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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 23, 2016 12:59:08 GMT
As others have said, announcements have been a mixture of intentioned and accidental. With Dragon Age Inquisition there was a sense that too much had been revealed too early, but BioWare have previously said that they like players to be able to know love interest preferences going into the game, if they want to, to avoid 50 hours trying to romance a character that's 'just not into them'... So you think they will reveal the preferences of all companions, just without gong into details? Or they will just disclose a few and we will have to find out about the rest of the companions by ourselfs? I personally think they could just give us a dry info who is romancable by whom and thats all. They want to market the game but they don't want to spoil the plot, so teasing the character information will get them a ton of coverage. There will be accidental leaks but I reckon this will be dripped out over the next 3 months...
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2016 22:42:25 GMT
People who can't spell Kaidan's name shouldn't use it. I would like if they just do a full reveal and be done with it. The character's looks and VA's are not as important to me as the available options. If there's no human gay guy I'm going to be really dissapointed. Game is preordered and I won't cancel, but still, I'd be damned dissapointed (even more so if the male gay option - if it exists - is something dumb, like the krogan - no offense to krogan fans, just my opinion on the matter). Even though VA's and looks are not that important, I do need to say I'm a bit "meh" after Scott's VA's interview where he said he always killed Kaidan. I didn't listened to it (I don't have the patience for that) but I don't really need to know the details to know why. Again, simply dissapointing lol. I liked the guy at first (did listen for about 10 minutes of the interview), now he's... meh. Scott's VA is probably like a good chunk of the straight guys who'd rather have a female over a male at their side. I don't think anything special ought to be read into it. I can tell you that I always kill Ashley. Does that mean straight people should dislike me for it or just accept that it's because I want my BroShep to have his Kaidan?
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Post by peebee on Dec 24, 2016 0:10:31 GMT
Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out? Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me). Peebee is from a monogender race. All indications are that asari have no preference for gender in regard to other species. Though they appear female we actually don't know what they look like naked. The fact that they don't reproduce through sex suggests they are not biologically female, at least not entirely. Yes that'd be one of the motives I wouldn't be happy with such a surprise, not only because I want to, but because it stated in the lore they don't have a preference and can have babies with any species. I mean, they could make her have a preference because of her personality or something but personally I wouldn't be very convinced.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 0:25:57 GMT
Peebee is from a monogender race. All indications are that asari have no preference for gender in regard to other species. Though they appear female we actually don't know what they look like naked. The fact that they don't reproduce through sex suggests they are not biologically female, at least not entirely. Yes that'd be one of the motives I wouldn't be happy with such a surprise, not only because I want to, but because it stated in the lore they don't have a preference and can have babies with any species. I mean, they could make her have a preference because of her personality or something but personally I wouldn't be very convinced. Where in the lore does it state that Asari don't have a gender preference?
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Post by peebee on Dec 24, 2016 0:37:43 GMT
Yes that'd be one of the motives I wouldn't be happy with such a surprise, not only because I want to, but because it stated in the lore they don't have a preference and can have babies with any species. I mean, they could make her have a preference because of her personality or something but personally I wouldn't be very convinced. Where in the lore does it state that Asari don't have a gender preference? Well I guess I expressed myself badly, I meant that since that it's stated they can have babies with any species it's indicated they don't have a preference when it comes to the physical aspect of their partner, not necessarily gender (be it female or male, or any race), of course maybe they do each have different kind of preference, but I think it was never really addressed, Aria kissing femShep longer on the Omega DLC counts? Maybe they prefer females in general? Maybe it's just her? Still she does kiss maleShep too, so she isn't against the idea? I have the impression they are generally not against trying a relationship with different species, but maybe it's all in my head
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 24, 2016 12:03:05 GMT
I wonder if there'll be a gay male (not bi, gay) option at all. Whether human or non-human, I'd like to see how BW will handle a gay male character after the criticism for Dorian and Cortez.
