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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 4:01:27 GMT
in ME123,they just call shepard's name,or they call him "commmander". no body call him:"hey spectre !" about Pathfinder,this is what i think : Pathfinder = small scout. spectre = somekind of agent like 007 or Tom Cruise in Mission: Impossible as IMF agent Ethan Hunt. Pathfinder is just a small scout,they are didn't have the "right" or "power" that shepard have. So in MEA,what we do,what we can do,or the "right (or power)" we got,is just : & when we got some info,what we can do is just,report to your boss. & wait for next order. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ For obvious reasons, this N7 designation won't be given out by the human Capital administration in the cluster.
Why not? We may not be in the Milky Way, and we may not be able to send people to Rio for Interplanetary Combatives Training, but that doesn't mean the new administration in Andromeda wouldn't carry over existing traditions and organizational structures from the Milky Way. Between N7's iconic importance to the franchise, and the meteoric rise in player character power that typifies these games, I'd be a bit surprised if we aren't given a chance to attain "N7" status, in some way, but the end of the story. (If it doesn't fit into the flow of this particular story arc, I'd not be shocked to see Ryder reappear in a sequel with the N7 stripe and a promotion.) If we do get "N7ed", though, I hope it's legit, and not just "here's some N7 armor", like the Cerberus armors from ME3. N7 armor is too sacred to hand out to the uninitiated, even in Andromeda. It would be disrespectful for a non-N7 to don that armor in-game, so I'd never slap it on my character if he or she hadn't earned the designation. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 4:14:55 GMT
^ I'm not a military veteran, but I have some familiarity because I pay attention to those who are and to reliable sources. ME's negligence always irked me. The left-handed salutes, where it seemed that the image somehow got flipped; the inconsistent ranks; the soldier/marine back and forth... it doesn't help verisimilitude for those who know better. Just a little bit of attention paid toward military matters in a game that was supposedly based upon a military theme could've done wonders to help it seem more lifelike.
I view it much the same way I view the scifi elements of ME, which really fell off after the initial game (seemingly when Mac took over Lead duties, to be honest). It just seemed like they didn't view these as important details. These details could've really polished the narrative and presentation, though, had they been given their due.
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Post by Tarkus on Nov 4, 2016 4:15:20 GMT
You know, I actually like that collar thing Ryder Dad has, although I'm curious what it looks like without the chest piece on top of it (and I honestly doubt that his collar would get in the way due to wind since it isn't big enough to block his vision or get in the way of his arms, and dust shouldn't be a bother either since it's over his armor's undersuit).
You know, I hope we can customize the Ryder family ourselves or at the very least we can customize both Ryder siblings.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 4:24:49 GMT
Posted too early. About the Game Informer cover, aside from exposed midriffs, ridiculous figures, and noodle arms, the other thing that bugged me was the tagline: A NEW HERO RISES TO SAVE HUMANITYLike, really?  I hope that's not official, because it sounds so cliché, boring, and inconsistent with the game's apparent exploratory tone. Also, floating rocks and the N7 figure confused me. Hope they're explained soon! In regard to the floating rocks, I'd not worry about that too much. Art orders aren't overly specific. They request a 'female Ryder in N7 armor, masked, with Hamburglar in iconic outfit on an "alien world", Ark visible in sky.' The artist puts together their interpretation of these items, and the piece gets approved or sent back for changes. This one got approved, even though it's likely not 100% representative of what we will see in-game. Ryder probably should be wearing Ai gear. Hamburglar should be suited up, not midriffing (I hope). The Ark should look more Ark, less Citadel. The rocks shouldn't float. Etc... Art orders often result in unexpected surprises, ranging from wonderful to terrible. This one is pretty solid. It's not knocking our socks off, but it does the job. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 4:58:59 GMT
I have been seeing this on reddit and neogaf an awful lot. Weird complaints about thin arms (those arms are not thin), but in particular small waists and hourglass figures on a woman. Some women are shaped this way. Why is it an issue?  ^Funny though that there are people saying the hourglass N7 is actually a man because no boob plate armor as well. There's a whole reddit thread dedicated to proving, that as a result of this picture, we need boob plate armor back or else you cannot tell if it is a female. But what is the issue about hourglass figures on women all of the sudden? Is there a set hip-waist-ratio and anything else is taboo? It's not like she's a quarian! Ugh! For example the actress in Nuka Break has a pretty small waist, she's known for it. It's not doctored/photoshopped. See this lady:  See her here too: outu.be/GcgxXnEVVyM
Like people are getting bent out of shape (no pun intended, over this on other sites). It's kind of deja vu as I saw people getting bent out of shape on tumblr for concept art of the female Qunari with an hourglass shape too. This image was the trigger:  Women with 'ridiculous figures' do exist. I'm glad! Now maybe we can get a turian romance without the LI body shaming us human girls because our waist isn't the size of a quarian. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 5:14:52 GMT
@lagoona, people like to complain. If they thought that BioWare was going to make portly, unattractive protagonists, they were out of their minds. The male lead will have an equally appealing physique, muscular and lean.
