unzipped, midriff baring jacket, though. Ugh. I'd hoped those days were behind us. I hope I can put her in some proper armor. Don't ruin immersion from before the story even begins, BioWare. This is one of the very few things I can't easily ignore. It aggravates me greatly, to the point that I frequently won't use certain crew members based upon their improper gear. I know that cover art is just a promotional image, and they no doubt wanted their Hamburglar recognizable. Hell, Ryder is wearing N7 armor, so that's a clear departure from "the norm". Still, past experience makes me grumble. Stupid ass midriffs, topless biotics and half-mask breathers... I'll have to take my own advice from the Mako thread and wait for more info. The thing is, I actually have cause for concern. ☹️ I'm holding out hope that it will be like ME3 where we can switch to armor for all characters. I don't think I've ever completed an ME3 playthrough without instantly putting everyone in armor when I could.
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Post by trwisco on Nov 2, 2016 16:27:43 GMT
I just want to know more in general, nothing specific I guess, Its their story and I am very interested in playing it.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 2, 2016 16:28:17 GMT
I really hope we have control over our companions' garb on this game. I long ago accepted the trip to Andromeda and the breaks with lore (and logic) this would necessitate, at least in the early game. I cannot stand seeing that goofy ass Asari running around in an unzipped, midriff baring jacket, though. Ugh. I'd hoped those days were behind us. I hope I can put her in some proper armor. This isn't the same premise as the trilogy though. I don't think this is a military expedition. I don't think it's being resourced by the military at all. The protagonist has some combat training but is not a battle-hardened veteran like Shepard. His/her father is N7 but he may only be there because his progeny are. He may well be the extent of any actual military personnel on the entire trip. Chances are, the vast majority of the expedition aren't even combat trained at all, never mind having access to arms and armour! Which is also the reason, I believe, that the mako has no weapons. Of course, it wouldn't be ME without combat and weapons and armour etc. but it makes it much more reasonable that only people specifically tasked with combat-related duties would be combat equipped since such gear would probably be a very limited resource. As I recall, alliance soldiers etc. all had plenty of cybernetic implants to enhance their abilities. Without those implants they couldn't even handle wearing more than light armour for any reasonable length of time. It's entirely possible that the majority of the Andromeda expedition have no such implants and would just collapse under the weight of the kind of gear Shepard used to carry around!
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 2, 2016 16:31:09 GMT
I really hope we have control over our companions' garb on this game. I long ago accepted the trip to Andromeda and the breaks with lore (and logic) this would necessitate, at least in the early game. I cannot stand seeing that goofy ass Asari running around in an unzipped, midriff baring jacket, though. Ugh. I'd hoped those days were behind us. I hope I can put her in some proper armor. This isn't the same premise as the trilogy though. I don't think this is a military expedition. I don't think it's being resourced by the military at all. The protagonist has some combat training but is not a battle-hardened veteran like Shepard. His/her father is N7 but he may only be there because his progeny are. He may well be the extent of any actual military personnel on the entire trip. Chances are, the vast majority of the expedition aren't even combat trained at all, never mind having access to arms and armour! Which is also the reason, I believe, that the mako has no weapons. Of course, it wouldn't be ME without combat and weapons and armour etc. but it makes it much more reasonable that only people specifically tasked with combat-related duties would be combat equipped since such gear would probably be a very limited resource. I don't care if you call it a armor or a space suit. Ryder is wearing one. Everyone else we've seen has been wearing one. Anyone that wants to survive in space should be wearing one. Ditto for hostile atmosphere. The Asari needs to be wearing one. She managed to find herself a gun. In my opinion, there would at least one non-negotiable when choosing to go exploring in space-- a space suit. As to the crew not having any military training, there's no way that's the case. We won't be leading Delta Force here, but they will know how to shoot. You don't send scientists and diplomats alone into the unknown. They need protection. Plus, this is a TPS game.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 2, 2016 16:32:13 GMT
Aaand we have December Gameinformer cover Epic! ]Especially Raccoon face "A new hero rises to save humanity" That's a female N7 (tiny waist and wide hips, skinny arms), right? Who is she I wonder? Do we eventually become N7? ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ The N7 female concept art looks rushed. That right breast cup is way too far the right, while the Ninja Asari's haven't moved (both right arms are raised). Also that upper torso plate seems to come off a robot design that allows for the movement of the waist.
