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Post by Kian on Dec 4, 2016 5:57:29 GMT
I agree but sometimes the design and personality is almost stuck on a box even though they try hard not to do it. For example Dorian is a little on the charming, nerd, flamboyant type on the other hand Sera is super aggressive and blunt about being attract to woman and a little tombyish. A little weird really that only the bisexual LIs seem to be out of the box stereotypes. Of course there is nothing wrong with spinning a stereotype, I would love Cassandra as a lesbian for example but Bioware is so off the mark with the LIs, that I doubt ME:A will be better at that. I guess I just like the bisexual LIs more because they have a different feel of freedom to them, they can be any character but when it comes to the gays is some dramatic shit or fanservice to tell you things in the shower "looking at you sam". True. Afterall we're dealing with fictional characters, not real people, so of course there will be some things that are a bit odd. And yes even after I wrote that comment, I was thinking that it depends on how the writers write their characters, like what's their process and how they go about doing it. If they for example include stuff like sexual orientation from the get go, then yeah, I can totally see what they mean by "part of the character". In that case it would actually be literal
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Post by Kian on Dec 4, 2016 6:00:33 GMT
There's discussion on previous pages about that article and all romances being bi/playersexual. The author corrected and clarified on twitter: not all romances are bi/playersexual. Npcs have orientations, like in DAI. Now I haven't saved the link, nor have I read very carefully to be sure we're talking about the same thing, so feel free to not take this as fact. The more dedicated and patient fans out here can look up and post twitter messages and whatnot (with timeline and everything) for a reliable confirmation
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Post by fialka on Dec 4, 2016 6:09:48 GMT
My predictions for the actual fleshed-out romances are: Females will be Cora, Pee Bee, and Vetra, because that way you have your obligatory (probably) hot human and obligatory cute asari, and an alien option for the adventurous types. Males will be Liam, and... alien guy squadmate we haven't met yet (species TBD) and/or some other alien guy we haven't met yet (species TBD). Kinda hoping for Mystery Man "sexy voice" Reyes (species also TBD) because that's, like, the only male character other than the krogan we've at least heard speak, so it's all I've got. Also, sexy voice. Seriously though, when you look at those character reveals there seems to be a bit of a disparity... Don't get me wrong, I love that there's all this opportunity for strong female characters in important roles and all, but, where are all the guys? We've literally seen one male character we're not related to and he's a lizard. Two if you count Liam the silent helmeted dude. Never thought I'd say this, but, hopefully the next trailer/gameplay demo will be a total sausagefest As far as presumed orientation... Not gonna touch that one, as it's too easy to fall into the trap of 'I think s/he seems gay/straight because...' and that can go downhill real quick for even those with the best intentions. But I will say that, while I prefer realistic representation over player-sexuality, I hope there's a not-quite-realistic number of bisexual love interests for the sake of player choice I also hope that more romances means more romances, not just more people you can sleep with, making my estimate of three girls and two (maybe three) guys a modest one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 11:35:35 GMT
Oh no, for a moment I really had the hope that all characters are pan/playersexual. I still remember how disappointed I was that Solas is only available for women as a romance option. I'm really scared that it's going to happen again with a character I have feelings for. By the way, my guess is that Cora is heterosexual, Peebee pansexuell and Vetra lesbian.I do not think the developers thought of Nyleen when they set Vetras sexuality. Therefore, I do not believe that they made Vetra heterosexual for this reason. I think many heterosexual men would have problems to romance a Turian, because they are far away from human beauty. Please do not misunderstand: I know that does not count for everyone. But I think lesbian women might be more tolerant with her look in general. That's just my guess though. As for the men, I can only speculate at the moment. Liam seems quite sure to be a romanceoption. The question is just whether he'll be available for Sara only or Sara 'and' Scott. As I said many times in the old Bioware forum: I really hope the story relevant romance options are pan/playersexual. Solas was such an important character in the game and it really hurt that I couldn't romance him with male inquisitor. I Hope this doesn't happen again. But my experience is that when there are defined sexualities, the heterosexual options are always more relevant (except if it's an Asari). That's why I'm still afraid that I won't have the same great experiences when it comes to immersion/romance.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 11:39:15 GMT
There's discussion on previous pages about that article and all romances being bi/playersexual. The author corrected and clarified on twitter: not all romances are bi/playersexual. Npcs have orientations, like in DAI. Now I haven't saved the link, nor have I read very carefully to be sure we're talking about the same thing, so feel free to not take this as fact. The more dedicated and patient fans out here can look up and post twitter messages and whatnot (with timeline and everything) for a reliable confirmation That's what I got from it too, yea... and I still think it's better that way. Makes for more tight and believable character writing.
