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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Dec 10, 2016 16:44:42 GMT
Of course!, Why the hell not?!, Humanity #1 baby!!.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 10, 2016 17:28:25 GMT
Eh, I prefer that the Kett not be a totally uniform species that are all enemies with somehow no difference in opinions or factions.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 10, 2016 21:37:01 GMT
It almost seems off-topic to mention the genuine dilemma we are faced with in this 'serious' thread: As 'new arrivals', are we entitled to: - Steal
- Exploit resources
- Kill
To establish our new home? I hope there will be many juicy moral choices, but genocide would not be top of my list... This is my interesting point/ worry as well. I do not really want to be conquerors but then the age of exploration on this planet was part and parcel with conflict between races/ nations. But still I suspect BioWare will have the Kett being the agressors. IE the moral equivalent of new people on the block getting their house egged. They may even stage an attack on the Nexus very early on. As to the question itself...I doubt it.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Dec 10, 2016 22:00:28 GMT
Clearly we need to bring freedom to Andromeda.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 10, 2016 22:08:43 GMT
Clearly we need to bring freedom to Andromeda. I really do not want to be Woodrow Wilson in space.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 10, 2016 22:09:44 GMT
We all know damn well Bioware won't go there. They are interested in telling their story and we get to roleplay within the confines of that. They want to paint humanity as the morally superior species, and that's hard to do if if you're slaughtering entire species. Besides Bioware just isn't good at handling "morally grey" or highly controversial material. They're very risk averse. Besides they've already stated we're in Andromeda as explorers, not conquerors. And really it would be hard to conquer a hundred solar system area of a galaxy with a few hundred thousand members of the various races unless the races we encounter are technologically challenged. So no, sorry, you won't be seeing any subjugation/annihilation of species in MEA. To be fair the western powers like england did that ALOT in the days of the british empire and the spanish did it in mexico. Just use their tactics side with one and use them to destroy the rest or weaken them to the point you can just walk over and plant a flag on a mountain of dead bodies. Cortez had three hundred people and took over mexico. He used the people who hated the aztecs to fight them and one. The british did this in india as well and so on and so on.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 10, 2016 22:11:25 GMT
Clearly we need to bring freedom to Andromeda. I really do not want to be Woodrow Wilson in space. Wilson was during WW1. I think you mean teddy rosevelt or anyone from 1944 on in american politics.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 10, 2016 22:23:04 GMT
I really do not want to be Woodrow Wilson in space. Wilson was during WW1. I think you mean teddy rosevelt or anyone from 1944 on in american politics. “The World Must Be Made Safe for Democracy” - Woodrow Wilson. Mind you I wanted to use a more contemporary example but such an example may have stepped on more toes then a historical one. Though you are right, TR was also quite bad in this regard.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 10, 2016 22:29:16 GMT
I really do not want to be Woodrow Wilson in space. Wilson was during WW1. I think you mean teddy rosevelt or anyone from 1944 on in american politics. Possibly you're referring to Franklin Roosevelt? Teddy was the 26th president, Wilson was the 28th. Franklin led us into WW2 and died in 1945.
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Post by goishen on Dec 10, 2016 22:56:05 GMT
BioWare have allowed you to be an ass in the past (ass or badass as you prefer: 'renegade') but not outright evil. It will be interesting to see how far the envelope extends. I'd say "never outright evil on a large scale" I'd say that there's a lot of options in Bioware games that are outright evil, even if they don't have the impact of wiping out a race just to establish your domininance. Always keeping in mind that there's always (att least some) grey areas in what it's evil and what it's not, of course, there's a lot of things that I can only bring myself to do in an evil pt, and even so there's still some that I just can't do, period. I'd say you're both wrong. With the latest expansion of SWTOR, my inquisitor actually feels evil again. Killing everything that hasn't sworn loyalty to me or has betrayed me. In fact, the only one I like is Lana. And the only reason that I like her is because she approves when I make an evil decision.
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Post by Natashina on Dec 11, 2016 0:13:31 GMT
This is the look on my face right now: Unless the game forces me, there is no reason to wipe out another race. Again. If they are trying to kill off all of the people on the Nexus, then respond in kind. Not before.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 11, 2016 0:16:43 GMT
We all know damn well Bioware won't go there. They are interested in telling their story and we get to roleplay within the confines of that. They want to paint humanity as the morally superior species, and that's hard to do if if you're slaughtering entire species. Besides Bioware just isn't good at handling "morally grey" or highly controversial material. They're very risk averse. Besides they've already stated we're in Andromeda as explorers, not conquerors. And really it would be hard to conquer a hundred solar system area of a galaxy with a few hundred thousand members of the various races unless the races we encounter are technologically challenged. So no, sorry, you won't be seeing any subjugation/annihilation of species in MEA. To be fair the western powers like england did that ALOT in the days of the british empire and the spanish did it in mexico. Just use their tactics side with one and use them to destroy the rest or weaken them to the point you can just walk over and plant a flag on a mountain of dead bodies. Cortez had three hundred people and took over mexico. He used the people who hated the aztecs to fight them and one. The british did this in india as well and so on and so on. That's why I qualified the statement with "technologically challenged." If Cortez had landed in the New World to find a culture as advanced as his own, it would have been genocide alright...on he and his men. So I think the Khet or whoever else is lurking in Andromeda would need to be little more advanced than what humanity currently is for the MW species to dominate comparably. Regardless, we know Bio isn't going to touch genocide unless it's being done by the "bad aliens."
