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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 25, 2016 15:50:40 GMT
I don't think Bioware thought as much numbers when making Cullen and Solas as options, in terms of let's give straight women more options, but rather what they could do with characters they had in the game and what would work for narrative they had planned. They make characters first and decide LI's afterwards anyways. Cullen and Solas as well were also planned as bisexual at some point. This is all bit old talk though and probably not relevant at all for ME:A cause it has different staff and writers. Not completely different staff and writers though. Also I think we can say the entirety of Bioware has the progressive, diverse, etc. mindset and not just the DA:I writers. I also don't think they sat down and said "we'll give straight females 2x as much LIs" The sexualites definitely made sense. I'm just saying they'd have no problem not giving straight men the most LIs in me:a. I'm expecting the same policy they adopted in DAI. Everyone gets at least 2 options, then after that character-driven considerations may apply for any others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 16:59:27 GMT
Mass Effect was developed at a time when the developers concentrated mainly on the romances for heterosexual men. You also notice this in games like Kotor or Jade Empire. Compared to Ashley, Miranda, Bastila or Silk Fox the male characters (Kaidan, Jacob, Carth and Sky) were just slightly more boring. But that has changed in recent years. Dragon Age is the first series, where developers increasingly focused on romances for heterosexual women. I think that this change will also be apparent in Mass Effect Andromeda. I guess we're going to get a similar scenario to DAI in terms of romance options. It is a good thing if not only the heterosexual men will get story relevant romances, and if male figures (for example Solas) are now more prominent in Bioware games (in past games the female characters had always been more relevant). Personally, I would be happy if at least the story-relevant romances were bi-sexual. Because, unfortunately, it is still the case that homosexual players are always at the back of the line. If not all characters are bisexuel developer will tend to make the story relevant options heterosexual. That's my problem with set sexualities.Unfortunately true. Anders romance was good from this viewpoint. (I don't found Kaidan boring.) Yes, sorry. My English is not that good. I don't find Kaidan boring, but if I compare Kaidan and Ashley from the first Mass Effect, Ashley was clearly the more expressive and salient companion. With Jacob and Miranda, the difference was even more obvious. Same with Silkfox/Dawn Star vs Sky, or Bastila vs Carth. I am glad that the male and female characters have a similar quality nowadays (at least in the Dragon Age games, and I'm hopeful that this will also be the case in ME:Andromeda). What is still missing are equally significant homosexual characters.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 25, 2016 17:10:35 GMT
I think we'll be getting the equally significant homosexual characters. You can't really look at ME3 and say that Kaidan and Ashley didn't have the same level of importance to Shepard. Sure, they were absent as playable for a portion of the game but if you're romancing them they still appear plenty. It makes no difference if it's a same sex or opposite sex romance. I do believe BioWare is on their way to embracing it all, if they're not there yet.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 25, 2016 17:14:13 GMT
Unfortunately true. Anders romance was good from this viewpoint. (I don't found Kaidan boring.) Yes, sorry. My English is not that good. I don't find Kaidan boring, but if I compare Kaidan and Ashley from the first Mass Effect, Ashley was clearly the more expressive and salient companion. With Jacob and Miranda, the difference was even more obvious. Same with Silkfox/Dawn Star vs Sky, or Bastila vs Carth. I am glad that the male and female characters have a similar quality nowadays (at least in the Dragon Age games, and I'm hopeful that this will also be the case in ME:Andromeda). What is still missing are equally significant homosexual characters. I'm sorry (I have English problem too...). I liked Kaidan much more than Ashley, and I took him more often than Ashley (she was mostly "reserve") also as adept.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 25, 2016 17:19:23 GMT
I think we'll be getting the equally significant homosexual characters. You can't really look at ME3 and say that Kaidan and Ashley didn't have the same level of importance to Shepard. Sure, they were absent as playable for a portion of the game but if you're romancing them they still appear plenty. It makes no difference if it's a same sex or opposite sex romance. I do believe BioWare is on their way to embracing it all, if they're not there yet. I don't think Kaidan is boring, though. He's not expressive in the same way but my Shepard's never had a problem with him. They developed a friendship and, eventually, more. Ash seemed pushy and aggressive. Not my style for a love interest. I'm still cautiously optimistic. I also liked this friendship with him, than later the love.
