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I am well aware of what it is. Should I have explained its origins while making my silly joke, so that people on the internet wouldn't assume I was ignorant? Probably
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Just saying but Habitat 3 looks like a perfect home for a certain insect alien race.
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Post by phantomrachie on Mar 7, 2017 8:49:10 GMT
Mentions Quarians, people will be happy about that I'm extremely happy! Now if geth are back through DLC or sequel, I might start to like Bioware again. Why would the Geth be back? How could they get to Andromeda? Would they be Heretics, Geth or Geth after they become sentient? Quarians I understand coming, they could be on an ark ship going to Andromeda because they are tired of wondering the stars and want a homeworld of their own. The Geth I don't understand travelling there.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 7, 2017 10:55:08 GMT
I'm extremely happy! Now if geth are back through DLC or sequel, I might start to like Bioware again. Why would the Geth be back? How could they get to Andromeda? Would they be Heretics, Geth or Geth after they become sentient? Quarians I understand coming, they could be on an ark ship going to Andromeda because they are tired of wondering the stars and want a homeworld of their own. The Geth I don't understand travelling there. Geth discovered and surveyed Heleus Stars Clusters by merging 3 Mass Relays as a real time telescope. Quarians stole that data from geth, thanks to which Andromeda Initiative actually had somewhere to go to and allowed Quarians to join in with to expedition. So without geth, AI would have never got off the ground.
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 7, 2017 11:15:26 GMT
Why would the Geth be back? How could they get to Andromeda? Would they be Heretics, Geth or Geth after they become sentient? Quarians I understand coming, they could be on an ark ship going to Andromeda because they are tired of wondering the stars and want a homeworld of their own. The Geth I don't understand travelling there. Geth discovered and surveyed Heleus Stars Clusters by merging 3 Mass Relays as a real time telescope. Quarians stole that data from geth, thanks to which Andromeda Initiative actually had somewhere to go to and allowed Quarians to join in with to expedition. So without geth, AI would have never got off the ground.
All anyone knows about the Geth is that they threw the Quarians off their homeworld and have recently appeared in human space attacking human colonies and launching an all out attack on the Citadel. There is zero chance that the AI would voluntarily invite them to come with them! They may get there through some other means but I can't really see why they'd want to go to Andromeda anyway.
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Post by phantomrachie on Mar 7, 2017 11:15:31 GMT
Why would the Geth be back? How could they get to Andromeda? Would they be Heretics, Geth or Geth after they become sentient? Quarians I understand coming, they could be on an ark ship going to Andromeda because they are tired of wondering the stars and want a homeworld of their own. The Geth I don't understand travelling there. Geth discovered and surveyed Heleus Stars Clusters by merging 3 Mass Relays as a real time telescope. Quarians stole that data from geth, thanks to which Andromeda Initiative actually had somewhere to go to and allowed Quarians to join in with to expedition. So without geth, AI would have never got off the ground.
Is that true? I hadn't come across that but then I've been trying to avoid story details. Are you saying that that explains why the Geth would be there? Like there was another splinter in the Geth of those that wanted to stay and those that left to go to Andromeda? I'm not saying the Geth can't be there, I'm just trying to work out a reason for why they'd leave the MilkyWay. Legion was pretty adamant that the Geth just wanted to build their space server so they could all be uploaded to it. The Geth that wanted a short cut to that were the Heretics. Legion didn't consider the Heretics Geth anymore, so any Geth that left would also not be considered Geth anymore and would be something else.
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 7, 2017 11:20:04 GMT
Is that true? I hadn't come across that but then I've been trying to avoid story details. Are you saying that that explains why the Geth would be there? Like there was another splinter in the Geth of those that wanted to stay and those that left to go to Andromeda? I'm not saying the Geth can't be there, I'm just trying to work out a reason for why they'd leave the MilkyWay. Legion was pretty adamant that the Geth just wanted to build their space server so they could all be uploaded to it. The Geth that wanted a short cut to that were the Heretics. Legion didn't consider the Heretics Geth anymore, so any Geth that left would also not be considered Geth anymore and would be something else. There was a text pop-up in the latest briefing that mentioned it but the Quarians didn't steal the data from the Geth, they just found the sensor array and believed it to be the work of the Geth. They used the array, or allowed the AI to use it, to get more up to date information on the Golden Worlds.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 7, 2017 11:20:33 GMT
There is zero chance that the AI would voluntarily invite them to come with them! They may get there through some other means but I can't really see why they'd want to go to Andromeda anyway. They won't be in AI that's for sure, but it is reasonable to assume that geth had their own plans to send their own expedition to Andromeda. Perhaps as a contingency plan if their extinction in Milky Way is inevitable.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 7, 2017 11:23:30 GMT
Geth discovered and surveyed Heleus Stars Clusters by merging 3 Mass Relays as a real time telescope. Quarians stole that data from geth, thanks to which Andromeda Initiative actually had somewhere to go to and allowed Quarians to join in with to expedition. So without geth, AI would have never got off the ground.