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Post by colfoley on Dec 11, 2016 0:19:44 GMT
To be fair the western powers like england did that ALOT in the days of the british empire and the spanish did it in mexico. Just use their tactics side with one and use them to destroy the rest or weaken them to the point you can just walk over and plant a flag on a mountain of dead bodies. Cortez had three hundred people and took over mexico. He used the people who hated the aztecs to fight them and one. The british did this in india as well and so on and so on. That's why I qualified the statement with "technologically challenged." If Cortez had landed in the New World to find a culture as advanced as his own, it would have been genocide alright...on he and his men. So I think the Khet or whoever else is lurking in Andromeda would need to be little more advanced than what humanity currently is for the MW species to dominate comparably. Regardless, we know Bio isn't going to touch genocide unless it's being done by the "bad aliens." Given their gung hoedness about being able to commit genocide, or at the least mass murder, in the past I do not see how one can claim they 'know' such a thing. Especially when, as has been pointed out, some of the people working on ME A worked on the trilogy and were making those very same descisions.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Dec 11, 2016 1:25:25 GMT
Only a matter of time before Dutch the troll showed up. Once I saw Not-Brevnau I knew the floodgates were opened.
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Post by Verro on Dec 11, 2016 1:29:23 GMT
It almost seems off-topic to mention the genuine dilemma we are faced with in this 'serious' thread: As 'new arrivals', are we entitled to:
[/b][li] Steal[/li][li] Exploit resources[/li][li] Kill[/li][/ul] To establish our new home? I hope there will be many juicy moral choices, but genocide would not be top of my list... [/quote]This depends upon my access to bullets.
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Post by Xerxes52 on Dec 11, 2016 5:16:37 GMT
I personally doubt we'd be committing full on genocide (or would xenocide be the proper term?) in ME:A.
I think that if these Kett are not a monolithic bloc of Always Chaotic Evil aliens, then we'll probably just focus on killing the hostile ones.
However, if our species is faced with an existential threat, then some measures that are normally unthinkable are put on the table.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 11, 2016 5:28:03 GMT
Only if before nuking their homeworld from orbit while wearing sunglasses you get to ironically paraphrase Oppenheimer the creator of the first A-bomb who famously proclaimed "now i have become death... the destroyer of worlds" (bhagavad gita reference) essentially proving he was correct in his assertion. Quoting Ripley would be just as appropriate, given the sci-fi setting; "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 9:41:22 GMT
Nah, we won't have to do it... the pet pyjak we're bringing along is going to wipe out all other life in the Andromeda galaxy eventually anyways. Apparently, humanity just haven't learned their lesson about the risks posed by introducing non-native species into a fragile ecosystem.
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Post by Fox News on Dec 11, 2016 11:32:53 GMT
Absolutely. Humanity first.
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Post by Fox News on Dec 11, 2016 11:34:18 GMT
Clearly we need to bring freedom to Andromeda. Darn right.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 11, 2016 13:11:59 GMT
By 2016 BioWare and under Mac Walters? Not happening... Under Walters we had the options to annihilate geth ⎌ and quarians, to once again kill the rachni for good, and again kill all geth and EDI in Destroy. I don't see why Walters would be a problem for that. Because he said the game will have a more "positive" and "fun" mood.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2016 14:06:04 GMT
Under Walters we had the options to annihilate geth ⎌ and quarians, to once again kill the rachni for good, and again kill all geth and EDI in Destroy. I don't see why Walters would be a problem for that. Because he said the game will have a more "positive" and "fun" mood. That is something related strictly to Andromeda though. It doesn't mean that in general a game under Walters wouldn't have genocide options. Beside, the game being more 'fun' or 'positive' doesn't mean we might not have tragic moments.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 11, 2016 15:18:22 GMT
Not happening. For the reasons stated above. Also, they are planning more games in this series and don't want to come up with a new primary enemy faction for each game.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Dec 11, 2016 19:39:22 GMT
Khan wiped out the Kwarezm Empire after they murdered one Mongol diplomat. If the Khet done the same thing, it's not going to end well for them.
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