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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:22:02 GMT
we can also assume that Sovereign dropped all of his other interests(may they be the Rachni, the AI or whatever else) to somehow gain access to the citadel manually. There's absolutely no reason to make that assumption. Reapers did not have to be physically present to utilize and plant indoctrinated organisms. No, but they would need someone to find their scattered artifacts, and it also has to be someone that could have any access to the project. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:23:00 GMT
There's absolutely no reason to make that assumption. Reapers did not have to be physically present to utilize and plant indoctrinated organisms. In this case bshep outlined if he did have an agent on the inside he wouldn't have used it for sabatage because he was trying to open the citadel. You're talking about agents possibly on the Citadel. I'm talking about agents Mass-Relay Network-wide. |
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Post by Addictress on Dec 3, 2016 1:23:44 GMT
I am screaming!!!!!! THIS IS EVEN MORE MASS EFFECTY THAN THE GAMEPLAY TRAILER OH MY GOD.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:24:05 GMT
There's absolutely no reason to make that assumption. Reapers did not have to be physically present to utilize and plant indoctrinated organisms. No, but they would need someone to find their scattered artifacts, and it also has to be someone that could have any access to the project. Again, not hard since they had folks in place to monitor what was going on in the galaxy and there's been no indication thus far that this Nexus project was covert. |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:24:54 GMT
And if the Reapers were aware of the Prothean-citadel sabotage then sovereign would've fixed it before hand.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:25:55 GMT
There's absolutely no reason to make that assumption. Reapers did not have to be physically present to utilize and plant indoctrinated organisms. No, but they would need someone to find their scattered artifacts, and it also has to be someone that could have any access to the project. Already indoctrinated agents wouldn't need to find artifacts to maintain their indoctrination. Through the collectors, artifacts and Sovereign the Reapers could easily maintain indoctrinated agents to keep tabs on what's going on in the galaxy. According to Vigil, that's exactly how they operated. |
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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 1:25:57 GMT
In this case bshep outlined if he did have an agent on the inside he wouldn't have used it for sabatage because he was trying to open the citadel. You're talking about agents possibly on the Citadel. I'm talking about agents Mass-Relay Network-wide. no im not, im talking about an agent on the Ark(s) itself |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:27:06 GMT
No, but they would need someone to find their scattered artifacts, and it also has to be someone that could have any access to the project. Again, not hard since they had folks in place to monitor what was going on in the galaxy and there's been no indication thus far that this Nexus project was covert. It's no covert, sure, but it's going to be very hard for the agent or agents to sabotage an entire project, and even so, they might already have, just enough to delay it's launch so that the reaper's would've wiped them out. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:28:48 GMT
You're talking about agents possibly on the Citadel. I'm talking about agents Mass-Relay Network-wide. no im not, im talking about an agent on the Ark(s) itself I have no idea what you're talking about. What I'm talking about are sleeper indoctrinated agents and how easy it would be to plant one in the project and sabotage it. There's absolutely no reason why the Reapers wouldn't do this to the Nexus project. |
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Post by bshep on Dec 3, 2016 1:28:52 GMT
And if the Reapers were aware of the Prothean-citadel sabotage then sovereign would've fixed it before hand. Reapers aren't neither omniscient or omnipresent. They fail a lot more than they like to admit. Sovereign put all his chips on opening the citadel manually and got fvck3d because of this. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:30:14 GMT
Again, not hard since they had folks in place to monitor what was going on in the galaxy and there's been no indication thus far that this Nexus project was covert. It's no covert, sure, but it's going to be very hard for the agent or agents to sabotage an entire project, and even so, they might already have, just enough to delay it's launch so that the reaper's would've wiped them out. Why would it be very hard? Again, the creepy thing about indoctrination is that it's impossible to detect. |
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Post by bshep on Dec 3, 2016 1:31:25 GMT
I am screaming!!!!!! THIS IS EVEN MORE MASS EFFECTY THAN THE GAMEPLAY TRAILER OH MY GOD. *squeal!* My thoughts too.  |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:31:35 GMT
It's no covert, sure, but it's going to be very hard for the agent or agents to sabotage an entire project, and even so, they might already have, just enough to delay it's launch so that the reaper's would've wiped them out. Why would it be very hard? Again, the creepy thing about indoctrination is that it's impossible to detect. Because then they would need to indoctrinate the high ups of the project, which is very unlikely. |
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Post by colfoley on Dec 3, 2016 1:31:52 GMT
no im not, im talking about an agent on the Ark(s) itself I have no idea what you're talking about. What I'm talking about are sleeper indoctrinated agents and how easy it would be to plant one in the project and sabotage it. There's absolutely no reason why the Reapers wouldn't do this to the Nexus project. Except because Soverign, who was the one who would have been able to do this. Was trying to open the Citadel relay to dark space. Hence even if he did have an agent he wouldn't have used it because wasting time trying to sabatage the ark wouldn't have helped him open the relay. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:34:07 GMT
And if the Reapers were aware of the Prothean-citadel sabotage then sovereign would've fixed it before hand. Reapers aren't neither omniscient or omnipresent. They fail a lot more than they like to admit. Sovereign put all his chips on opening the citadel manually and got fvck3d because of this. Well that's an opinion. What's a fact is that the Mass Effect trilogy set up a Reaper opposition that was capable of wiping out all sentient life (at a technological point) and that it did so repeatedly without fail for millions (billions?) of years. Also fact that they would have wiped out the current species if it were't for Shepard and the great Deus Ex Boogaloo. That's why this plot so far regarding Andromeda is a bit screwy and doesn't make much sense. But we don't know the whole story yet, so I'm reserving judgment. Maybe the project was covert or something and we just haven't heard about it. |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:36:38 GMT
