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Post by themikefest on Nov 4, 2016 12:34:21 GMT
To be fair, the way Bioware set up the Systems Alliance military it does make sense for the terms 'soldier' and 'marine' to be interchangable. Here is the Codex entry about their ranking system that explains it: Systems Alliance: Military Ranks The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personnel, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers. The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen. In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are: ENLISTED Serviceman 3rd Class/Private 2nd Class Serviceman 2nd Class/Private 1st Class Serviceman 1st Class/Corporal NCOs Service Chief Gunnery Chief Operations Chief OFFICERS 2nd Lieutenant 1st Lieutenant Staff Lieutenant Lieutenant Commander Staff Commander Captain/Major Rear Admiral/General Admiral Fleet Admiral You know what's funny about that? Tell me. I will. Look at Traynor's rank. I will. She is a specialist. There is no specialist ranking in the Alliance. The Alliance is Biowares military and they can't even get that straight. I have posted this same issue in the things that don't make sense thread. If it was me, I would've made Traynor an Officer to avoid any confusion |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 4, 2016 12:49:13 GMT
I don't think so? It's pretty obvious it's a male Inquisitor in the cover art, and all other promos I have seen. Unless you have something in specific I have missed? He's referring to the various gameplay videos around E3 and Gamescom where they showcased a female Inquisitor. DAi approach. Androgynous Inquisitor. Probably not. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 13:08:46 GMT
To be fair, the way Bioware set up the Systems Alliance military it does make sense for the terms 'soldier' and 'marine' to be interchangable. Here is the Codex entry about their ranking system that explains it: Systems Alliance: Military Ranks The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personnel, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers. The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen. In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are: ENLISTED Serviceman 3rd Class/Private 2nd Class Serviceman 2nd Class/Private 1st Class Serviceman 1st Class/Corporal NCOs Service Chief Gunnery Chief Operations Chief OFFICERS 2nd Lieutenant 1st Lieutenant Staff Lieutenant Lieutenant Commander Staff Commander Captain/Major Rear Admiral/General Admiral Fleet Admiral You know what's funny about that? Tell me. I will. Look at Traynor's rank. I will. She is a specialist. There is no specialist ranking in the Alliance. The Alliance is Biowares military and they can't even get that straight. I have posted this same issue in the things that don't make sense thread. If it was me, I would've made Traynor an Officer to avoid any confusion It's more than that. What about Flight Lieutenant ... you know, Joker's rank? MIA. Ensign ... another rank used in-game by ~16 people (hint: Kahlee Sanders) ... that is MIA in the list of ranks. So yeah, back to my original assertion ... this is an area that is academic for BioWare, not something they "live" ... so when they get it wrong, it doesn't jangle in their ears. We get uniforms that place insignia in different places for whatever reason, because for the artists, the concept of uniform doesn't always include the concept of uniformity. The artists might ... I don't know this ... might be surprised that the military has manuals on where everything goes, to include distances from seams, angles, dimensions.
I think the reality is that they didn't think about it. Fans who notice the discrepancies, come up with justifications in an effort to make it less jarring, which is what I've done. So ... not really hating on BioWare, just dealing with some of the jarring mistakes ... trying to make them less so ... and moving on. You know what, overall, most people don't notice. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 13:21:55 GMT
You know what's funny about that? Tell me. I will. Look at Traynor's rank. I will. She is a specialist. There is no specialist ranking in the Alliance. The Alliance is Biowares military and they can't even get that straight. I have posted this same issue in the things that don't make sense thread. If it was me, I would've made Traynor an Officer to avoid any confusion It's more than that. What about Flight Lieutenant ... you know, Joker's rank? MIA. Ensign ... another rank used in-game by ~16 people (hint: Kahlee Sanders) ... that is MIA in the list of ranks. So yeah, back to my original assertion ... this is an area that is academic for BioWare, not something they "live" ... so when they get it wrong, it doesn't jangle in their ears. We get uniforms that place insignia in different places for whatever reason, because for the artists, the concept of uniform doesn't always include the concept of uniformity. The artists might ... I don't know this ... might be surprised that the military has manuals on where everything goes, to include distances from seams, angles, dimensions.
