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Post by Iakus on Dec 2, 2016 20:13:58 GMT
For the chemical thrusters once they drop into sublight speeds, yes. However, maintaining ftl speeds would mean constantly running an electric current into the eezo core. Otherwise, teh mass effect field collapses and they drop out of FTL. According to the codex, this is a bad Thing: If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal Cherenkov radiation.Now, if they found a way to recycle the static discharge, that would greatly increase the efficiency of the engines, increase the overall range of the ship, and keep it from going KABOOM if the eezo core runs too long. But the ship still needs fuel to power that electric current. Plus other things like the stasis pods, life support and such Now it's possible that the ship drops out of ftl from time to time to harvest hydrogen (maybe the zig-zag patterns are to get to stray gas giants observed drifting out in dark space?) but that would lengthen the time it takes to get to Andromeda. If theres gas giants out in deep space, that could explain the 600 year journey. Going in a straight line (ish) they'd be traveling rather slow compared to other ships in Milky Way galaxy travel at. Also wouldn't take long to refuel, I also don't think the core requires nearly as much as the thrusters. Anyway they'd be traveling at 11 light years per day instead of the 13-15 most ships go at. Sooo maybe they're traveling at more like 13 and they are making stops at gas giants or something or whatever floating out in deep space. To be fair, they never actually explain what fuels the Eezo-Cores outside of electricity. Hydrogen fuel cells would make some sense (since that's still an electrical engine at that point, for cars anyway). But 'fueling' in ME2/3 was entirely for the thrusters, not the core. I always kinda assumed, since they never explained it outside of 'electricity!' that it was similar to a nuclear sub. It just needs water to keep running, doesn't really refuel during it's lifetime. Which, granted, is only 25-ish years for a nuke-sub. Far cry from 600 year space journey. But I find it weird we'd be using an actual fuel source to power space ships systems. Thrusters I can understand, you need some kind of propellant and all that. But the electrical systems, the Eezo-core? There probably using something a bit more permanent. Little more long lasting then something that needs refueling every few days. Then again like I mentioned, maybe it is hydrogen fuel cells for the eezo core and hydrogen based jet fuel for the thrusters. Would make sense I guess, just collect hydrogen and use it how you need it in whatever systems. My assumption has always been that the fuel was at least in part for the eezo core. In ME2/3 we used fuel in traveling between systems in a cluster, which must amount to at least a few LY distance. Going purely sublight with chemical rockets that would a trip of years (at least)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 20:15:12 GMT
Didn't see anyone answer you on this. Short answer is it doesn't need to. It's space, you don't need fuel for the thrusters once your at speed. Issue is getting up to speed, and slowing down. Both of those will consume fuel quickly, once your at speed though you don't need to burn fuel for the thrusters anymore. Pretty sure the scoops exist as a means to reliably get fuel once they're in Andromeda as there aren't Milky Way fueling stations all over the place there. Adhin is on point here regarding FTL travel. "The Expanse" TV show and/or book series is a good example of acceleration and deceleration in space. Luckily, in the Mass Effect universe there are Mass Effect fields which prevents the need for crash seats and BP drugs The only explanation I can think of for the zigzag through deep space is adjustments for gravitational waves from pulsars, black holes, or random stars. Speaking of which, who's piloting these things for 600 years anyways??? Probably a bunch of VIs are piloting them, maybe shackled AIs since a few companies are allowed to work on them like Synthetic Insights.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 2, 2016 20:16:54 GMT
Adhin is on point here regarding FTL travel. "The Expanse" TV show and/or book series is a good example of acceleration and deceleration in space. Luckily, in the Mass Effect universe there are Mass Effect fields which prevents the need for crash seats and BP drugs The only explanation I can think of for the zigzag through deep space is adjustments for gravitational waves from pulsars, black holes, or random stars. Speaking of which, who's piloting these things for 600 years anyways??? Probably a bunch of VIs are piloting them, maybe shackled AIs since a few companies are allowed to work on them like Synthetic Insights. The crew (or part of the crew) may also wake up from time to time to check on things, then go back into stasis. You know, make sure the VIs/AIs aren't plotting to rebel
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 2, 2016 20:18:43 GMT
My assumption has always been that the fuel was at least in part for the eezo core. In ME2/3 we used fuel in traveling between systems in a cluster, which must amount to at least a few LY distance. Going purely sublight with chemical rockets that would a trip of years (at least) Of course Core needs fuel, once you stop charging it - you drop out of FTL.
