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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 22:04:13 GMT
Hmmm. Something tells me that only 4 companions will be romance options. Possibly two men and two women. I guess Peebee, Cora, Liam, and another man. 2 of them straight and 2 bisexual. : /
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 22:47:38 GMT
I read on the internet (so it must also be true that they had cut a squadmate because s/he was too similar to a past squadmate. I haven't seen the direct quote, though, so take it with a grain of salt. If it is true, then that could be the reason that there is a discrepancy with 6 or 7 squadmates. Maybe it was originally 7 and they ended up dropping it to 6. It could also mean that the remaining squadmate might not be a synthetic (everyone assumes that s/he is because the leak said there was a synthetic squaddie) since the leak predates the "cut a squaddie" stuff that happened more recently.
I also agree that we won't have a fully romanceable squad roster and I'm happy about that. I am totally cool with the LI's being limited. As long as everyone gets options, I'm good with a smaller number. I'm still just not seeing Drack as an LI. So I think that Cora (straight), Vetra (straight), Pee Bee (bisexual), & Liam (bisexual?) are the likely romanceable squaddies. The rest (another guy and a lesbian) will be NPCs. Although I'm often wrong about these things.
One thing that I'm not thrilled about is the likely continuation of the "every female squaddie is romanceable" thing. In ME, the only female squaddies that couldn't be romanced were Samara/Morinth, Kasumi, & EDI. And if you remove any with pseudo-romances, that only leaves Kasumi and EDI. Out of 8. Just seems skewed, especially when compared with the males (Wrex, Legion, Grunt, Zaeed, Mordin, etc.).
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Post by AGECCR on Dec 9, 2016 23:19:37 GMT
I just know Cora and Liam will be Li's. Peebee too (like, duh!). I also think Vetra is a good bet for Scott and possibly even Sarah. I hope there is male alien squadmate that is available too, but if not, then I hope they are one of the guys that will at least temporarily join the squad and be on the ship.
As for the division between sexuality, I'm not sure. I think the 2/2/2 ratio sounds the most likely case. I hope more could be available solely based on the characters we have and not based on meeting a quota (a la Inquisition), however that would be. At least everyone should be able to have two choices.
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Post by javeart on Dec 10, 2016 0:19:58 GMT
I read on the internet (so it must also be true that they had cut a squadmate because s/he was too similar to a past squadmate. I haven't seen the direct quote, though, so take it with a grain of salt. If it is true, then that could be the reason that there is a discrepancy with 6 or 7 squadmates. Maybe it was originally 7 and they ended up dropping it to 6. It could also mean that the remaining squadmate might not be a synthetic (everyone assumes that s/he is because the leak said there was a synthetic squaddie) since the leak predates the "cut a squaddie" stuff that happened more recently. I also agree that we won't have a fully romanceable squad roster and I'm happy about that. I am totally cool with the LI's being limited. As long as everyone gets options, I'm good with a smaller number. I'm still just not seeing Drack as an LI. So I think that Cora (straight), Vetra (straight), Pee Bee (bisexual), & Liam (bisexual?) are the likely romanceable squaddies. The rest (another guy and a lesbian) will be NPCs. Although I'm often wrong about these things. One thing that I'm not thrilled about is the likely continuation of the "every female squaddie is romanceable" thing. In ME, the only female squaddies that couldn't be romanced were Samara/Morinth, Kasumi, & EDI. And if you remove any with pseudo-romances, that only leaves Kasumi and EDI. Out of 8. Just seems skewed, especially when compared with the males (Wrex, Legion, Grunt, Zaeed, Mordin, etc.). About the number of squadmates (going with spoiler tags, just in case, though I think this is not really spoilerish, but I don't know anymore what it's ok and what not, so I'm not risking it Apparently, one squadmate was actually cut, and it seems likely that leave us with 6
Let's talk squadmates - I'm going to try and remember them all. We've got Liam and Cora, Peebee, Drack and Vetra and I think you guys have said we should expect one of the new Andromeda races represented as well. Is six squadmates a good number?
Mac Walters: [Pause] Assuming that's how many we have, I think that's a good number [laughs].
Mac, I remember you speaking to Game Informer and mentioning a squadmate that was cut in development. From the races represented I'm going to make an educated guess and say they were salarian. Can you say anything more about why he didn't make it and if we might ever see him again?