I think the reality is that they didn't think about it. Fans who notice the discrepancies, come up with justifications in an effort to make it less jarring, which is what I've done. So ... not really hating on BioWare, just dealing with some of the jarring mistakes ... trying to make them less so ... and moving on. You know what, overall, most people don't notice. Some people also do notice, but just shrug and go, oh well... it's just a game. The game never followed any real protocols regarding rank... and not just regarding uniforms. A mere commander gives the order for the fleets to fire in the "final" battle of a galactic war while there are admirals on the decks of several of those ships? I still say that Hackett should have given that order. The only thing about rank that became clear as the game progressed is that it has absolutely no meaning in the Alliance whatsoever. Shrug... it's just a game. |
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 4, 2016 13:52:49 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Bio is great at story telling. Not so great at understanding the concept of Chain-of-Command.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 4, 2016 13:53:16 GMT
Holy shite, I hope you guys are joking about the velcro neck thing. I was actually expecting BW to be joking about it, because it makes no sense. Step one go to google Step two google NASA space suits Step three become outraged because the suits have all sorts of things of a similar nature, perhaps not right on the neck but at other places on the suit. Step four realize that there can be 1001 good reasons for a different suit design a thousand years in the future. |
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 4, 2016 13:54:17 GMT
I was actually expecting BW to be joking about it, because it makes no sense. Imagine trying to deal with that thing in a windy environment. Dust, grit, and your stupid jacket-flap smacking your mask.  Gee perhaps that is why it has a velcro like attachment so that you can do it up and prevent all of that dust and grit and such from accumulating around your helmet lock on piece. |
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Nov 4, 2016 14:13:14 GMT
Imagine trying to deal with that thing in a windy environment. Dust, grit, and your stupid jacket-flap smacking your mask. Gee perhaps that is why it has a velcro like attachment so that you can do it up and prevent all of that dust and grit and such from accumulating around your helmet lock on piece. I thought that it was some kind of "neck armor" like nowdays |
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Post by themikefest on Nov 4, 2016 14:17:24 GMT
Some people also do notice, but just shrug and go, oh well... it's just a game. Even though its been over 25 years since I was in the military, I still notice things like that. But since its Bioware's military, they can do whatever they want whether it makes sense or not I would rather have Fleet Admiral Irix Coronati lead the fleets to Earth and give that order. |
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 4, 2016 14:22:43 GMT
It's time for another glorious multiquote that will inevitably cause aggravation when dissenters attempt to reply to it. Sorry  Space is a pretty forgiving place to build big stuff. I wouldn't assume that Dreadnoughts represent any kind of upper limit - warships need to be fast, but a civillian ship has no such limitation. Even on Earth, there are a whole bunch of civilian ships that are bigger than any warship. That's true, but we're talking absolutely massive. Something that would take decades to built under normal circumstances, not to mention an insane amount of resources, credits, and personnel. y time. BIG Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Funny.
I was under the impression that circumstances were not normal and that the ARKs are transport vessels... a not overly complex construction project.
