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Post by peebee on Dec 20, 2016 13:34:32 GMT
Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out?
Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me).
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Post by fialka on Dec 20, 2016 14:01:41 GMT
Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out? Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me). Not sure how they've done it with Mass Effect, but I can tell you what they did with the last two Dragon Age games. For Inquisition they sort of announced one. And then another got mentioned by accident. And then they revealed another. And then we got some hints, and when asked about it, the devs were like, 'I though we revealed that already?' Over the course of months. It was super obnoxious, and led to the forums devolving into a whole crapload of speculation threads and 'which one seems gay to you?' and 'I want this one! <insert blushing heart emoji thing>' and 'here's why this one wouldn't be... <insert insulting generalization about people>' I actually enjoy threads like this one, but that got really stupid and caused a lot of fans a lot of frustration. People who don't care about romance included, because it permeated every conversation on the forums. I'd prefer they just sit on that info until release than that nonsense again. For DA2 they just released all the romance info at once on Valentine's Day, a month or two before the game's release, if I remember right. It would certainly make sense to go that route again for Andromeda what with the spring release date. I think that would be ideal. Release all the info on LIs at the same time, orientation included. Let people celebrate (or get over their disappointment) and then we can all move on (or at least keep it to the relevant threads). Or just don't reveal it at all. It's not like people who get the game early or do a speed run won't post that stuff online within a day of release, for those of us who want that info in advance.
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Dec 20, 2016 21:10:41 GMT
Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out? Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me). Not sure how they've done it with Mass Effect, [...] If I'm recalling correctly, they didn't really announce them with ME2 or ME3. We got that info through various leaks, but, nothing from official channels. I remember going through the boards days before release because I was desperate to know if Joker was romanceable. (Oh I was so bitter during ME2. So so bitter. The bitterest. ME3 was just heartbreaking instead.) Also looking through my guides and such. (I definitely recall getting ME3 for the midnight release and going through my guidebook to see who was romanceable and being so so so disappointed.) Mass Effect has always kept a lid on the romances, probably because that game has been far more about the action than the love stories. WAIT WAIT WAIT they announced Thane in ME2, that's right. He was described as being designed from the ground-up as being attractive to women in an article or something, I remember. Either way, though, the romances part of Mass Effect was never given the pomp and circumstance that Dragon Age did. The DAI way was… sort of fun. For those of us who got someone we wanted in an early announcement (Cullen for myself) the pressure was off so it felt more like a game. Except if you were hoping for non-straight options, then it was a nerve-wracking experience. I'm not sure I'd recommend that sort of slow leak again, because of how rabid things got as the game's release date got closer and closer. That conversation was everywhere. I think part of that, however, was Iron Bull and his rigging when paired with a Dwarf Inquisitor, and them not being sure if he'd make it. With Ryder being only human, I doubt that'll be an issue. I'm hoping they go for the DA2 route and release everything either on or by Valentine's Day. (Anders was sort-of revealed during an earlier gameplay demo. There was a flirting dialogue option taken with him.) It could be really cute, so long as at least one of your favorites is among the options. But, I don't know. The Mass Effect team is different than the Dragon Age team, especially marketing wise, and so is the audiences they tend to market towards. I imagine any romance information will probably be done low-key and with little notice, if at all. (I'm just really, really hoping Bioware grants two of my wishes at once and makes our Salarian pilot a specifically-asexual romance option. That'd be a flunking awesome Valentine's Day treat.)
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Post by AGECCR on Dec 21, 2016 1:16:41 GMT
If I'm recalling correctly, they didn't really announce them with ME2 or ME3. We got that info through various leaks, but, nothing from official channels. I remember going through the boards days before release because I was desperate to know if Joker was romanceable. (Oh I was so bitter during ME2. So so bitter. The bitterest. ME3 was just heartbreaking instead.) Also looking through my guides and such. (I definitely recall getting ME3 for the midnight release and going through my guidebook to see who was romanceable and being so so so disappointed.) Mass Effect has always kept a lid on the romances, probably because that game has been far more about the action than the love stories. WAIT WAIT WAIT they announced Thane in ME2, that's right. He was described as being designed from the ground-up as being attractive to women in an article or something, I remember. Either way, though, the romances part of Mass Effect was never given the pomp and circumstance that Dragon Age did. The DAI way was… sort of fun. For those of us who got someone we wanted in an early announcement (Cullen for myself) the pressure was off so it felt more like a game. Except if you were hoping for non-straight options, then it was a nerve-wracking experience. I'm not sure I'd recommend that sort of slow leak again, because of how rabid things got as the game's release date got closer and closer. That conversation was everywhere. I think part of that, however, was Iron Bull and his rigging when paired with a Dwarf Inquisitor, and them not being sure if he'd make it. With Ryder being only human, I doubt that'll be an issue. I'm hoping they go for the DA2 route and release everything either on or by Valentine's Day. (Anders was sort-of revealed during an earlier gameplay demo. There was a flirting dialogue option taken with him.) It could be really cute, so long as at least one of your favorites is among the options. But, I don't know. The Mass Effect team is different than the Dragon Age team, especially marketing wise, and so is the audiences they tend to market towards. I imagine any romance information will probably be done low-key and with little notice, if at all. (I'm just really, really hoping Bioware grants two of my wishes at once and makes our Salarian pilot a specifically-asexual romance option. That'd be a flunking awesome Valentine's Day treat.)I remember the DA2 Valentine's day LI reveals . I thought it was awesome. I can't remember if Fenris' look was shown off before the reveal or not though.... (And I forgot who Anders and Justice were, believe it or not. It didn't dawn on me until I was actually playing the game and I saw Anders at the clinic that I recognized them ) And I don't remember them stating the sexual orientation of any of the characters, either. Inquisition's was a mess, in my opinion. Cullen and Cassandra were the first to be revealed and there was backlash (about Cass' looks and no bi/gay romance being revealed first). Dorian's was all over gaming news as being a "gay character" and that's all people seemed to talk about with him, not that he was a Tevinter mage (didn't know that until I played the game, too >.>). People complained with Sera's announcement. I kinda drifted off from the romance threads after that for Iron Bull and Blackwall, and I saw Solas revealed last. I hope for no repeat of how they handled that situation. I think the best way to do it is to either announce them all at once and let people be on their way, or don't announce them at all until the game releases.
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 21, 2016 15:08:16 GMT
As sad as it sound... I just hope for less (unavoidable. I'm fine with a "Alistair King/Warden" choice, I just hate the no-choice whatsoeverlike Thane) sadness for the male LIs... and no cheaters... or dead wifes/husbands...
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Post by Catilina on Dec 21, 2016 15:38:07 GMT
As sad as it sound... I just hope for less (unavoidable. I'm fine with a "Alistair King/Warden" choice, I just hate the no-choice whatsoeverlike Thane) sadness for the male LIs... and no cheaters... or dead wifes/husbands... (You forget drunk/headless Alistair...)
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Post by fialka on Dec 21, 2016 15:38:47 GMT
As sad as it sound... I just hope for less (unavoidable. I'm fine with a "Alistair King/Warden" choice, I just hate the no-choice whatsoeverlike Thane) sadness for the male LIs... and no cheaters... or dead wifes/husbands... And don't forget the unavoidable breakups, or the major betrayals... or any of the 'because drama' crap that gets disproportionately thrown at male love interests for some reason. An no, tossing them onto the female LI's isn't the solution. That crap is cliche and not fun and please just stop. Not saying there can't be dramatic or sad moments in a romance and it all has to be sunshine and flowers or whatever, or that you can't create a negative outcome based on the choices you made, but at least come up with something new that's actually going to surprise me, instead of just having me roll my eyes and go 'this again, really?' I mean, as heart-wrenching as it was, the Solas thing was pretty well done and made sense for that character's story. That doesn't mean do it again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 15:45:15 GMT
but, but, but... then I would not have had my most favorite romance by Bio ever, Thane's! I would love action-adventure in the course of the romance like with Numen Brok or even better with bao Dur, and drama, like Thane's inevitable death, I am fine with previous relationships as long as the male LI deals without my being his therapist, and with the closure that occurred way before we met, a-la Thane. What I really am not going for is the betrayal subplot, because well, loyalty is something I like to have. The unconditional loyalty, like Bao Dur's, oh, boy, I want that!!! I also do not want the male LI to ever, ever, ever yell at my character, like Anomen and Kaiden. I just really hate it when people yell at me.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 21, 2016 15:47:48 GMT
There will be at least one romanceable NPC with dialogue like this: "And then, when I went to wake my wife from cryo sleep, there was this message flashing on her pod's status display. 'System redundancy failure : power supply' *sob sob sob*" Said NPC then gets triggered by every alarm beep on the Nexus, the Tempest and the Nomad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 16:01:19 GMT
There will be at least one romanceable NPC with dialogue like this: "And then, when I went to wake my wife from cryo sleep, there was this message flashing on her pod's status display. 'System redundancy failure : power supply' *sob sob sob*" Said NPC then gets triggered by every alarm beep on the Nexus, the Tempest and the Nomad. yeah, seeing it's only two romances per, I would not mind if that particular subplot for once got awarded to one of the romances for a male PC. I'll include my copy of the Therapy 101: BioWARE Romance Handbook for a Female Player, 1997-2014.
EDIT: I also seriously want BioWARE put it on the wheel as a pick-up line/conversation starter with a potential male LI:
(Sigh) So... Tell me about that important woman in your life that met a tragic ending. You are too handsome not to have one. Let's aim to get it out of the way in less than three dialogues, shall we?
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 21, 2016 16:19:07 GMT
yeah, seeing it's only two romances per, I would not mind if that particular subplot for once got awarded to one of the romances for a male PC. I'll include my copy of the Therapy 101: BioWARE Romance Handbook for a Female Player, 1997-2014.
EDIT: I also seriously want BioWARE put it on the wheel as a pick-up line/conversation starter with a potential male LI:
(Sigh) So... Tell me about that important woman in your life that met a tragic ending. You are too handsome not to have one. Let's aim to get it out of the way in less than three dialogues, shall we?
Hah, male player pioneered that kind of romance with Jaheira and Aribeth. We even got to meet their previous lovers before they croaked, and we liked it! I'd like them to lay off the forced drama on a general level, not just in romances. No "waah, waah, woe is me" in a relationship, and no "dramatic decision making" over life and death in a dialogue you can't exit and which forces you to make a choice despite the fact that you could just shut up for a moment, raise your pistol and resolve the problem with a few squeezes of the trigger. And then go back to your conversation. Other games can do it too, after all.
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 21, 2016 16:32:00 GMT
As sad as it sound... I just hope for less (unavoidable. I'm fine with a "Alistair King/Warden" choice, I just hate the no-choice whatsoeverlike Thane) sadness for the male LIs... and no cheaters... or dead wifes/husbands... (You forget drunk/headless Alistair...) (true. It was still a choice, and a great one to have for "true evilz" Wardens...) As sad as it sound... I just hope for less (unavoidable. I'm fine with a "Alistair King/Warden" choice, I just hate the no-choice whatsoeverlike Thane) sadness for the male LIs... and no cheaters... or dead wifes/husbands... And don't forget the unavoidable breakups, or the major betrayals... or any of the 'because drama' crap that gets disproportionately thrown at male love interests for some reason. An no, tossing them onto the female LI's isn't the solution. That crap is cliche and not fun and please just stop. Not saying there can't be dramatic or sad moments in a romance and it all has to be sunshine and flowers or whatever, or that you can't create a negative outcome based on the choices you made, but at least come up with something new that's actually going to surprise me, instead of just having me roll my eyes and go 'this again, really?' I mean, as heart-wrenching as it was, the Solas thing was pretty well done and made sense for that character's story. That doesn't mean do it again. yep. I really liked Solas. the drama was there, but it had just enought hope/sweetness to have me happy and satisfyed with the romance arc. But something like Jacob? NO! NEVER AGAIN!!! it was a cheap way to cut content, and in one of the most unfun ways. I would have preferred much more the (equally cheap) dead in battle. Frankly, ME3 had me feel, as a straight woman, insulted in the romance department. Two of the main romances cut out (Thane's death can be appreciated like no, frankly I don't like the way it was handled, I think it would have been better having a good mssion and a decisive choice about finding a cure or no, and the basically inexistent reaction from companions and the lack of unique content for a romanced Shep felt that his death was just a plot twist to cut out content, just like with Jacob), the other two potentially dead, and one only romancable if imported (so you can end up with no male choice if you had the bad luck to have kaidan dead and romanced Jacob or Thane), Vega get cold feet after having flirted for basically the entire game, and what it was done with him and Javik in Citadel was, quite frankly, insulting and not funnny in any way. Sometimes I felt that the ME team completely lacked of female staff, really! No woman I know would have ever thought those things were acceptable!!! I just hope the writing team have learned from both the ME3 failings, and the DAI hit-and-miss. (Sorry for the rant )
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Post by Catilina on Dec 21, 2016 16:34:25 GMT
(You forget drunk/headless Alistair...) (true. It was still a choice, and a great one to have for "true evilz" Wardens...) [...] (drunk Alistair not really the Warden's choice. This is Alistair's choice... Don't forget, don't kill anyone isn't an evil thing. Headless Alistair is evil thing.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 16:59:19 GMT
yeah, seeing it's only two romances per, I would not mind if that particular subplot for once got awarded to one of the romances for a male PC. I'll include my copy of the Therapy 101: BioWARE Romance Handbook for a Female Player, 1997-2014.
EDIT: I also seriously want BioWARE put it on the wheel as a pick-up line/conversation starter with a potential male LI:
(Sigh) So... Tell me about that important woman in your life that met a tragic ending. You are too handsome not to have one. Let's aim to get it out of the way in less than three dialogues, shall we?
Hah, male player pioneered that kind of romance with Jaheira and Aribeth. We even got to meet their previous lovers before they croaked, and we liked it! Oh, yeah, but Khalid did not leave you with a kid sideplot. That was left just for us, the girls. I have collected a bibliography of articles that helped me though romancing in bio games:
1. A Complete Guide to Fixing Broken Man, from Anomen to Zevran 2. Other Women Are Like That, Easily Mortal. 3. Roses for the Lady, Prozac for the Knight 4. Out of Options: Valygar’s Cut 5. Out of Options: the Sequel. Why not, Canderous? 6. Out of Options: Sagacious Without Zu 7. Almost Options. It’s Such an Avellone Thing to Do. 8. Out of Options. Fourth Time the Charm. Kaiden, I Love You Not. 9. Out of Options Again: Dipping into the Old Owl Well 10. Forgettable Experiences that Faded to Black in the Galaxy Far, Far Away 11. Seriously, Riggs? 12. Quinn: When Your One Token Romance Feels So Wrong on So Many Levels. 13. We’ve Got Options! Jacob Counts, You Know.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 21, 2016 17:31:53 GMT
Oh, yeah, but Khalid did not leave you with a kid sideplot. That was left just for us, the girls. I have collected a bibliography of articles that helped me though romancing in bio games: 1. A Complete Guide to Fixing Broken Man, from Anomen to Zevran 2. Other Women Are Like That, Easily Mortal. 3. Roses for the Lady, Prozac for the Knight 4. Out of Options: Valygar’s Cut 5. Out of Options: the Sequel. Why not, Canderous? 6. Out of Options: Sagacious Without Zu 7. Almost Options. It’s Such an Avellone Thing to Do. 8. Out of Options. Fourth Time the Charm. Kaiden, I Love You Not. 9. Out of Options Again: Dipping into the Old Owl Well 10. Forgettable Experiences that Faded to Black in the Galaxy Far, Far Away 11. Seriously, Riggs? 12. Quinn: When Your One Token Romance Feels So Wrong on So Many Levels. 13. We’ve Got Options! Jacob Counts, You Know. I am now grateful for generally feeling more jaded about romances. Thank you. I totally sympathize with you though. Video games are supposed to entertain us and give us some relief from real life, and not throw more crap at us. May your next romances be happy ones!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 17:40:09 GMT
I am now grateful for generally feeling more jaded about romances. Thank you. I totally sympathize with you though. Video games are supposed to entertain us and give us some relief from real life, and not throw more crap at us. May your next romances be happy ones! Ah, I am fine. I really enjoyed a few of the roms. In the past, romances packed a lion's share of the dialogues, but it's not the case any longer, so if I like one, great, if I don't, then I don't.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2016 5:04:14 GMT
Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out? Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me). Peebee is from a monogender race. All indications are that asari have no preference for gender in regard to other species. Though they appear female we actually don't know what they look like naked. The fact that they don't reproduce through sex suggests they are not biologically female, at least not entirely.
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Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out? Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me). Peebee is from a monogender race. All indications are that asari have no preference for gender in regard to other species. Though they appear female we actually don't know what they look like naked. The fact that they don't reproduce through sex suggests they are not biologically female, at least not entirely. The asari are monogendered and that gender is female. The in-game codex specifically calls them an 'all female species'. They are not a-gendered. They have a biological sex and it's female.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2016 5:21:34 GMT
Peebee is from a monogender race. All indications are that asari have no preference for gender in regard to other species. Though they appear female we actually don't know what they look like naked. The fact that they don't reproduce through sex suggests they are not biologically female, at least not entirely. The asari are monogendered and that gender is female. The in-game codex specifically calls them an 'all female species'. They are not a-gendered. They have a biological sex and it's female. OK, I can buy that to an extent. Except that Liara outright states that sex is not a requirement for reproduction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 5:34:34 GMT
The asari are monogendered and that gender is female. The in-game codex specifically calls them an 'all female species'. They are not a-gendered. They have a biological sex and it's female. OK, I can buy that to an extent. Except that Liara outright states that sex is not a requirement for reproduction. Oh yeah, I agree about that. They seem to utilize some type of parthenogenesis to reproduce and it doesn't require sex. And it's unclear if there if any asari have gender preferences for their mates. It's kind of hinted at with some asari that they prefer women, but I don't think we've ever seen an asari make a statement either way. Perhaps it's because they only have one gender but they certainly have a concept of gender. If they didn't in their early development, they would as soon as they met the other species in the Milky Way. I was just pointing out that they do have a sex. I see that misconception used on the boards a lot, so I was just clarifying.
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Post by readher on Dec 23, 2016 9:25:38 GMT
The asari are monogendered and that gender is female. The in-game codex specifically calls them an 'all female species'. They are not a-gendered. They have a biological sex and it's female. OK, I can buy that to an extent. Except that Liara outright states that sex is not a requirement for reproduction. The act of sex might not be required, but they have to give birth somehow so I imagine their sexual organs are same as the ones of human female, if only for child bearing and birth reasons.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 23, 2016 9:42:27 GMT
Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out? Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me). As others have said, announcements have been a mixture of intentioned and accidental. With Dragon Age Inquisition there was a sense that too much had been revealed too early, but BioWare have previously said that they like players to be able to know love interest preferences going into the game, if they want to, to avoid 50 hours trying to romance a character that's 'just not into them'...
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Post by Felya87 on Dec 23, 2016 10:58:46 GMT
OK, I can buy that to an extent. Except that Liara outright states that sex is not a requirement for reproduction. Oh yeah, I agree about that. They seem to utilize some type of parthenogenesis to reproduce and it doesn't require sex. And it's unclear if there if any asari have gender preferences for their mates. It's kind of hinted at with some asari that they prefer women, but I don't think we've ever seen an asari make a statement either way. Perhaps it's because they only have one gender but they certainly have a concept of gender. If they didn't in their early development, they would as soon as they met the other species in the Milky Way. I was just pointing out that they do have a sex. I see that misconception used on the boards a lot, so I was just clarifying. It make sense for them to be naturally more attracted to females. Is basic instinct, they felt more attracted to what is familiar, just as a Turian would be instictively more attracted to another turian, of how a human would prefer another one. At least on the pure istinctual plane. Than the Asari culture have pushed for the mixed unions to try to eradicate the Ardat-Yakshi problem, who is present mostly with both Asari parents.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 10:59:39 GMT
Does anyone know when the romance options are announced? This is the first time I've been looking at the news for a Bioware game before it's out. Or do people only know this kind of thing when the game is actually out? Also I hope Peebee is bi/pan, if she isn't, it sure will be a surprise (but not a good one for me). As others have said, announcements have been a mixture of intentioned and accidental. With Dragon Age Inquisition there was a sense that too much had been revealed too early, but BioWare have previously said that they like players to be able to know love interest preferences going into the game, if they want to, to avoid 50 hours trying to romance a character that's 'just not into them'... So you think they will reveal the preferences of all companions, just without gong into details? Or they will just disclose a few and we will have to find out about the rest of the companions by ourselfs? I personally think they could just give us a dry info who is romancable by whom and thats all.
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Post by Kian on Dec 23, 2016 11:30:46 GMT
People who can't spell Kaidan's name shouldn't use it. I would like if they just do a full reveal and be done with it. The character's looks and VA's are not as important to me as the available options. If there's no human gay guy I'm going to be really dissapointed. Game is preordered and I won't cancel, but still, I'd be damned dissapointed (even more so if the male gay option - if it exists - is something dumb, like the krogan - no offense to krogan fans, just my opinion on the matter). Even though VA's and looks are not that important, I do need to say I'm a bit "meh" after Scott's VA's interview where he said he always killed Kaidan. I didn't listened to it (I don't have the patience for that) but I don't really need to know the details to know why. Again, simply dissapointing lol. I liked the guy at first (did listen for about 10 minutes of the interview), now he's... meh.
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