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Post by jackievakarian on Dec 11, 2016 19:51:12 GMT
Clearly we need to bring freedom to Andromeda. Darn right. Hello there Cerberus.
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Post by jackievakarian on Dec 11, 2016 19:57:19 GMT
This is honestly one of my only complaints about Mass Effect: Andromeda. I don't want to be the space-version of Christopher Columbus. I hella hate Christopher Columbus for being a bloodthirsty monster and slaver. That's not to say that the Native Americans were absolutely perfect tree hugger angels who did nothing wrong and didn't get into wars with each other or massively kill of wildlife and destroy much of their environment, but they had a right to autonomy and not being fucked with.
I really like that Bioware will allow us to sympathize and empathize with the Kett, and won't just paint them as stereotypical savages or complete monsters, because I can already smell hints of imperialism and white man's burden or the human's burden, to uplift seemingly lesser races or species because they are obviously savages are we are heroes and perfect angels.
But that's not to say that I will be a complete pacifist. If the Kett refuse to cooperate or dialogue or empathize with us and instead attack us unprovoked, then I will definitely wage war on them.
Its called nuance.
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Post by bizantura on Dec 11, 2016 20:10:32 GMT
If must be : I rather have imperialism and one world order behavior in games than in the real world.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 11, 2016 20:37:21 GMT
Khan wiped out the Kwarezm Empire after they murdered one Mongol diplomat. If the Khet done the same thing, it's not going to end well for them. Easy misunderstanding to make...
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 11, 2016 21:05:07 GMT
Wilson was during WW1. I think you mean teddy rosevelt or anyone from 1944 on in american politics. “The World Must Be Made Safe for Democracy” - Woodrow Wilson. Mind you I wanted to use a more contemporary example but such an example may have stepped on more toes then a historical one. Though you are right, TR was also quite bad in this regard. Ah I thought you were trying to say the "we must invade random countries to bring democracy". Woodrow wilson was WW1 so it was a justified war on america's part. The topic is on genocide so A more accurate one would be we must subjacate them so we can teach them how to be proper.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 11, 2016 21:07:33 GMT
This is honestly one of my only complaints about Mass Effect: Andromeda. I don't want to be the space-version of Christopher Columbus. I hella hate Christopher Columbus for being a bloodthirsty monster and slaver. That's not to say that the Native Americans were absolutely perfect tree hugger angels who did nothing wrong and didn't get into wars with each other or massively kill of wildlife and destroy much of their environment, but they had a right to autonomy and not being fucked with. I really like that Bioware will allow us to sympathize and empathize with the Kett, and won't just paint them as stereotypical savages or complete monsters, because I can already smell hints of imperialism and white man's burden or the human's burden, to uplift seemingly lesser races or species because they are obviously savages are we are heroes and perfect angels. But that's not to say that I will be a complete pacifist. If the Kett refuse to cooperate or dialogue or empathize with us and instead attack us unprovoked, then I will definitely wage war on them. Its called nuance. To be fair columbus was also a child rapist and played a big part in the genocide of the people who originally lived in what is now haiti and the dominican republic.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 11, 2016 21:10:20 GMT
Wilson was during WW1. I think you mean teddy rosevelt or anyone from 1944 on in american politics. Possibly you're referring to Franklin Roosevelt? Teddy was the 26th president, Wilson was the 28th. Franklin led us into WW2 and died in 1945. No teddy roosevelt was big on imperilism and was a big advocate of the spanish american war. When I said 1944 on in american politics. I meant our place of invasion and proxy wars we have had since WW2. Sorry if I didn't explain it right
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 11, 2016 21:15:44 GMT
Khan wiped out the Kwarezm Empire after they murdered one Mongol diplomat. If the Khet done the same thing, it's not going to end well for them. Actually they wiped out an entire diplomatic caravan that was bringing them alot of gold. Then when he sent another caravan they did the same. Still doesn't justify it all but it wasn't just a one time thing
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 12, 2016 6:22:34 GMT
Well, there is a disturbing theory about how evil the opposition are... Somehow, I had failed to notice until now-- "that's no moon, that's a space station." Perhaps that Death Star is the implement of Dutch's genocide? I think we will be more concerned with avoiding extinction than bringing extinction, in this story.
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Post by vit246 on Dec 12, 2016 6:30:41 GMT
This thread...it makes me feel like I'm home again at the Bioware Forum.