Personally I'd like a shy, withdrawn and precious gay male alien but we'll see. Just.. male romanceable male aliens would really be cool right about now.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 24, 2016 12:32:35 GMT
I wonder if there'll be a gay male (not bi, gay) option at all. Whether human or non-human, I'd like to see how BW will handle a gay male character after the criticism for Dorian and Cortez. Personally I'd like a shy, withdrawn and precious gay male alien but we'll see. Just.. male romanceable male aliens would really be cool right about now. I'd put money on it. Criticism? I thought Dorian was well liked, and Cortez's story was more about recovering from bereavement.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 24, 2016 12:59:03 GMT
I wonder if there'll be a gay male (not bi, gay) option at all. Whether human or non-human, I'd like to see how BW will handle a gay male character after the criticism for Dorian and Cortez. Personally I'd like a shy, withdrawn and precious gay male alien but we'll see. Just.. male romanceable male aliens would really be cool right about now. I'd put money on it. Criticism? I thought Dorian was well liked, and Cortez's story was more about recovering from bereavement. Dorian was well liked but he still got his fair amount of criticism for being stereotypical when it comes to his personality and story. Or then it's just me whining about him sometimes and everyone else just loves their sassy fashionable gay best friend. I don't recall much positive things being said about Cortez or his story for that matter. But it's at least showing how big the '' Gay KiSA '' thread was in the previous forums that a good number of people would like a specific type of a gay romance that hasn't been tapped into yet.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 24, 2016 13:24:11 GMT
I'd put money on it. Criticism? I thought Dorian was well liked, and Cortez's story was more about recovering from bereavement. Dorian was well liked but he still got his fair amount of criticism for being stereotypical when it comes to his personality and story. Or then it's just me whining about him sometimes and everyone else just loves their sassy fashionable gay best friend. I don't recall much positive things being said about Cortez or his story for that matter. But it's at least showing how big the '' Gay KiSA '' thread was in the previous forums that a good number of people would like a specific type of a gay romance that hasn't been tapped into yet. Yes, there are some voices about Dorian's behavior and backstory (from me as well), but they was absolutely in minority, but I think the most people loves him, and also his story. (Nevertheless, it should not be repeated... – my opinion.) Steve's character is good, as I see, the problem is, that he's not a squad mate, so he have less content. A gay KISA would be nice, especially to break down the stereotypes...
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Post by Kian on Dec 24, 2016 13:58:29 GMT
People who can't spell Kaidan's name shouldn't use it. I would like if they just do a full reveal and be done with it. The character's looks and VA's are not as important to me as the available options. If there's no human gay guy I'm going to be really dissapointed. Game is preordered and I won't cancel, but still, I'd be damned dissapointed (even more so if the male gay option - if it exists - is something dumb, like the krogan - no offense to krogan fans, just my opinion on the matter). Even though VA's and looks are not that important, I do need to say I'm a bit "meh" after Scott's VA's interview where he said he always killed Kaidan. I didn't listened to it (I don't have the patience for that) but I don't really need to know the details to know why. Again, simply dissapointing lol. I liked the guy at first (did listen for about 10 minutes of the interview), now he's... meh. Scott's VA is probably like a good chunk of the straight guys who'd rather have a female over a male at their side. I don't think anything special ought to be read into it. I can tell you that I always kill Ashley. Does that mean straight people should dislike me for it or just accept that it's because I want my BroShep to have his Kaidan? The issue here is a bit more subtle than what you make it out to be. First of all, no one is "reading" into it, I'm just taking facts into consideration. Now onto the matter at hand. I don't have a problem with someone choosing x or y because they want/like x or y. What irks me is people who make said choice based on a "herd" mentality. For example there will be a lot of guys who will boast loudly about how great the boobs are on x person, not necessarily because that's their personality or personal taste, but mostly because society drills in their head that's how "boys are supposed to act". I know this is a discussion a bit more nuanced than usual, but like I made it pretty clear this is my opinion on the matter. I have one eyebrow raised when it comes to Scott's VA now because of this. Obviously I am aware that he can be "innocent" and he had simply choosen what he liked, which would be great, no problem there, but experience tells me otherwise lol. As for your last comment, whether str8 people should dislike you for always choosing Kaidan, you are making a false equivalence. Whether intentional or not, is irrelevant at this point Cheers!
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Post by Gwydden on Dec 24, 2016 15:57:43 GMT
I suspect that the "always choosing Kaidan" thing is simply due to his being one of the many people who find him boring or just liking Ashley a lot. Not to mention that not everyone who replays these games is looking to experience as many alternatives as possible; some just go with the same choices most of the time. I don't see any need to come up with sinister reasons for his approach.
Personally I played the trilogy twice, first with Kaidan and then with Ashley. My general impression is that she is the better character in the first game while he is much more preferable in the third game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 22:06:30 GMT
Based off of Inquisition I really don't think Bioware is concerned about catering to the average straight male gamer too much anymore. So basing LIs off of the average gamer may be a bad idea.
In Inquisition straight men got 2 LIs (Cass and Josephine) while straight women got 4 (blackwall, solas, cullen, Iron bull). Gay men got 2 (dorian and iron bull) and lesbians got 2 (sera and josephine)
I'm sure no one ever expected straight females to get TWICE as much LIs as straight men, and for straight men to get the SAME amount as gays and lesbians.
Point is I really don't think Bioware cares about the average gamer base anymore. Gays and Lesbians could get more than straight women and men this time for all we know. (Though I doubt it)
We really have no idea what the distribution will be in Andromeda.