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Post by Lulupab on Dec 25, 2016 18:12:45 GMT
Many straight men play as female characters though. I think that's always considered as well. Many, but definitely not most. Yes many. And only because its a single player RPG. Everyone know vast majority of female characters in MMORPGs are actually male players. Its actually a good experience. I mean where else can you be another gender in life? As a female, I enjoy playing male characters. I like both Cassandra and Dorian romance for example, and as straight female, those are the romances I'm "suppose" to not enjoy.
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Post by Lulupab on Dec 25, 2016 18:23:36 GMT
Yes, sorry. My English is not that good. I don't find Kaidan boring, but if I compare Kaidan and Ashley from the first Mass Effect, Ashley was clearly the more expressive and salient companion. With Jacob and Miranda, the difference was even more obvious. Same with Silkfox/Dawn Star vs Sky, or Bastila vs Carth. I am glad that the male and female characters have a similar quality nowadays (at least in the Dragon Age games, and I'm hopeful that this will also be the case in ME:Andromeda). What is still missing are equally significant homosexual characters. I'm sorry (I have English problem too...). I liked Kaidan much more than Ashley, and I took him more often than Ashley (she was mostly "reserve") also as adept. The problem with Ashley is the fact that she has become Kaidan clone in ME3. Quite safe to assume they wrote Kaidan first and were lazy when writing Ashley. I was like, hello barbie Kaidan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 20:34:09 GMT
Do you guys think they will release all the romance choice info on Valentine's day like they did with DA2?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 23:07:06 GMT
Do you guys think they will release all the romance choice info on Valentine's day like they did with DA2? I believe Mac Walters mentioned something like: "More about the companions in January". Romances might fall into this statement, we simply have to wait.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2016 1:54:29 GMT
I just want to know if Liam is hot before I headcanon their relationship before MEA even comes out.
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Post by geometricflowers on Dec 26, 2016 6:32:02 GMT
Do you guys think they will release all the romance choice info on Valentine's day like they did with DA2? I believe Mac Walters mentioned something like: "More about the companions in January". Romances might fall into this statement, we simply have to wait. If I had to guess I'd say that they'll do a few meet the character bios in January (maybe accidentally leaking a few romances in the process) but leave the official romance announcements for Valentine's Day. Its just too perfect a day for that sort of announcement for marketing to waste it, especially given the estimated release in Spring.
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Post by Xesthan on Jan 10, 2017 0:14:29 GMT
Many straight men play as female characters though. I think that's always considered as well. Yep, always been my preference . My daughters think it's odd but there it is... Oh yeah, definitely. My older brother plays as a female character most of the time. I don't even remember the last time I saw him play as a male character. Maybe 9-10 years ago. I've always made male characters. I would have made a female character for KOTOR 2 so that I could have the Disciple in my party, but Disciple as a character didn't interest me all that much There's definitely going to be a human female for guys and male for females. Peebee is probably going to be for both. Vetra is likely a male romance option. I do have a feeling female Ryder might get an option to romance a male alien. They're will probably be a gay and lesbian option similar to Steve and Traynor (I hope for people who pursue them, that they're more interesting than Steve) That's all I can think of for now.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 10, 2017 0:25:04 GMT
Yep, always been my preference . My daughters think it's odd but there it is... Oh yeah, definitely. My older brother plays as a female character most of the time. I don't even remember the last time I saw him play as a male character. Maybe 9-10 years ago. I've always made male characters. I would have made a female character for KOTOR 2, but Disciple didn't interest me all that much. Who would think about Disciple, when there is Atton Rand?
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Jan 10, 2017 0:55:01 GMT
In past games I wouldn't really even think twice about starting a non-human romance. This time... I can't really see myself going that route. Only way it could work with Drak or Vetra (or any Salarian) would be it was an asexual romance. Since I'm not asexual that's not really going to work. Peebee is attractive, but seems too Sera-like for my interest. Lexi would probably be the only possibility, if she even is even available.
Unfortunately we know even less about the two human squaddies, Cora and Liam. I hope they're both appealing.
Who knows, maybe they'll "wow" me with some of these minor romances, or one of the new aliens.