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Post by revanshep78 on Dec 2, 2016 20:22:35 GMT
Probably a bunch of VIs are piloting them, maybe shackled AIs since a few companies are allowed to work on them like Synthetic Insights. The crew (or part of the crew) may also wake up from time to time to check on things, then go back into stasis. You know, make sure the VIs/AIs aren't plotting to rebel I forgot about Synthetic Insights! You make a good point. I was leaning more towards the AI research that was being done at the Luna base which lead to EDI's creation. Which ironically is literally right around the corner from where the Ark is being built. Very random thought that just occurred to me. It'd be interesting the VI/AI is Quarian. They are the AI experts in the universe. I know the Quarians are a favorite species of a lot of fans. This might be a way to have them "in game" without having them in Andromeda. The only reason I say this is that I find it hard to believe a significant number of Quarians would abandon their race to try and populate Andromeda when there are so few of them around.
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Post by Bacus on Dec 2, 2016 20:24:30 GMT
Ha!, i loved this video, a lot more so than the gameplay trailer!
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Post by bshep on Dec 2, 2016 20:32:03 GMT
Avina, what have they done to you!? You used to be such a neat and pretty design. They gave DobbyAvina clothes! DobbyAvina is free now! Umm, aside from being sorta blue-green rather than purple, she looks pretty much the same... NOOOO...She is using virtual clothes. Let her naked bioware!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 20:53:34 GMT
- The Nexus/Arks use an ODSY drive system (geddit? Odyssey) You would think that the Andromeda Initiative would share this revolutionary new drive with the rest of the Milky Way galaxy, especially since it would be able to fit in Dreadnoughts, so that they can be able to go around the Milky Way without using Mass Relays, especially the last couple years after they know of the Reaper threat. But screw everyone else, right?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 20:55:35 GMT
She had clothes on her previous design. And had a beautiful color scheme and patterns. If you call that clothes, yeah, sure. I don't see how that isn't clothes. It is obvious, like for example the collar at the base of her neck or the zipper along the front like ME1 Light Armor.
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Post by Adhin on Dec 2, 2016 20:57:31 GMT
My assumption has always been that the fuel was at least in part for the eezo core. In ME2/3 we used fuel in traveling between systems in a cluster, which must amount to at least a few LY distance. Going purely sublight with chemical rockets that would a trip of years (at least) Yeah I didn't, and I still don't. The Codex only mentions needing to refuel for the thrusters, not the Eezo-Core (the FTL drive). I mean it obviously has to run on 'something' for that electric current. But those Cores is supposed to make space travel and getting off planets cheaper and easier. If the Core is devouring fuel faster then the jets that would be the exact opposite. You know what I mean? The Fueling in ME2/3 was just for the thrusters, was also bullshit gaming mechanics that requires we 'fuel' way more often then we should of lol. I also highly doubt the same fuel would be used for the thrusters that would also generate the electricity for the FTL Core. That would just be a huge waste of energy. May still be using Hydrogen mind you, but they'd have to be prepared differently for the thrusters vs whatever creates the electrical current for the Eezo-Core engine. I'd go as far to say the eezo-core is a more permanent situation then I think some people consider. Think of it like Heat-syncs in guns as of ME2. There might be 50 thousand rounds worth of pew-pewing in that metal block (the eezo-core) but you need to swap heat syncs often (fuel for the thrusters).
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 2, 2016 20:59:16 GMT
If you call that clothes, yeah, sure. I don't see how that isn't clothes. It is obvious, like for example the collar at the base of her neck or the zipper along the front like ME1 Light Armor. Then it's also obvious that she has a mask on her face.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 20:59:36 GMT
I see a lot of people forgetting that the AI is supposed to be secret ad private founded.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 2, 2016 21:01:39 GMT
I don't see how that isn't clothes. It is obvious, like for example the collar at the base of her neck or the zipper along the front like ME1 Light Armor. Then it's also obvious that she has a mask on her face. Then give me proof she isn't wearing clothes then. I see a lot of people forgetting that the AI is supposed to be secret ad private founded. It's not secret. Where are you getting that? How can it be secret while getting tens of thousands of people to sign up? Plus I have doubts it is privately funded. A venture this expensive isn't possible with just private investments. It is a private venture, but so were the Corsairs but they were only not part of the Alliance by name, like the Flying Tigers in WW2.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 21:07:39 GMT
I've read somewhere in one of those Reddit summaries. If it was a mistake, that makes the project even more plausible, then. Works for me.