Reapers aren't neither omniscient or omnipresent. They fail a lot more than they like to admit. Sovereign put all his chips on opening the citadel manually and got fvck3d because of this. Well that's an opinion. What's a fact is that the Mass Effect trilogy set up a Reaper opposition that was capable of wiping out all sentient life (at a technological point) and that it did so repeatedly without fail for millions (billions?) of years. Also fact that they would have wiped out the current species if it were't for Shepard and the great Deus Ex Boogaloo. That's why this plot so far regarding Andromeda is a bit screwy and doesn't make much sense. But we don't know the whole story yet, so I'm reserving judgment. Maybe the project was covert or something and we just haven't heard about it. If they were omniscient then they wouldn't have left any Prothean remains in the galaxy, which is a flaw in that theory since ME1. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:37:02 GMT
Why would it be very hard? Again, the creepy thing about indoctrination is that it's impossible to detect. Because then they would need to indoctrinate the high ups of the project, which is very unlikely. Why would it be unlikely? Again, the Reapers are an undef-eatable force that's going to wipe out everyone in the Mass Effect Trilogy. They take thousands of years and plan everything out, according to Vigil. Two heads of a project are indoctrinated in the main story alone, the doctor in the Arrival DLC and the Illusive Man. Heads of projects are childs' play for the Reapers. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:38:25 GMT
Well that's an opinion. What's a fact is that the Mass Effect trilogy set up a Reaper opposition that was capable of wiping out all sentient life (at a technological point) and that it did so repeatedly without fail for millions (billions?) of years. Also fact that they would have wiped out the current species if it were't for Shepard and the great Deus Ex Boogaloo. That's why this plot so far regarding Andromeda is a bit screwy and doesn't make much sense. But we don't know the whole story yet, so I'm reserving judgment. Maybe the project was covert or something and we just haven't heard about it. If they were omniscient then they wouldn't have left any Prothean remains in the galaxy, which is a flaw in that theory since ME1. They didn't have to be omniscient and even with the Prothean remains they would have won if not for the dynamic Shepard/Deus Ex Duo. As they'd won every time in the past, per the games. |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:38:37 GMT
Because then they would need to indoctrinate the high ups of the project, which is very unlikely. Why would it be unlikely? Again, the Reapers are an undef-eatable force that's going to wipe out everyone in the Mass Effect Trilogy. They take thousands of years and plan everything out, according to Vigil. Two heads of a project are indoctrinated in the main story alone, the doctor in the Arrival DLC and the Illusive Man. Heads of projects are childs' play for the Reapers. Just because two of them are indoctrinated doesn't mean everybody else is, the council aren't indoctrinated, the Military leaders aren't indoctrinated, not everybody important is indoctrinated. Like, why not just indoctrinate the military leaders? if the AI project can be sabotaged, why not them? make the reapers' jobs a whole lot easier. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:39:25 GMT
I have no idea what you're talking about. What I'm talking about are sleeper indoctrinated agents and how easy it would be to plant one in the project and sabotage it. There's absolutely no reason why the Reapers wouldn't do this to the Nexus project. Except because Soverign, who was the one who would have been able to do this. Was trying to open the Citadel relay to dark space. Hence even if he did have an agent he wouldn't have used it because wasting time trying to sabatage the ark wouldn't have helped him open the relay. Agents. Not one agent. Many. In many places. More than one. Multi-tasking. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:40:10 GMT
Why would it be unlikely? Again, the Reapers are an undef-eatable force that's going to wipe out everyone in the Mass Effect Trilogy. They take thousands of years and plan everything out, according to Vigil. Two heads of a project are indoctrinated in the main story alone, the doctor in the Arrival DLC and the Illusive Man. Heads of projects are childs' play for the Reapers. Just because two of them are indoctrinated doesn't mean everybody else is, the council aren't indoctrinated, the Military leaders aren't indoctrinated, not everybody important is indoctrinated. They obviously don't have to indoctrinate everyone, as demonstrated by their repeated victories in the past and their near-victory at the end of ME3. |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:41:23 GMT
Just because two of them are indoctrinated doesn't mean everybody else is, the council aren't indoctrinated, the Military leaders aren't indoctrinated, not everybody important is indoctrinated. They obviously don't have to indoctrinate everyone, as demonstrated by their repeated victories in the past and their near-victory at the end of ME3. Then why sabotage the AI project if it doesn't have the chance to escape their extinction? |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 3, 2016 1:41:43 GMT
They obviously don't have to indoctrinate everyone, as demonstrated by their repeated victories in the past and their near-victory at the end of ME3. Then why sabotage the AI project if it doesn't have the chance to escape their extinction? Why not just in case something goes wrong? |
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Post by themikefest on Dec 3, 2016 1:43:03 GMT
Considering ME2 and ME3, yeah they did. If it weren't for the literal deus ex machina at the end of ME3, they'd have won. They would've won if Bioware didn't make them stupid in ME3. Once they entered the Milky Way, they won. They win by numbers alone. In order for the galaxy to defeat the reapers, the plans for the device needed to be found, have the device built and used before the reapers enter the galaxy. |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 3, 2016 1:43:38 GMT
Then why sabotage the AI project if it doesn't have the chance to escape their extinction? Why not just in case something goes wrong? And I though it was established that for the last millions(or billions) of years nothing went wrong for them? And sovereign would've done something about it earlier anyway, not when it's already almost finished. |
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