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Post by javeart on Dec 4, 2016 13:04:11 GMT
In a very, very absurd way (I realize we know almost nothing and my biggest problem is that I'm making assupmtions) I'm feeling pessimistic about my options this time. The first thing it's I'm the kind of player that nly really enjoy romances with companions, and that makes me think that maybe my only option it's going to be Liam, and we've heard only a little about him, sure, but that little bit doesn't sound the least interesting to me. Also, I'm afraid he might be as young as Ryder, and that isn't appealing to me either. I really hope he's not, right now I think it's what matters the most to me, because I think that it would totally kill the romance for me. Again, I know I'm being absurd since we know almost nothing about Liam and we might still get another male and romanceable squadmate, don't need to point that out, I know it I think I might feel this way only because I never enjoyed much any of the ME romances before.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 13:15:28 GMT
I think I'm beginning to see more and more why some developers don't like romances in their games...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 13:31:22 GMT
my thing on the 'make everyone bisexual' is that they aren't saying "hey, this character is bi because that's how they are." it feels more like "this character is written to be bi because we want everyone to be happy." i'd rather them write them to be gay/bi because that just how they are. and i also dislike having characters' sexuality be based on their personality. it makes it sound like people have to act a certain way in order for their sexuality to for which is really... bad. more on topic: i think it'd be pretty amazing if they just did something no ones expects like make peebee a lesbian since everyone assumes asari have to be bi/pan.
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Post by javeart on Dec 4, 2016 13:38:26 GMT
my thing on the 'make everyone bisexual' is that they aren't saying "hey, this character is bi because that's how they are." it feels more like "this character is written to be bi because we want everyone to be happy." i'd rather them write them to be gay/bi because that just how they are. and i also dislike having characters' sexuality be based on their personality. it makes it sound like people have to act a certain way in order for their sexuality to for which is really... bad. more on topic: i think it'd be pretty amazing if they just did something no ones expects like make peebee a lesbian since everyone assumes asari have to be bi/pan. Staying off topic a little more I'm not sure choosing the bisexuals to be the LI, so that everyone it's happy, it's very different to choose the pretty women or men to be LI, surely they make that so players are happier with their options, or it's a coincidence that the more conventinally good looking characters are usually the one interested in the PC and open to a relationship? I think I understand what you mean, but honestly, I think romances always have a lot of "making people happy" going on in any case, so I don't see it much of a strecth going on a little further and try to make everyone equally happy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 13:53:03 GMT
my thing on the 'make everyone bisexual' is that they aren't saying "hey, this character is bi because that's how they are." it feels more like "this character is written to be bi because we want everyone to be happy." i'd rather them write them to be gay/bi because that just how they are. and i also dislike having characters' sexuality be based on their personality. it makes it sound like people have to act a certain way in order for their sexuality to for which is really... bad. more on topic: i think it'd be pretty amazing if they just did something no ones expects like make peebee a lesbian since everyone assumes asari have to be bi/pan. Staying off topic a little more I'm not sure choosing the bisexuals to be the LI, so that everyone it's happy, it's very different to choose the pretty women or men to be LI, surely they make that so players are happier with their options, or it's a coincidence that the more conventinally good looking characters are usually the one interested in the PC and open to a relationship? I think I understand what you mean, but honestly, I think romances always have a lot of "making people happy" going on in any case, so I don't see it much of a strecth going on a little further and try to make everyone equally happy i'm focusing more on how bw treats sexuality more than just romances in general. it's kinda shitty representation to have when you know they make the characters all pan/bi just to play things safe. i think we'll just have to disagree.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 13:56:13 GMT
Staying off topic a little more I'm not sure choosing the bisexuals to be the LI, so that everyone it's happy, it's very different to choose the pretty women or men to be LI, surely they make that so players are happier with their options, or it's a coincidence that the more conventinally good looking characters are usually the one interested in the PC and open to a relationship? I think I understand what you mean, but honestly, I think romances always have a lot of "making people happy" going on in any case, so I don't see it much of a strecth going on a little further and try to make everyone equally happy i'm focusing more on how bw treats sexuality more than just romances in general. it's kinda shitty representation to have when you know they make the characters all pan/bi just to play things safe. i think we'll just have to disagree. Well, it is a game, so realism has to give way at some point... which, of course, raises the question why bother with it in the first place, but that's a whole different story.