Besides, as I mentioned in my post above to Banshee, that's not a "BioWare game asset" image. It's an art order piece. It doesn't even reflect how the protagonist's arms will really appear in-game. The complainers should at least wait for real images on Monday before they start complaining.
Also, I like your lady. If more ladies looked like her, I'd not be unhappy; just as many ladies would not complain if more guys had Chris Hemsworth's physique. I also like that Qunari image. It's the one I always see in my mind's eye as I exit the CC in disgust.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 5:35:07 GMT
@lagoona , people like to complain. If they thought that BioWare was going to make portly, unattractive protagonists, they were out of their minds. The male lead will have an equally appealing physique, muscular and lean. Besides, as I mentioned in my post above to Banshee, that's not a "BioWare game asset" image. It's an art order piece. It doesn't even reflect how the protagonist's arms will really appear in-game. The complainers should at least wait for real images on Monday before they start complaining. Also, I like your lady. If more ladies looked like her, I'd not be unhappy; just as many ladies would not complain if more guys had Chris Hemsworth's physique. I also like that Qunari image. It's the one I always see in my mind's eye as I exit the CC in disgust. I just find it so strange. There are a range of body types (as you said) for all men and women. For example, femShep was very tall, much taller than your average American woman, or in regards to myself, to your average East Asian (or half of myself) woman. She was a little too tall for my liking, but it wasn't a ridiculous height. Some women are that tall. Appearance in game? You're in for a surprise! I saw complaints (on tumblr  ) about her figure and armor:  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2016 5:43:57 GMT
Posted too early. About the Game Informer cover, aside from exposed midriffs, ridiculous figures, and noodle arms, the other thing that bugged me was the tagline: A NEW HERO RISES TO SAVE HUMANITYLike, really? I hope that's not official, because it sounds so cliché, boring, and inconsistent with the game's apparent exploratory tone. Also, floating rocks and the N7 figure confused me. Hope they're explained soon! In regard to the floating rocks, I'd not worry about that too much. Art orders aren't overly specific. They request a 'female Ryder in N7 armor, masked, with Hamburglar in iconic outfit on an "alien world", Ark visible in sky.' The artist puts together their interpretation of these items, and the piece gets approved or sent back for changes. This one got approved, even though it's likely not 100% representative of what we will see in-game. Ryder probably should be wearing Ai gear. Hamburglar should be suited up, not midriffing (I hope). The Ark should look more Ark, less Citadel. The rocks shouldn't float. Etc... Art orders often result in unexpected surprises, ranging from wonderful to terrible. This one is pretty solid. It's not knocking our socks off, but it does the job. Except Bioware themselves have put images and videos of rocks floating, so it isn't just a third party misinterpreting what was wanted. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2016 5:45:18 GMT
As for body shape, they really need to have a few presets for each sex(or even better extensive body customization options) so as many people as possible get what they want or at least have no real reason to complain.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 5:47:17 GMT
I just find it so strange. There are a range of body types (as you said) for all men and women. For example, femShep was very tall, much taller than your average American woman, or in regards to myself, to your average East Asian woman. She was a little to tall for my liking, but it wasn't a ridiculous height.Some women are that tall. Appearance in game? You're in for a surprise! I saw complaints (on tumblr ) about her figure and armor That's a cool concept, if it's BioWare's asset. I've never seen it, prior to now. Again, it's not even an in-game image. People love to complain. I really couldn't care less. Occasionally, you'll see me take the time to try to persuade someone on this site toward a less dissatisfied opinion. That's actually a sign that I like or respect that person enough to value their enjoyment of the game. In general, I couldn't care less what the nameless hordes think about this or that. It can be interesting and amusing to hear/read about it, and then shake our heads in confusion a bit, as we're doing now.  The mob in question is complaining about concept pieces at best. That GI cover piece is an art order, not even a BioWare piece. They have no real complaints, because we haven't had much of a real look at Ryder's female physique, yet. (It's funny how they never complain about the male body.) If they were more clever, they might think to gripe about the female character we see on the moon in the new trailer. Odds are that she shares Ryder's body morph. Is she too lean in the arm or waist? Oh, that's right... I don't care.  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2016 5:48:06 GMT