Is that true? I hadn't come across that but then I've been trying to avoid story details. Are you saying that that explains why the Geth would be there? Like there was another splinter in the Geth of those that wanted to stay and those that left to go to Andromeda? I'm not saying the Geth can't be there, I'm just trying to work out a reason for why they'd leave the MilkyWay. Legion was pretty adamant that the Geth just wanted to build their space server so they could all be uploaded to it. The Geth that wanted a short cut to that were the Heretics. Legion didn't consider the Heretics Geth anymore, so any Geth that left would also not be considered Geth anymore and would be something else. Yes, you can read the text in Golden World briefing video, it is at 1 minute and 25 seconds mark. It can be read if you pause the video. As for geth to go to Adromeda? Like I said above, they probably had contingency plan to leave Milky Way in case they realize extinction is inevitable and have to leave to survive. Or at least, some portion of the geth collective, as they probably didn't had enough space for majority of geth units.
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Post by phantomrachie on Mar 7, 2017 11:43:07 GMT
Is that true? I hadn't come across that but then I've been trying to avoid story details. Are you saying that that explains why the Geth would be there? Like there was another splinter in the Geth of those that wanted to stay and those that left to go to Andromeda? I'm not saying the Geth can't be there, I'm just trying to work out a reason for why they'd leave the MilkyWay. Legion was pretty adamant that the Geth just wanted to build their space server so they could all be uploaded to it. The Geth that wanted a short cut to that were the Heretics. Legion didn't consider the Heretics Geth anymore, so any Geth that left would also not be considered Geth anymore and would be something else. Yes, you can read the text in Golden World briefing video, it is at 1 minute and 25 seconds mark. It can be read if you pause the video. As for geth to go to Adromeda? Like I said above, they probably had contingency plan to leave Milky Way in case they realize extinction is inevitable and have to leave to survive. Or at least, some portion of the geth collective, as they probably didn't had enough space for majority of geth units. Thanks for that. If it's a contingency then why would they leave before the end of ME2? At this stage they are still working on their space server. Don't get me wrong, I like the Geth, Legion is a cool character and I love how they help the Quarians if you organise a truce I'm just trying to make sense of a reason for them to leave based on the info Legion provided about them in ME2. Not that Bioware couldn't come up with a reason of course, but based on what we know so far, it doesn't seem like they should be expected to be there. That being said room for units doesn't really matter for Geth, they are software, they could load up a ship with millions of programs, a few mobile units for gathering resources and the equipment to make more Geth mobile platforms when they arrive. So they could definitely build a ship to get them there.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 7, 2017 12:01:38 GMT
Yes, you can read the text in Golden World briefing video, it is at 1 minute and 25 seconds mark. It can be read if you pause the video. As for geth to go to Adromeda? Like I said above, they probably had contingency plan to leave Milky Way in case they realize extinction is inevitable and have to leave to survive. Or at least, some portion of the geth collective, as they probably didn't had enough space for majority of geth units. Thanks for that. If it's a contingency then why would they leave before the end of ME2? At this stage they are still working on their space server. Don't get me wrong, I like the Geth, Legion is a cool character and I love how they help the Quarians if you organise a truce I'm just trying to make sense of a reason for them to leave based on the info Legion provided about them in ME2. Not that Bioware couldn't come up with a reason of course, but based on what we know so far, it doesn't seem like they should be expected to be there. That being said room for units doesn't really matter for Geth, they are software, they could load up a ship with millions of programs, a few mobile units for gathering resources and the equipment to make more Geth mobile platforms when they arrive. So they could definitely build a ship to get them there. By units, I meant in software units. So not everyone could be able to fit on hypothetical Geth's ark for Andromeda. Also I do not think geth would leave before end if ME2, but I do think they would leave before start of ME3 when Quarians managed to knock out and cripple geth as they went to capture their homeworld Rannoch. Quarians also destroyed what geth built of their Dyson Sphere, giving no other choice but for geth to ally with Reapers. But who knows, maybe before that they sent what geth they could towards Andromeda. So geth could arrive in Andromeda after ME:A starts, as a DLC or sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 12:43:42 GMT