In any case it's a fan discussion that the game design is blissfully ignorant, regardless of who is right.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 4, 2016 14:33:37 GMT
To be fair, the way Bioware set up the Systems Alliance military it does make sense for the terms 'soldier' and 'marine' to be interchangable. Here is the Codex entry about their ranking system that explains it: Systems Alliance: Military Ranks The Alliance uses a modified version of the ranking system that has been used for hundreds of years. Soldiers are classified into rank-and-file enlisted personnel, experienced non-commissioned officers (NCOs), and specially trained officers. The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen. In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are: ENLISTED Serviceman 3rd Class/Private 2nd Class Serviceman 2nd Class/Private 1st Class Serviceman 1st Class/Corporal NCOs Service Chief Gunnery Chief Operations Chief OFFICERS 2nd Lieutenant 1st Lieutenant Staff Lieutenant Lieutenant Commander Staff Commander Captain/Major Rear Admiral/General Admiral Fleet Admiral You know what's funny about that? Tell me. I will. Look at Traynor's rank. I will. She is a specialist. There is no specialist ranking in the Alliance. The Alliance is Biowares military and they can't even get that straight. I have posted this same issue in the things that don't make sense thread. If it was me, I would've made Traynor an Officer to avoid any confusion In the Army specialist and corporal are the same rank with one being a technical position and the other being a leadership one....which would make sense given her role. Bio is inconsistent in this area though. |
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Post by themikefest on Nov 4, 2016 14:36:19 GMT
In the Army specialist and corporal are the same rank with one being a technical position and the other being a leadership one....which would make sense given her role. Bio is inconsistent in this area though. I know. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 14:48:27 GMT
Well, they are familiar with gravity, so I assume there's a good reason for it. The images you saw may have been respresentative of the surface of an asteroid, like we saw in "Bringing Down the Sky". There were large bits of X-57 floating about in that DLC, but it didn't seem like magic was at play. This is definitely not an asteroid, yet it has absolutely massive rocks floating. Yep. Strange tech at play? I'll wait to play before I assume stupidity/rule-of-cool, though it's certainly a strong possibility. This is a game based upon mass manipulation technology. I've seen worse than seemingly weightless rocks, such as floating Asari. The Asari issue was stupid. These stones may make sense, in context, of which we have none. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 14:53:43 GMT
This would be ideal, but we can't even get useable hair and eyebrow options.  Well in DAI we had body types for each races and I think they said they were planning something like that when the MC was only human, so we might get different body types. Hopefully they learnt from DAI and they'll give us decent options. The female ponytail in the E3 video was actually good. I wasn't impressed by the pony-tail, but it was good comparatively. One can definitely hope. This is all stuff we reasonably should have by now. BioWare is inexplicably hard-headed about this. When I read former employees talking about how the old guard higher-ups resist new ideas and shoot down innovation, I always think of some smug idiot saying, more or less, "They don't need X options to play a game. They bought the first Y games without them, didn't they. We'll keep the CC as is." |
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 4, 2016 15:04:35 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ LOL,
We have not talked about hair for some time now...
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 15:34:23 GMT
Imagine trying to deal with that thing in a windy environment. Dust, grit, and your stupid jacket-flap smacking your mask. Gee perhaps that is why it has a velcro like attachment so that you can do it up and prevent all of that dust and grit and such from accumulating around your helmet lock on piece. I didn't say anything about dust and grit accumulating. I said the dust and grit would be smacking your mask, as would the silly, dangling flap. Yes, buckling that thing somewhere would be the wise thing to do, but where the hell does the ill aligned thing attach? It's hard to tell in the assets we have. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they actually designed a functional piece, in this case. I believe it was PCthug who speculated that the flap was added to distinguish this N7 from Shepard for marketing purposes. That is likely the truth of the matter. While it does the job, I think it makes Ryder, Sr. look like an asshat. |
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Post by Monk on Nov 4, 2016 15:41:09 GMT
What i'm expecting is that dudeN7 and dude(tte)N7 take off their helms, in space, and glorious, glorious hair will spill out and fall appropriately, as if on Earth, even though the shot's taken on Luna. This will both infuriate us and please us, and further BioWare's troll of us…
(i don't think they're trolling, well much anyway, but it's a funny thought thought. And regards to all the past couple pages… it's called artistic license; something which irritates many of people)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 15:43:06 GMT