No need to apologize. It's fine. Hmm, it's possible but I don't see why. After all once the ships are off they are going someewhere that is definitely not Council Space. Now if say these were built to escape the Reapers, and the Reapers strike the place where the Arks are being built and they jump, a SPECTRE could be coming along since they could have been overseeing the operation when they leave. I guess all depends (once more) on the circumstances Andromeda Initiative is born and the moment we leave. However, I can imagine the Council infiltrating a Spectre in the Project without the Reaper threat: 1) to prevent the possibility Ai is a coverup of the Alliance for other kind of project inside Council Space 2) to check the Arks construction (because they are creating the Arks INSIDE Council Space) 3) to spy the type of technology they are using for the journey Those reasons make sense for a SPECTRE to be there, but not for them to be stuck along for the ride if the departure isn't an emergency. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 5:49:27 GMT
As for body shape, they really need to have a few presets for each sex(or even better extensive body customization options) so as many people as possible get what they want or at least have no real reason to complain. This would be ideal, but we can't even get useable hair and eyebrow options.  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2016 5:53:36 GMT
I really doubt BioWare would get into that level of detail. They seemed pretty quick to mix "Marine" with "Soldier" and treat the terms as interchangeable.
Maybe US Marines are unique, in that the officer ranks align with the Army and Air Force, with the Navy Ranks being different. It was jarring to me to hear a Marine referred to as Lt. Commander.
To be fair, the way Bioware set up the Systems Alliance military it does make sense for the terms 'soldier' and 'marine' to be interchangable. Here is the Codex entry about their ranking system that explains it: Systems Alliance: Military Ranks The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personnel, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers. The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen. In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are: ENLISTED Serviceman 3rd Class/Private 2nd Class Serviceman 2nd Class/Private 1st Class Serviceman 1st Class/Corporal NCOs Service Chief Gunnery Chief Operations Chief OFFICERS 2nd Lieutenant 1st Lieutenant Staff Lieutenant Lieutenant Commander Staff Commander Captain/Major Rear Admiral/General Admiral Fleet Admiral |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 6:25:03 GMT
Except Bioware themselves have put images and videos of rocks floating, so it isn't just a third party misinterpreting what was wanted. Well, they are familiar with gravity, so I assume there's a good reason for it. The images you saw may have been respresentative of the surface of an asteroid, like we saw in "Bringing Down the Sky". There were large bits of X-57 floating about in that DLC, but it didn't seem like magic was at play. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2016 6:30:10 GMT
Except Bioware themselves have put images and videos of rocks floating, so it isn't just a third party misinterpreting what was wanted. Well, they are familiar with gravity, so I assume there's a good reason for it. The images you saw may have been respresentative of the surface of an asteroid, like we saw in "Bringing Down the Sky". There were large bits of X-57 floating about in that DLC, but it didn't seem like magic was at play.  This is definitely not an asteroid, yet it has absolutely massive rocks floating. |
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 4, 2016 6:30:12 GMT
As for body shape, they really need to have a few presets for each sex(or even better extensive body customization options) so as many people as possible get what they want or at least have no real reason to complain. This would be ideal, but we can't even get useable hair and eyebrow options. Well in DAI we had body types for each races and I think they said they were planning something like that when the MC was only human, so we might get different body types. Hopefully they learnt from DAI and they'll give us decent options. The female ponytail in the E3 video was actually good. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 6:32:23 GMT
I really doubt BioWare would get into that level of detail. They seemed pretty quick to mix "Marine" with "Soldier" and treat the terms as interchangeable.
Maybe US Marines are unique, in that the officer ranks align with the Army and Air Force, with the Navy Ranks being different. It was jarring to me to hear a Marine referred to as Lt. Commander.
To be fair, the Alliance military only consists of two branches: the Alliance Navy and the ground forces which are all referred to as Marines. So in the Systems Alliance, for human military ground personnel 'soldier' and 'marine' are interchangable. And they have a Codex entry explaining the ranks:
Systems Alliance: Military Ranks
The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personnel, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers.
The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen.