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Post by Lulupab on Dec 25, 2016 8:53:59 GMT
Many straight men play as female characters though. I think that's always considered as well.
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Post by Panda on Dec 25, 2016 9:57:44 GMT
I don't think Bioware thought as much numbers when making Cullen and Solas as options, in terms of let's give straight women more options, but rather what they could do with characters they had in the game and what would work for narrative they had planned. They make characters first and decide LI's afterwards anyways. Cullen and Solas as well were also planned as bisexual at some point.
This is all bit old talk though and probably not relevant at all for ME:A cause it has different staff and writers.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 25, 2016 10:26:44 GMT
Many straight men play as female characters though. I think that's always considered as well. Yep, always been my preference . My daughters think it's odd but there it is...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 12:49:24 GMT
Many straight men play as female characters though. I think that's always considered as well. Many, but definitely not most.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 13:00:09 GMT
I don't think Bioware thought as much numbers when making Cullen and Solas as options, in terms of let's give straight women more options, but rather what they could do with characters they had in the game and what would work for narrative they had planned. They make characters first and decide LI's afterwards anyways. Cullen and Solas as well were also planned as bisexual at some point. This is all bit old talk though and probably not relevant at all for ME:A cause it has different staff and writers. Not completely different staff and writers though. Also I think we can say the entirety of Bioware has the progressive, diverse, etc. mindset and not just the DA:I writers. I also don't think they sat down and said "we'll give straight females 2x as much LIs" The sexualites definitely made sense. I'm just saying they'd have no problem not giving straight men the most LIs in me:a.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 13:51:27 GMT
Dorian was well liked but he still got his fair amount of criticism for being stereotypical when it comes to his personality and story. Or then it's just me whining about him sometimes and everyone else just loves their sassy fashionable gay best friend. I don't recall much positive things being said about Cortez or his story for that matter. But it's at least showing how big the '' Gay KiSA '' thread was in the previous forums that a good number of people would like a specific type of a gay romance that hasn't been tapped into yet. Yes, there are some voices about Dorian's behavior and backstory (from me as well), but they was absolutely in minority, but I think the most people loves him, and also his story. (Nevertheless, it should not be repeated... – my opinion.) Steve's character is good, as I see, the problem is, that he's not a squad mate, so he have less content.A gay KISA would be nice, especially to break down the stereotypes... I don't think Steve's character was good. Comparing with the other characters, he always seemed extremely boring. He was a nice guy, yes... but that was it. His whole story was about the loss of his boy-friend. In addition, he lacked interesting character traits. He also seemed flawless, which made him very uninteresting. I couldn't say anything about his personality at all, except that he was nice. I really hope that the developers have learned from it and didn't create a Steve2.0 this time.
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Post by Panda on Dec 25, 2016 13:58:43 GMT
I don't think Bioware thought as much numbers when making Cullen and Solas as options, in terms of let's give straight women more options, but rather what they could do with characters they had in the game and what would work for narrative they had planned. They make characters first and decide LI's afterwards anyways. Cullen and Solas as well were also planned as bisexual at some point. This is all bit old talk though and probably not relevant at all for ME:A cause it has different staff and writers. Not completely different staff and writers though. Also I think we can say the entirety of Bioware has the progressive, diverse, etc. mindset and not just the DA:I writers. I also don't think they sat down and said "we'll give straight females 2x as much LIs" The sexualites definitely made sense. I'm just saying they'd have no problem not giving straight men the most LIs in me:a. Well I can't think anyone from DAI team that is now writing ME:A though there might be someone. Main writers have always been different though. ME team has given straight male characters most options this far unlike DA team, straight male characters had same amount LI's as straight female characters in DAO and DA2. Actually straight female characters had one more if you include Sebastian from DLC. So teams have had different takes, I don't really think DAI's situation can be compared to ME:A's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 14:02:05 GMT
I think the problem I have with the romance options for straight females in DAI is that they not only got the most romance options, but also the most diverse (two human, one Qunari, one Elf) (One advisor, three Teammembers) and in addition to that a very very veeeeery story-relevant character (Solas). I don't think that DAI is balanced in that regard. But I'm afraid it will be the same unbalance in Mass Effect Andromeda. Either heterosexual women or men will get the most attractive selection from love interests. I think this time it will be the women.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 25, 2016 14:11:30 GMT
Yes, there are some voices about Dorian's behavior and backstory (from me as well), but they was absolutely in minority, but I think the most people loves him, and also his story. (Nevertheless, it should not be repeated... – my opinion.) Steve's character is good, as I see, the problem is, that he's not a squad mate, so he have less content.A gay KISA would be nice, especially to break down the stereotypes... I don't think Steve's character was good. Comparing with the other characters, he always seemed extremely boring. He was a nice guy, yes... but that was it. His whole story was about the loss of his boy-friend. In addition, he lacked interesting character traits. He also seemed flawless, which made him very uninteresting. I couldn't say anything about his personality at all, except that he was nice. I really hope that the developers have learned from it and didn't create a Steve2.0 this time. (husband) But this is true. Because he got less content. This was the problem with him: simply they don't spent enough time on his character, sadly. Also I hope we will get more nuanced gay characters, but I don't find him so bad...