They might be stumped because one of the pulsar frequencies is slightly inaccurate (since it wasn't precisely known at the time) Although that's why they included over a dozen points of reference to make it easier for anyone to recognise and triangulate our system. So... if we're invaded, everyone can blame Carl Sagan. There are also only 8 planets now, so that could be doubley confusing to them. When I was little, I had read something in a comics magazine, probably the adaptation of a short story. Centuries from now, when humans are zipping from planet to planet in the galaxy, they find a planet of hunter-gatherer little purple men, which turns out to be where the Voyager ended up crashing. The purple men venerate the plaque from the Voyager as a holy item; the plaque, though, has cracked into two pieces right along the picture of the man, separating him into left & right halves. When the purple men see a male and a female astronout who look exactly like the figures on the plaque, they greet them like gods -- and then they ceremonially cut the man in half, from his head down to his crotch. Also, I believe those plaques are sound records at the same time; they contain greetings from various languages. The Turkish one is extremely old fashioned though; I think it was already well out of use when the recordings were made; besides it's not even a straightforward greeting, it's an elaborate way of saying 'good morning'. I wonder who decided what to record.
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Post by phantomrachie on Mar 7, 2017 13:18:30 GMT
Thanks for that. If it's a contingency then why would they leave before the end of ME2? At this stage they are still working on their space server. Don't get me wrong, I like the Geth, Legion is a cool character and I love how they help the Quarians if you organise a truce I'm just trying to make sense of a reason for them to leave based on the info Legion provided about them in ME2. Not that Bioware couldn't come up with a reason of course, but based on what we know so far, it doesn't seem like they should be expected to be there. That being said room for units doesn't really matter for Geth, they are software, they could load up a ship with millions of programs, a few mobile units for gathering resources and the equipment to make more Geth mobile platforms when they arrive. So they could definitely build a ship to get them there. By units, I meant in software units. So not everyone could be able to fit on hypothetical Geth's ark for Andromeda. Also I do not think geth would leave before end if ME2, but I do think they would leave before start of ME3 when Quarians managed to knock out and cripple geth as they went to capture their homeworld Rannoch. Quarians also destroyed what geth built of their Dyson Sphere, giving no other choice but for geth to ally with Reapers. But who knows, maybe before that they sent what geth they could towards Andromeda. So geth could arrive in Andromeda after ME:A starts, as a DLC or sequel. Seems like shaky reasoning to me. I suppose the Quarians destroying the sphere could've caused another split in consensus and some Geth left rather than seek the help of the Reapers, but I always got the impression that the Geth reached out to the Reapers as soon as the sphere was destroyed which occurring during the beginning of the Quarian's attack on Rannoch, which doesn't leave a whole lot of time for Geth to escape both the influence of the Reapers and the Migrant fleet. While I understand the desire for favourite aliens to appear in Andromeda or future Mass Effect games, I'd rather not all Milky Way aliens make the journey. I want Andromada to give me the same sense of wonder that ME1 did and that would be dampened quite a bit if I recognised and was familiar with basically every alien in the game. While I'll miss the Geth, Volus, Hanar, Drell and Elcor (and to a certain extent the Batarians), if they all came along it would just be Milky Way 2.0 and I'd like Bioware to try to avoid that.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Mar 7, 2017 13:50:04 GMT
The music in that "Golden Worlds" clip...hope it's in the game? Gorgeous.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 7, 2017 14:03:37 GMT
The Quarians in the Initiative are a large part of the minority of Quarians who desire to restart on a new world.
They secretly find a way to obtain Geth programs (or their technological basis) and bring them with them, perhaps in their suits. A split in consensus wouldn't make sense because of how big of a deal it is made to be in the trilogy, but the Quarians themselves can split off and while having a relatively peaceful approach to the Geth, are also not the allies with them that Shepard can make the Quarians and Geth at large to be.
NuQuarians and NuGeth and NuRannoch and NuIntegration and NuConflicts.
I really think Bioware wants ways to reflect a form of all major results without dealing with the fallout of attempts to do so in the Milky Way.