Mac Walters: You know game development is a constant series of decisions - there's always going to be some scope reductions. Because we decided to do loyalty missions that meant every squad member had their own special mission plus a significant amount of relationship dialogue. Ultimately, the only reason we chose to cut was because of that. It wasn't that we didn't like the character - I believe at the time it was just which ones were furthest along. As for whether we'd see them again in the future - it is possible. I think a lot of people like the idea for the character. But you never know - sometimes what we do is instead of coming back to it in the game he'll come back in a book or comic or something like that.
Now, something that might be more of a spoiler Ryder speaks to a character named Sam, or SAM, and I was wondering whether this is your version of EDI on the Tempest [your new Normandy]?
Fabrice Condominas: Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that SAM is ultimately not a living being - its more of an AI or robot. But it's way broader than EDI - the relationship is way different. SAM handles a number of things as well as your vessel. It is connected to you permanently and was connected to - and knew - your father, Alec. There's a very specific relationship there. It's more of a partner than EDI was - you're way closer emotionally to SAM.
So the synthetic might be SAM but doesn't look like he's squadmate I think too thar Cora is going to be straight female LI, and that at least Vetra or PB are going to be bi, the same as Liam, that it's almost certainly the only male squadmate that could be an LI. Not very thrilled with this scenario, but who knows Thinking about Walters said in the postcast, it seems like some the non-squadmate LIs might be some of the main characters in the worlds we're going to explore, that apparently are going to be quite important. Maybe one time kind of thing, or maybe we can visit from time to time and get new scenes?. Surely there will be some in the crew too and those could be more "conventional" romances because we could see them often and probably will be near us throughout the whole game. My guesses are never right anyway, so I'm not going bother trying more than this
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Post by lightdrago3 on Dec 10, 2016 4:18:37 GMT
I don't really care for the other options as long as my Male Ryder can romance Liam Though, if I had to guess... Cora - Straight PeeBee - Bisexual Veetra - Straight Liam - Bisexual Drack - Not going to happen Of course, there's still other characters up for romance, such as Reyes, but we haven't seen, much less learned, about him or anyone else to make an educated guess.
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Post by ladiesman777 on Dec 10, 2016 4:30:00 GMT
Peebee:Bi Liam:Straight Cora:Straight Drack:1 night stand Vetra:Bi Unknown other 2 alien squadies: No romance This way everyone is happy!
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Dec 10, 2016 5:34:14 GMT
I always thought Salarians were like amphibians, who mate externally. The male salamander drops a packet of sperm near the female and she puts it into her cloaca. Romantic, no? So I can totally see a Salarian romance sans sex (which they seem to view as for reproduction only) as a possibility. But players who don't want to have sexual relationships should probably have a human option as well. From the wiki and Codex: The salarians are amphibian haplo-diploid egg-layers; unfertilized eggs produce males and fertilized eggs produce females. Once a year, a salarian female will lay a clutch of dozens of eggs. Social rules prevent all but a fraction from being fertilized. As a result, 90% of the species is male.Hmm... While this couldn't take effect immediately in the new series, it would be interesting (and make a lot of sense) if those "rules" were lifted and we started to see a more even number of male and female salarians.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 10, 2016 6:03:40 GMT
From the wiki and Codex: The salarians are amphibian haplo-diploid egg-layers; unfertilized eggs produce males and fertilized eggs produce females. Once a year, a salarian female will lay a clutch of dozens of eggs. Social rules prevent all but a fraction from being fertilized. As a result, 90% of the species is male.Hmm... While this couldn't take effect immediately in the new series, it would be interesting (and make a lot of sense) if those "rules" were lifted and we started to see a more even number of male and female salarians. Well, I guess these social rules where put in place to prevent over population... so those could theoretically be suspended for a generation or two when settling a new environment, but with this mode of procreation, having a minimum of females is essential for the species survival in the long run. Besides, Salarians are a very rational species and don't put much onus on gender roles, if they even have any outside of procreation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 10:02:12 GMT
I also agree that we won't have a fully romanceable squad roster and I'm happy about that. I am totally cool with the LI's being limited. As long as everyone gets options, I'm good with a smaller number. I'm still just not seeing Drack as an LI. So I think that Cora (straight), Vetra (straight), Pee Bee (bisexual), & Liam (bisexual?) are the likely romanceable squaddies. The rest (another guy and a lesbian) will be NPCs. Although I'm often wrong about these things. Well, as long as I don't get another minor character like Steve, I'm satisfied with a gay NPC. ... I could never bring myself to enter a relationship with him because he was simply no comparison to Kaidan. If the homosexual characters are so insignificant again, I hope that at least the bisexuals are story-relevant. Please no Solas dilemma again. That's the only thing I'm asking for... I don't even care if I get less options than straight characters. But please no insignificant NPC's and especially no Carth syndrome guy again. ps: I bet that this one black bald-headed guy from the promo will be gay. He reminds me of Steve.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 10, 2016 18:24:42 GMT
should there be homo and bi romance options that outright violate their gender roles?