Also, yes genocide. I'm tired of being a goody two-shoes.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 12, 2016 11:24:11 GMT
This is honestly one of my only complaints about Mass Effect: Andromeda. I don't want to be the space-version of Christopher Columbus. I hella hate Christopher Columbus for being a bloodthirsty monster and slaver. That's not to say that the Native Americans were absolutely perfect tree hugger angels who did nothing wrong and didn't get into wars with each other or massively kill of wildlife and destroy much of their environment, but they had a right to autonomy and not being fucked with. I really like that Bioware will allow us to sympathize and empathize with the Kett, and won't just paint them as stereotypical savages or complete monsters, because I can already smell hints of imperialism and white man's burden or the human's burden, to uplift seemingly lesser races or species because they are obviously savages are we are heroes and perfect angels. Even better - let us sympathize and empathize with Kett, portrait them as patriots and defenders of their state and then... let us kill them. For nothing good is ever comes from Dark Space. Imagine being stuck under Columbus' command with no way back. Who deserves to live more, hundred of thousands MWers or a million of Kett? This is what I'd call "morally grey". Not like there will actually be such choice in-game though. Some bad guys, some good guys and lots of adventures, and that's about it.
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Post by Serza on Dec 12, 2016 12:08:23 GMT
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Post by Vall on Dec 12, 2016 12:37:55 GMT
Genocide? Really? ...I will never understand some people
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Post by nedstarkshead on Dec 12, 2016 14:26:57 GMT
there was no genocide in ME3, but if its necessary in MEA, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I distinctly remember wiping out a certain synthetic race at the end of ME3, plus failing to intervene/stop the extinction of Rachni.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 12, 2016 14:57:47 GMT
I distinctly remember wiping out a certain synthetic race at the end of ME3, plus failing to intervene/stop the extinction of Rachni. I let the quarians destroy the things. The rachni I don't worry about.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Dec 13, 2016 4:55:58 GMT
I say forcefully deport them onto poor 'reservation planets' instead.
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Post by Lavochkin on Dec 13, 2016 5:38:23 GMT
Meh, Samus Aran wipes out entire alien races and blows up planets all the time, this is no biggie to any longtime Metroid fan.
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Post by derrame on Dec 13, 2016 5:45:08 GMT
are the kett the enemy?
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 13, 2016 6:04:29 GMT
That's actually a pretty good question. Yes, it seems so. We show up in their corner of Andromeda, and they don't appreciate our intrusion. You can see Ryder fighting kett in the gameplay trailer, in addition to some more familiar Milky Way enemies. No one can say whether the kett will always be our enemies. After all, humans once considered turians their enemies.
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Post by jediguardian on Dec 13, 2016 6:08:43 GMT
No Thank. I am not EVIL enough.
Even Kett is a threat, I don't think the entire race will feel the same. For the worst is, Destroy Kett's force and dominate the rest (If they have group that not violent on us, I will let them govern instead). But I prefer use diplomacy first.
I don't think all of star in Helius have civilize, It must have some star that we can establish without cause conflict to Native People.
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Post by armass81 on Dec 13, 2016 11:47:55 GMT
Im more intrested in what drives us into conflict with the kett.
Is it simply that they preceive us as invaders on their territory? Are they imperialistic, religious fanatics(given the names annointed, chosen), xenophobic? Or are they simply fighting for survival in a hostile environment, or robbing as many remnant sites as possible? How do they treat other native andromedan races? With Indifference or distain, or as slaves?
Commiting genocide, i dont see that as possible, remember, that even if we count all the milky way races that come to andromeda, we still only number maybe in a little obove a million, and thats a generous estimation. Native andromedans could have populations billions strong. Were a small band in a new and hostile territory, pushing others around and antagonizing is not a wise course of action.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 13, 2016 12:17:27 GMT
No Thank. I am not EVIL enough. Even Kett is a threat, I don't think the entire race will feel the same. For the worst is, Destroy Kett's force and dominate the rest (If they have group that not violent on us, I will let them govern instead). But I prefer use diplomacy first. I don't think all of star in Helius have civilize, It must have some star that we can establish without cause conflict to Native People. yeah Ionly fight when I'm not presented with any other option normally I prefer to be as diplomatic as possible.
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Post by nedstarkshead on Dec 15, 2016 11:39:22 GMT
'The organic hordes rally, refusing to recognize our supremacy. They struggle in vain, trusting in numbers to stall our advance'
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 15, 2016 15:00:15 GMT
Semi-Serious post incoming:Don't be ridiculous, BioWare isn't going to let us kill the Khet off. Especially not after spending all that time and effort on their faces to make them more human-like and therefore empathetic. Now those non-human aliens in Andromeda (provided there are any)? Open season on them. Judging from previous games we will be allowed to: March into a nest of this one species and proceed to kill all of their young and then make jokes about how they remind us of spiders and should be killed with fire, or how their home worlds should be nuked from orbit.
Doom an entire species of non-human aliens to extinction off camera based on the actions of a single member of their number we didn't like and then blame it all on them.
Etc.
Don't worry, I'm sure we'll be able to kill off plenty 'alien' species based solely on their audacity of being "different" from us.
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