Trans characters in Mass Effect Andromeda

I get your meaning. I figure the BioWare writers are going to write whomever and whatever they feel like. I think the fans of any given medium tend to give themselves more credit for influencing writers than they deserve. If they want to include more LGBT+ characters, great, cool. Variety is the spice of life and all of that. If they want more guys that are straight and white with model looks, awesome. I can make some requests but I don't want them to feel forced to write anything. Whether or not they have been "forced" to write more LGBT+ due to some sort of all-encompassing liberal "agenda" is apparently a huge subjective of contention.  It's one that I personally don't agree with but the PoV exists.  <shrug>

"Ruh-roh!" I think we are married to the same man (sans the long hair and football). 

Why not comment on the rest? Short answer: I actually didn't have time to respond to all of it. Also, typically when people post this sort of thing it's because they want their opinion heard. Full stop. Not because they actually care about the response. Since you seem to, here goes... I'll put the parts from your original post in bold, and then respond.

Body dysmorphia is a mental condition. I imagine that in the future we would have some kind of cure for this so that people can escape the torment of thinking they're something they're not.

Although there's certainly outliers (as there are scientists who say they don't believe in climate change if you look hard enough), for the most part there's a consensus among the psychology/psychiatry community that attempting to 'cure' gender dysmorphia through therapy not only does not work, but negatively impacts those individuals far beyond their original condition ever did. They end up feeling even more depressed, and even worse about themselves than before. The so-called success stories tend to end with those people suffering from deep depression the rest of their lives, or, in extreme cases, committing suicide. On the other hand, physically becoming the gender they identify with, or at least being able to live as that gender if they can't/don't want to undergo medical treatment, makes them happier. And, since this particular condition really has no negative impact on society (vs. a mentally ill person prone to violence), what's the harm? I mentioned the concept of 'cure the gay away' because I see it as similar. It doesn't work, it only makes the 'curee' feel worse, and their being gay isn't hurting anyone. So why not just let it be?

Krem. Ugh. Krem is a woman. What is the point of all the male pronouns? How are men and women treated differently in Dragon Age anyway? Such pointless foolishness. She has tits and bleeds monthly. No man does that. She is simply pretending. Why encourage her behavior by going along with it?

As someone else explained, men and women are treated differently in Tevinter, and that was an issue. As a woman, Krem couldn't rise in the military's ranks, and couldn't support 'her' family. But gender identity is about more than just what tasks society deems acceptable for you to carry out.  And gender identity is a lot more complex than biological functions. I'm a woman, but am unable, for health reasons, to get pregnant or carry a baby to term. Does that make me less of a woman? I also have Asperger's and brain scans show that autistic women's brain activity more closely resembles that of non-autistic men than women. So even my brain patterns likely resemble those of a man's. So, again, am I less of a woman? I 'have tits and bleed monthly.' I could also count the number of female friends I've had in my life on one hand because I have a hard time relating to them. When someone asks me to describe my gender identity, I can honestly say 'I don't have one.' I don't feel female or male. Had I been born male, but with everything else about me unchanged, I'd be cool with that too. But I was born female, and like female clothing and makeup and all that other fun stuff, so for the sake of convenience we'll call me a girl. My psychologist assures me that as long as I'm happy with that, it's fine. Gender just isn't that simple. And as far as 'pretending' goes - it goes way deeper than that. Pretending suggests it's just some costume you can take off. Maybe for a professional drag queen, it can be, where once the wig and make-up come off, she's a he again. That's not what Krem is. Stick him in a dress and he's not going to feel anymore female than you would.

People that suffer from this condition need psychological treatment. Not surgery. Post op regret is a real thing. Google it.

Which is why a really good psychologist being there before, during, and after a transition is really important. And while post-op regret might be a real thing, lifelong depression and suicide are also a real thing among transpeople too. Especially when they feel like they can't live as the gender they identify with. And again, if you genuinely feel compassion toward people and worry for their welfare, most (all?) transgender people will tell you how painful it is to not be accepted. Whether it's by their friends and family, or some stranger who insists on calling them by the wrong pronoun.

What would surgery accomplish anyway? Going under the knife to resemble something doesn't turn you into it.
So... children born with deformities shouldn't undergo plastic surgery either? I mean, they're still deformed, right? They were born that way. Going under the knife doesn't change that. If nature decides to make you with a cleft lip, you should just deal with that.

Edit: ...and typos fixed. It actually wasn't that bad

I'm one of them. Like I said many pages ago, a character's genitals/gender/orientation/color/whatever is completely irrelevant to me as long as that character doesn't exist to be the writer's mouthpiece about social issues, or kowtow to any demographic. Let the character be defined by their substance, not their identity.

What possible reason could someone have to say that some people cant get married and some cant???

Some people are weird and make no sense

I'd also like to point out that we should be careful not too easily fall into this false dichotomy between people that would like more lgbt characters or less, between those who want more diversity or less. No need to see immediately the worst.

It's not because you complain about the writting, that you are not for diversity ( you can agree or not, but as long as your respect the poster ). I've seen that kind of tactics a bit too much in some posts. I do not think that Krem was that well written in some parts, I'm myself pro diversity and yet I think it could have been better handled, I think there are some fair critics. The same for the personal quest of Dorian. Let's not take into hostage the debate.

I do not consider racists those who think that marvel handle very badly the diversity. It's not because some think that Jimmy Olsen should remain white, that omg they want less diversity. No, It's actually a fair critic to me, Jimmy Olsen in Superman is irish, we should respect the lore. Don't see why that changed with supergirl. Whether we agree or not, this is a reasonable thought. Also, not very fond of replacing a white guy by a black guy, just because you have no idea where to put a black actor. This is very lame. At this point, no need to put one. I'd rather have a black character with a true role than what was done to be honest.

@ evamitchelle : Thanks, I was in hurry, didn't check my post.

So far I can see that one reason people are saying that a Transsexual person don't fit in ME-universe is that there is no reason for them to speak of it therefore there is no way to know that they are transsexual.

Well, there is at least ONE way, make a LI transexual. The problem is then gone, because then that person would like to tell the MC that they are transexual when they start getting feelings for each other.

the problem is all the people that will say that they have been "forced" to romance an transperson. But that is not the problem I am solving.

That feeling when you write a 1000 word essay to reply to an Internet forum topic and then delete the entire thing because you realise changing people's minds is not your job and you should be having fun on your birthday not arguing with the "alt-right" Internet.
Yes it's my birthday  and I'm a little drunk.

luzarius, some interesting ideas in your last post.

You're pointing out the inconsistent treatment from ME1 to ME3 and I think you're right to call it out.
Where I'd differ is that whilst you are treating the standard of ME (1) as a level of artistic integrity to follow (because that was the standard the game set),
I would see ME (1) as a missed opportunity compared to later iterations.

But hang on I might hear you ask, that would show up earlier ME installments as having gotten it wrong and it means later games are retconning the vision of the series?
Yes, I think they are, but for the sake of allowing people to have choices, that's a retcon worth making.

You might say it isn't for reasons of artistic integrity.
I'd argue the artistic integrity on ME (1) wasn't ready because a social journey in gaming was still underway, and a journey that needed to happen to allow everyone to enjoy the game.

TL;DR

The model evolved through the series.
Someone highly focused on consistency might hate that, the way that Qunari grew horns after DAO in Dragon Age (and Klingons grew bumpy heads) but there it is.

Assessments of quality will vary, but you have to start somewhere.
To those who say 'don't do it at all if you can't do it well', I would say:
'you don't know how good it is until you've done it, so do it'...

So you believe that the only REAL WOMEN are those that are "literally a tall, buxom blonde" and the other are what, fakes?

And we are back to the point that YOU (or anybody else) think you know what is ugly and what is beautiful. Isn't it the creators that decide that? You know, from their "heart and soul".
And I'm don't even going to discuss the fact that you see Transsexuals as a joke.

And for all your talk about being a person that is "highly skilled" at using logic, you don't seem to be able to use it very well.

Happy birthday, mrjack!  You've never looked so young and handsome! 

If you want to sell transgenders to mainstream then you're going to need extremely beautiful transgenders to sell it. I understand tactics & strategy. You liberals don't seem to have this way of thinking. I could get transgenderism to be accepted by mainstream, but my methods would be extremely shallow. They would work though. My methods would get the job done.
I want the game to succeed. Ugly doesn't help games succeed. Putting in a normal transgender person who still looks like a man trying to dress as a woman would be EXTREMELY distracting & unfortunately disturbing. I'm being honest here man.

Transgenders must be held to the same beautiful standards used by Hollywood, ACCEPT THIS.

Dude, look at this from a FANTASY point of view. What is a transsexual fantasy? You did not answer this question. It's for a guy who is a man to become a woman or vice versa. PUT THAT FANTASY INTO THE GAME. The fantasy of being an extremely attractive transgender who is desired by straight men.

I would want it to have a serious yet harmless comical tone.  It would break the ice.


My arguments are rooted in a logic that could get transgenders to become mainstream in gaming. Give me a better way to introduce transgenders that would be accepted by mainstream?

I can predict your counter argument based upon what you've already written. You're going to say that it's not even about selling transgenders to mainstream. I'm telling you IT IS, you need mainstream to buy the game.  The more copies they sell, the more $$$ they get to make future games with more transgender content.