In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are:
ENLISTED
Serviceman 3rd Class/Private 2nd Class
Serviceman 2nd Class/Private 1st Class
Serviceman 1st Class/Corporal
NCOs
Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief
OFFICERS
2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral
In the Naval Department, you have two Services ... Navy and Marine Corps. Soldiers are not part of the mix. Navy personnel are Sailors. Marine Corps personnel are Marines. Army personnel are Soldiers. Air Force personnel are Airman. To use the term Soldier, when referring to a Marine ... is an insult to both the Soldier and the Marine.
It makes sense for Marines to be on a Navy ship ... that is pretty much what makes them Marines. But Marines are not Army. Marines are primarily an expeditionary force, light, without a lot of sustainability. For larger engagements, for extended engagements, you would typically see Army forces. But that would be for taking control of a country, a continent, a planet ... an invasion force. Not fighting light skirmishes at some outposts on some barren planets. In game, they mix and match someone being Navy ... or Marine ... or Navy ... again, interchangeably.
I'm aware of the codex on rank, it is a mishmash and does not seem to understand the difference between the Army and Marines. It uses Soldier and Marine, army and marine (lower case) interchangeably.
If the N7 folks are the descendants of Navy SEALs, it would make sense for them to have Navy ranks ... the codex doesn't say that, I'm just making an assumption. But they equate Navy Captain (O-6) with a Major (O-4). I don't recall Shepard being referred to as "Staff Commander" ... but as an O-5, using the codex, that should have been his rank and how he was addressed. A couple times, they muck up Williams' rank, referring to her as Lt. Williams ... that would never happen. You might call a Lieutenant Commander (O-4) "Commander" or LC ... but not Lieutenant. Never. Unless you were trying to insult or demean her. Too many times, in game, the words are dorked up. Maybe for those without a military background, it glides by ... but it is jarring to others like me. If the verbiage matched the codex, then I'd say ... well, that's just the rank structure ... but they don't even follow their own codex.
I think because of the mistakes, it boils down to what I originally stated, BioWare didn't really put a lot of attention to detail on the subject. For those without a military background, it probably sounds fine. Just as it sounds fine to a civilian, when they refer to a Marine as a Soldier ... but to those wearing the uniform, not so much.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 4, 2016 9:02:18 GMT
As for body shape, they really need to have a few presets for each sex(or even better extensive body customization options) so as many people as possible get what they want or at least have no real reason to complain. If it'll be TOR-like choice between McDonald's Victim/Ogre/Noodle, then I'll be complaining. Instead of boob plate we have nipple cups here, so what's the problem?.  Internet is just dense like that sometimes. |
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Post by NRieh on Nov 4, 2016 10:12:14 GMT
The rocks shouldn't float. Etc... The background must be a leftover from some Trespasser promo...  (Actually I'm not so sure those are 'floating' more like 'the rocks are going down and fallin' apart' to me.) Stiil, that cover is all wrong and has no more sense than Lunar Ark. I'm not sure what to make of it yet. 'saving the galaxy' does not match any previous info we had been given so far. 'you're not N7' had been stated multiple times. Placing a random unknown female non-PC on the promo\cover is a crappy idea too. |
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Post by NRieh on Nov 4, 2016 10:22:05 GMT
My guess is that they are trying to replay the DAI 'neutral gender PC' trick. Most of the early concepts and vids (and the cover too) had a vaguely shaped 'androgynous' figure in helmet. If that's the case than they had failed with this one. Promo-Inquizitor could fit either of genders, this one fits none (well, more like a female, but still).
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 4, 2016 10:39:34 GMT
The rocks shouldn't float. Etc... The background must be a leftover from some Trespasser promo... (Actually I'm not so sure those are 'floating' more like 'the rocks are going down and fallin' apart' to me.) Stiil, that cover is all wrong and has no more sense than Lunar Ark. I'm not sure what to make of it yet. 'saving the galaxy' does not match any previous info we had been given so far. 'you're not N7' had been stated multiple times. Placing a random unknown female non-PC on the promo\cover is a crappy idea too. The title on the cover might be just something the journalist came up with. As for the N7, that character is obvious Ryder. We just don't know if we can use that armour or if we get promoted during the game, though in the latter case it's a bit of a spoiler. |
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Post by hivemind on Nov 4, 2016 11:12:22 GMT
I think N7 will become more than just an elite spec ops rank. We already seen some hints to tribal themes. I think N7 might become sort of a sacred knight order.