So we get a Rannoch Peace without the full effects of a Peace, along with getting Quarians who are still not exactly friendly with Geth (using them isn't the same as loving them), and Geth that can go their own way.
Guessing.
This could allow a new Quarian status that is more 'evolved' (and surviving; no Death) from ME3's Quarians without necessarily reflecting 'optimal' (Quarian side or Peace) results for them, and a new Geth status that is more 'evolved' (and surviving; no Death or Destroy) from ME3's Geth without necessarily reflecting 'optimal' (Geth side or Peace) results from them.
And then ME3 is shown to be a dream so thank goodness we have MEA (possibly a plan borne from conspiracy and contingency) to make our dreams a form of reality. Phew.
Aha.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 7, 2017 14:03:51 GMT
The music in that "Golden Worlds" clip...hope it's in the game? Gorgeous. It isn't.
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 7, 2017 14:25:26 GMT
The Quarians in the Initiative are a large part of the minority of Quarians who desire to restart on a new world. They secretly find a way to obtain Geth programs (or their technological basis) and bring them with them, perhaps in their suits. A split in consensus wouldn't make sense because of how big of a deal it is made to be in the trilogy, but the Quarians themselves can split off and while having a relatively peaceful approach to the Geth, are also not the allies with them that Shepard can make the Quarians and Geth at large to be. The AI leaves before ME3, remember. There is no peace between the Quarians and the Geth. Not even an inkling that such a thing would be possible. There is nothing I can see that could possibly conceivably convince a Quarian to bring Geth programs with them on the AI. The Geth threw them off their homeworld and are their sworn enemies. Given the chance to leave the MW behind for somewhere new the absolute last thing any Quarian would do would be to provide any chance of having the Geth establish a foothold in Andromeda! I also doubt they could come along separately as they don't have ODSY drive technology to circumvent the discharge problem.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 7, 2017 14:35:55 GMT
The Quarians in the Initiative are a large part of the minority of Quarians who desire to restart on a new world. They secretly find a way to obtain Geth programs (or their technological basis) and bring them with them, perhaps in their suits. A split in consensus wouldn't make sense because of how big of a deal it is made to be in the trilogy, but the Quarians themselves can split off and while having a relatively peaceful approach to the Geth, are also not the allies with them that Shepard can make the Quarians and Geth at large to be. The AI leaves before ME3, remember. There is no peace between the Quarians and the Geth. Not even an inkling that such a thing would be possible. There is nothing I can see that could possibly conceivably convince a Quarian to bring Geth programs with them on the AI. The Geth threw them off their homeworld and are their sworn enemies. Given the chance to leave the MW behind for somewhere new the absolute last thing any Quarian would do would be to provide any chance of having the Geth establish a foothold in Andromeda! I also doubt they could come along separately as they don't have ODSY drive technology to circumvent the discharge problem. I didn't say there was peace. I said there were Geth programs. That's a big difference. One can successfully capture Geth data, keep it secret, and develop more programs from it. This isn't remotely impossible, just known to be very difficult and rarely attempted anyway, since the Quarians widely hate Geth and the Geth do a lot to avoid such a situation. And there are Quarians that want the Geth back, if even in a domination over them again. We meet them. And there are Quarians that want good relations with the Geth. We. Meet. Them. They exist. You can't deny them. Tali's Loyalty mission was all about letting us know that there's more opinions out there than the majority and Tali's opinion. A distinct minority, sure. Looks like only a distinct minority of Quarians would even join on this trip anyway. Why could Quarians leave their people in colony-enough numbers, so quickly? Well.. There's a lot of minorities here. Like a specific Krogan clan. And people interested in AI development. And Asari with posh accents lol. Don't prescribe the majority stereotype onto this minority though. ME3 dealt with the majority. Of humans, of Council races, of non-Council races, of Quarians, of Krogan. The millions, billions of people are covered. This is the other story. So I'm speculating. At the least, I doubt we'll see Geth design assets in MEA. Even if there's a Geth story going on, it may not be seen as worth it enough for Bioware at the moment, to put them in the base game. Maybe DLC. Maybe ME5. Maybe never, and my theory is totally wrong. EDIT: Also if a certain small section of Quarians is being written to discover something Geth but secretly special (the combined relays; something we don't hear a peep about in ME3 of course, and no knowledge that the Quarian authorities and majority know about it), is could be that they reach a sort of alliance with particular Geth programs that the Consensus may not even