Some people also do notice, but just shrug and go, oh well... it's just a game. Even though its been over 25 years since I was in the military, I still notice things like that. But since its Bioware's military, they can do whatever they want whether it makes sense or not I would rather have Fleet Admiral Irix Coronati lead the fleets to Earth and give that order. Is Coronati even ever mentioned in the games at all? I don't recall hearing it. I only mentioned Hackett because he's the highest ranking Alliance officer named I'm familiar with. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 15:50:30 GMT
Even though its been over 25 years since I was in the military, I still notice things like that. But since its Bioware's military, they can do whatever they want whether it makes sense or not I would rather have Fleet Admiral Irix Coronati lead the fleets to Earth and give that order. Is Coronati even ever mentioned in the games at all? I don't recall hearing it. I've never heard of him, so probably not, outside of possible Codex entries. I'd have been content with Hackett given the order, since it was humanity that scrambled to build the alliance, not the other species. Everyone knew that, and seemed to respect it. Humanity had been at the forefront of the entire Reaper War, and had risen accordingly. That was a huge part of the story, as we all know. Shepard giving the order was a bit weird, but I understand why they did it. I wonder if that was a scene about which they had internal debates? Personally, I'd have gone with Hackett, since he's the most recognizable senior commander in the series. |
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Post by shechinah on Nov 4, 2016 15:50:59 GMT
Even though its been over 25 years since I was in the military, I still notice things like that. But since its Bioware's military, they can do whatever they want whether it makes sense or not I would rather have Fleet Admiral Irix Coronati lead the fleets to Earth and give that order. Is Coronati even ever mentioned in the games at all? I don't recall hearing it. I only mentioned Hackett because he's the highest ranking Alliance officer named I'm familiar with. I've only found mention of Irix Coronati in a codex entry but I don't recall if it was mention outside of the codex in the game. |
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 4, 2016 15:56:17 GMT
What i'm expecting is that dudeN7 and dude(tte)N7 take off their helms, in space, and glorious, glorious hair will spill out and fall appropriately, as if on Earth, even though the shot's taken on Luna. This will both infuriate us and please us, and further BioWare's troll of us… (i don't think they're trolling, well much anyway, but it's a funny thought thought. And regards to all the past couple pages… it's called artistic license; something which irritates many of people) Will he also take a deep breath and wink at the "camera"? Only later will we be told about the corridors of atmosphere and artificial gravity near some of Luna's outposts, maintained by subterranean mass effect field generators, as experienced on Menae. Nah. That would be overplaying their hand. Better to end the scene with the glorious hair, and maybe a wink. |
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Post by helios969 on Nov 4, 2016 16:04:50 GMT
In the Army specialist and corporal are the same rank with one being a technical position and the other being a leadership one....which would make sense given her role. Bio is inconsistent in this area though. I know. My bad. |
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Post by themikefest on Nov 4, 2016 16:47:01 GMT
Is Coronati even ever mentioned in the games at all? I don't recall hearing it. I only mentioned Hackett because he's the highest ranking Alliance officer named I'm familiar with. He's the one that led the turians against the reapers that destroyed several capital ships at the beginning of the game. So he knows what he's doing when it comes to fighting multiple reapers. He's only mentioned in the codex during the Battle Of Palaven. |
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 4, 2016 18:39:08 GMT
I just find it so strange. There are a range of body types (as you said) for all men and women. For example, femShep was very tall, much taller than your average American woman, or in regards to myself, to your average East Asian (or half of myself) woman. She was a little too tall for my liking, but it wasn't a ridiculous height. Some women are that tall. Appearance in game? You're in for a surprise! I saw complaints (on tumblr  ) about her figure and armor:  It wouldn't be tumblr(Or BSN) if they didn't complain about physical characteristics.  Also Fem!Ryder's armor looks practical and sexy. |
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Post by Monk on Nov 4, 2016 18:43:48 GMT
What i'm expecting is that dudeN7 and dude(tte)N7 take off their helms, in space, and glorious, glorious hair will spill out and fall appropriately, as if on Earth, even though the shot's taken on Luna. This will both infuriate us and please us, and further BioWare's troll of us… (i don't think they're trolling, well much anyway, but it's a funny thought thought. And regards to all the past couple pages… it's called artistic license; something which irritates many of people) Will he also take a deep breath and wink at the "camera"? Only later will we be told about the corridors of atmosphere and artificial gravity near some of Luna's outposts, maintained by subterranean mass effect field generators, as experienced on Menae. Nah. That would be overplaying their hand. Better to end the scene with the glorious hair, and maybe a wink. *as they start explaining the atmosphere*  |
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) about her figure and armor: