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Post by dalinne on Dec 3, 2016 22:28:14 GMT
I don't know how to feel about playersexual. On one hand... I think I like it. I didn't have much problems in DA2 nor in Fallout4. On the other hand... I don't like to feel the characters are there simply to fulfill my desires. They feel less real to me.
However... the devs said the romance will be more nuanced, romances will be different depending on characters... so maybe the playersexuality is not as bad if someone you want to romance rejects you because he/she doesn't like you for different reasons (the way you act, your diplomatic skills or lack of diplomacy, etc.) In that case, it would be interesting
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Dec 3, 2016 22:29:15 GMT
Yeah based on this article it might be the Ign guy misunderstood. Hopefully we'll get a confirmation soon. Agreed. Only one of these is correct: either gamerant OR IGN because their information is directly conflicting. Either all romanceable characters are available to all PCs OR characters have pre-determined sexualities that are "part of who they are" (which I always eyeroll about).
Also, from reading that article, my interpretation sounded like it's going to be some sort of invisible relationship gauge where, the more you bond with a character, the stronger your relationship. I would guess that, with a romanceable character, at some point you'd get the trigger to start a romance and, if you choose not to, you'll continue building a platonic relationship/friendship with them. Basically, it's identifying that it won't be like ME2's horrible system where, as soon as you rejected a romance, you lost all ability to converse with the romanceable characters. EXACTLY. Ugh, don't get me STARTED... but I'll stay cool, Don't worry daveliam, I'll stay totally cool.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 22:30:45 GMT
Yeah based on this article it might be the Ign guy misunderstood. Hopefully we'll get a confirmation soon. Agreed. Only one of these is correct: either gamerant OR IGN because their information is directly conflicting. Either all romanceable characters are available to all PCs OR characters have pre-determined sexualities that are "part of who they are" (which I always eyeroll about). Also, from reading that article, my interpretation sounded like it's going to be some sort of invisible relationship gauge where, the more you bond with a character, the stronger your relationship. I would guess that, with a romanceable character, at some point you'd get the trigger to start a romance and, if you choose not to, you'll continue building a platonic relationship/friendship with them. Basically, it's identifying that it won't be like ME2's horrible system where, as soon as you rejected a romance, you lost all ability to converse with the romanceable characters. Which, all in all, sounds much more plausible then BioWare writing deep relationships for multiple, "bi/pansexual" characters convincingly... we all remember DA2 Anders, don't we? *cringe* I mean, yea, they wound't really be, since they would react to the players sexuality, but still... meh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 22:30:45 GMT
Agreed. Only one of these is correct: either gamerant OR IGN because their information is directly conflicting. Either all romanceable characters are available to all PCs OR characters have pre-determined sexualities that are "part of who they are" (which I always eyeroll about).
Also, from reading that article, my interpretation sounded like it's going to be some sort of invisible relationship gauge where, the more you bond with a character, the stronger your relationship. I would guess that, with a romanceable character, at some point you'd get the trigger to start a romance and, if you choose not to, you'll continue building a platonic relationship/friendship with them. Basically, it's identifying that it won't be like ME2's horrible system where, as soon as you rejected a romance, you lost all ability to converse with the romanceable characters. EXACTLY. Ugh, don't get me STARTED... but I'll stay cool, Don't worry daveliam, I'll stay totally cool. Twerk it off, brah!
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Post by Mihura on Dec 3, 2016 23:05:28 GMT
No wait actually it was a misinformation, the LIs are all diverse. Ah well, I guess I am just going back to pray for not having another Sera in game.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 3, 2016 23:39:44 GMT
More nuanced player-sexuality may just be a very practical response to having less companions. DAI had more characters so defined orientations were easier to add up to choice for all.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 3, 2016 23:48:29 GMT
More nuanced player-sexuality may just be a very practical response to having less companions. DAI had more characters so defined orientations were easier to add up to choice for all. The romances aren't limited to the squad or crew though. In any case, it was a misunderstanding.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 3, 2016 23:49:21 GMT
UPDATE
see twitter thread. Player-sexuality is a misquote. Back to 2/2/3?
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 23:54:13 GMT
More nuanced player-sexuality may just be a very practical response to having less companions. DAI had more characters so defined orientations were easier to add up to choice for all. Possible, then again, if it is between writing diverse dialogue options for fewer characters or having a greater number of more distinct characters. I'd choose that latter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 0:09:53 GMT
I would definitely much prefer to have four (2 male, 2 female) really well done romances than a wide array of options, many of whom are going to have marginal content. My prediction is that we'll end up with a group of "full romances" and those will be with party members and major NPCs. Then we'll have a slew of "flings" that don't unlock whatever romance achievement they include in this game. And those will include major NPCs and minor NPCs. And, knowing this franchise, I'd guess that with the "full romances" we'll end up with about 3 or 4 options for straight males and 2 each for straight females, gay males, and lesbians. And I'm sticking with: straight Scott - PeeBee, Cora, & Vetra (and maybe one more) gay Scott - Liam and one more who we haven't seen yet straight Sara - Liam and one more that we haven't seen yet (and likely different than the one for gay Scott) lesbian Sara - PeeBee and one more who we haven't seen yet Although I'm often wrong about these things!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2016 0:10:24 GMT
I'm most interested in seeing who are the romance options where sex isn't mandatory, unlike essentially all of the LIs in the Shepard Trilogy.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2016 0:13:17 GMT
I would definitely much prefer to have four (2 male, 2 female) really well done romances than a wide array of options, many of whom are going to have marginal content. My prediction is that we'll end up with a group of "full romances" and those will be with party members and major NPCs. Then we'll have a slew of "flings" that don't unlock whatever romance achievement they include in this game. And those will include major NPCs and minor NPCs. And, knowing this franchise, I'd guess that with the "full romances" we'll end up with about 3 or 4 options for straight males and 2 each for straight females, gay males, and lesbians. And I'm sticking with: straight Scott - PeeBee, Cora, & Vetra (and maybe one more) gay Scott - Liam and one more who we haven't seen yet straight Sara - Liam and one more that we haven't seen yet (and likely different than the one for gay Scott) lesbian Sara - PeeBee and one more who we haven't seen yet Although I'm often wrong about these things! For what is worth, Mac's favorite romance is an npc we meet on a planet, so she might not be necessarily important. It depends mostly on the writing budget. Based on previous information, they have more lines available for squadmates and possibly npcs in general.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 0:23:41 GMT
I'm most interested in seeing who are the romance options where sex isn't mandatory, unlike essentially all of the LIs in the Shepard Trilogy. I wonder if the salarian pilot might be a romantic (versus sexual) option. We know that salarians don't have much of a sex drive and that, realistically, they don't have much sexual pleasure in their reproduction. If s/he's the pilot (which has traditionally been a pretty high profile character like Joker and Steve), maybe s/he will also be a romance option along the lines that you prefer?
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Post by Cathe on Dec 4, 2016 0:40:56 GMT
I personally am hoping for Peebee and/or Vetra to be a love interest for female Ryder. If they aren't...that will be Cassandra level heartbreak for me (I'm just being greedy by wanting both. One of the two is fine!) I would like to say though that love interest speculation was my favourite part of the old forum and is why I am so happy that this board is a thing now So I will keep this thread up. Very interesting seeing peoples opinions
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 4, 2016 0:51:24 GMT
I haven't been a fan of playersexual squaddies in the past, but after seeing DAI, I can understand how it may become a necessity. Bioware wants each romance to have a different arc. It's boring if all the romances have happy endings. However, they also want to give every orientation some opportunity to find love. Since everyone should have the possibility of getting a happy outcome Bioware would either have to make 50% of the LI's work out well (one good ending and one bad ending per orientation), make the bisexual LI's the ones that end happily, or make all the LI's playersexual. Otherwise they will end up railroading one orientation into bad outcomes only.
So if it means everyone getting a shot at happiness, I can accept that the Ryder twins are completely irresistible.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 4, 2016 0:59:18 GMT
I'm most interested in seeing who are the romance options where sex isn't mandatory, unlike essentially all of the LIs in the Shepard Trilogy. I wonder if the salarian pilot might be a romantic (versus sexual) option. We know that salarians don't have much of a sex drive and that, realistically, they don't have much sexual pleasure in their reproduction. If s/he's the pilot (which has traditionally been a pretty high profile character like Joker and Steve), maybe s/he will also be a romance option along the lines that you prefer? I always thought Salarians were like amphibians, who mate externally. The male salamander drops a packet of sperm near the female and she puts it into her cloaca. Romantic, no? So I can totally see a Salarian romance sans sex (which they seem to view as for reproduction only) as a possibility. But players who don't want to have sexual relationships should probably have a human option as well.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 1:05:30 GMT
Ah well, maybe I'm too much of an old school RPGer there, but the most memorable romances for me will always be Aerie, Bastila and Morrigan... with Witcher 3's girls quickly gaining ground, though. It's hard making something memorable and believable with today's standards. There is always one thing that has to give way, either it's the freedom of choice regarding your own character or the complexity of the other characters.
That's probably also the reason why so many games drop romances all together as of late (ie. Pillars or Tyranny)...
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2016 1:08:03 GMT
Ah well, maybe I'm too much of an old school RPGer there, but the most memorable romances for me will always be Aerie, Bastila and Morrigan... with Witcher 3's girls quickly gaining ground, though. It's hard making something memorable and believable with today's standards. There is always one thing that has to give way, either it's the freedom of choice regarding your own character or the complexity of the other characters. That's probably also the reason why so many games drop romances all together as of late (ie. Pillars or Tyranny)... For Pillars, I recall Avellone isn't a big fan of romances in general, or at least happy-ended romances.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 1:11:27 GMT
Ah well, maybe I'm too much of an old school RPGer there, but the most memorable romances for me will always be Aerie, Bastila and Morrigan... with Witcher 3's girls quickly gaining ground, though. It's hard making something memorable and believable with today's standards. There is always one thing that has to give way, either it's the freedom of choice regarding your own character or the complexity of the other characters. That's probably also the reason why so many games drop romances all together as of late (ie. Pillars or Tyranny)... For Pillars, I recall Avellone isn't a big fan of romances in general, or at least happy-ended romances. Which is fine, they don't have a place in every RPG... that's what I meant with "BioWares romances have been too formulaic", but they apparently already realized that. So, hey, maybe we'll get the next Morrigan or Bastila this time!
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 4, 2016 1:16:39 GMT
For Pillars, I recall Avellone isn't a big fan of romances in general, or at least happy-ended romances. Which is fine, they don't have a place in every RPG... that's what I meant with "BioWares romances have been too formulaic", but they apparently already realized that. So, hey, maybe we'll get the next Morrigan or Bastila this time! Eh, I doubt a romance will top Morrigan for me since it went behind the romance path in the dialogue, but it linked with the DR, the separation, WH and then what was stated in Inquisition. The way I roleplayed my character helped as well. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy other romances. I liked other LI in following Bioware games (the one in your avatar Expecially), so as long as Bioware improves on the 'mechanics' of the romances, as it seems they're doing (and having more budget for writing npcs helps) I'll be fine.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 1:47:49 GMT
Which is fine, they don't have a place in every RPG... that's what I meant with "BioWares romances have been too formulaic", but they apparently already realized that. So, hey, maybe we'll get the next Morrigan or Bastila this time! Eh, I doubt a romance will top Morrigan for me since it went behind the romance path in the dialogue, but it linked with the DR, the separation, WH and then what was stated in Inquisition. The way I roleplayed my character helped as well. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy other romances. I liked other LI in following Bioware games (the one in your avatar Expecially), so as long as Bioware improves on the 'mechanics' of the romances, as it seems they're doing (and having more budget for writing npcs helps) I'll be fine. I hope sure hope so... BW has lost quite some trust from me since ME3's botched story and DAI awkward pandering.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 4, 2016 2:17:02 GMT
I wonder if the salarian pilot might be a romantic (versus sexual) option. We know that salarians don't have much of a sex drive and that, realistically, they don't have much sexual pleasure in their reproduction. If s/he's the pilot (which has traditionally been a pretty high profile character like Joker and Steve), maybe s/he will also be a romance option along the lines that you prefer? I always thought Salarians were like amphibians, who mate externally. The male salamander drops a packet of sperm near the female and she puts it into her cloaca. Romantic, no? So I can totally see a Salarian romance sans sex (which they seem to view as for reproduction only) as a possibility. But players who don't want to have sexual relationships should probably have a human option as well. From the wiki and Codex: The salarians are amphibian haplo-diploid egg-layers; unfertilized eggs produce males and fertilized eggs produce females. Once a year, a salarian female will lay a clutch of dozens of eggs. Social rules prevent all but a fraction from being fertilized. As a result, 90% of the species is male.I can see if they want to have a pure asexual romance that a Salarian like our pilot could be a good choice. It gives them a chance to have a Salarian romance which they haven't had yet and some fans expressed interest in, as well as pursuing a new kind of romance being explicitly asexual. And yeah, I suspect that there will be other options that can go either way since Bioware devs have stated that on Twitter, so I suspect for some it will either be an option(like say Dorian, Rainier, and Sera in DAI) or left ambiguous so the player can interpret it how they wish(like say Josephine and Solas in DAI and Kelly in ME2-3).
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Post by Kian on Dec 4, 2016 3:18:04 GMT
I don't know what "mechanical way of telling you their sexual orientation" (or whateves lol, I closed the link to the article so I don't have the exact quote) means (in DAI). I remember they going out of their way not to say it. Even Dorian walks around a lot of bushes before finally saying it, somewhat clear, that he's into guys. And this is a scifi. I really hope we actually get a chill dude who can tell you "oh I'm gay" in any situation that would require such a comment, as opposed to stuff like "I'm a bit unusual. While I do think women are super duper, I prefer the company of men. Do you think that's weird? I understand if you never talk to me again..." (presumably he prefers men's company for tea purposes since it's not otherwise stated wth is you prefer them for ) Anyway, I also roll my eyes out of my skull at the whole "sexual orientation is a thing only if it makes sense for the character". Which given that it only ever applies to gay characters, and especially males, it's just another coded way of saying old nasty stuff. On a more optimistic note, I do hope our romances are acknowledged by other people. I loved how in DAO members or your party would have unique dialogue once your romance was "advanced" enough. As for the sexual orientation of the npcs... well I wouldn't mind if all are available for both Ryder siblings. I'm fine with it. Personally I would prefer for things to be defined. As in, have gay characters, str8 ones, etc. I'm mostly interested in visibility and representation when it comes to gay male characters, especially considering how often (read almost always) they get the short stick or are not-existent. And like I said, this being a scifi, I expect a level of maturity about it in the in-game world, none of that "preference" or "str8 until I met you" or "no labels" or "i'm weird don't hate me" or "I only talk/look at/act about women, but I'll sleep with you" nonsense... (and many other irritating, outdated and downright stupid tropes). I'm hopeful they will do good though. Ultimately they have so far confirmed some good stuff, so there's no reason yet for me to worry
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Post by Mihura on Dec 4, 2016 4:07:51 GMT
I don't know what "mechanical way of telling you their sexual orientation" (or whateves lol, I closed the link to the article so I don't have the exact quote) means (in DAI). I remember they going out of their way not to say it. Even Dorian walks around a lot of bushes before finally saying it, somewhat clear, that he's into guys. And this is a scifi. I really hope we actually get a chill dude who can tell you "oh I'm gay" in any situation that would require such a comment, as opposed to stuff like "I'm a bit unusual. While I do think women are super duper, I prefer the company of men. Do you think that's weird? I understand if you never talk to me again..." (presumably he prefers men's company for tea purposes since it's not otherwise stated wth is you prefer them for ) Anyway, I also roll my eyes out of my skull at the whole "sexual orientation is a thing only if it makes sense for the character". Which given that it only ever applies to gay characters, and especially males, it's just another coded way of saying old nasty stuff. On a more optimistic note, I do hope our romances are acknowledged by other people. I loved how in DAO members or your party would have unique dialogue once your romance was "advanced" enough. As for the sexual orientation of the npcs... well I wouldn't mind if all are available for both Ryder siblings. I'm fine with it. Personally I would prefer for things to be defined. As in, have gay characters, str8 ones, etc. I'm mostly interested in visibility and representation when it comes to gay male characters, especially considering how often (read almost always) they get the short stick or are not-existent. And like I said, this being a scifi, I expect a level of maturity about it in the in-game world, none of that "preference" or "str8 until I met you" or "no labels" or "i'm weird don't hate me" or "I only talk/look at/act about women, but I'll sleep with you" nonsense... (and many other irritating, outdated and downright stupid tropes). I'm hopeful they will do good though. Ultimately they have so far confirmed some good stuff, so there's no reason yet for me to worry I agree but sometimes the design and personality is almost stuck on a box even though they try hard not to do it. For example Dorian is a little on the charming, nerd, flamboyant type on the other hand Sera is super aggressive and blunt about being attract to woman and a little tombyish. A little weird really that only the bisexual LIs seem to be out of the box stereotypes. Of course there is nothing wrong with spinning a stereotype, I would love Cassandra as a lesbian for example but Bioware is so off the mark with the LIs, that I doubt ME:A will be better at that. I guess I just like the bisexual LIs more because they have a different feel of freedom to them, they can be any character but when it comes to the gays is some dramatic shit or fanservice to tell you things in the shower "looking at you sam".
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