know exists anymore - after learning some things (that they know their peoples would not listen to). Point is, there's a lot of possibilities. And if any of those possibilities happen, I just think it'll be less Geth Destructive than Quarian Side/Destroy, less Quarian Destructive than Geth Side, and more peaceful than either, and less peaceful than Peace and certainly Synthesis. The pushed theme is this being a 'new start' so I would not be surprised at this point of a MEA being a NuME1 with Geth concerns but no longer paranoia or the worst aggressions, and maybe getting a DLC or next game or whatever that more directly addresses those concerns. I don't EXPECT it. But I think it is very possible, much more possible than you're saying. Bioware already said there's ways to get all the races into Andromeda if they're not there already. Whether now or later, Geth is likely included in that. With Geth technology mentions already, I think the chance of something of them (even IF not the models of their platforms) being some part of MEA has gone up. EDIT: Geth only knew of the Geth Consensus, but then the schism happens and the Heretics split off. They then used Legion in their attempts to understand this. These were both things the Consensus knew about, but I don't think the lore keeps there from being a situation where there is a split off the Consensus does NOT know about - whether it comes from programs using a special method to disguise their status, or programs being mistakenly considered destroyed, or from Quarians using a technological basis to make their own programs once again. We know for a fact that not all Quarians want the Geth kept entirely away or destroyed. I think that is debunked.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 7, 2017 16:50:10 GMT
Got to say last briefing has me somewhat worried that we are going to be completely restrained & lacking options to pursue a more aggressive roleplaying approach. The stressing of peace and co-operation, allying with indigineous life & respecting sovereign nations.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 7, 2017 17:16:05 GMT
Got to say last briefing has me somewhat worried that we are going to be completely restrained & lacking options to pursue a more aggressive roleplaying approach. The stressing of peace and co-operation, allying with indigineous life & respecting sovereign nations. I wouldn't be, not because of it at least. This is supposed to be promo material for future colonists, you wouldn't teach them xenocide and native enslavement there. Or would you?
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 7, 2017 21:57:41 GMT
Got to say last briefing has me somewhat worried that we are going to be completely restrained & lacking options to pursue a more aggressive roleplaying approach. The stressing of peace and co-operation, allying with indigineous life & respecting sovereign nations. ME1-3 stressed war but in the game itself, seemed to encourage a peaceful track (even as we always had to destroy things as matter of plot). I wouldn't mind if MEA was the reverse in a sense; stressing peace but in the game itself, sees to encourage war (even as we always have to be diplomats as matter of plot). Keep in mind that it is confirmed that these briefings are at least somewhat bullshit. The planets won't be in good shape, there will be hostile life, and the Nexus community is scattered and rejects unity. There's at least recipe there for lots of "You know, it actually may WORK better if I yell at you and kick you out or force you in (etc)". I mean one of the first demonstrations, we see Sloane Kelly, and.. point our gun? Yeah. We can indeed have a story of 'politics down the barrel of a gun' and 'speak softly but carry a large stick' and whatnot. Sure we won't be the grunt, soldier, warrior of Shepard, but we can theoretically be even more freed to act callous and reject whole groups of people for not falling in line with a greater cause. But yeah, I'm hoping things like "making Habitat 1 hospitable for the Krogan" doesn't just mean filling a meter and auto-approving of whatever the Krogan want. Yuck. A New Tuchanka? Fine. But I want choice in how I make it happen, what I deal with allowing the Krogan to do, and how much authority I want the Nexus or whatever to exercise over the Krogan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:51:54 GMT
Jungles! Red vegetation! No Snow!!!! So happy... but I hopd for less "green" colored worlds. But NO FRIGGING SNOW!!!! Happy!
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 8, 2017 1:27:31 GMT
Jungles! Red vegetation! No Snow!!!! So happy... but I hopd for less "green" colored worlds. But NO FRIGGING SNOW!!!! Happy! Well we still have to go places
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Post by Silvery on Mar 9, 2017 15:55:59 GMT
I like how they confirmed the Quarians in a one sentence, no big deal kind of way. The worlds all look varied, though that is to be expected.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2017 4:30:38 GMT
I like how they confirmed the Quarians in a one sentence, no big deal kind of way. The worlds all look varied, though that is to be expected. What's confirmed is that there's a world where quarians and turians can eat. That doesn't mean we'll see any quarians.
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