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Post by Adhin on Dec 2, 2016 21:17:41 GMT
Well I don't think the AI project is, entirely, secret. Pretty sure it started out that way, maybe not directly intentional but just you start a project it's not like the world immediately knows about it unless you tell people. But initially private or not, it definitely goes public for recruitment around the time Shepard is dead in ME2. And launchs sometime after ME2 main game but before Shep blows that one relay I forget the name too. Anyway, public but not necessarily something that we'd see during any of the past games, or at least is easily explained how we 'missed it' as Shepard. That wont be enough for some people but oh well.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 2, 2016 21:21:04 GMT
I've read somewhere in one of those Reddit summaries. If it was a mistake, that makes the project even more plausible, then. Works for me. "Secret project" comes from german PC gamer article, in case anyone wondered. It's a subject to journalist interpretations and mistranslations though.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 21:24:09 GMT
I've read somewhere in one of those Reddit summaries. If it was a mistake, that makes the project even more plausible, then. Works for me. "Secret project" comes from german PC gamer article, in case anyone wondered. It's a subject to journalist interpretations and mistranslations though. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Dec 2, 2016 21:26:17 GMT
- A small escort of combat pilots will defend us upon entry. Judging by the previous trailers this doesn't go well... As far as I understand, this is incorrect. It seems that the fighter escort will go with the convoy to the edges of the Milky Way, and from there the convoy will be alone in FTL, so probably they will arrive defenseless to Andromeda. Doesn't make sense to me for that large of a project with that many unknowns, but this is what I understood from Avina.
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Post by saberchic on Dec 2, 2016 21:27:11 GMT
I have to say that I really liked this 2nd briefing. This video, more than anything else shown or stated, gives me the feel of Mass Effect. I admit I was worried when I saw the 4k "demo" because it made me think Halo, so this video is reassuring to me.
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Post by bshep on Dec 2, 2016 21:31:11 GMT
- A small escort of combat pilots will defend us upon entry. Judging by the previous trailers this doesn't go well... As far as I understand, this is incorrect. It seems that the fighter escort will go with the convoy to the edges of the Milky Way, and from there the convoy will be alone in FTL, so probably they will arrive defenseless to Andromeda. Doesn't make sense to me for that large of a project with that many unknowns, but this is what I understood from Avina. Yes the escort is just inside the Milky Way. Makes sense since fighter ships doesn't have much FTL flight autonomy.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Dec 2, 2016 21:32:06 GMT
I have to say that I really liked this 2nd briefing. This video, more than anything else shown or stated, gives me the feel of Mass Effect. I admit I was worried when I saw the 4k "demo" because it made me think Halo, so this video is reassuring to me. We probably saw a Vanguard build in that video, so it seems less Mass Effecty to all that played other classes. The vibe that I get from this video, is that it is an attempted Citadel clone. I'm kinda disappointed they didn't go for a more unique design, but I guess it make sense lore wise to base the Nexus on the biggest and most advanced known space station.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 2, 2016 21:39:41 GMT
Then it's also obvious that she has a mask on her face. Then give me proof she isn't wearing clothes then. I see a lot of people forgetting that the AI is supposed to be secret ad private founded. It's not secret. Where are you getting that? How can it be secret while getting tens of thousands of people to sign up? Plus I have doubts it is privately funded. A venture this expensive isn't possible with just private investments. It is a private venture, but so were the Corsairs but they were only not part of the Alliance by name, like the Flying Tigers in WW2. Particularly since Cerberus is busy elsewhere. Unless the AI and Cerberus time-shared the Star Forge
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Dec 2, 2016 21:48:57 GMT
- A small escort of combat pilots will defend us upon entry. Judging by the previous trailers this doesn't go well... As far as I understand, this is incorrect. It seems that the fighter escort will go with the convoy to the edges of the Milky Way, and from there the convoy will be alone in FTL, so probably they will arrive defenseless to Andromeda. Doesn't make sense to me for that large of a project with that many unknowns, but this is what I understood from Avina. Corrected!
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Dec 2, 2016 21:52:51 GMT
Um, yes, it can perfectly be private founded. Explaining some of that new/different tech we've seen so far.
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Post by kumazan on Dec 2, 2016 21:55:28 GMT
Finally another briefing. The most interesting part was the circumvention of the problem of travelling through dark space without being able to discharge static, recycling it sounds as a reasonable bypass to me. The Citadel Nexus looked quite good, I hope they managed to make it feel alive enough, because this is where BioWare has usually fallen short. And a krogan female engineer as one of the Ai's authorities seems cool. *snip* Pacero is a spanish word...strange. It's not, actually.
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