Anyone noticed what looks like an ARK to the left of the N7's arm near the top? And, what's with a female N7? Is there something else going on? Also, notice a male in white armour, above the Asari and a bit to the right and the shuttle above him.
Didn't Bio go and see them a week+ ago?
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Post by bshep on Nov 2, 2016 16:33:17 GMT
I disagree with a few things. The Earth being "too near" for one. Here is a picture recently taken of the Earth during an Earthrise on the moon. It looks pretty near, and similar to the video. Other images of the Earth from the moon could have been taken when the moon was farther away from the Earth, as the moon orbits in an elliptical pattern. Secondly, the moon's gravity is less and the N7 character should not be able to walk on it as if in a 1G environment EXCEPT THAT Mass Effect takes place in a universe where a material that literally manipulates mass/gravity exists. It says in the Element Zero Wiki how it is used to generate artificial gravity. I think this would be easy to implement into suits or near the Lunar Base that we see nearby in the trailer. Thirdly, it would make sense that if they built a lunar base near the site where the Eagle landed, they might build a replica of that to commemorate the even and place it there. I don't see any of these as "glaring inaccuracies." They can all be explained in lore. The image comes from NASA, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. Yes, the orbiter is above the moon's surface, but that won't change the distance the Earth is from the moon in the image. Love when I see someone use evidence to support his/her claims. Makes the scientist in me happy.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 2, 2016 16:36:54 GMT
I don't care if you call it a armor or a space suit. Ryder is wearing one. Everyone else we've seen has been wearing one. Anyone that wants to survive in space should be wearing one. Ditto for hostile atmosphere. The Asari needs to be wearing one. But they're not in space and they don't seem to be in a hostile atmosphere either. Dress for the occasion, sure, but this isn't the occasion for a space suit!
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 2, 2016 16:37:02 GMT
Well tough luck, it seems you will be stuck with her for the few initial missions at least based from the amount of marketing time she's getting. Yeah the raccoon certainly is getting a heap of marketing attention. I've gone from hoping she was just an npc character being shown to resigned that she'll be a non optional squaddie. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Ninja Asari was probably put there to resolve the romance formula (they are bi after all). Also, from the concept art, her costume won't change. I guess she can breath vacuum / toxic atmosphere while the human can't.
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Post by bshep on Nov 2, 2016 16:42:05 GMT
Unless you already have the game Sartoz you can't talk like your ideas were revealed true....
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 2, 2016 16:42:34 GMT
The second I saw the "Andromeda Initiative" logo I've concluded they probably just changed it from "Pathfinder" and maybe they call you something else and thank god for that. I don't want to hear characters go "Hey, pathfinder, I've found something". They will say "Ryder" instead, but I wonder what "Pathfinder" will be replaced with. Maybe "Initiator"? xD
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 2, 2016 16:46:38 GMT
But they're not in space and they don't seem to be in a hostile atmosphere either. Dress for the occasion, sure, but this isn't the occasion for a space suit! If you say so. I see one person dressed appropriately for an unknown environment, and the other dressed for a hangout in the park with her friends. The truth of the matter is that each is dressed as she is for marketing reasons, not because it's appropriate for the environment. As I said, my concerns are based more on past experience than on the few scenes and images we've been given from MEA, much less MEA marketing. I said I hope we don't get a repeat of topless biotics and half-mask breathers, not "Oh no, preorder canceled!" As long as I can dress the Asari like a professional who wants to survive combat and hostile environments when needed, I don't care if she dresses like a teenager aboard Tempest. Let her have some individuality. We'll see how it goes. There isn't enough info to get frustrated or overly excited over anything, at this point.
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