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Post by javeart on Dec 4, 2016 13:58:49 GMT
Staying off topic a little more I'm not sure choosing the bisexuals to be the LI, so that everyone it's happy, it's very different to choose the pretty women or men to be LI, surely they make that so players are happier with their options, or it's a coincidence that the more conventinally good looking characters are usually the one interested in the PC and open to a relationship? I think I understand what you mean, but honestly, I think romances always have a lot of "making people happy" going on in any case, so I don't see it much of a strecth going on a little further and try to make everyone equally happy i'm focusing more on how bw treats sexuality more than just romances in general. it's kinda shitty representation to have when you know they make the characters all pan/bi just to play things safe. i think we'll just have to disagree. Ok, agreed to disagree Forgive me to add one thing, just to make my position clearer: I'm not saying the LIs should be the only bisexual characters in the game, there could (should) be more. In any case, I think I understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying it's unreasonable or anything, I think I get the point you're trying to make and I understand those concerns, I think it's more about how I see character building in games which I don't it's free in any case of decisions made for convenience
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Post by wright1978 on Dec 4, 2016 14:01:57 GMT
Personally i'm hoping Cora's hetrosexual or Bi li.
Ideally imo Vetra isn't romanceable due to the whole dextro thing. If she is other option is that Peebee is too young to be interested in relationship but given her high profile early appearance that might be just wishful thinking on my part as i've seen nothing about her i like. You'd wonder if all 3 will be romanceable since they generally don't like that unless there's a fourth unromanceable female squaddie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 14:32:05 GMT
more on topic: i think it'd be pretty amazing if they just did something no ones expects like make peebee a lesbian since everyone assumes asari have to be bi/pan. I've been thinking about it, but I can not really imagine it, as Peebee seems to be one of the more important characters. That's why I doubt that she is only available to women. Rather, I could imagine the other non playable Asari as female only.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 14:37:30 GMT
more on topic: i think it'd be pretty amazing if they just did something no ones expects like make peebee a lesbian since everyone assumes asari have to be bi/pan. I've been thinking about it, but I can not really imagine it, as Peebee seems to be one of the more important characters. That's why I doubt that she is only available to women. Rather, I could imagine the other non playable Asari as female only. you don't think an important character can be a lesbian? and i'm mostly just putting out there to go against the whole 'all asari are bi' thing. it probably won't happen. lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 14:41:09 GMT
I've been thinking about it, but I can not really imagine it, as Peebee seems to be one of the more important characters. That's why I doubt that she is only available to women. Rather, I could imagine the other non playable Asari as female only. you don't think an important character can be a lesbian? and i'm mostly just putting out there to go against the whole 'all asari are bi' thing. it probably won't happen. lol Yes, I think they would not make important characters gay or lesbian only. Don't get me wrong ... I'd like to see it, but I can not imagine Bioware to go this route. And yes, I don't think all asari have to be bi. Actually, it makes sense that many Asaris are only into women, since their whole species consists only of women. But as I said, I think that the other Asari is "lesbian". IPeebee is more likely bi/pansexual.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 14:47:23 GMT
you don't think an important character can be a lesbian? and i'm mostly just putting out there to go against the whole 'all asari are bi' thing. it probably won't happen. lol Yes, I think they would not make important characters gay or lesbian only. Don't get me wrong ... I'd like to see it, but I can not imagine Bioware to go this route. And yes, I don't think all asari have to be bi. Actually, it makes sense that many Asaris are only into women, since their whole species consists only of women. But as I said, I think that the other Asari is "lesbian". IPeebee is more likely bi/pansexual. ah, okay i get ya! i have a hard time seeing bioware doing it too, especially if she's turns out to be important. it'd be a nice change of pace though.
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Post by readher on Dec 4, 2016 14:54:30 GMT
Personally i'm hoping Cora's hetrosexual or Bi li. Ideally imo Vetra isn't romanceable due to the whole dextro thing. If she is other option is that Peebee is too young to be interested in relationship but given her high profile early appearance that might be just wishful thinking on my part as i've seen nothing about her i like. You'd wonder if all 3 will be romanceable since they generally don't like that unless there's a fourth unromanceable female squaddie. I'm 100% sure Cora will be heterosexual or bi. No matter what BioWare can't abandon their core audience which is heterosexual male who probably wants to romance a human. That said I'd be glad if she was bi, because I like to play as both male and female, but can never bring myself to romance guys (it just feels weird as hell to me). I have a feeling though that Cora will be heterosexual, while Jien Garson will be an RO and bisexual at that. That'd be less fortunate for my female playthroughs (unless Jien is blonde as well hehe, but chances for that are next to 0).