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Post by Panda on Dec 25, 2016 14:16:46 GMT
I think the problem I have with the romance options for straight females in DAI is that they not only got the most romance options, but also the most diverse (two human, one Qunari, one Elf) (One advisor, three Teammembers) and in addition to that a very very veeeeery story-relevant character (Solas). I don't think that DAI is balanced in that regard. But I'm afraid it will be the same unbalance in Mass Effect Andromeda. Either heterosexual women or men will get the most attractive selection from love interests. I think this time it will be the women. Sure. However Solases romance was after thought as well as Cullen's. Which is bit awkward when those pretty much seem like favorite romances in DAI, at least based on amount of fanworks. It would be best if romances were treated equally though. No "game over" romances like Jacob's, that are like wrong choices that end up in dead end or romances that are close to forgotten in following games.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 14:26:37 GMT
I think the problem I have with the romance options for straight females in DAI is that they not only got the most romance options, but also the most diverse (two human, one Qunari, one Elf) (One advisor, three Teammembers) and in addition to that a very very veeeeery story-relevant character (Solas). I don't think that DAI is balanced in that regard. But I'm afraid it will be the same unbalance in Mass Effect Andromeda. Either heterosexual women or men will get the most attractive selection from love interests. I think this time it will be the women. Sure. However Solases romance was after thought as well as Cullen's. Which is bit awkward when those pretty much seem like favorite romances in DAI, at least based on amount of fanworks. It would be best if romances were treated equally though. No "game over" romances like Jacob's, that are like wrong choices that end up in dead end or romances that are close to forgotten in following games. Mass Effect was developed at a time when the developers concentrated mainly on the romances for heterosexual men. You also notice this in games like Kotor or Jade Empire. Compared to Ashley, Miranda, Bastila or Silk Fox the male characters (Kaidan, Jacob, Carth and Sky) were just slightly more boring. But that has changed in recent years. Dragon Age is the first series, where developers increasingly focused on romances for heterosexual women. I think that this change will also be apparent in Mass Effect Andromeda. I guess we're going to get a similar scenario to DAI in terms of romance options. It is a good thing if not only the heterosexual men will get story relevant romances, and if male figures (for example Solas) are now more prominent in Bioware games (in past games the female characters had always been more relevant). But personally, I would be happy if at least the story-relevant romances were bi-sexual. Because, unfortunately, it is still the case that homosexual players are always at the back of the line. If not all characters are bisexual the developers will tend to make the story relevant options heterosexual. That's my problem with set sexualities.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 25, 2016 14:36:43 GMT
Sure. However Solases romance was after thought as well as Cullen's. Which is bit awkward when those pretty much seem like favorite romances in DAI, at least based on amount of fanworks. It would be best if romances were treated equally though. No "game over" romances like Jacob's, that are like wrong choices that end up in dead end or romances that are close to forgotten in following games. Mass Effect was developed at a time when the developers concentrated mainly on the romances for heterosexual men. You also notice this in games like Kotor or Jade Empire. Compared to Ashley, Miranda, Bastila or Silk Fox the male characters (Kaidan, Jacob, Carth and Sky) were just slightly more boring. But that has changed in recent years. Dragon Age is the first series, where developers increasingly focused on romances for heterosexual women. I think that this change will also be apparent in Mass Effect Andromeda. I guess we're going to get a similar scenario to DAI in terms of romance options. It is a good thing if not only the heterosexual men will get story relevant romances, and if male figures (for example Solas) are now more prominent in Bioware games (in past games the female characters had always been more relevant). Personally, I would be happy if at least the story-relevant romances were bi-sexual. Because, unfortunately, it is still the case that homosexual players are always at the back of the line. If not all characters are bisexuel developer will tend to make the story relevant options heterosexual. That's my problem with set sexualities.Unfortunately true. Anders romance was good from this viewpoint. (I don't found Kaidan boring.)
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Post by Panda on Dec 25, 2016 15:19:55 GMT
Liara as well. Though I have always bad luck with story relevant romances, not because of sexualities or gatings, but boring characters end up having those. Solas as expection. So haven't really done many of those myself.
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