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 10, 2017 1:13:34 GMT
In past games I wouldn't really even think twice about starting a non-human romance. This time... I can't really see myself going that route. Only way it could work with Drak or Vetra (or any Salarian) would be it was an asexual romance. Since I'm not asexual that's not really going to work. Peebee is attractive, but seems too Sera-like for my interest. Lexi would probably be the only possibility, if she even is even available. Unfortunately we know even less about the two human squaddies, Cora and Liam. I hope they're both appealing. Who knows, maybe they'll "wow" me with some of these minor romances, or one of the new aliens. Why would Vetra have to be asexual? Garrus certainly wasn't. Or Drak, for that matter.
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Post by Panda on Jan 10, 2017 12:01:59 GMT
In past games I wouldn't really even think twice about starting a non-human romance. This time... I can't really see myself going that route. Only way it could work with Drak or Vetra (or any Salarian) would be it was an asexual romance. Since I'm not asexual that's not really going to work. Peebee is attractive, but seems too Sera-like for my interest. Lexi would probably be the only possibility, if she even is even available. Unfortunately we know even less about the two human squaddies, Cora and Liam. I hope they're both appealing. Who knows, maybe they'll "wow" me with some of these minor romances, or one of the new aliens. Why would Vetra have to be asexual? Garrus certainly wasn't. Or Drak, for that matter. I guess the person doesn't want to do sexy stuff with an alien and would be open just for platonic romance.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Jan 10, 2017 17:13:49 GMT
Why would Vetra have to be asexual? Garrus certainly wasn't. Or Drak, for that matter. I guess the person doesn't want to do sexy stuff with an alien and would be open just for platonic romance. This, mostly. I'm a bit repulsed by the idea of sexual encounters with Vetra or Drak. They're too alien in form. Asari only work for me because they're so nearly human. However, I'm not really interested in platonic romance either. Most likely I'll never be exploring a romance with them, if BioWare even makes that a possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 17:27:45 GMT
Oh yeah, definitely. My older brother plays as a female character most of the time. I don't even remember the last time I saw him play as a male character. Maybe 9-10 years ago. I've always made male characters. I would have made a female character for KOTOR 2, but Disciple didn't interest me all that much. Who would think about Disciple, when there is Atton Rand? :wub: Me, and I prefer Bao Dur to both of them, as his background with Exile and the love story is the most epic of any bio/obsidian ever wrote.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 10, 2017 17:37:39 GMT
Who would think about Disciple, when there is Atton Rand? Me, and I prefer Bao Dur to both of them, as his background with Exile and the love story is the most epic of any bio/obsidian ever wrote. I don't remember bao being a possible romance. Not that KotoR 2 had "real" romances. It was basically all "one sided" from the companion point of view. But it's been two years since I last played it. I may start a new game.
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Post by Raga on Jan 10, 2017 17:56:09 GMT
I expect everybody will get 1 alien and 1 human option. I think this increases the chances that any given alien squad member is bisexual. If there are gay or bisexual humans I expect them to be stationary romances such as Josephine and Cullen were.
Most Bioware games have had both a male and female "plot" romanceable squaddie that you get close to the beginning of the game that cannot be dropped from the party. Most of them have been straight. I don't see any particular reason that trend is likely to get disrupted. In Mass Effect, these are usually humans. Carth/Bastila Kaidan/Ashley Jacob/Miranda Alistair/Morrigan Cassandra/Solas
So my prediction is basically this: Cora: straight Liam: straight Vetra or Peebee (hopefully both): bi Some male Andromedan alien: bi Some stationary male human: gay Some stationary female human: gay
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 18:29:41 GMT
Me, and I prefer Bao Dur to both of them, as his background with Exile and the love story is the most epic of any bio/obsidian ever wrote. I don't remember bao being a possible romance. Not that KotoR 2 had "real" romances. It was basically all "one sided" from the companion point of view. But it's been two years since I last played it. I may start a new game. It's no more and no less than what Atton and Disciple has when interacting with the PC, though, no, it does not have the "let's go on a date/let's kiss/let me show you my devotion in bed tonight!" dialogues. I just chose to interpret Bao Dur's story-line as romantic (and tbh pretty much every major character in KOTOR2 acts as if s/he is under Exile's spell). Bao-Dur's story the way he tells it that he is one of many engineers and PC is a high above General, so he does not expect that PC remembers him. Bao-Dur gives that absolutely brilliant dialogue that is basically the only dialogue I can quote by heart after many