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Post by Gwydden on Dec 4, 2016 15:32:49 GMT
Personally i'm hoping Cora's hetrosexual or Bi li. Ideally imo Vetra isn't romanceable due to the whole dextro thing. If she is other option is that Peebee is too young to be interested in relationship but given her high profile early appearance that might be just wishful thinking on my part as i've seen nothing about her i like. You'd wonder if all 3 will be romanceable since they generally don't like that unless there's a fourth unromanceable female squaddie. I'm 100% sure Cora will be heterosexual or bi. No matter what BioWare can't abandon their core audience which is heterosexual male who probably wants to romance a human. That said I'd be glad if she was bi, because I like to play as both male and female, but can never bring myself to romance guys (it just feels weird as hell to me). I have a feeling though that Cora will be heterosexual, while Jien Garson will be an RO and bisexual at that. That'd be less fortunate for my female playthroughs (unless Jien is blonde as well hehe, but chances for that are next to 0). I wouldn't dream of decrying more human love interests, but isn't there something kind of... wicked, about getting it on with your dad's boss? On second thought, I have no problem with this.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Dec 4, 2016 17:15:59 GMT
I ve always imagined Reegar older and slightly more gruff but...oh , wow *_*
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 17:24:24 GMT
I'm 100% sure Cora will be heterosexual or bi. No matter what BioWare can't abandon their core audience which is heterosexual male who probably wants to romance a human. That said I'd be glad if she was bi, because I like to play as both male and female, but can never bring myself to romance guys (it just feels weird as hell to me). I have a feeling though that Cora will be heterosexual, while Jien Garson will be an RO and bisexual at that. That'd be less fortunate for my female playthroughs (unless Jien is blonde as well hehe, but chances for that are next to 0). I wouldn't dream of decrying more human love interests, but isn't there something kind of... wicked, about getting it on with your dad's boss? On second thought, I have no problem with this. Well, if your dating pool was reduced to a couple of thousand viable options, being picky would go kinda out of the window, I guess...
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Post by Wheeljack on Dec 4, 2016 21:03:21 GMT
Kinda hoping for Mystery Man "sexy voice" Reyes (species also TBD) because that's, like, the only male character other than the krogan we've at least heard speak, so it's all I've got. Also, sexy voice. I'm also hoping Reyes might be more than simple background NPC. I'm a sucker for voices and his is something. Even if he doesn't turn out to be romanceable, I'm hoping he's an interesting character with an equally interesting back story to explore.
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Dec 5, 2016 0:13:51 GMT
You know, I'd love it if we were able to romance a fellow Pathfinder. We know there's a Pathfinder HQ on the Nexus that Ryder will have to go to during his/her journey. This is where the 2nd briefing said we will be able to converge with the other Pathfinders on our findings and share information. It sounds like we'll be meeting with them quite a bit during the story, they might even be the Mass Effect equivalent of Inquisition's advisors. So crazy thought, what if Ryder had a fraternization-type relationship with one of them? Oh my, think of the drama ! You're all supposed be professional with each other and prioritize your path-finding duties but a then fellow Pathfinder starts to get the hots for our new protagonist. Reluctantly of course . It results in a secret love-affair where they have to continue to act professional in front of others. Not only that but their responsibilities to their respective races may also challenge their relationship. The more I thought about it the more I loved the idea.
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Post by dalinne on Dec 5, 2016 11:06:59 GMT
You know, I'd love it if we were able to romance a fellow Pathfinder. We know there's a Pathfinder HQ on the Nexus that Ryder will have to go to during his/her journey. This is where the 2nd briefing said we will be able to converge with the other Pathfinders on our findings and share information. It sounds like we'll be meeting with them quite a bit during the story, they might even be the Mass Effect equivalent of Inquisition's advisors. So crazy thought, what if Ryder had a fraternization-type relationship with one of them? Oh my, think of the drama ! You're all supposed be professional with each other and prioritize your path-finding duties but a then fellow Pathfinder starts to get the hots for our new protagonist. Reluctantly of course . It results in a secret love-affair where they have to continue to act professional in front of others. Not only that but their responsibilities to their respective races may also challenge their relationship. The more I thought about it the more I loved the idea. Please, continue
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Post by Panda on Dec 5, 2016 12:01:53 GMT
Guessing games I'm hoping that we get more male squaddies than romances than it seems at the moment, it'd be suck if straight bro!Ryder had once again more options. I'm expecting Vetra to be LI, I'm quite convinced really. I'm also convinced that she will be option for sis!Ryder, but idk if she's lesbian or bi. Liam and Cora are pretty surely LI's and straight if not bi. Human LI's are must in the series and important one's (squaddies) as well. Peebee actually might not be LI. Liara was so locked on being Shepard's LI that it would be twist to have Asari as non-romantical character instead. Maybe she's too job-oriented to think of dating. .. or she's pansexual and available for both. I don't think Drack will be LI. I think it'd go too much in weird territory romance-wise. Though Turian's are pretty weird too when you thin kf of it so.. we will see. If he's LI I think he will be available to bro!ryder or both.
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