I'm talking about a pure Butch Lesbian that Sarah can romance.
Or a girly man for Scott.
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Post by Biodron on Dec 10, 2016 18:41:16 GMT
No pls
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Post by Otter on Dec 10, 2016 19:00:13 GMT
Not really. Well-written characters tend to be better off when they neither really conform to nor outright reject stereotypes. Also, when we're dealing with aliens, gender roles go out the window. What's a butch lesbian turian look like when turian culture expects everyone to be disciplined, practical, and kick ass? What's a camp gay salarian look like when salarian women always (literally, rather than stereotypically) politicians and family matriarchs?
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 10, 2016 19:17:08 GMT
We'd like to hear your thoughts on this if you will. Not really. Well-written characters tend to be better off when they neither really conform to nor outright reject stereotypes. Also, when we're dealing with aliens, gender roles go out the window. What's a butch lesbian turian look like when turian culture expects everyone to be disciplined, practical, and kick ass? What's a camp gay salarian look like when salarian women always (literally, rather than stereotypically) politicians and family matriarchs? Are you suggesting Turians tend to be masculine. oooooo that's racist
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 10:19:28 GMT
Hmmm. Something tells me that only 4 companions will be romance options. Possibly two men and two women. I guess Peebee, Cora, Liam, and another man. 2 of them straight and 2 bisexual. : / I'm convinced all of the companions will be romancable. Reason? There are 'only' 6 of them ( maybe 7, if Andromedian squaddie becomes confirmed). This is going to be a huge game, and with lesser amount of squaddies to pick for romance Bioware has more effort that can be put into romance arc design for particular squaddie AND since that romance might be spanning across the entire game, they must provide an interesting LI to develop interesting relationship with from start ot the end of ME:A. For a game where they tweet about "putting hundreds of hours into" it would be cool to have serious relationship take a long but steady pace to develop, unlike previous games where things often were happening too fast and just after few conversations even the relationships tagged as 'serious' would jump to 'we'll bang, ok?' phase.
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Post by ulmanicator on Dec 11, 2016 11:42:59 GMT
Peebee:Bi Liam:Straight Cora:Straight Drack:1 night stand Vetra:Bi Unknown other 2 alien squadies: No romance This way everyone is happy! No way everyone will be happy if andromeda native squadies aren't romancable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 15:23:30 GMT
Hmmm. Something tells me that only 4 companions will be romance options. Possibly two men and two women. I guess Peebee, Cora, Liam, and another man. 2 of them straight and 2 bisexual. : / I'm convinced all of the companions will be romancable. Reason? There are 'only' 6 of them ( maybe 7, if Andromedian squaddie becomes confirmed). This is going to be a huge game, and with lesser amount of squaddies to pick for romance Bioware has more effort that can be put into romance arc design for particular squaddie AND since that romance might be spanning across the entire game, they must provide an interesting LI to develop interesting relationship with from start ot the end of ME:A. For a game where they tweet about "putting hundreds of hours into" it would be cool to have serious relationship take a long but steady pace to develop, unlike previous games where things often were happening too fast and just after few conversations even the relationships tagged as 'serious' would jump to 'we'll bang, ok?' phase. That would be nice if all companions were romance options. But many people don't like this idea. So I don't know if Bioware would actually do that. But I would be all for it. And yes, I also think that the pace of the romances in earlier games had developed too fast. This was often not very authentic. Personally, I would also find it nice if there were several flirting options, not just one. After all, there are also different flirt types of people. Some like flirting excessively and talking about sexual things. Others are more shy. I would like to determine for myself what kind of person my Ryder is when it comes to love affairs.
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Post by normandy on Dec 11, 2016 16:32:43 GMT
"By my count, if you include squad, crew, and light romances, we have more romances than we've ever had before. And like I said, the relationships are more in depth than we've had before." - Walters from this interviewWe had 10 LIs in ME3, so...
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Post by fialka on Dec 11, 2016 16:39:54 GMT
I don't think they'll make all the squadmates romanceable. In fact, I hope they don't. I much prefer the approach of "I have a great idea for a romance with this character" vs. forcing a romance arc on a squadmate just because it fills a quota or whatever. Or worse, trying to write a character people would want to romance, instead of just writing a good character. Plus, it feels kind of contrived to me to have every squadmate potentially fall for you, barring gender preference. Especially with how romance has been handled in the trilogy so far. There were times I felt like dodging the romantic intentions of my squad (and sometimes even my own PC) was a mini-game in itself. And that's with only some being available. Maybe some people like that sort of thing, I don't know... I found it a little hilarious, and not in a good way.
There's supposed to be some romances with crew members and important NPCs on the Nexus and such. I have a feeling that may be where a good portion of our potential options might lie. And since those characters will supposedly have more dialogue than even our actual squadmates in the trilogy did, I'm alright with that. My hope is that they'll be handled much like the adviser romances in Inquisition were. Though I was skeptical about those at first, I never felt like I was missing out on anything by romancing Cullen versus someone from my party. I imagine people who went for Josephine felt the same. Though I've read complaints about the nature of her romance not being to their tastes, I don't think I've seen anyone criticize the actual scope of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 17:10:25 GMT
"By my count, if you include squad, crew, and light romances, we have more romances than we've ever had before. And like I said, the relationships are more in depth than we've had before." - Walters from this interviewWe had 10 LIs in ME3, so... haha yes, but I think they only count Liara, Ash and Kaidan in ME3, not the continued romances. ^^ I think they compare Andromeda with Mass Effect 2, where we had six full romance options.
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Post by faerlyte on Dec 11, 2016 23:15:23 GMT
Why on earth should Drack not be an option? I think they've learned from the previous games (GARRUS) that we're okay and even insist on romancing our favorite aliens. I'll be really pissed if we regress back to 'here's your token human male option, and here are a bunch of Asari because gender doesn't mean anything!' Well it does to me and I want male options, preferably male alien options, and maybe even a male turian on the ship or SOMETHING because turians are the shiit-take mushrooms.
I'll take another species of alien, but don't you be giving me a bunch of human male options and that's it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 2:08:38 GMT
^ Yup, especially if you can think of Krogans as a Qunari from Dragon Age games (well kinda ) which are also big, brute and with love for violence (not all of them ofc, but most), yet Iron Bull in DAI was romance option and he was even bi.. So who knows. I personally don't care for alien romances, but more options is always cool for somebody who wants more ''diversity''
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Post by ladiesman777 on Dec 12, 2016 2:24:55 GMT
Peebee:Bi Liam:Straight Cora:Straight Drack:1 night stand Vetra:Bi Unknown other 2 alien squadies: No romance This way everyone is happy! No way everyone will be happy if andromeda native squadies aren't romancable. Well maybe if they make it into a new trilogy you can romance the 2 unknown squaddies in the sequel. Like how they did Garrus n Tali not being romanceable in ME1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 7:30:31 GMT
No way everyone will be happy if andromeda native squadies aren't romancable. Well maybe if they make it into a new trilogy you can romance the 2 unknown squaddies in the sequel. Like how they did Garrus n Tali not being romanceable in ME1 He, yeah. It was during the times "who would even want to romance an alien!?" ME1... we came a long way forward from there.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 12, 2016 11:51:18 GMT
Wouldn't mind Sloane being a romance option, although she seems like she'd prefer more Renegade-aligned characters. Of course, might make it all the worthwhile trying to hook up with her as a Paragon.
Rather enjoyed that sort of dynamic between Aria and a Paragon Shepard in the original trilogy, where you saw the grudging respect that developed between the two. Despite clashing over their different approaches, they did end up working together extremely well, especially in the Omega DLC.
Who doesn't love the odd friendship or romance with someone who may possibly be a bad guy?
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