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Post by KirkyX on Nov 4, 2016 12:07:31 GMT
It's time for another glorious multiquote that will inevitably cause aggravation when dissenters attempt to reply to it. Sorry 1. I'm really wondering who she is, too, because that isn't just N7 armour, it's the exact same armour Dad Ryder has, down to the collar flap that's generating so much heat (metaphorically, you know, since it's definitely not literally keeping heat in! Zing! I'll leave after this post, don't worry). Clearly, it must be FemDad Ryder It can't be the protagonist unless she's pretending to be an N7, and she can't become an N7 on account of not being a member of Special Forces, for which the "N" is designatory. With that in mind, it's tinfoil hat theory time: Choosing the protagonist's gender not only changes your sibling's, but also your parent's!  Because seriously, I'm drawing a blank as to what this is supposed to be. If you remember, we had a male and female in this armour in one of the earliest released concept art pieces, so it does seem like they're different characters. My only other guess is that they're just doing it for brand recognition. 2. I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I wasn't really even trying to start a debate about it, just say that I thought it was funny how different people remember things differently. In my case, my mind jumps to what I stated instead of the more negative things. I have a habit of not being able to get my thoughts out correctly though, so it might have sounded more argumentative  3. "Your guess is as good as mine. Probably better in fact" (because I don't have one) Oh I'm definitely happy about the lack of boob-moulding!  Sad about the seeming return of noodle arms, though and would also like to see some more variety in female appearance - not everyone has to be a model. But we've more than covered that conversation  Huh, I never thought of that similarity! Weird! I wonder if it was on purpose. Haha, yeah, you probably should. But you never know, there might be some cosmic entity or space magic ready to save you! 1. Yeah, I'm drawing a blank on who that might be, though everything about the scene just screams 'protagonist' to me. Maybe the idea is that they've changed the way the N7 designation works, in light of the fact that all the N7 training facilities are now a galaxy away - and, well, blown up, though they may not know that - so now it's something you earn in the field, regardless of which division you're part of? Eh. On the armour concept art--is this, from a 2014 GDC talk, what you're referring to?  It's definitely very similar. I could see the current armour having evolved out of it--or, since the GDC talk makes reference to the game's armour system being modular, beyond even what ME2-3 had, I suppose it could just be some of the parts from the N7 gear in the trailers/on the cover combined with bits from another armour set. The 'Your Hero' slide heading again hints at this being the protagonist, but then, I suppose it could be a coy reference to their being your parent(s) instead. (EDIT: Just refreshed myself on the video. It's definitely the second option--they show it without all the gubbins tacked on later.) 2. Ah, yeah, sorry if I went a bit over-the-top there.  3. On noodle arms--I think we may still have some cause for hope, there! 'Cause, yeah, cover-N7's arms are super thin, but if you look at whoever-that-is standing behind N7 Dad in the trailer - I still think it's just Ryder, even with the tweets, but not long now before we find out for sure! - her arms look much thicker (than cover-N7's) to my eye at least, even if it is hard to tell for sure 'cause of the camera perspective:  And, going back to that early concept art up above, the two N7s - male on the left, female on the right - have arms of similar bulk, as well. Hell, maybe *gasps* this could be an indication that the long-prophesied body type options (!!!) are finally making an appearance. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 4, 2016 12:23:42 GMT
My guess is that they are trying to replay the DAI 'neutral gender PC' trick. Most of the early concepts and vids (and the cover too) had a vaguely shaped 'androgynous' figure in helmet. If that's the case than they had failed with this one. Promo-Inquizitor could fit either of genders, this one fits none (well, more like a female, but still). I don't think so? It's pretty obvious it's a male Inquisitor in the cover art, and all other promos I have seen. Unless you have something in specific I have missed? |
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 4, 2016 12:32:03 GMT
My guess is that they are trying to replay the DAI 'neutral gender PC' trick. Most of the early concepts and vids (and the cover too) had a vaguely shaped 'androgynous' figure in helmet. If that's the case than they had failed with this one. Promo-Inquizitor could fit either of genders, this one fits none (well, more like a female, but still). I don't think so? It's pretty obvious it's a male Inquisitor in the cover art, and all other promos I have seen. Unless you have something in specific I have missed? He's referring to the various gameplay videos around E3 and Gamescom where they showcased a female Inquisitor. |
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I hope that's not official, because it sounds so cliché, boring, and inconsistent with the game's apparent exploratory tone. Also, floating rocks and the N7 figure confused me. Hope they're explained soon!
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Sad about the seeming return of noodle arms, though 