years. He looks at the PC and says: "You've looked at me, the longest you have looked at me..." and at the nod of the Exile's head, for that one look, he activates the Mass Shadow Generator. Then he seeks redemption for himself on Telos, but follows the Exile immediately, the moment s/he shows up. He is the one that build PC a lightsabre unquestioningly once s/he starts regaining his/her Force sensitivity. And, in the end, before leaving to seek his own final atonement, Bao-Dur leaves the Exile his most treasured possession, the Remote, to sacrifice itself to ensure the Exile can find whatever s/he seeks. It's basically the most consistent and epic story of devotion and pure adoration that was told in any of the BioWARE/Obsi games. I just loved the theme of the Exile and Bao-Dur forever cursed by the Exile ordering, and Bao-Dur's constructing and both of them detonating that doomsday device, and how that curse both linking them forever, and dooming them both. It's how the romance of that kind makes the story more personal and give it more than just save the world motivation that I do love about it. Same with Thane. Him dying resonates with the PC who is already dead. ME3 arc turning into a personal revenge story also works wonders, and culminates in the PC taking that final step into the digital vortex to solve the equation of the soul... Ah, well. I loved it & I would love to see something as emotionally powerful and integrating with the main plot again, giving PC more depth and personal motivation rather than being an awkward side-line & something for PC to relax and forget about the burdens and just do mundane stuff. Nah, I want MOAR of the not mundane, as grand a love-story and as important as possible :)
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 10, 2017 22:57:57 GMT
Do you guys think they will release all the romance choice info on Valentine's day like they did with DA2? I believe Mac Walters mentioned something like: "More about the companions in January". Romances might fall into this statement, we simply have to wait. Well considering we are now in January hopefully we see something soon.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Jan 10, 2017 23:38:24 GMT
I expect everybody will get 1 alien and 1 human option. I think this increases the chances that any given alien squad member is bisexual. If there are gay or bisexual humans I expect them to be stationary romances such as Josephine and Cullen were. Most Bioware games have had both a male and female "plot" romanceable squaddie that you get close to the beginning of the game that cannot be dropped from the party. Most of them have been straight. I don't see any particular reason that trend is likely to get disrupted. In Mass Effect, these are usually humans. Carth/Bastila Kaidan/Ashley Jacob/Miranda Alistair/Morrigan Cassandra/Solas So my prediction is basically this: Cora: straight Liam: straight Vetra or Peebee (hopefully both): bi Some male Andromedan alien: bi Some stationary male human: gay Some stationary female human: gay I haven't plated KoTOR, so I can't say about Carth and Bastila. However, I wouldn't call Kaidan or Ashley "plot" romanceable squadmates. That title would belong to Liara, and she's bi. Even then, Kaidan became available to both genders in Mass Effect 3. Miranda could possibly count as a "plot"squadmate, but Jacob on the other hand isn't very relevant besides being used as a squad leader during the Suicide Mission, who you can assign to two other likable squadmates. I agree with your Dragon Age ones (perhaps a little less about Cassandra, and Solas was last minute addition)but you left out Dragon Age 2, with Anders and Isabella, who are both bisexual options and very much involved in pivotal points in the plot. And with the info we have, we can't really tell how involved Liam and Cora are in the plot. Right now, PeeBee is looking the most plot relevant, and she's most likely a bisexual option.
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Post by Raga on Jan 11, 2017 6:07:11 GMT
You misunderstand what I mean by "plot" squaddies. I don't mean they are that important to the plot. I mean that the plot has you recruit them early, no matter what, and they are impossible to get rid of so that you always have somebody in your party. There are not clear analogues for this in ME3 and DA2.
In DA2 it's probably Varric/sibling and ME3 is the most open with Vega/Liara/Virmire survivor.
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Post by Vall on Jan 11, 2017 7:20:08 GMT
You misunderstand what I mean by "plot" squaddies. I don't mean they are that important to the plot. I mean that the plot has you recruit them early, no matter what, and they are impossible to get rid of so that you always have somebody in your party. There are not clear analogues for this in ME3 and DA2. In DA2 it's probably Varric/sibling and ME3 is the most open with Vega/Liara/Virmire survivor. I'd say ME3 analogue is James/Liara. because while you get VS early, it's just for one mission, then they are unavailable for half the game and then you're allowed to kill them off...while you get James and Liara on Mars and they stays with you until the end (although James is unromancable, but that just shows they are willing to make human squadmates unromancable)
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